Fazer Owners Club - Unofficial
General => General => Topic started by: steve 10562cc on 03 March 2019, 10:38:01 am
-
If those found guilty knife/any murders face the ultimate punishment to dangle at the end of a rope perhaps they would think twice about going out with a knife tucked in there belt.
-
no
-
+1
-
No. Too many innocent people have been hanged
-
Think I'd prefer a life sentence with NO reduction for being a good boy.
-
The thing is, if you look at the savage sentencing in America, along with the odd capital punishment state, it still hasn’t discouraged people from committing atrocious crimes.
The main reason behind it all is drugs.
People are so off their nut these days that they don’t fear anything any more.
Whenever i see trouble in a pub now it’s not the “drunk” people that are the cause, as the media would always lead you to believe, it’s the blatant angry coke head that generally kicks things off who has mixed their drugs with booze and rapidly switches their mood to instant arsehole in seconds.
It’s also why all these gangs are going around stabbing each other, it’s because of drug wars.
As for that poor 17yr old girl who got stabbed yesterday, that was just premeditated murder carried out by wankers in balaclava’s.
I would not be surprised if that was some kind of initiation thing, or less likely but possibly religious/terror related, but whoever they are i would quite happily let authorities put them to sleep (which will never happen) or alternatively give them a HUMAN LIFE sentence, in solitary. Not the life sentence of a gerbil or hamster.
-
The purpose of reduced sentences is to encourage rehabilitation and remorse. I agree, for the worst murders this is not going to happen. In those cases life must mean life, and it mustn't be pleasant.
-
If anyone is interested I suggest someone asks under the freedom of information act the number of convicted murderers that have been released and gone on to received a convictions for 2nd or even 3rd murder you would be horrified I know of several, and it would far outweigh the number of wrongful convictions. Mtread your very naïve if you believe that stick to HMRC and leave it to the people who have to keep these people in custody.
.
-
I'm anything but naive :)
It's not a numbers game. One innocent person wrongly executed by society is one too many
-
I'm anything but naive :)
It's not a numbers game. One innocent person wrongly executed by society is one too many
But there are cases like the Lee Rigby murder where it’s 100% guilty as charged and now we have to pay to keep those shitbags in food and care.
Personally i think the police should’ve taken them out at the scene.
-
The only answer is a real full life sentence, no parole or early release for any reason, no visitors and some kind of hard labour that is measured, don't make the quota they don't get food or drink.
But there is no chance of any of that, too many liberal dogooding gob shites who think the criminal has more rights than the victim, if you commit a major crime the emphasis has to be on punishment not rehabilitation.
-
Mtread there are far more innocent victims of murders that are released, than miscarriage's of justice. Clever barristers and the bleeding heart brigade win many appeals.
-
Tricky one. If there is NO chance of release then there is no incentive to behave themselves in prison. Ok life means life but to get them to behave, maybe behaving yourself instead of any early release would get you a tv, misbehave - gets taken away. Vid games and consoles what ever the same.Death penalty but for some is what they want, I would gladly pay to keep them from their 28 virgins and keep them alive.
-
Deterrents will not work.
Scotland used to have the highest knife crime in the developed world. Not anymore. Still an issue but not quite the massive issue it used to be. Article on how Scotland tackled knife crime;
https://www.theguardian.com/membership/2017/dec/03/how-scotland-reduced-knife-deaths-among-young-people (https://www.theguardian.com/membership/2017/dec/03/how-scotland-reduced-knife-deaths-among-young-people)
And I am reminded of the fantastic documentary photographer David Gillanders Glasgow knife crime project. Well worth a look, but be warned it is not for the faint hearted. Seriously hard hitting stuff.
http://www.davidgillanders.com/documentary/glasgow/ (http://www.davidgillanders.com/documentary/glasgow/)
-
Mtread there are far more innocent victims of murders that are released, than miscarriage's of justice.
As I said, it's not a numbers game. If you're happy for an innocent person to get hanged as a deterrent to prevent someone else murdering again, then I hope the innocent person isn't one of yours.
You can release an innocent person, but you can't dig them up.
-
Oh dear, a good old Death Penalty thread.
Ever heard the expression "Might as well be hanged for a sheep as a lamb"? That was from the time when you could be hanged for stealing a sheep.
Try looking up the history of The Bloody Code (https://www.capitalpunishmentuk.org/bcode.html) and realise that, despite all those crimes which could get you hanged, people *still* committed these crimes and, of course, innocent people were hanged due to miscarriages of justice, even those supposedly convicted "Beyond Resonable Doubt".
Then consider the Birmingham 6, Guildford 4 and similar cases where people were convicted because of bent Police, dodgy forensics etc...
So you can't stop people committing crimes, even by threatening them with death, and even when you convict someone, you might have the wrong person.
So, in answer to your question: No.
-
Oh dear, a good old Death Penalty thread.
Ever heard the expression "Might as well be hanged for a sheep as a lamb"? That was from the time when you could be hanged for stealing a sheep.
Try looking up the history of The Bloody Code (https://www.capitalpunishmentuk.org/bcode.html) and realise that, despite all those crimes which could get you hanged, people *still* committed these crimes and, of course, innocent people were hanged due to miscarriages of justice, even those supposedly convicted "Beyond Resonable Doubt".
Then consider the Birmingham 6, Guildford 4 and similar cases where people were convicted because of bent Police, dodgy forensics etc...
So you can't stop people committing crimes, even by threatening them with death, and even when you convict someone, you might have the wrong person.
So, in answer to your question: No.
You're going back in time though.
These days you can't even blow your nose without being on CCTV, or with someone recording you on their phone, plus we have DNA science to aid us as well.
Obviously not always, but sometimes there will be outstanding evidence that the person is 100% guilty of the crime.
You'll still have the defence liars trying every trick in the book to get you off though, as that's what these shameless bastards do, even when they know you're guilty. And the more money or fame you have, the more chance you will have of getting a lesser sentence or being let off. That's just the way of the world unfortunately.
-
You know, perversely Sharia law offers 3 options for this-
1) Retribution, simply demanding the killer also be killed, 2) Receive Payment of blood money in liu of demanding the death of the killer, or 3) The family of the deceased may forgive the killer.
Putting the views of the victim or victims families first now there's something new!
-
Capital punishment does not have to be a mandatary sentence, but I believe it should be on the statute to enable the judge to use it in the most horrendous cases of premeditated murder.
-
But it solves nothing as we know deterrents don’t work.
-
And the alternative to defence liars are lying coppers determined to get a conviction, come what may.
So, not in my name you don't.
-
Whatever happened to the "Mandatory 5 year sentence" for those found carrying a knife?We need more "snatch" teams to do random stop and searches and bollox to the PC lefties who scream harrassment.
