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Re: what did you do with your fazer today ?
« Reply #8625 on: 08 May 2021, 08:55:20 pm »
My tyres are old before they are worn as I don't do enough miles so this time my research lead me to the softest I could find which were Mezler z7 RR
Trouble is its impossible to find a manufacturer that says their tyres wear down quick.  :lol   
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« Reply #8626 on: 09 May 2021, 11:25:46 am »
If the tyre is more than 5 years old, don't use it!

Why not? 

The make and then condition of a tyre are far more important than just age as a factor not you use it.  UK law as of Feb 21 tyres more than 10yrs old can't be used on the front steered axles of HGVs, buses, coaches or all single wheels fitted to a minibus (9 to 16 passenger seats).

This doesn't apply to cars or bikes etc, this has all come about due to the market being flooded with cheap/crap Far East budget tyres.  They're cheap for a reason, the compounds they use are unstable and will be effected by atmospheric conditions alone, UV etc even when just stored.  They either split or go hard, so hard they no longer grip although the tyre looks to be in good condition. 

Yes most tyre manufactures and some bigger tyre fitting companies Kwik Fit for one :rolleyes will advise not more than 5, why to sell more tyres!  I've just had tyres replaced for a customer, that were dated 02 fitted to a GSX-R1000, they were fine, in all respects (dry & wet) just worn to legal limit. The new tyres fitted ae date 15, tyres can be in the system for over 5yrs before they're fitted, especially bikes tyres and not so common sizes of other tyres, hence why the government limit is 10yrs, which allows for that.         

If this tyre is 20yrs old, but if made by a quality brand, stored properly and unused, the condition of the tyre is the most important factor not it's age.           


The reason behind this legislation for HGV's, PSV's is quite simple. When the tyres used on these vehicles get to (or below) the legal tread depth, they are "re-cut" usually in the owners own workshop, with no other inspection to the condition of the carcass.
It's straightforward really - rubber degrades (you wouldn't want to ride on a 20 year old Durex would you?  :eek [size=78%] ). [/size]
In the aviation industry, there are regulations up the ying yang for the storage of the little beasts. Maybe the same should be applied to bike tyres as well.
Personally, I change mine, irrespective of wear, every two years at the very most. Takes into account the delay in getting from the mould to the rim.

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« Reply #8627 on: 09 May 2021, 12:15:29 pm »

Personally, I change mine, irrespective of wear, every two years at the very most. Takes into account the delay in getting from the mould to the rim.
Flippin Eck. That's a bit extreme. And you don't need to "take into account" any time difference as its written on the trye.
« Last Edit: 09 May 2021, 12:53:27 pm by fazersharp »
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« Reply #8628 on: 09 May 2021, 12:57:25 pm »
and ask my suppliers to ensure that the date stamp is either the current year or the previous year.
I made that mistake with the last ones I had. I didn't think to ask - I was just happy that they had them in my size as it wasn't the usual - normal - popular choice. Probably why they were left on the shelf longer than normal. They were not old but were older than I was expecting them to be.
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Re: what did you do with your fazer today ?
« Reply #8629 on: 09 May 2021, 01:24:53 pm »
The reason behind this legislation for HGV's, PSV's is quite simple.

I don't think so. 

Retread tyres are still legal and I don't know of anyone who recuts their own lorry/bus/car tyres.   
https://movingon.blog.gov.uk/2020/12/09/ban-on-tyres-over-10-years-old-for-heavy-vehicles-and-some-minibuses

To recut a tread you need something to cut into, i.e. compound has to be applied, to do that you need not only the compound but a lot of heat and machinery, the cost alone of which makes it unviable for anybody smaller than the likes of big transport companies, say TFL or such like.  Even those it just wouldn't be worth it, they just buy from specialist companies.  I don't doubt there's some arse out there who will try and dig a tyre a bit deeper than it is, but the time and effort involved, very very few, cheaper just to by part worn.    It's hard enough to cut a racing slick which is a soft compound let alone a lorry or Bus tyre!               

