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Bikes, Hints'n'Tips => Fazer 1000/FZ1 corner => Topic started by: Mitch on 12 November 2017, 11:07:52 pm
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Could also be the seals in the caliper doing that and causing that same feeling, If the caliper seals are sticking I would have thought that they would hinder the front wheel from spinning, apply the brakes a few times stationary letting the lever out slowly and try spinning the front wheel, if it spins fine then your guess is probably a good one.
Might be worth checking the brake lever pivot pin to make sure that is free and the pin hole in the handle bar mount is not worn oval as that can cause issues as well.
But as you say it is very low mileage and if there is a lot of rust around the bleed screw then the caliper piston seals are worth checking, so its worth a check to see if they are causing the judder. As the bike is stationary it is not a rolling issue for example warped discs, or a buckled wheel, both of which can cause discs to snag.
good luck.
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Hi mitch.....lever pivot bolt for me too . Although with such low mileage there should'nt be any wear , good thing to check first though , easy to do and cheap to fix.......
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the pads are definitely letting go of the discs, in that there is no heavy binding, or pressure there, but they are still touching, and quickly stop the wheel from spinning freely.
That might just be that the caliper pistons need a clean. If the seals look in good condition you can clean up the pistons, pop some red rubber grease on and put it back together.
Best bet is to clean the caliper pistons first then buy the braided hoses and new fluid. Master cylinder repair kits aren't too expensive but be aware that you may need to buy some long reach circlip pliers to do the job and it will either go well or go badly - look at videos on you tube to get an idea of how it's done. I've done the same job on other bikes and it's not too difficult.
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Could also be the seals in the caliper doing that and causing that same feeling, If the caliper seals are sticking I would have thought that they would hinder the front wheel from spinning, apply the brakes a few times stationary letting the lever out slowly and try spinning the front wheel, if it spins fine then your guess is probably a good one.
Might be worth checking the brake lever pivot pin to make sure that is free and the pin hole in the handle bar mount is not worn oval as that can cause issues as well.
But as you say it is very low mileage and if there is a lot of rust around the bleed screw then the caliper piston seals are worth checking, so its worth a check to see if they are causing the judder. As the bike is stationary it is not a rolling issue for example warped discs, or a buckled wheel, both of which can cause discs to snag.
good luck.
Hmmmm, I was hoping you wouldn't say that! Good point, so I did your, apply the brakes / lever out slowly / spinning the front wheel, and.... well... the pads are definitely letting go of the discs, in that there is no heavy binding, or pressure there, but they are still touching, and quickly stop the wheel from spinning freely. In comparison, the rear lets go, and the wheel spins freely. So from that I think that the front caliper seals have aged, lost their flexibility, and, well, probably need changing, darn it! So as well as probably changing the Master Cylinder Seals, I am going to have to change the Front Caliper Seals as well ! I will try and take a video...
Cheers, Mitch...
Do check the lever pivot pin/BOLT as some have rightly called it before embarking on the more time consuming jobs.
As others have mentioned it is worth popping the pads out (Remember the way they came out and locate them in the same position when they go back in) remove the caliper bolts but don't remove the brake line banjo union get a piece of approximately 15mm to 20mm thick plywood about 50mm wide, length not really important say 250 mm long. Place the ply between the four pistons and slowly pull the brake lever so that the four pistons grip the wood (The ply stops the pistons popping right out) with the piston pushed out to the ply give them a good clean with brake cleaner (Some say you can submerge the whole caliper in a bucket of hot soapy water) and scrub them with a old tooth brush (Or the wife's, but not your own) take you time and thoroughly clean the pistons dry them off and smear them with red rubber grease, don't use ordinary mineral grease as it shags the seals.
Once greased undo the bleed screws on that caliper and firmly twist the piece of ply forcing the pistons back into the caliper body.
Make sure you fit the cleaned caliper back on fork leg/disc with pads back in before you start on the other one, its easy to forget and get carried away and the push the pistons right out of the one you just cleaned, so it's important to refit the first before commencing.
Now if that doesn't solve the juddering you will have very clean and serviced calipers, then look at the master cylinder.
Good luck
keep us informed how you get on. :thumbup
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Remove the lever and grease the point where the lever pushes the master cylinder piston with something like red rubber grease, this is a common problem and often misdiagnosed as a master cylinder issue.
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Remove the lever and grease the point where the lever pushes the master cylinder piston with something like red rubber grease, this is a common problem and often misdiagnosed as a master cylinder issue.
:agree
I use red rubber grease on anything that is likely to be affected by water, firstly it does not attack rubber and it is resistant to both water and most solvents, water eventually turns mineral grease pale in colour and frothy, like condensation does to engine oil, same principle.
I used Red Rubber on the needle bearings in the rear suspension linkages for that very reason, it does not wash out, and it's an area that get hammered by spray from the rear wheel, also on any moving parts that are vulnerable to rain/weather. Brake and clutch lever axis points included. :thumbup
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My bike is coming up to 100,000 miles and I've never changed the seals in either the master cylinder or the callipers. Clean the pistons as described and that's it. The brakes have never been a problem. I very much doubt you have to change seals in everything. You need to try the easy fixes first, grease pivots etc. The maybe master cylinder. It might be cheaper to change to a Brembo from a Mk1 R1. Much less fade.
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I notice you still have rubber hoses on there. Have a good check of them before too long. At the age of them they will be starting to perish and would need to be replaced.
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Good work. A small tip if I may. Latex gloves, saves the fingers and hands, brake fluid is not at all pleasent on the human body
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My bike is coming up to 100,000 miles
WoW !, :eek now that's quite some mileage, great to know how well Fazer Motors last!, the highest mileage Fazer owner I had come across until now, had been 67,000 and still going strong.
My mates Fazer has done over 130,000 miles and still going strong.
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That's a good trick for pushing the pistons out - I have a spare bit of brake hose and a good small compressor. I'll try that next time.
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So, was it all worth it? Are the brakes much better?
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:eek Not sure about the wet and Dry flapper wheel inside the Master Cylinder.
But it sounds as if it did the job OK.
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