Friend of mine was in London visiting his sister. He popped out to the local shops and was stabbed from behind in the liver, no reason, no warning. He was in intensive care for 3 weeks but fortunately pulled through, though he will never be 100%. Police suggested it may have been a gang "initiation" to prove how big and manly they are to stab someone in the back and run away.
How about compulsory conscription to the services to have it beasted out of them, learn respect and hopefully come out educated with a trade and some use to society.
-
Just bare in mind prison is just a university for criminals to hone their skills and knowledge in various methods and avoiding being detected of crime, and that for what it's worth is from experience of working within that system.
-
I'm a 'PC lefty' but I fully support Stop and Search in the current climate.
-
Whatever happened to the "Mandatory 5 year sentence" for those found carrying a knife?We need more "snatch" teams to do random stop and searches and bollox to the PC lefties who scream harrassment.
Friend of mine was in London visiting his sister. He popped out to the local shops and was stabbed from behind in the liver, no reason, no warning. He was in intensive care for 3 weeks but fortunately pulled through, though he will never be 100%. Police suggested it may have been a gang "initiation" to prove how big and manly they are to stab someone in the back and run away.
How about compulsory conscription to the services to have it beasted out of them, learn respect and hopefully come out educated with a trade and some use to society.
Now this is a good option. I'd personally assign 2 to every foot patrol - stick him right up the front to find those IED's. If he finds one then then call up the next. If they died they'd have done something of use by saving our boys.
-
Bring back the death penalty.
-
I'm sure the armed forces do not want the people that carry knives, first sign of a fire fight and the would bottle it big style. Would any of you want to rely on one of these idiots to cover your back?
-
You know, perversely Sharia law offers 3 options for this-
1) Retribution, simply demanding the killer also be killed, 2) Receive Payment of blood money in liu of demanding the death of the killer, or 3) The family of the deceased may forgive the killer.
Putting the views of the victim or victims families first now there's something new!
No good at all,
1 - the " killer" might actually be innocent.
2 - rich people buy their way out, poor people can't.
3 - all well and good but ho in the family makes the decision.
-
You're going back in time though.
Yes, because those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it - George Santayana
These days you can't even blow your nose without being on CCTV, or with someone recording you on their phone, plus we have DNA science to aid us as well.
And ANPR cameras and trackers and so on, yet so many bikes get stolen and never recovered. So if they can't do that, what chance is there of catching murderers etc, even when such crimes happen so much more infrequently?
You'll still have the defence liars trying every trick in the book to get you off though, as that's what these shameless bastards do, even when they know you're guilty.
Yes, because *THAT'S THEIR JOB*!
EVERYONE is entitled to a fair trial and the presumption of innocence.
Otherwise why don't we just go back to the old days of finding some likely person (especially whose face we don't like) and string them up from the nearest lamp post...?
-
You're going back in time though.
Yes, because those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it - George Santayana
These days you can't even blow your nose without being on CCTV, or with someone recording you on their phone, plus we have DNA science to aid us as well.
And ANPR cameras and trackers and so on, yet so many bikes get stolen and never recovered. So if they can't do that, what chance is there of catching murderers etc, even when such crimes happen so much more infrequently?
You'll still have the defence liars trying every trick in the book to get you off though, as that's what these shameless bastards do, even when they know you're guilty.
Yes, because *THAT'S THEIR JOB*!
EVERYONE is entitled to a fair trial and the presumption of innocence.
Otherwise why don't we just go back to the old days of finding some likely person (especially whose face we don't like) and string them up from the nearest lamp post...?
Stolen bikes are not exactly on top of the agenda for the police unfortunately. A bit like someone going into an Amsterdam police station and saying someone’s just nicked your pushbike.
And i know it’s their job, but i just fucking hate the way they lie and bend the truth for a very good living. And i also get the fact if they were defending me i would prefer the best outcome too.
-
I could support the death penalty for the very worst of crimes, like acts of terrorism and crimes like Brady and his accomplice, but its just never going to happen so we have to look at prevention. The biggest single impact was the removal of Stop and Search, dropped because t was deemed to be acting against the interest of certain sections of the community, and the government appeased them by removing S&S. Now we are paying the price. Coupled with police number reductions, budget reductions, holiday camp prisons, soft sentencing, do gooder liberals etc, the streets are under the control of criminals. Ask yourselves who is going to correct all this, who has the plans and policies, who has got the balls to stand up and speak out and act to correct this. My guess is no-one who has any authority, for fear of being labelled racist or any other of the labels currently being slung around. The knifers wont stop, because there is nothing in place to deter or prevent them from killing.
-
May says it's nothing to do with police numbers
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/mar/04/no-link-between-knife-and-police-cuts-says-theresa-may (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/mar/04/no-link-between-knife-and-police-cuts-says-theresa-may)
-
May says it's nothing to do with police numbers
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/mar/04/no-link-between-knife-and-police-cuts-says-theresa-may (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/mar/04/no-link-between-knife-and-police-cuts-says-theresa-may)
Well she is never going to say that it is to do witb police numbers !
-
May says it's nothing to do with police numbers
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/mar/04/no-link-between-knife-and-police-cuts-says-theresa-may (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/mar/04/no-link-between-knife-and-police-cuts-says-theresa-may)
As the former Home Secretary, she has to say that. Can you imagine her saying that reduced police funding/numbers has had an impact, having been responsible for those reductions?
-
Right now you probably need stop and search as an emergency response. But long term it will work against you.
The problem is the stuff you wanna hear, the stuff that makes good Sun, Mail and Express headlines, well none of it works.
Another article on how we tackled knife crime here in Scotland.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-45572691 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-45572691)
-
Some of the so called experts want to do a few shifts in H.M. UNIVERSITIES OF CRIME so they understand the what they are talking about. They might just change their tune
-
I blame the parents.
-
That I am sorry to say parents and where you are born is not always easy answer to blame for peoples bad behavier though they are the easy target we all have the choice we all KNOW RIGHT FROM WRONG. it's a personal choice which road we take. Which I have been told many times by those that choose the wrong road.
-
Right now you probably need stop and search as an emergency response. But long term it will work against you.
The problem is the stuff you wanna hear, the stuff that makes good Sun, Mail and Express headlines, well none of it works.
Another article on how we tackled knife crime here in Scotland.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-45572691 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-45572691)
How the fuck can they take the time to write that whole article, mentioning that 80% involved had been drinking yet no mention of drugs whatsoever???
-
The purpose of reduced sentences is to encourage rehabilitation and remorse. I agree, for the worst murders this is not going to happen. In those cases life must mean life, and it mustn't be pleasant.
Now not having ever spent more than one night in a police station, I really don’t have any experiences of incarceration.
