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Re: Rear Brake refurb
« Reply #25 on: 31 March 2020, 12:00:24 pm »
 :eek Thanks for the extra info link. That's a lot of grease whacked in that bore.
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« Reply #26 on: 31 March 2020, 12:07:08 pm »
Last min STUPID QUESTION Just about to buy the PISTON ASSY, CALIPER                                                                                            51L-W0057-00 on the fowlers site the kit is for 2 pistons and 4 seals isn't it. And not just for one side ?  :o
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Re: Rear Brake refurb
« Reply #27 on: 31 March 2020, 12:09:48 pm »

As well as the info above this may also help you to.
http://www.redrubbergrease.com/tips-how-to-brake-caliper-failure-repair-with-rebuild-kit.html



Don't follow this advice or use copper grease on the seals, a smear is all that is needed.  I would also recommend you don't reuse any old seals even the caliper body seal it will leak, maybe not straight away but it will, don't say I didn't tell you.  :rolleyes
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Re: Rear Brake refurb
« Reply #28 on: 31 March 2020, 12:14:00 pm »
Last min STUPID QUESTION Just about to buy the PISTON ASSY, CALIPER                                                                                            51L-W0057-00 on the fowlers site the kit is for 2 pistons and 4 seals isn't it. And not just for one side ?  :o


Yes, that part No gives you 2 pistons, dust and main seals.  Well the box I've got in stock has. 
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« Reply #29 on: 31 March 2020, 12:21:00 pm »

As well as the info above this may also help you to.
http://www.redrubbergrease.com/tips-how-to-brake-caliper-failure-repair-with-rebuild-kit.html



Don't follow this advice or use copper grease on the seals, a smear is all that is needed.  I would also recommend you don't reuse any old seals even the caliper body seal it will leak, maybe not straight away but it will, don't say I didn't tell you.  :rolleyes
I if I need to split then I will put in new seals - thank you. But how many do I need and from where do I get em. bandits post is very helpful but I dont lie the look of those new ones. A smear - thanks, I thought there was a bit much in those pictures. Absolutely no copper grease, I have a 500g tub of red rubber grease should last me 1,000 years.       
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Re: Rear Brake refurb
« Reply #30 on: 31 March 2020, 12:33:53 pm »
I if I need to split then I will put in new seals - thank you. But how many do I need and from where do I get em. bandits post is very helpful but I dont lie the look of those new ones.


You need one, as I said in I think it was may first post, Suzuki GS 500 caliper seal fits, order it at the same time from Fowlers






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« Reply #31 on: 31 March 2020, 12:43:58 pm »
I if I need to split then I will put in new seals - thank you. But how many do I need and from where do I get em. bandits post is very helpful but I dont lie the look of those new ones.


You need one, as I said in I think it was may first post, Suzuki GS 500 caliper seal fits, order it at the same time from Fowlers


Ah - so you did - my bad -thank you. I am having a massive wobble on the "kit" because when you click on it the next page only show 1 side https://www.fowlersparts.co.uk/parts/view/51L-W0057-00
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« Reply #32 on: 31 March 2020, 01:02:37 pm »
Ah - so you did - my bad -thank you. I am having a massive wobble on the "kit" because when you click on it the next page only show 1 side https://www.fowlersparts.co.uk/parts/view/51L-W0057-00


You're looking at the wrong bike look here [size=78%]https://www.fowlersparts.co.uk/parts/4165872/fzs600-fazer-5dm7-2000-070-a/rear-disc-and-caliper[/size]  albeit it's the same caliper, I don't know what year or colour yours is so the actual ref may be wrong but all 98- 20 odd bikes are the same parts just colour. 


