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Bikes, Hints'n'Tips => FZS600 Fazer => Topic started by: RustyDownPipes on 27 September 2011, 09:32:50 pm
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Well it looks like the rust is going to win this battle...
Has anyone replaced their feed pipe and if so recommend a supplier? One option is to have HEL make one up (kaching ££££ :eek ).
I've googled the backside off 'FZS 600 oil pipe' with no success...I can find one for the Thunderpussy but only one outfit sell them.
Thanks.
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I've never had an issue with mine although I do keep an eye on it.
Have a look in the downloads section, download the parts manual for your bike an get a price off yamaha for a new one.
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I think this is what your asking about 5RT131610000, £45 from yamaha.
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Hi
Did you sort out your oil pipe? as mine has gone and I've been told £70 for a new one.
Tried soldering it up with my plumbing tools, only lasted 2 weeks
Thanks
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For £50 I would replace it and the 4 sealing washers. It is the main oil supply under pressure to the cams, to important to do anything else with it. The original one for the 1998 to 2001 was superseded by part number 5RT131610000 as stated by Subby.
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Hey Rustydownpipes, how did you get on? Any joy in finding a replacement and if so where did you source it from? I'm on the hunt for one as well.
Cheers
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Hi, I know this is an old topic but my pipe also appears to have gone. It's quite rusty and cleaning the bike with gunk and then riding it has shown me a whole new World of pain, so much oil!
The part appears to be no longer in stock by anyone although I will try my local Yamaha dealer tomorrow when they're open. Did anyone have any luck in sourcing alternative suppliers? It seems strange that Yamaha would stop supplying something that is so important!!
Thanks in anticipation.
Paul
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This is interesting1 Recently when I had the front end stripped out I had a go at cleaning front of engine. Enquired about replacement oil feed pipe @ Yamaha main dealer only to be told that item now discontinued by Yamaha.( My bike is a 2000 model registered in 2001). Wonder if the part number quoted is still available?
Was lucky with mine-managed to clean most of rust off & repaint-no leaks so far-certainly wouldnt want that pipe to fail :eek
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Which bit are you talking about?
I might have one, as I have an old engine in bits outside.
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Which bit are you talking about?
I might have one, as I have an old engine in bits outside.
Steel oil feed pipe runs up the front of the block to the cylinder head. About 10mm dia.
Has anyone talked to Goodridge, Areoquip etc about a replacement line. One of them used to supply lines in the states for modified VF750 race bikes. The VF ate camshafts due to poor oil supply so they tapped into the main oil gallery and ran the feed lines externally.
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwimo-fKxrPOAhXkCcAKHZYzDq8QFggzMAM&url=http%3A%2F%2Fboston.g4.net%2F~cdc%2Fmagna%2Ftech%2520section%2520and%2520issues%2Foil%2520modification%2Fthe%2520oil%2520mod.htm&usg=AFQjCNE3SKdghyV8K-weGU9QcyDwq9KLbw (https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwimo-fKxrPOAhXkCcAKHZYzDq8QFggzMAM&url=http%3A%2F%2Fboston.g4.net%2F~cdc%2Fmagna%2Ftech%2520section%2520and%2520issues%2Foil%2520modification%2Fthe%2520oil%2520mod.htm&usg=AFQjCNE3SKdghyV8K-weGU9QcyDwq9KLbw)
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I'm going to risk fitting a braided line, worst case I get a couple of blown cams. Best, I get to sell everyone in the world a nice shiny oil feed kit and retire early lol
Anyone want to post me an old rusty oil feed line for measuring?
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I thought about the stainless braided hose option when I replaced mine a couple of years ago but the bolts and banjo fittings are not the same as brake ones. The oil pipe bolts are parallel with no groove round them by the hole the oil comes through but the banjo fitting has a groove inside it for the oil to flow round. If you used the original bolts and brake hose banjo fittings no oil would get to the head! I have a feeling there was another issue with bolts different thread or length for the banjo part.
Any changes in the flow through the pipe could result in increased flow to the head but possibly lower flow/pressure to crank bearings or reduced flow to head particularly when oil is cold.
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I thought about the stainless braided hose option when I replaced mine a couple of years ago but the bolts and banjo fittings are not the same as brake ones. The oil pipe bolts are parallel with no groove round them by the hole the oil comes through but the banjo fitting has a groove inside it for the oil to flow round. If you used the original bolts and brake hose banjo fittings no oil would get to the head! I have a feeling there was another issue with bolts different thread or length for the banjo part.