My understanding was that criminals do not go into prison to be punished, but that the removal of their liberty was indeed the punishment, and ideally come out a reformed person.
But for premeditated murder, and I think anyone going out carrying a knife I think premeditation is infered, a life sentence should be a minimum of 25 - 30 years. For someone who has killed more than once it should be their natural life.
-
The only thing prison does is keep the general public safe from convicted criminals for the period of their sentence and very little else despite you are told by the powers that be. If it did there wouldn't be so many return time after time to H.M UNIVERSITY OF CRIME.
-
The only thing prison does is keep the general public safe from convicted criminals for the period of their sentence and very little else despite you are told by the powers that be. If it did there wouldn't be so many return time after time to H.M UNIVERSITY OF CRIME.
Truth is, some people are just wired differently, also it can be to do with the way they've been brought up, their natural surroundings (ie: a lawless country compared to ours), drink/drug abuse, gang culture, some are just generally thick all round, and for others it will be a heat of the moment crime. No doubt greed and jealousy plays a big part too.
Then you slowly move over to self defence, which still has to be proven, even more so if the person who committed the act has previous form themselves. Just because you committed 10 similar crimes before, doesn't automatically make you immediately guilty of an 11th even if it does seem highly likely, hence the reason you're not supposed to divulge any previous crimes to a jury to stop any bias.
The other thing as well which can be hugely influential is trial by media, if the newspapers don't like you or have made up the jurors mind before a case has even gone to court then you are well and truly fucked.
Prison itself now has the problem of actually bringing some of the scummiest wankers in the UK together in the same environment, so this creates another gang culture inside that's worse than the ones outside. Not just the UK obviously, that's a worldwide problem.
Some people are career criminals though and either can't or won't change. I do think that the most savage ones that are overwhelmingly found guilty don't deserve food, a roof, and all forms of care at our expense and should be terminated.
The alternative of course is keep your head down, study, get a job, and be nice to people. Simple. :lol
-
Arm the populace.
-
Nope that wouldn't work either celticdog most normal people couldn't/wouldn't plunge a knife into anyone or pull a trigger, or just hesitate untill it was to late.
-
Nope that wouldn't work either celticdog most normal people couldn't/wouldn't plunge a knife into anyone or pull a trigger, or just hesitate untill it was to late.
A knife is much more sinister than a gun as it's up close and personal.
But if you're born into an area or country where you could see someone shot, stabbed or worse on a daily basis then it becomes the norm to them.
There are many countries that behave in this barbaric way, then their people move over here "for a better life" but bring all their shit with them.
-
IMHO capital punishment for indisputable guilt, such as the murderers of Lee Rigby, should be reintroduced. I am not interested in rehabilitating or reforming anyone like that. They chose murder, they should be treated equally.
Also IMHO there has been a gradual removal of discipline and deterrent over recent years. In my neighbourhood there are feral kids doing all kinds of mischief with no concern whatsoever for being caught or getting "a good telling off". Clearly they carry this through to adulthood and expect to get their own spoilt way in all matters.
-
IMHO capital punishment for indisputable guilt, such as the murderers of Lee Rigby, should be reintroduced. I am not interested in rehabilitating or reforming anyone like that. They chose murder, they should be treated equally.
Also IMHO there has been a gradual removal of discipline and deterrent over recent years. In my neighbourhood there are feral kids doing all kinds of mischief with no concern whatsoever for being caught or getting "a good telling off". Clearly they carry this through to adulthood and expect to get their own spoilt way in all matters.
Not in a million years of seeing a shrink would the Lee Rigby killers show any remorse or have any remote chance of being reformed, as not only are they simple evil bastards, they are brainwashed religious freaks.
As I said before, the police should've done things American style and put them to rest at the scene, but instead they get to spout their bollocks to other naïve and gullible people inside prison, where if I had my way they'd be in solitary with nothing but four walls to stare at.
-
As I said before, the police should've done things American style
Fire a dozen bullets into any black person they don't like the look of? Hmmmmm.
-
As I said before, the police should've done things American style
Fire a dozen bullets into any black person they don't like the look of? Hmmmmm.
Possibly one of the most retarded responses you've said yet, when we were clearly talking about the killers of Lee Rigby!
-
Quote from: VNA on Today at 12:15:00 PM ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php/topic,25011.msg293891.html#msg293891[/url])<blockquote>Quote<blockquote>As I said before, the police should've done things American style </blockquote>Fire a dozen bullets into any black person they don't like the look of? Hmmmmm.</blockquote>
Possibly one of the most retarded responses you've said yet, when we were clearly talking about the killers of Lee Rigby!
I thought it was knife crime and capital punishment.
Now we seem to be onto Lee Rigby and your opinion that our police should act as judge, jury and executioners. :eek
But apparently, I am the one that is retarded. :lol
-
Quote from: VNA on Today at 12:15:00 PM ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php/topic,25011.msg293891.html#msg293891[/url])<blockquote>Quote<blockquote>As I said before, the police should've done things American style </blockquote>Fire a dozen bullets into any black person they don't like the look of? Hmmmmm.</blockquote>
Possibly one of the most retarded responses you've said yet, when we were clearly talking about the killers of Lee Rigby!
I thought it was knife crime and capital punishment.
Now we seem to be onto Lee Rigby and your opinion that our police should act as judge, jury and executioners. :eek
But apparently, I am the one that is retarded. :lol
Are you defending them then, is that what you’re saying?
-
Are you defending them then, is that what you’re saying?
I don’t believe in capital punishment, never mind certain American police force tactics, and most certainly not summary execution.
There are many countries that behave in this barbaric way, then their people move over here "for a better life" but bring all their shit with them.
Are you racist?
-
Are you defending them then, is that what you’re saying?
I don’t believe in capital punishment, never mind certain American police force tactics, and most certainly not summary execution.
There are many countries that behave in this barbaric way, then their people move over here "for a better life" but bring all their shit with them.
Are you racist?
Nope.
-
As I said before, the police should've done things American style
Fire a dozen bullets into any black person they don't like the look of? Hmmmmm.
Yep, that comment right there, that attitude, making it into something it's not is not only part of the problem, it's the reason that most of the problems in today's society cannot be tackled or even spoke about in an open and honest way without the liberal appeasers labelling anyone who dares to address the root cause.Well done VNA. You have again proven you are either completely out of touch with reality or just someone who enjoys trolling this forum ... Or as I suspect....BOTH.
And VNA, the killers of Lee Rigby tried to decapitate him on the streets of our Capital in broad daylight and charged the police car as it pulled up, knives in hand, with the intent to kill or maim them.