The drawings are misleading at times and Fowlers don't put all the info in i.e. column Qty used, the part is correct you should get the complete kit for the whole caliper i.e. 2 of everything.  Give them a call if you're unsure they can look in the box or they'll look on the real part catalogue.   
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Re: Rear Brake refurb
« Reply #33 on: 31 March 2020, 01:16:15 pm »
This is another confirmation, these only sell genuine parts for the part No 51W00570000 you get 2 pistons, dust and main seals. 


https://www.motorcyclespareparts.eu/en/yamaha-parts/51lw00570000
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« Reply #34 on: 31 March 2020, 01:33:07 pm »
If splitting the caliper body it requires 2 seals not one.


Put Powerhouse-uk Brakes into your search engine,then bike brakes drop down box,then select brake caliper seal kits then Yamaha seal kits, as said £19.99 complete kit without pistons, the two seals next to the bleed nipples are for the caliper body. You only need to red rubber grease the face of the fluid seal after fitting into bore then the lips of the dust seal before inserting the piston. Copper grease will knacker your new seals, the ceramic grease has been designed as it contains no metal fragments to effect A.B.S systems on cars etc but is a bit more better looking than copper on your caliper & does not effect the braking surface of your pads if it gets on them.           
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« Reply #35 on: 31 March 2020, 01:41:01 pm »
If splitting the caliper body it requires 2 seals not one.


Nope.....one
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« Reply #36 on: 31 March 2020, 01:44:10 pm »
On the fowlers site I can only see the kit with piston seals that include the split seal for the GS500 but I have found one here a webmoto https://www.wemoto.com/bikes/suzuki/gs_500_et/96/picture/seal_for_splitting_rear_caliper_-_per_seal  Is it the correct GS500 ?
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« Reply #37 on: 31 March 2020, 01:47:52 pm »
This is another confirmation, these only sell genuine parts for the part No 51W00570000 you get 2 pistons, dust and main seals. 


https://www.motorcyclespareparts.eu/en/yamaha-parts/51lw00570000
I have spoken to a nice chap called Steve at fowlers and he too initially shared my confusion but then sort of confirmed it was 2 pistons. Normally he could look but is working at home so on his advice I have sent an email and hopefully someone can look in the box for me - as you said Gnasher
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« Reply #38 on: 31 March 2020, 02:07:01 pm »
Just heard back from fowlers and although they can not check right now they are confident it is 2 pistons.
I cannot find the GS500 caliper split washer on fowlers as a separate item I would like to find it on fowlers so I can add it to the order if I can.
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« Reply #39 on: 31 March 2020, 02:16:42 pm »
Just heard back from fowlers and although they can not check right now they are confident it is 2 pistons.
I cannot find the GS500 caliper split washer on fowlers as a separate item I would like to find it on fowlers so I can add it to the order if I can.


Your will need two trust me the GS500E has only one rear piston so only needs one body seal the Fzs600 as you know has two opposing ones look on Yambits & Powerhouse you need two as supplied their in the pic on Powerhouse & Yambits says two required.

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« Reply #40 on: 31 March 2020, 02:28:22 pm »
Your will need two trust me the GS500E has only one rear piston so only needs one body seal the Fzs600 as you know has two opposing ones look on Yambits & Powerhouse you need two as supplied their in the pic on Powerhouse & Yambits says two required.


Matey you're confusing pistons/seals with caliper body seal, which looks like a small washer and seals the gallery between the caliper half here top right one and only one.

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« Reply #41 on: 31 March 2020, 02:32:10 pm »
Your will need two trust me the GS500E has only one rear piston so only needs one body seal the Fzs600 as you know has two opposing ones look on Yambits & Powerhouse you need two as supplied their in the pic on Powerhouse & Yambits says two required.
Matey you're confusing pistons/seals with caliper body seal, which looks like a small washer and seals the gallery between the caliper half here top right one and only one.
One it is then. Could you point me to it on fowlers please. I just keep finding it as a kit and not on its own.
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« Reply #42 on: 31 March 2020, 02:33:56 pm »
I cannot find the GS500 caliper split washer on fowlers as a separate item I would like to find it on fowlers so I can add it to the order if I can.


