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Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
« Reply #25 on: 02 February 2019, 07:15:29 am »
So I contacted Yamaha UK, and because mine was originally a US model it was never tested. The BS of it all is the US/UK/Euro versions of the FZS1000 are all the fucking same in the carb, ignition dept.

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F183609077280

This would make it a UK bike......

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Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
« Reply #26 on: 02 February 2019, 09:24:04 am »
Hey Dazza.
Don't get brought down by all the numpties out there in Facebook-land.
I am sure I speak for all the thou owners on this forum when I say what you are doing regards the ULEZ and TfL is amazing and we are all fully supportive of you.
I live in South Wales and will probably never take my thou into London but I am still behind you all the way.
Keep up the good work mate  :thumbup and all the assholes out there[/size], as Megadeth once sang, can "GO TO HELL" :foc
Take a deep breath, coz it all starts now, when you pull the foccin' pin

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Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
« Reply #27 on: 02 February 2019, 09:46:57 am »
 :agree .......muppets sat behind a keyboard typing sh*t without doing the homework first ,




Great work DAZZA....and not just for yourself if you get the model exempt  . Doing foccers a favour without asking for something in return.......NO, thats not how this forum works , breakfast on me next time we meet   :thumbup

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Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
« Reply #28 on: 02 February 2019, 11:13:12 am »
Like others on here the ulez does not directly affect me but hats off to you dazza for  your efforts on this issue  :thumbup

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Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
« Reply #29 on: 02 February 2019, 02:55:22 pm »
Dazza, take no notice of the twats on Facebook. I'm been in touch with Yamaha and waiting to hear. If its a no I will let people know as you will. Whilst it's a long shot we've got nothing to loose. I bet the twats jump on the bandwagon if it does go through!!

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Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
« Reply #30 on: 02 February 2019, 03:50:46 pm »

whats that old german poem?
"first they came for the socialists and I did not speak out, because I was not a socialist.
 then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist..
then they came for the jews, and I did not speak out because I was not a jew
then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak out for me..."


This kinda shit will affect us all ultimately. The time to fight back is now, not when its too late.
big respect dazz, nicely done mate

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Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
« Reply #31 on: 02 February 2019, 04:38:10 pm »
Yes Facebook idiots who just fire off without thinking :wall


Looks like MAG are doing something with the manufacturers, although whether our models get covered in time is another matter
http://www.mag-uk.org/en/newsdetail/a7395

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Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
« Reply #32 on: 02 February 2019, 04:52:03 pm »
Cheers Foccers, yeah fuck em. I'm still going to fight it regardless of any negative comments.
Still waiting for a response from TFL about getting the whole model exempted.
Had a few things to say about other flaws too ...ie ...the midnight to midnight cut off and how it unfairly discriminates against night shift workers and why it needs to be 24/7
Not to mention the concession the cabbies have been given while they continue to belch out plumes of black smoke day and night.

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Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
« Reply #33 on: 02 February 2019, 05:09:56 pm »
So I contacted Yamaha UK, and because mine was originally a US model it was never tested. The BS of it all is the US/UK/Euro versions of the FZS1000 are all the fucking same in the carb, ignition dept.

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F183609077280

This would make it a UK bike......
Avoid going down this route. Yamaha won't issue a certificate if the frame has been changed.
Better off waiting to see if TFL will exempt the whole model

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Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
« Reply #34 on: 02 February 2019, 07:27:09 pm »
How’s this, I don’t go to London on my bike, but I might want to, Same as I might want to go to Birmingham or York or other cities. I will give Gazza a £5 towards the coc on the basis he gets one and shares it with us or as said TFL add the bike to the exempt list. A few more of us chipping in and Gazzas not out of pocket.

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Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
« Reply #35 on: 02 February 2019, 09:16:11 pm »
yup id be in for five squid..

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Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
« Reply #36 on: 02 February 2019, 10:33:16 pm »
...me too.
Take a deep breath, coz it all starts now, when you pull the foccin' pin

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Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
« Reply #37 on: 02 February 2019, 11:39:21 pm »
Nice one lads, rest assured if I can get a certificate of conformity, I will be pressing TFL to exempt all Gen 1 Fazers and although it's not about the money, the gesture is well  appreciated.
As for MAG, I don't know what stage they're at or even if the gen1 Fazer is a priority of theirs.
I will copy and paste the reply from Yamaha regarding the CoC and TFL regarding the exemption and if it includes all the models.