They literally had seconds to react to defend themselves and any other members of the public or nearby military personnel who were mainly bandsmen.
you talk about them being judge, jury and executioner.... You truly haven't got a clue.
And there you go again with your "RACIST" label when someone points out an obvious fact.
I Seriously think its time that everybody who thinks VNA is just trolling, ignores his stupid, provocative and clearly baiting comments and input.
It's honestly not worth the effort to react or reply to.
-
As I said before, the police should've done things American style
Fire a dozen bullets into any black person they don't like the look of? Hmmmmm.
Yep, that comment right there, that attitude, making it into something it's not is not only part of the problem, it's the reason that most of the problems in today's society cannot be tackled or even spoke about in an open and honest way without the liberal appeasers labelling anyone who dares to address the root cause.Well done VNA. You have again proven you are either completely out of touch with reality or just someone who enjoys trolling this forum ... Or as I suspect....BOTH.
And VNA, the killers of Lee Rigby tried to decapitate him on the streets of our Capital in broad daylight and charged the police car as it pulled up, knives in hand, with the intent to kill or maim them.
They literally had seconds to react to defend themselves and any other members of the public or nearby military personnel who were mainly bandsmen.
you talk about them being judge, jury and executioner.... You truly haven't got a clue.
And there you go again with your "RACIST" label when someone points out an obvious fact.
I Seriously think its time that everybody who thinks VNA is just trolling, ignores his stupid, provocative and clearly baiting comments and input.
It's honestly not worth the effort to react or reply to.
:agree
-
and charged the police car as it pulled up, knives in hand, with the intent to kill or maim them
No they wanted the police to open fire and die as martyrs. They were terrorists.
While we're talking about Lee Rigby, nobody seems to have mentioned the premeditated, cold blooded public murders of Jo Cox and Makram Ali. I wonder what caused those murders?
-
And VNA, the killers of Lee Rigby tried to decapitate him on the streets of our Capital in broad daylight and charged the police car as it pulled up, knives in hand, with the intent to kill or maim them.
They literally had seconds to react to defend themselves and any other members of the public or nearby military personnel who were mainly bandsmen.
you talk about them being judge, jury and executioner.... You truly haven't got a clue.
Talk about twisting what somebody said.
-
No they wanted the police to open fire and die as martyrs. They were terrorists.
Indeed. So I am not sure what the parallel is with teenage knife crime and terrorism.
Further in the Lee Rigby case the police defended themselves, used appropriate force and made arrests. They did not act as judge, jury and executioners as Darrsi would have them.
They acted absolutely 100% professionally under the most extraordinary pressure.
Nope.
But gang crime and knife crime is a foreign thing, an immigrant thing – really? No such thing as white English violent crime – really?
-
Arm the populace.
That would certainly cut down knife crime :rollin :lol :rollin :lol :rollin :2guns
-
I am the one that is retarded.
Fucking A+ for that comment VNA?...Finally something you've said that isn't a load of bollocks.
-
While we're talking about Lee Rigby, nobody seems to have mentioned the premeditated, cold blooded public murders of Jo Cox and Makram Ali. I wonder what caused those murders?
Makram Ali and Jo Cox?
Makram Ali was killed by Darren Osborne;
His trial heard he regularly read material from the former EDL leader Tommy Robinson and the far-right group Britain First, among others. “Over the space of a month or so, your mindset became one of malevolent hatred. You allowed your mind to be poisoned by those who claim to be leaders,” Cheema-Grubb told him.
Jo Cox was killed by Thomas Mair
“During the course of the murder Thomas Mair was heard by a number of witnesses to say repeatedly ‘Britain First’.”
He later said Mr Mair, in the run up to the killing, searched the web for Nazi material, the Ku Klux Klan, murdered Tory MP Ian Gow and Remain-supporting MP William Hague.
-
Are you defending them then, is that what you’re saying?
I don’t believe in capital punishment, never mind certain American police force tactics, and most certainly not summary execution.
There are many countries that behave in this barbaric way, then their people move over here "for a better life" but bring all their shit with them.
Are you racist?
I think to be a racist you actually have to mention a race or ethnic group.
To just make a comment that 'There are many countries that behave in this barbaric way, then their people move over here "for a better life" but bring all their shit with them' I personally don't think this is racist VNA, it is more a statement of fact, because that is exactly what happens and to be honest their are enough White English/British Born and Breed Fucktards in this county that would happily shove a pike into you, without importing more fucking idiots.
-
This is a typical tactic...
When you realise you've said something stupid and indefensible.
You then start spouting other cases where right wing extremist have committed murder and you try and blame all the usual suspects using MSM sources in an attempt to deflect attention away from what you said in the first place.
We're wise to it .... You're both idiots. :lol
-
Makram Ali was killed by Darren Osborne;
Darren Osborne was heard to shout 'kill all Muslims'.
Look, all these are individual terrorist incidents, nothing to do with knife crime or the rise in the murder rate. They need different solutions.
-
As I said before, the police should've done things American style
Fire a dozen bullets into any black person they don't like the look of? Hmmmmm.
Yep, that comment right there, that attitude, making it into something it's not is not only part of the problem, it's the reason that most of the problems in today's society cannot be tackled or even spoke about in an open and honest way without the liberal appeasers labelling anyone who dares to address the root cause.Well done VNA. You have again proven you are either completely out of touch with reality or just someone who enjoys trolling this forum ... Or as I suspect....BOTH.
And VNA, the killers of Lee Rigby tried to decapitate him on the streets of our Capital in broad daylight and charged the police car as it pulled up, knives in hand, with the intent to kill or maim them.
They literally had seconds to react to defend themselves and any other members of the public or nearby military personnel who were mainly bandsmen.
you talk about them being judge, jury and executioner.... You truly haven't got a clue.
And there you go again with your "RACIST" label when someone points out an obvious fact.
I Seriously think its time that everybody who thinks VNA is just trolling, ignores his stupid, provocative and clearly baiting comments and input.
It's honestly not worth the effort to react or reply to.
How about shutting the Scottish borders to keep the blue people out of England :rollin :rollin :rollin
Blue not being a political statement
-
This has nothing to do with religion, colour, race, political beliefs that is just an excuse used to justify what they have done. I have dealt with all sorts over 30 odd years the thing I found that they have in common was the need/ability to kill to get their way or what they want. I might add the few that go out from prison and lead a good life never to be heard of for the wrong reasons have my admiration as the odds are stacked against them.
-
The trouble is Dazza, there we were trying to talk about knife crime and how to deal with the increase in the murder rate, and some other idiots dragged the conversation over to another anti Muslim rant :lol
-
Quote from: VNA on Today at 12:15:00 PM ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php/topic,25011.msg293891.html#msg293891[/url])<blockquote>Quote<blockquote>As I said before, the police should've done things American style </blockquote>Fire a dozen bullets into any black person they don't like the look of? Hmmmmm.</blockquote>
Possibly one of the most retarded responses you've said yet, when we were clearly talking about the killers of Lee Rigby!