Here No 2


https://www.fowlersparts.co.uk/parts/5286159/gs500e-v-y-97-00/rear-caliper


It's slightly smaller in O/D but works perfectly fitted loads on them. 
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« Reply #43 on: 31 March 2020, 02:44:23 pm »
Great thanks but maybe i am not looking at the correct picture but its £16.44 and all I will be needing is 1 rubber washer  :eek
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« Reply #44 on: 31 March 2020, 02:53:34 pm »
Great thanks but maybe i am not looking at the correct picture but its £16.44 and all I will be needing is 1 rubber washer  :eek


Oh that's rocketed in price I bought about 30 of them years ago they were less than a £1, nothing surprises me with parts.  If you've got piston pliers and your caliper is as you say and the pistons are moving freely, you should be able to get the pistons out without splitting the body.  It just makes cleaning the seal rebates and fitting new seals a little harder, only you can make the decision.

Try without splitting if you have to you'll just have to bite the bullet and order the seal, Fowlers are good for delivery times. [/size][size=78%]      [/size]
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« Reply #45 on: 31 March 2020, 03:04:39 pm »
Yep think I will get the webmoto one as mentioned in that case. From my research the washer is 10mm x3 mm ?.Fingers crossed I will be ok but just panicking that there will be a total lockdown and I will not be able to do the job for the sake of a stupid little washer  :lol   
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« Reply #46 on: 31 March 2020, 03:45:44 pm »
Your will need two trust me the GS500E has only one rear piston so only needs one body seal the Fzs600 as you know has two opposing ones look on Yambits & Powerhouse you need two as supplied their in the pic on Powerhouse & Yambits says two required.


Matey you're confusing pistons/seals with caliper body seal, which looks like a small washer and seals the gallery between the caliper half here top right one and only one.






O.K then but I don't mean the piston fluid seals or dust seals as I have already stated on two different sites, these are neither & it says two?


  [size=78%]https://yambits.co.uk/fzs600-fazer-brake-caliper-body-fluid-seal-rear-p-92407.html[/size][size=78%]    [/size]
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« Reply #47 on: 31 March 2020, 04:02:07 pm »
Fazersharp, I have never split a caliper to replace seals, I can see how it is probably easier to clean out the seal grooves but I found that by holding one piston in & blowing the other out with a car foot pump hold the piston in with something other than your fingers & prepare to jump as they come out sometimes with force do that side clean grooves fit seals lube seals push piston back in & repeat on the other side.
For blowing out the pistons insert a adaptor that comes with most pumps the long funnel shaped one into the caliper where the brake hose connects. Don't buy your seals from Wemoto as someone on here found they didn't fit.


The adaptor required a rag around it to seal against the caliper may required to get a airtight seal.


https://www.bikestop.co.uk/oxford-air-valve-adaptor-kit?gclid=EAIaIQobChMImN2rgf3E6AIVR5nVCh1NpgthEAQYAiABEgK2ifD_BwE


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« Reply #48 on: 31 March 2020, 04:14:43 pm »
O.K then but I don't mean the piston fluid seals or dust seals as I have already stated on two different sites, these are neither & it says two?


They're wrong, I would suggest you exercise caution when looking at independent aftermarket websites/sellers they often get it wrong.  The same goes for you offering advice to people on how to do things especially brakes when, by your own admission you've never done it and you clearly don't really know what your doing.  :stop [size=78%]    [/size]
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« Reply #49 on: 31 March 2020, 04:27:18 pm »
O.K then but I don't mean the piston fluid seals or dust seals as I have already stated on two different sites, these are neither & it says two?


They're wrong, I would suggest you exercise caution when looking at independent aftermarket websites/sellers they often get it wrong.  The same goes for you offering advice to people on how to do things especially brakes when, by your own admission you've never done it and you clearly don't really know what your doing.  :stop [size=78%]    [/size]




Well really! done plenty of brake seals thanks so don't need any advise from you.