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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Lifting fuel tank
« on: 31 May 2012, 01:42:06 pm »
I tend to not lift mine more than 45 degrees, if you need more than that to work underneath it, it's safer to just take the tank off.
There is a bit of movement in the rubber mount as it's a shock absorber.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Hugger options
« on: 31 May 2012, 12:31:02 pm »
1 on Ebay for £80, and a slightly iffy looking one on 'Fazerspares' that's been repaired, with an icepick by the looks of it.  :eek

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Fazer Caliper
« on: 29 May 2012, 12:49:45 pm »
 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Squeeking from front end......
« on: 28 May 2012, 06:30:44 am »
Just for the record, i saw this yesterday whilst looking something up........

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Charging Issues, help!
« on: 27 May 2012, 09:30:18 am »
Just looked on Optimate site, when near full charge they will recharge for 30mins then cut off for 30mins, just to keep electrolytes consistent.


Battery chargers should be at least 4 times less amps than the battery that it's charging, so for example a 16 amp battery should be charged with no more than a 4 amp charger for best results and an extended battery life span.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Charging Issues, help!
« on: 27 May 2012, 09:19:32 am »
If it's a trickle charger it will do just that, it won't hurt leaving it on at all as the charger will just back off when it's fully charged.


I have a whole battery room at work full of all kinds of batteries, it's 'extremely' unlikely to get a charger these days that will just blatantly cook one.

10607
FZS600 Fazer / Re: Warm starting problem
« on: 27 May 2012, 09:10:22 am »
Check plugs are tightened properly and HT leads are okay, no loose spark plug caps.
May even be as simple as a low battery, give it a charge!

10608
FZS600 Fazer / Re: Brakes
« on: 27 May 2012, 09:06:06 am »
I would SERIOUSLY consider reading about my troubles a few posts down on the forum, titled  "FRONT BRAKE CALIPERS / BRAKE JUDDER"

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Brakes
« on: 25 May 2012, 12:08:58 pm »
Oh okay, i'm always open to options, i've tried a few now.
I'm on Galfer at the moment, they do the job very well

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Brakes
« on: 25 May 2012, 11:20:44 am »
Are the SBS pads that you're talking about the ceramic ones ?

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Squeeking from front end......
« on: 24 May 2012, 09:15:53 pm »
The lugs on the speedo drive fit into slots, if it's just randomly put back on the lugs snap off, and were probably the cause of that squeak.
I'd imagine it's a common mistake to make, i did it myself when i first took my wheel off years ago, and i read about it quite often.
But yes it should be packed with grease.
Washing out grease is a very bad idea. When things go round they generally need lubrication.
I very much doubt gluing the lug back on will work either, it'll just happen again probably, and you were fortunate to pass the MOT because i doubt that your speedo is working properly as it is??
I'd get it sorted sooner rather than later otherwise your next thing will be a speeding ticket!

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Show me your fazer!
« on: 24 May 2012, 01:21:10 pm »
See those yellow lines?
Don't park near my bike........  :lol

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: tyre pressure
« on: 24 May 2012, 11:54:35 am »
I've always used 36/42, as i think a lot of other people do too.
Mind you, i'm not exactly the smallest person, i occasionally have passengers, and i've got a top box.
Whenever i get my tyres changed my mechanic uses those pressures as well.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: FRONT BRAKE CALIPERS / BRAKE JUDDER
« on: 23 May 2012, 09:22:50 am »
UPDATE:
I can only describe my ride into work this morning as 'perfect'.
No hint of judder at all, lovely smooth braking.
A Foccers dream......
I'm a happy man  :D
 

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: FRONT BRAKE CALIPERS / BRAKE JUDDER
« on: 22 May 2012, 09:54:01 pm »
In all fairness, it looked like the rust was more to the outer edge of one of the pots that touches the pads.


I wouldn't be surprised if it's due to all the salt that gets chucked about during our 6 month winters!!


I've actually just ordered a fully working pair of 2nd hand calipers (it was only a few quid more to buy both rather than just one), so at least i can service them in my own time and i can swap them over quickly when needs arise in the future.


I kinda like that idea.........

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: FRONT BRAKE CALIPERS / BRAKE JUDDER
« on: 22 May 2012, 09:04:13 pm »
Yeah, the ones i took off were more floating than the OEM's, you could move them by hand.


I'll see how it goes tomorrow, but the fact that i've got rust on pots which will likely need renewing, plus the cost of seals, etc, i think i'll look for a fully working 2nd hand caliper in good nick.


It'll give me a spare to play with in my own time as well.



The other side was working really nicely.


As much as i like working on the bike i simply don't get the time to do it because i'm on call for work at weekends, so i need the easier and quicker fix.


Thanks for the advice again.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: FRONT BRAKE CALIPERS / BRAKE JUDDER
« on: 22 May 2012, 08:44:34 pm »
@red98


I push them out one at a time as far as i feel safe, without popping the seals, then clean them up and re-grease them.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: FRONT BRAKE CALIPERS / BRAKE JUDDER
« on: 22 May 2012, 08:40:58 pm »
That's exactly what i was thought earlier.


But, shouldn't the disc be central in the caliper? How can it drift to the right side?