I thought it was knife crime and capital punishment.
Now we seem to be onto Lee Rigby and your opinion that our police should act as judge, jury and executioners. :eek
But apparently, I am the one that is retarded. :lol
Seriously VNA - you twisted that one inside out. As for police acting as judge, jury and executioners, you appear to have forgotten the nutter who killed 4 at the Houses of Parliament. The police acted as judge, jury and executioners ...........or am I also retarded in congratulating them for what they did ??
-
I think to be a racist you actually have to mention a race or ethnic group.
To just make a comment that 'There are many countries that behave in this barbaric way, then their people move over here "for a better life" but bring all their shit with them' I personally don't think this is racist VNA, it is more a statement of fact, because that is exactly what happens
OK. Xenophobic then.
-
Seriously VNA - you twisted that one inside out. As for police acting as judge, jury and executioners, you appear to have forgotten the nutter who killed 4 at the Houses of Parliament. The police acted as judge, jury and executioners ...........or am I also retarded in congratulating them for what they did ??
I suspect the officer in question might just be a little offended by your comment. He was, if I remember correctly faced with a man who appeared intent on stabbing him. The police officer took appropriate action in defending himself and unfortunately the suspect died. That is in no way acting, as you say, as Judge, Jury and executioner. The police officer did his job, again under the most extreme pressure, and acted in a professional manner.
-
Seriously VNA - you twisted that one inside out. As for police acting as judge, jury and executioners, you appear to have forgotten the nutter who killed 4 at the Houses of Parliament. The police acted as judge, jury and executioners ...........or am I also retarded in congratulating them for what they did ??
I suspect the officer in question might just be a little offended by your comment. He was, if I remember correctly faced with a man who appeared intent on stabbing him. The police officer took appropriate action in defending himself and unfortunately the suspect died. That is in no way acting, as you say, as Judge, Jury and executioner. The police officer did his job, again under the most extreme pressure, and acted in a professional manner.
Twisted it again didn't you - i said THE POLICE who acted as judge, jury and executioner based upon what the policeman in question had suffered. You referenced the the 1st target of this nutter who could not act as judge, jury and executioner. Read what people type, don't twist it round just to insult people and don't for 1 second suggest he would be offended by my comment....he and the other 3 who died would almost certainly be offended by you. Spock would not make sense of anything you type fella.
-
I think to be a racist you actually have to mention a race or ethnic group.
To just make a comment that 'There are many countries that behave in this barbaric way, then their people move over here "for a better life" but bring all their shit with them' I personally don't think this is racist VNA, it is more a statement of fact, because that is exactly what happens
OK. Xenophobic then.
Maybe the odd argumentative prick from Scotland, you could be right there. :rollin
-
Twisted it again didn't you - i said THE POLICE who acted as judge, jury and executioner based upon what the policeman in question had suffered. You referenced the the 1st target of this nutter who could not act as judge, jury and executioner. Read what people type, don't twist it round just to insult people and don't for 1 second suggest he would be offended by my comment....he and the other 3 who died would almost certainly be offended by you. Spock would not make sense of anything you type fella.
What you said is;
The police acted as judge, jury and executioners
I do not believe that to be the case. I think the policeman in question did his job. To suggest that he acted judge, jury and executioners is quite repugnent.
-
OK. Xenophobic then.
Maybe the odd argumentative prick from Scotland, you could be right there. ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/rollin.gif[/url])
Dunno why that came oot sae large. :eek
-
Twisted it again didn't you - i said THE POLICE who acted as judge, jury and executioner based upon what the policeman in question had suffered. You referenced the the 1st target of this nutter who could not act as judge, jury and executioner. Read what people type, don't twist it round just to insult people and don't for 1 second suggest he would be offended by my comment....he and the other 3 who died would almost certainly be offended by you. Spock would not make sense of anything you type fella.
What you said is;
The police acted as judge, jury and executioners
I do not believe that to be the case. I think the policeman in question did his job. To suggest that he acted judge, jury and executioners is quite repugnent.
Twisted again for fucks sake........you couldn't make this shit up. Now you're back peddling....REPUGNANT !!!! You are a waste of space fella.
-
:z Anyway......... knife crime, what's the solution?
-
Twisted again for fucks sake........you couldn't make this shit up. Now you're back peddling....REPUGNANT !!!! You are a waste of space fella.
Nope, don't think so.
CCTV footage aired at the inquest showed SA74 heading towards Masood before moving backwards in an attempt to give the attacker a chance to stop before he opened fire. The officer, who wept while giving testimony, said he shouted at Masood to drop the knife but it had no effect. “He was going to kill me,” he said.
His colleague, known only as SB73, told the inquest he shouted warnings at the attacker, but Masood did not change direction or speed and carried on towards them. He said he could not think of a greater justification for having to fire.
Both protection officers quickly carried out first aid on Masood after he was shot. The inquest heard three gunshot wounds were found during an autopsy. The first bullet, which struck his upper torso, was believed to be the cause of death.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/oct/12/westminster-bridge-attack-khalid-masood-lawfully-killed-inquest-concludes (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/oct/12/westminster-bridge-attack-khalid-masood-lawfully-killed-inquest-concludes)
In others words they acted appropriately. They did not act, as you claim, as "Judge, Jury and excecutioner."
-
You literally just shot yourself in the foot :lol
-
You literally just shot yourself in the foot ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/lol.gif[/url])
Just checked. My foot is literally fine.
I suspect the word you are looking for is metaphorically.
But then again I have neither literally or metaphorically shot myself in the foot. :)
-
A simple yes or no to my original post would have been good wasn't looking for a debate about who/why it's committed, but how do we stop or control it. Is it just humans who are capable of killing for other reasons than food.
-
My reply #13 - Deterrents will not work.
So NO.
-
The purpose of reduced sentences is to encourage rehabilitation and remorse. I agree, for the worst murders this is not going to happen. In those cases life must mean life, and it mustn't be pleasant.
Now not having ever spent more than one night in a police station, I really don’t have any experiences of incarceration.
My understanding was that criminals do not go into prison to be punished, but that the removal of their liberty was indeed the punishment, and ideally come out a reformed person.
But for premeditated murder, and I think anyone going out carrying a knife I think premeditation is infered, a life sentence should be a minimum of 25 - 30 years. For someone who has killed more than once it should be their natural life.