This legislation as a direct result of https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-23320526  &  https://www.itv.com/news/meridian/2021-02-01/ban-on-old-tyres-comes-into-force-following-campaign-by-mother-of-a-teenager-killed-in-a-crash-in-surrey 

It also brings us more into line with what the EU been doing for some time. 
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« Reply #8630 on: 09 May 2021, 06:43:56 pm »
mmm, it seems the general opinion is change them fairly regularly but if you're a sort of fair weather rider and don't clock up the miles as such I for one am reluctant to junk 2 perfectly good tyres because they're getting on a bit,you wouldn't mind if they wasn't so FUCKING expensive!! :finger
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« Reply #8631 on: 09 May 2021, 07:45:17 pm »
The reason behind this legislation for HGV's, PSV's is quite simple.

I don't think so. 

Retread tyres are still legal and I don't know of anyone who recuts their own lorry/bus/car tyres.   
https://movingon.blog.gov.uk/2020/12/09/ban-on-tyres-over-10-years-old-for-heavy-vehicles-and-some-minibuses

To recut a tread you need something to cut into, i.e. compound has to be applied, to do that you need not only the compound but a lot of heat and machinery, the cost alone of which makes it unviable for anybody smaller than the likes of big transport companies, say TFL or such like.  Even those it just wouldn't be worth it, they just buy from specialist companies.  I don't doubt there's some arse out there who will try and dig a tyre a bit deeper than it is, but the time and effort involved, very very few, cheaper just to by part worn.    It's hard enough to cut a racing slick which is a soft compound let alone a lorry or Bus tyre!               

This legislation as a direct result of https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-23320526  &  https://www.itv.com/news/meridian/2021-02-01/ban-on-old-tyres-comes-into-force-following-campaign-by-mother-of-a-teenager-killed-in-a-crash-in-surrey 

It also brings us more into line with what the EU been doing for some time.


Unfortunately, your wrong.
The amount of rubber laid onto a commercial vehicle tyre carcass is far more than you think. Having worked in the tyre industry a few years ago and re-cut commercial tyres myself I can assure you that even the smallest of operators will have the equipment. The cutting tool is similar in operation to a hot knife and to re-cut a tyre usually takes about 45 minutes to an hour. Over the last twenty years or so there have been many accidents caused by "blow outs" on both HGV & PSV vehicles - why do you think there's so much rubber left in piles on the edges of our motorway network. Commercial operators will (and I don't blame them) will cut whatever cost there is to maximise whatever profit there is. :eek
I personally change my tyres every two years - UV works in mysterious ways and I have no desire to end in a heap on the side of the road. I had experiences with my Father who would only ever buy remoulds and that kind of explains why I make that choice - cost is still a factor, but as I am lucky enough to be able to fit my own tyres, there's some savings to be had.

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Re: what did you do with your fazer today ?
« Reply #8632 on: 09 May 2021, 07:49:47 pm »
And getting back to the subject, took mine out for a 50 mile bimble. Following a winter spruce up which included new progressive fork springs, a bit of paint here and there, oil & filters, new throttle and clutch cables and some polishing (not to mention an operation on my leg) and everything fell into place. Just a minor tweak to the fork adjustment is required (possibly).
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Re: what did you do with your fazer today ?
« Reply #8633 on: 09 May 2021, 08:10:27 pm »
With a distinct temperature increase, it was nice to get out today leaving the heated gloves and winter suit behind. Took the opportunity to break in a new pair of Five gloves, not that they take much breaking in. Had a good whizz around Kent and Sussex, calling in on a pal who’s just out of hospital, following a crash a couple of weeks ago. Managed to fit in a pint when nearer home, racking up 193 of our lovely English miles on the trip meter. I think the new Metz must certainly be scrubbed in now. :lol
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« Reply #8634 on: 10 May 2021, 03:26:41 pm »
Got the might GEN1  MoTd today, slightly embarrassed with the mileage since the last one , only managed 550 miles on her in the last 18 months :eek .

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« Reply #8635 on: 10 May 2021, 06:19:31 pm »
Got the might GEN1  MoTd today, slightly embarrassed with the mileage since the last one , only managed 550 miles on her in the last 18 months :eek .
That’s the problem with a garage full of bikes :lol . Mind you, a nice problem to have. :thumbup
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Re: what did you do with your fazer today ?
« Reply #8636 on: 22 May 2021, 04:26:43 pm »
New tyres fitted (Bridgestone t31) new discs, lines, pads, titanium disc bolts Calipers stripped cleaned and put back together


Next month I’ll start buying stainless/titanium bolts to try tidy the bike up a bit. One little bit at a time.