It's always good to know in a world of everyone trying to fuck you over, the biking community is still tight on here at least.  :thumbup
« Last Edit: 02 February 2019, 11:49:32 pm by dazza »

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Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
« Reply #38 on: 03 February 2019, 10:43:20 am »
Dazza,
Like others have already posted, I too have no need to ride into London now, but would have prior to retiring. Members on here are very appreciative of the steps you've taken to hopefully achieve CoC status for our Gen 1's. They, and I, would like to contribute in some way as a token of  appreciation of your efforts. This is very refreshing in a world with an attitude of "sit back and let someone else do the legwork".
If you turn down the offer of contributions, then there's an awful lot of breakfasts you're going to have to chow down :lol .
Well done fellah :thumbup .
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Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
« Reply #39 on: 03 February 2019, 12:30:51 pm »
I too would be very happy to contribute. I’d sooner give you my money than the Bastids at TFL!!

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Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
« Reply #40 on: 03 February 2019, 01:29:36 pm »
Just message your PayPal details Dazza we will pay when you want.

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Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
« Reply #41 on: 03 February 2019, 01:52:29 pm »
Nice one lads, rest assured if I can get a certificate of conformity, I will be pressing TFL to exempt all Gen 1 Fazers
This would be welcome, as I could potenially get my US model lumped into that list.

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Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
« Reply #42 on: 04 February 2019, 11:24:11 am »
Lets hope dazza is successful with TFL.


I tried the TFL vehicle checker webpage
https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra-low-emission-zone/vrm-checker-ulez


I put my FZS1000 Reg No into the checker, and it came up with......  "You are subject to the ULEZ.  ".   


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Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
« Reply #43 on: 04 February 2019, 12:23:47 pm »
This is what Google tells us regarding NOx levels - Diesel cars must meet Euro 6 regulations to be exempt from the ULEZ charge. This had been set around the nitrogen oxide (NOx) emissions levels of the engines, at 0.08g/km. The ULEZ standard is: Euro 3 for motorcycles.23 Oct 2017

Dazza's bike is 0.09g/KM, my 05 is 0.077g/KM. so long as TFL are not looking at any other obnoxious gas outputs it looks like we should be free. Just need to jump through some hops now!!

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Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
« Reply #44 on: 04 February 2019, 04:04:44 pm »
got my email today

we can confirm your machine is euro 1 with a NOx output of 0.09 (g/km)

so mines good and as above

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« Reply #45 on: 04 February 2019, 04:43:42 pm »
The TFL site says they must meet Euro 3 and suggests that will mean registered after July 2007.

But looking at the detail of Euro 3 https://www.transportpolicy.net/standard/eu-motorcycles-emissions/
That means :
Over 150cc 0.15 g/km
Less than 150cc 0.80 g/km

So that's the target.
Seems a bit daft that little bikes have a higher limit :rolleyes




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« Reply #46 on: 04 February 2019, 08:36:42 pm »
I've written to TFL asking them if my 0.09 g/km bike complies. I've also asked if it doesn't then why not? I'll update when I hear.

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« Reply #47 on: 04 February 2019, 08:54:38 pm »

I've just been reading the emission regulations, see below:
[font=&amp][/font]
[font=&amp]Two-WheelersCO (g/km)HC (g/km)NOx (g/km) [/l]  Euro 2 2004.04.01 < 150 cc 5.50 1.20 0.30   ≥ 150 cc 5.50 1.00 0.30   Euro 3 2006.01.01 < 150 cc 2.00 0.80 0.15   ≥ 150 cc 2.00 0.30 0.15[/size][/font]Whilst we meet the NOx I think we are going to fail the CO and HC. Those are the two outputs that have changed dramatically between Euro 1, 2 & 3. Lets see what TFL say.

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« Reply #48 on: 04 February 2019, 09:08:45 pm »

Sorry, format gone bad.


Euro 2 -  CO - 5.50          HC - 1.0          NOx - 0.3


Euro 3 -  CO - 2.0            HC - 0.3          NOx - 0.15


Look at the reduction in CO and HC between Euro 2 and Euro 3


The certificate of conformity will show my 2004 Fazer is Euro 1 & my 2005 Fazer is Euro 2 albeit both having a lower NOx value than required to comply.

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« Reply #49 on: 04 February 2019, 10:03:35 pm »
As far as I'm aware TFL are only measuring the NOx.
CO2 affects the climate (allegedly) but isn't a pollutant. We exhale CO2 and plants breathe it  :)

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