Have to agree. If you take a knife out with you, you must have had the intention to us it. The problem is, the govt is not willing to bear the cost of keeping them off the streets for ever, hence continuing efforts to reduce sentences early parole etc, and the death penalty does not carry the majority support of the nation any more. Throw in that any attempts to act on the problem will be taken as an assault on this/that or the other community/ethnic group, all with their own lobby groups within govt/parliament. Serious remedial action is not likely to be forthcoming, the politicians will froth at the mouth for a while, chuck a few at some local communities from which the problem appears to stem, then pass it on as they slip through the ever revolving door that is political life in this country these days. They really are too scared to act for fear of alienating their political grass roots support.
-
As I said before, the police should've done things American style
Fire a dozen bullets into any black person they don't like the look of? Hmmmmm.
No, he's not saying that is he. Shame on you.
I'll try and explain in simpleton terms for you.
Where an individual, regardless of colour/race/sexual orientation/handedness, has half hacked off the head of another person in the public domain, and is continuing to hack off the remainder of the connection with a very sharp implement, the responsible authority has the approval to terminate said assailant to prevent further loss/injury to other citizens.
I hope that suffices
-
Throw in that any attempts to act on the problem will be taken as an assault on this/that or the other community/ethnic group, all with their own lobby groups within govt/parliament.
I don't see why that would be the case. The right actions can only have positive results.
-
No, he's not saying that is he. Shame on you.
What he said was;
the police should've done things American style
Which is open to interpretation
Where an individual, regardless of colour/race/sexual orientation/handedness, has half hacked off the head of another person in the public domain, and is continuing to hack off the remainder of the connection with a very sharp implement, the responsible authority has the approval to terminate said assailant to prevent further loss/injury to other citizens.
Which is your interpretation. And in any case you are wrong. The police have the right to use reasonable and appropriate force to protect themselves and the public. They do not have a license to kill.
What I said is;
Further in the Lee Rigby case the police defended themselves, used appropriate force and made arrests. They did not act as judge, jury and executioners as Darrsi would have them.
And indeed the police acted appropriately, and with absolute professionalism in the most extreme of circumstances. Not to mention the suspects actually wanted the police to kill them.
the police should've done things American style
But anyway, as such a statement is open to interpretation, and in an attempt to get this thread back on track, how about this for American style. American style that was studied by the VRU (Violence Reduction Unit) in Scotland.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2016/01/15/major-crime-drops-boston/TrO5ZAhmOD3bFDqdBX8vwN/story.html (https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2016/01/15/major-crime-drops-boston/TrO5ZAhmOD3bFDqdBX8vwN/story.html)
I think in both in Boston and in Scotland the view taken is “Violence is preventable, not inevitable” If you move beyond knee jerk responses real progress is possible and demonstrably achievable.
-
No, he's not saying that is he. Shame on you.
What he said was;
the police should've done things American style
Which is open to interpretation
Where an individual, regardless of colour/race/sexual orientation/handedness, has half hacked off the head of another person in the public domain, and is continuing to hack off the remainder of the connection with a very sharp implement, the responsible authority has the approval to terminate said assailant to prevent further loss/injury to other citizens.
Which is your interpretation. And in any case you are wrong. The police have the right to use reasonable and appropriate force to protect themselves and the public. They do not have a license to kill.
Brilliant....
"Open to interpretation" - but only your interpretation is the right one. Feckin priceless :lol :lol :lol :lol
Now jog on..........
-
"Open to interpretation" - but only your interpretation is the right one. Feckin priceless ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/lol.gif[/url]) ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/lol.gif[/url]) ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/lol.gif[/url]) ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/lol.gif[/url])
Hmmm
the responsible authority has the approval to terminate said assailant to prevent further loss/injury to other citizens.
Is clearly not correct. And nor is it what actually happened. Now is it?
-
I see now it's only Theresa May who thinks cutting police numbers is not linked to the increase in knife crime
-
OK. Xenophobic then.
Maybe the odd argumentative prick from Scotland, you could be right there. ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/rollin.gif[/url])
Dunno why that came oot sae large. :eek
I think it is called shouting :rollin
-
A simple yes or no to my original post would have been good wasn't looking for a debate about who/why it's committed, but how do we stop or control it. Is it just humans who are capable of killing for other reasons than food.
Don’t forget the daleks
-
you talk about them being judge, jury and executioner.... You truly haven't got a clue.
Perhaps you should ask Jean Charles de Menezes' opinion on that.
Or maybe the police who lied and *lied* and LIED to try to cover up the fact that they *MURDERED* an innocent man...
But, I'm sure you'll claim that that was different from shooting someone who may be mentally ill or wants to commit "suicide by cop"...
-
The police are dammed if they do and dammed if they don't by different sections of the of society. Those fire arms officers have split seconds under extreme circumstances to make that judgement whether to fire or not. The majority of society just thankful they are there and it's not us having to make that call. VNA I might be making a habit of this but I agree with you about the officer actions in the Lee Rigby that pair of low life are better in prison having to watch their backs every time they step out their cells one day prison officers wont be on hand to protect them.
-
So the police have apparently now arrested someone over that 17yr old girls random stabbing last weekend.
Obviously very early days yet so no guarantees whatsoever, but he was nicked over 100 miles away from the scene, and if it is him then that wasn't a bad bit of detecting at all.
-
Agreed. The police's best weapon is intelligence. Such as the huge number of terrorist incidents they have foiled.
As Grahamm says though, the problem is when the police do inevitably make mistakes, they cover up.
-
This is what our youth need more of in today's society... A good ole free for all, not a weapon in sight and the good old coppers happily spectating.
Kind of reminds me of some of my family get together's. :lol
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2369040173329425&id=851309201578289 (https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2369040173329425&id=851309201578289)
-
Quote from: dazza on 05 March 2019, 01:25:38 PM
you talk about them being judge, jury and executioner.... You truly haven't got a clue.
Perhaps you should ask Jean Charles de Menezes' opinion on that.
Or maybe the police who lied and *lied* and LIED to try to cover up the fact that they *MURDERED* an innocent man...
But, I'm sure you'll claim that that was different from shooting someone who may be mentally ill or wants to commit "suicide by cop"...
Yes indeed, another reason why the police are perhaps minded to stick to minimum or appropriate use of force.
VNA I might be making a habit of this but I agree with you about the officer actions in the Lee Rigby that pair of low life are better in prison having to watch their backs every time they step out their cells one day prison officers wont be on hand to protect them.
I agree Steve. The Jean Charles de Menezes shooting rightly outraged the nation. Not to mention the lies put out at the time by official sources and further shit stirring by the usual Sun, Mail, Express papers. But the officers arriving on scene at the horrific Lee Rigby murder behaved impeccably under the most stressful and extreme circumstances.
-
([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/z.gif[/url]) Anyway......... knife crime, what's the solution?