Fender extender still to fit and a Unsiezed exup set of downpipes  :D  may even resleeve the scorpion can to
Tidy they up and shorten to 380mm will see










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« Reply #8637 on: 24 May 2021, 09:26:20 am »
Not today, but Saturday. MOT'd the Thou. 78K and going strong.

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« Reply #8638 on: 26 May 2021, 06:36:20 am »
insurance time for the mighty thou, received the renewal notice last week for £140.96, Phoned Hastings up last night as i do every year and got it down too £87.83...there are some advantages to being an old foccer  ;)
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« Reply #8639 on: 26 May 2021, 07:58:53 am »
received the renewal notice last week for £140.96
off-topic - I wish there was a law that blocked insurances co.s from pulling this annual nonsense, I have bounced between the same 4 ins. co,s for the last 10 yrs - they just never learn and/or don't give a shit.

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« Reply #8640 on: 26 May 2021, 12:49:32 pm »
off-topic - I wish there was a law that blocked insurances co.s from pulling this annual nonsense

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Insurance firms will be forced to end price walking as FCA reveals rip-off remedies

Fingers crossed...
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« Reply #8641 on: 26 May 2021, 02:11:44 pm »
off-topic - I wish there was a law that blocked insurances co.s from pulling this annual nonsense

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Insurance firms will be forced to end price walking as FCA reveals rip-off remedies

Fingers crossed...
All that will happen now is that the savvy ones will be paying more to compensate and so will the new ones. Don't think for one second that the insurance companies will be out of pocket- they will get it back somewhere.
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« Reply #8642 on: 26 May 2021, 02:56:21 pm »
insurance time for the mighty thou, received the renewal notice last week for £140.96, Phoned Hastings up last night as i do every year and got it down too £87.83...there are some advantages to being an old foccer  ;)

Just had my first quote through for my 2016 Z1000SX from my current insurers Bennetts....... £713.28!!
Baring in mind my FZ1n was insured with them for the same cover for only £186 a year and that was modified, faster and had a much smaller lock and chain in it!🙄

But just spent 10 minutes on the phone to them and in their typical fashion they have now "magically" managed to get it down to £385!
Honestly  I'm half convinced they just have a random number generator set up in the screen when they set your renewals.
It's still more expensive then I've seen on the comparison sites but I need to make sure I'm getting the same level of cover from the cheaper companies before I switch.

What's more annoying is all the companies now messaging me quotes for my FZ1n and that's only coming up at £120ish 😒

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« Reply #8643 on: 29 May 2021, 08:23:21 pm »
planning a full day on the boxeye tomorrow so spent a couple of hours checking the old girl over...rear brake has been spongy for a while so time to bleed the brakes, took a few try`s but now have a firm lever .strapped it down and will leave overnight, bikes been stood for a week and looses a few psi`s probably down to old tyres not sealing on the rim. down 6 psi on the front now got 32 psi, rear just needed a couple of pounds.fitted sat nav as i dont really know where iam going yet but will head to loomies and if not too busy will stop for breakfast. plan B will be to go onto Portsdown and have breakfast there...from there i dont know...maybe the New forest or perhaps a bimble east following coastal roads...roll on tomorrow  :thumbup 

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« Reply #8644 on: 30 May 2021, 06:10:27 pm »
Big day for RED98...
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« Reply #8645 on: 30 May 2021, 07:51:16 pm »
I don't do rain or threat there of. dry rider only with no shame.

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« Reply #8646 on: 31 May 2021, 06:47:49 am »
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Big day for RED98
Beat me to it. Knew I should have gone that extra mile  :'(

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« Reply #8648 on: 31 May 2021, 10:08:58 am »
 :lol ...yes easily missed, out all day yesterday but short by 18 miles by the time i got home, so i went out again solely to get the piccie. Crazy i know or does it just show how good these bike are ?  ;)
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« Reply #8649 on: 01 June 2021, 07:25:46 pm »
Gave the Fazer a good clean today, then loaded up the camping gear for a couple of days down in Dorset with Flooky, of this parish.
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