Any changes in the flow through the pipe could result in increased flow to the head but possibly lower flow/pressure to crank bearings or reduced flow to head particularly when oil is cold.
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I haven't seen one and not at home until the weekend but I find it hard to believe Yamaha haven't used an off the shelf fastener, OK so it's unlike a brake type banjo but its still a banjo of sorts. I've looked at male male AN fittings and unless Yamaha did make there own fittings I bet it wouldn't be a million miles away from what you would need to make up a line.
I've emailed Goodridge so will see what the suggest
Did you look into different types of AN fittings. A male male could be the answer depending how the oil is fed into the original fitting.
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Repeating myself, must remember to proof read next time :wall
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I didn't do a lot of research at the time as I was just looking to do a temporary repair to keep the bike on the road until new oil pipe arrived and I had brake hose correct length in garage. If it had worked I would have considered the stainless hose route to avoid future corrosion issues with the new pipe but once I found it wouldn't just be a straight swap and concerns over changing the oil flow around the engine stopped me looking any further
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Umm, this is not good news for me. My all weather 66k FZS600 looks like it will need an oil pipe at some point, very quick scout of eBay shows no used parts and as mentioned the new part is not available now.
If you can get a fix from other sources JoeBloggs i'd buy one for sure.
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If it is of any interest the thread on the banjo bolt is M10 X 1.25mm pitch, which is the standard metric fine pitch for a 10mm thread. The hole in the side of the bolt is approx 1.35mm diameter. Some engines have a built in restriction to the oil feed to the cams but I don't know if this applies to the FZS600, but either way it shouldn't bother you. I wouldn't have thought the 1.35mm hole in each bolt would be small enough to act as a restricter.
Have you considered making or having made locally a replacement steel or copper pipe? It wouldn't be a difficult job for any engineering place with your old pipe to copy or an engine to match it to. If necessary you could even use the existing banjos after un-brazing them.
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Still no reply from Goodridge so will call them, email probably ended up with the sale's dept and I think I really need to speak to technical.
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When I was enquiring about availability of this pipe at Yamaha main dealer i was told item discontinued by Yamaha in Japan.
Now I realise Yamaha are not in business to keep "antique" Yamahas on the road but there are a lot of our Fazers still in regular use and many potentially facing this problem. Would a foccer with the time & access to an engineering shop be willing to get a quote for batch production? (along the lines of the silicone coolant hose group buy).
From memory Yamahas official retail price for this pipe was around £56 and then its necessary to add in cost of union banjo bolts & sealing washers.
I for one would willingly order one since mine will fail in time, as will other members, & it seems ridiculous that they should discontinue such a vital part-maybe they think we will all abandon our Fazers & rush down dealers to order a new bike! Obviously for reasons of economy it would be necessary for a number of us to order to justify tooling costs etc.
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I'm after the same part for my 200 Fazer, it suddenly burst this morning, as was spotted by the MOT tester. So far my search for a pipe has come up empty. Has anyone on here had any luck?
There is a tiny hole in this section of the pipe....
(http://i.imgur.com/gQlpfdb.jpg)
Bottom of the pipe, seems ok, but looks repaired?
(http://i.imgur.com/T2np6L5.jpg)
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I'm after the same part for my 200 Fazer, it suddenly burst this morning, as was spotted by the MOT tester. So far my search for a pipe has come up empty. Has anyone on here had any luck?
There is a tiny hole in this section of the pipe....
([url]http://i.imgur.com/gQlpfdb.jpg[/url])
Bottom of the pipe, seems ok, but looks repaired?
([url]http://i.imgur.com/T2np6L5.jpg[/url])
If your bikes off the road and the pipe is shot would you be prepared to send it to me. I'll get my local engineer to have a butchers at it and see what he can knock up. Will need the top and bottom banjo bolts to measure too
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Someone with a break flaring tool could probably make something up using steel brake line. The only tricky part might be getting fittings that have the same thread size as the current banjo bolts
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Can someone please send me an old burst one so I can get some new ones done. Had/have this problem with xj diversions easily fixed . Simply fix remove pipe cut out knackered section replace with decent hose and refit with new washers check xj600 diversion mods it's common, however taking the old pipe to pirtek is a better idea they use stainless hoses and very fancy fittings. Bottom line is its not a disaster just a pain
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I asked a breaker i they had any scrap pipes to no avail.
I would defo get one if made for the group for peice of mind. My brother mentioned Pirtek but i don't want to remove mine at the moment, as its currently working. Hopefully CNW180 will pass on his broken pipe.
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Bottom of the pipe, seems ok, but looks repaired?