Umm sorry aboot tha.
I guess what some of youse foccers are goin tae huv tae geit yer heids roond is that extreme deterrents such as stringing offenders up, or judge, jury and executioner police tactics, short sharp shock and national service or whatever. None of them work and if anything will just make matters worse. Yes, they are crowd pleasing, create attention grabbing headlines and make good macho pish talk doon the pub, but that’s about it.
Afraid if you want results, you’re gonna have tae look at some of the so called do-gooder, wet behind the ears liberal leftie community project approaches. A la Boston and Glasgow VRU initiatives. They have a proven track record of delivering results. Maybe with luck London and England as a whole can learn new tricks along these lines to the benefit of all.
In the short term a police crackdown, stop and search, along with a knife amnesty will help, but without the long-term investment in your communities, which is sadly lacking, you’ll be onto plums.
-
([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/z.gif[/url]) Anyway......... knife crime, what's the solution?
Umm sorry aboot tha.
I guess what some of youse foccers are goin tae huv tae geit yer heids roond is that extreme deterrents such as stringing offenders up, or judge, jury and executioner police tactics, short sharp shock and national service or whatever. None of them work and if anything will just make matters worse. Yes, they are crowd pleasing, create attention grabbing headlines and make good macho pish talk doon the pub, but that’s about it.
Afraid if you want results, you’re gonna have tae look at some of the so called do-gooder, wet behind the ears liberal leftie community project approaches. A la Boston and Glasgow VRU initiatives. They have a proven track record of delivering results. Maybe with luck London and England as a whole can learn new tricks along these lines to the benefit of all.
In the short term a police crackdown, stop and search, along with a knife amnesty will help, but without the long-term investment in your communities, which is sadly lacking, you’ll be onto plums.
Think you'll find that stringing them up will 100% stop them from reoffending.
-
Think you'll find that stringing them up will 100% stop them from reoffending.
Yep, even the ones who didn't do it....
-
([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/z.gif[/url]) Anyway......... knife crime, what's the solution?
Umm sorry aboot tha.
I guess what some of youse foccers are goin tae huv tae geit yer heids roond is that extreme deterrents such as stringing offenders up, or judge, jury and executioner police tactics, short sharp shock and national service or whatever. None of them work and if anything will just make matters worse. Yes, they are crowd pleasing, create attention grabbing headlines and make good macho pish talk doon the pub, but that’s about it.
Afraid if you want results, you’re gonna have tae look at some of the so called do-gooder, wet behind the ears liberal leftie community project approaches. A la Boston and Glasgow VRU initiatives. They have a proven track record of delivering results. Maybe with luck London and England as a whole can learn new tricks along these lines to the benefit of all.
In the short term a police crackdown, stop and search, along with a knife amnesty will help, but without the long-term investment in your communities, which is sadly lacking, you’ll be onto plums.
All that twaddle has been tried before. And failed. Thats why we are where we're at now. Remember Heseltine and his vow to cure the "sink estates". Failed. A ban on selling knifes, failed, since most (I imagine) just get out out of the kitchen drawer. Stop and search, coupled with a deterrent, and meaningful sentencing.
-
All that twaddle has been tried before. And failed
You are right it's been tried before. It's tried and tested in Boston USA and Glasgow Scotland. As a multi angle approach and initiative it continues to be developed. It delivers results.
Remember Heseltine and his vow to cure the "sink estates". Failed. A ban on selling knifes, failed, since most (I imagine) just get out out of the kitchen drawer.
But hey going by that you haven't even bothered to read up on it before condeming it as useless.
Stop and search, coupled with a deterrent, and meaningful sentencing.
Yup, feel free to keep doing the same old stuff that doesn't work.
-
an automatic minimum 5yr prison term for carrying a knife, with no chance of a reduced sentence or appeal.
-
Think you'll find that stringing them up will 100% stop them from reoffending.
Yep, even the ones who didn't do it....
Prevention's better than cure. :lol
-
Think you'll find that stringing them up will 100% stop them from reoffending.
The Judge Dredd series in 2000AD came up with the ultimate end of this: Judge Death (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judge_Death) from a parallel world where it was decided that since all crime was committed by the living, the best way to prevent all crime was to kill everyone...
-
Think you'll find that stringing them up will 100% stop them from reoffending.
The Judge Dredd series in 2000AD came up with the ultimate end of this: Judge Death (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judge_Death) from a parallel world where it was decided that since all crime was committed by the living, the best way to prevent all crime was to kill everyone...
My cousin was in that film :lol
-
an automatic minimum 5yr prison term for carrying a knife, with no chance of a reduced sentence or appeal.
:agree
...by the way VNA - cut the crap with spelling your responses how you speak. You wouldn't type a letter that way so cut the "I'm Scottish" shite out. TW@.....
-
The thing is carrying a knife is not the problem, sticking in someone is.
It's all about context.
If I'm off wild camping, I'll have my trusty bushcraft knife with me along with all my kit.
I've always got a multi tool with me with a blade on it, even driving in London every night.
So, common sense has got to be applied here.
If just carrying a knife equals big jail time the offenders will just carry a large screwdriver or something.
Anything can be a deadly weapon.
-
an automatic minimum 5yr prison term for carrying a knife, with no chance of a reduced sentence or appeal.
:agree
...by the way VNA - cut the crap with spelling your responses how you speak. You wouldn't type a letter that way so cut the "I'm Scottish" shite out. TW@.....
Exactly, as a Scot I find it quite pathetic.
-
Grayling throws away £33 million at Eurotunnel to keep out of court, but Hammond refuses Javid's £15 million request for emergency police budget to tackle knife crime.
Easy to see where this pathetic government's priorities lie.
-
If I'm off wild camping, I'll have my trusty bushcraft knife with me along with all my kit.
If you're wild camping in Stratford High Street they might get a bit suspicious :)
-
Well, your journey has to start somewhere.
And it's not uncommon for me to have my grab bag in my boot comprising of a Bergen full of kit including a knife, axe and folding saw.
Like I say, it's all about context.
-
You are right of course. From what I'm told..... the first question the police ask is 'do you have a valid reason for possessing that item?'
-
that lady from Scotland was on gmtv this morning, cant remember her name, but shes been tackling knife crime for 15 years or so, and successfully. She made some good points to say the least. And big up to her for not accepting the easy attack on austerity..as she pointed out when knife crime was at its worst (2005 I think), there was no austerity.
Its community spirit that she utilised to give a long term solution (ten to fifteen years)
That, thanks to the liberal left, hasn't a hope of being a solution now. But nobody on the telly will be allowed to say that as it will be" racist". Corbyn loves to squeal about fighting for the poor. in truth, he doesn't give a fuck about them, unless they are any other colour than white. Do you think there would have been half the outcry over Grenfell if it had been full of old white pensioners?