If the pots on the right have seized, fair enough they'll just stay put, but why should the ones on the left go that far over, because surely the disc can't physically move over because it's bolted down in a fixed (central) position??


 

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: FRONT BRAKE CALIPERS / BRAKE JUDDER
« on: 22 May 2012, 08:24:27 pm »
Wait a minute, the more i look at that picture the more it just doesn't look right?


Can anyone explain how the surface of the pad on the left can be virtually halfway in between the caliper inner body, surely the disc is fixed and should be in the middle?


Why would the disc be so far over to the right side, and not central like the disc on the other caliper was?   :eek

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: FRONT BRAKE CALIPERS / BRAKE JUDDER
« on: 22 May 2012, 07:58:35 pm »
Okay then, the latest news is that the near side caliper appears to have two sticking pots on the same side, and on closer inspection one of them has also formed a bit of rust, which i'm a bit surprised at because they are fully red rubber greased up whenever i clean them, which is about twice a year.
I ride 5 days a week, every week, and i'm wondering if it's just had water settling on those two pots when the bike's on the side-stand at work when it rains? Or maybe salt damage from gritters (just a thought)


Anyway, when i looked at the caliper the pots on one side were pushed out much more than i've ever seen before, but hardly at all on the other.
You can see in the photo that the pads are not central at all, so i'm 'guessing' that the disc was being pushed from one side only and not both sides, and that is what's causing the 'juddering' effect?


Luckily the discs weren't being pushed hard enough to touch the actual caliper body, otherwise that could have got messy.
I won't know without stripping them down but i can only imagine there to be a bit of rust on the pots that i can't see internally as well.
They've always cleaned up okay in the past and moved in and out freely before i've greased them up so i'm a bit disappointed this has happened to be honest.


I put the OEM discs back on, and cleaned up the pots as much as i could, before greasing them up again, and i treated the calipers to some new pad pins as well, but i can't see it lasting too long so i think i'll get another left caliper anyway.
The right caliper was functioning perfectly, and very evenly, but i cleaned that up as well while i was at it.
The pads were still in very good, clean and flat condition, they looked almost new.


I never got a chance to try it out today as i've had a very busy day off, so i'll let you know the outcome tomorrow?

Thanks for all your input and advice, it was very much appreciated! :)


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FZS600 Fazer / Re: FRONT BRAKE CALIPERS / BRAKE JUDDER
« on: 22 May 2012, 09:14:07 am »
Yeah that must be it Gnasher, i'm just making it all up so i can have a nice chat ???


I'm off work today, so gonna give the calipers another clean up, and put the OEM discs back on.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: FRONT BRAKE CALIPERS / BRAKE JUDDER
« on: 22 May 2012, 01:23:30 am »
"Random's" not a word i would've used to be fair!
I had what i thought was a simple problem and i reacted accordingly, almost by the book.
I started with the obvious and worked my way up.
My bike has been to a few mechanics, and even they've scratched their head?
Which is why i've  decided to share my issue countrywide, in the hope that one or more of you nice people can help me out!
This is no joke to me now, i've spent a lot of time and money on this problem and it's kinda peeing me off as you can imagine, if i knew what was wrong i'd have got it sorted ages ago.
I know there's some clever Foccer out there that may be able to help me out!!


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FZS600 Fazer / Re: FRONT BRAKE CALIPERS / BRAKE JUDDER
« on: 20 May 2012, 06:06:15 pm »
@taksi


I've done all that mate, also i'm rotating 3 sets of discs that i have, and i get the same grabbing, on/off juddering effect, it's like braking on cobblestones.
They're definitely not warped at all because it goes away when i clean the discs up for a little while, and if i use the brakes lightly it's not so bad, if they were warped i'd feel it as soon as i touched the brakes even a little bit.
I'm gonna hopefully take Tuesday off next week and give it another go, weekends are no good to me due to work.
If that fails, i think another set of calipers will probably be my next move.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: FRONT BRAKE CALIPERS / BRAKE JUDDER
« on: 19 May 2012, 11:04:52 am »
TWO sets of forks, exactly same problem, even i can't be that unlucky?


And i am extremely careful when sanding discs, by hand, and because you are getting rid of previous brake markings you can easily see what is going on.


I use aluminium oxide paper, in small circular movements, I tried Garnet paper before but it wasn't quite man enough for the job.


Next time i do it i'll post a photo.


Once they're back on they feel like glass for a few miles, and feel perfectly straight with no judder at all.


I kind of savour the moment every time i take the bike out after they've been done.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: FRONT BRAKE CALIPERS / BRAKE JUDDER
« on: 18 May 2012, 02:31:27 pm »
Whenever i clean up the calipers i push them out further than needed for braking, then i can push the pots back in with my fingers, so in that respect i will say they're not seized.
I had pads out a couple of months ago and they looked as good as new, no lumps or chunks out of them, or nothing untoward anyway.
I will try the OEM discs again, as soon as i can get a day off work, i'm on call at weekends so it's not possible for me to do it then.
I got a new pair of pad pins yesterday to go in as well, just to eliminate them from the equation.
As you mentioned, i'm also starting to think wear and tear in the calipers could well be the culprit, so i think i've got to consider changing them.

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