The lefts policies both past and in the future if Corbyn gets in are for more immigration. These policies have filled most of the cities with people from other countries who are extremely poor (at least until the benefits roll in)and often with a totally different and far harder outlook than the indigenous native population.
Thats not being racist, its a simple statement of fact.
those on the left have said repeatedly re capital punishment that its not acceptable to you to risk one innocent life to be taken. And yet you have no problem whatsoever risking the lives of countless children like that young girl who got killed the other day by letting anybody and everybody into the country.
Again on the tv, last night they interviewed the remnants of women, children and captured fighters from isis. ten prevent said they were sorry, the other 90percent said they hated us and will find other ways to try to kill us.
and still, Corbyn and the lefties will do all they can to bring them back, rather than admit the failure of their idealogical beliefs.
yes this government is crap. but the alternative are far, far worse, led by a man who only befriends terrorist organisations and other enemies of our country.
London is broken, and hopefully people will see through political parties who create a disease so they can perversely set themselves up as a cure.
Its virtue signalling political pygmy of a mayor will only add to the problem. how much has knife crime gone up on his watch?
So, in conclusion,I don't think there is an answer..
-
Well said Ogri . :thumbup
-
I so hope your wrong ogri because if they don't find an answer a lot of teenage kids that are either dead at the hands of the their killers who will spend a life in prison.
I see the one charged with stabbing the 17 year old to death in Manchester is out on BAIL but as it said on the news he's from a wealthy family.
-
I so hope im wrong too mate. I really do.
-
that lady from Scotland was on gmtv this morning, cant remember her name, but shes been tackling knife crime for 15 years or so, and successfully. She made some good points to say the least. And big up to her for not accepting the easy attack on austerity..as she pointed out when knife crime was at its worst (2005 I think), there was no austerity. These polices were put in place under the then Labour Liberal coalition.
Its community spirit that she utilised to give a long term solution (ten to fifteen years)
Well who was she, What did she say? Yes indeed it was 2005 that knife crime peaked in Scotland. And the VRU initiatives include a good deal of community initiatives, and have experienced a great deal of success. I hope that despite austerity we have managed to keep much of that in place.
As for your following xenophobic rant…..
Do you think there would have been half the outcry over Grenfell if it had been full of old white pensioners?
Personally, I fail to see what the colour of a person’s skin has to do with 70 odd people being burnt alive wholly unnecessarily in a tower block. The Grenfell disaster was an absolute outrage – full stop.
But having said what you have said – an absolutely utterly disgraceful contemptuous comment if ever there was one – well do you think if Grenfell was as you say “full of old white pensioners” Prime Minister May would have managed to find it within herself to go and meet the survivors? I rather think she would have.
I think I’ll leave it at that.
-
...by the way VNA - cut the crap with spelling your responses how you speak. You wouldn't type a letter that way so cut the "I'm Scottish" shite out. TW@.....
It would rather depend on whom I was writing to. English is not the only language spoken in the UK Frosties.
Exactly, as a Scot I find it quite pathetic.
:eek :eek :eek
-
...by the way VNA - cut the crap with spelling your responses how you speak. You wouldn't type a letter that way so cut the "I'm Scottish" shite out. TW@.....
It would rather depend on whom I was writing to. English is not the only language spoken in the UK Frosties.
Exactly, as a Scot I find it quite pathetic.
:eek :eek :eek
Its not even real scotish is it. More like pidgin scotish I would say. Oooh sorry shouldn't say pidgin as it may offend the snowflake virtue signallers.----- Non indigenous identifying as an ethnic language who's first language is other than an indigenous speaking majority population. Ahhh -panic over go back to your kir royal
-
Do you think there would have been half the outcry over Grenfell if it had been full of old white pensioners?
I'm sorry ogri but that's an appalling and insulting statement. I expected better.
What it certainly wasn't full of was rich people. It was a dumping ground for poor people, surrounded by the wealthiest in the country.
If it was occupied by rich people, do you think it would have been clad in cheap flammable material?
-
Its not even real scotish is it.
Scots is the term you are looking for.
-
And scotish doesn't even exist. It's Scottish :lol
Must be one shortbread missing of an entire tin.
-
You get the feeling this thread has been hyjacked.
Back on topic, I have to agree with Ogri48, 5 years for carrying a knife with intent. An 8 inch blade concealed about your person is intent.
Carrying a penknife or a multi tool is not the same as carrying a knife with a blade exceeding 7.62 cm or 3 inches, that is the legal maximum blade size you can carry about your person, but I believe then it has to be folding pocket knife.
If your multi tool has a knife blade that can be locked in the open position it is still illegal to carry it. Any knife that has an automatically opening blade is illegal as is any locking blade knife.
Carrying a knife in the passenger area of a car is unwise, even if it is used for hobby or work related things, best carried in the boot where it can not be reached easily.
The police are not stupid (generally) a lot of Stanley type knives have locking blades the push out of the handle with a shove from a thumb, if you have it in a glove box or door pocket of a car they will be suspicious, if it is in a tool bag or box or even a hobby/ fishing box in the boot it should not be a problem as long as you have not obviously tried to conceal it. Common sense must come into play,
Plus they must make an assessment on the individual concerned
-
Yep I agree with all of that. It must carry a deterrent punishment, even for carrying a knife 'in defence'. As you say, the police aren't stupid.
But there must be other actions. Good friend of mine has just won an award for her theatre group touring schools with an anti - gang production. Money needs to be spent as well.
-
Yep I agree with all of that. It must carry a deterrent punishment, even for carrying a knife 'in defence'. As you say, the police aren't stupid.
But there must be other actions. Good friend of mine has just won an award for her theatre group touring schools with an anti - gang production. Money needs to be spent as well.
Even carrying a knife as you say 'in defence' the inference there is that you will use it, proving intention.
I could not say 'I am carrying a gun because some police do and they sometimes make mistakes so I am carrying it to defend myself', it is the same with a knife.
Hit the stupid shits hard who carrying an illegal blade longer than the legal size or with a flick action or locking blade, the police recognise muppets, they are the ones who usually mouth off to the police and loudly threaten them, saying shit like 'You are dead hard when there is 3 of you, if you were by yourself I would take you down' It is so easy to talk tough when you know that the police will not give them a chance to have a pop, often because they are on camera, or how would a policeman explain that his prisoner the innocent little victim had had the shit beaten out of him.
Put them in the prison for 5 years and there they can then practice all the mouthing off they want.
I agree with education the Anti-Gang theatre is a brilliant idea for children that are in school or members of clubs, it is deterrent from going down that route, but the idiots already on the streets will never hear that message, or would not want to.