([url]http://i.imgur.com/T2np6L5.jpg[/url])
Repaired? Do you mean the bit that looks like a patch welded over it? That's a small bracket that bolts on the front of the crankcase.
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Take the pipe off, cut the pipe where the hole is and push a rubber fuel pipe over both cut ends to rejoin the pipe. Use jubilee clips to secure it and job done.
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Yeah, the bit in the middle is a bracket..... I managed to get a used one from a breakers today for £10, but it doesnt have much life left in it. It will do for now..... :)
In the meantime, the search for a new one continues, might have to get it made, however I now have a set of spare bolts and the old pipe!
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Yeah, the bit in the middle is a bracket..... I managed to get a used one from a breakers today for £10, but it doesnt have much life left in it. It will do for now..... :)
In the meantime, the search for a new one continues, might have to get it made, however I now have a set of spare bolts and the old pipe!
Nice idea, but the pipe was a write off by the time I got it off the bike. it was split, a couple of inches long!
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Take the pipe off, cut the pipe where the hole is and push a rubber fuel pipe over both cut ends to rejoin the pipe. Use jubilee clips to secure it and job done.
I'm not saying you can't do this but my brother lunched an FJ1100 engine doing the same thing although it was for the oil cooler hose.
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I just found this in my bits bucket outside. It has a couple of minor dinks which won't affect it's performance or life and with a bit of wire wool, would come up quite nice and shiny.
Make me an offer if you like, I'm in NW London
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Joe - How? All you are doing is bridging the rust hole. The only reason to cut the pipe is to let you feed the rubber hose over as it wont fit over the banjos.
Obviously, the rubber pipe needs to be able to handle the temperature too.
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Joe - How? All you are doing is bridging the rust hole. The only reason to cut the pipe is to let you feed the rubber hose over as it wont fit over the banjos.
Obviously, the rubber pipe needs to be able to handle the temperature too.
Oil pressure blew the hose off. With a plain pipe there was nothing preventing the pipe from slipping off.
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Had a chat with my local engineer today, he thinks there would be no problem using a flexible hose. He's going to remove mine and check what fittings would be needed to replace the stock items
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Had a chat with my local engineer today, he thinks there would be no problem using a flexible hose. He's going to remove mine and check what fittings would be needed to replace the stock items
Top man
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Joe - You would obviously need to make sure the surfaces were spotlessly clean of oil and make sure the jubilee clips are tight. The pipe shouldn't come off if done properly.
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Had a chat with my local engineer today, he thinks there would be no problem using a flexible hose. He's going to remove mine and check what fittings would be needed to replace the stock items
The difficulty with using a flexible hose is that it's hard to control the route it takes accurately. There are lots of things it can rub against, some of them very hot.
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Had a chat with my local engineer today, he thinks there would be no problem using a flexible hose. He's going to remove mine and check what fittings would be needed to replace the stock items
The difficulty with using a flexible hose is that it's hard to control the route it takes accurately. There are lots of things it can rub against, some of them very hot.
I thought about the routing and heat from the exhaust, if you took the hose around the side of the block then down this would solve that issue, hose is cheap enough, fittings are the biggest expense. Hardest job for me would be making it look like it was meant to be there not just hanging off the bike.
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The steady point for the existing pipe can be used to keep the new pipe away from most of the exhaust but you would have to be careful what angle the top banjo fitting ends up at and the curve of the pipe
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Thinking about it, a p-clip off one of the exhaust studs would hold it place (assuming you can get the focer undone)
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anyone tried the fzr600 oil pipe looks very similar and plenty on ebay
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anyone tried the fzr600 oil pipe looks very similar and plenty on ebay
Different part numbers?
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Looking at the ones on eBay the FZR ones look like they have more bends so no guarantee they will fit and no way to tell without trying one.
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it was just a thought as in pretty sure it could be made to fit without too much hassle also what about the gsxr cam oil pipe wonder how close they would be
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One (used) available on ebay (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/112225999148) at the moment...
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One (used) available on ebay ([url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/112225999148[/url]) at the moment...
I followed the link in Fazeriders post/link to look at the oil link pipe, Looks OK, but it has been tarted up for sale it say Used item, but looking at the mating faces on the Banjo unions and the central mounting bracket there is not a mark on them, zooming in on the pipe you can see rust on it but looks like the whole thing has been sprayed with silver paint to tart it up, prob still OK as looking at mine it has some signs of rust on it too.
But I do think a lot of sale hype and scaremongering is going on in the advert. take a look see what you think. :rolleyes
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would that style pipe work? not that exact one just using it as an example http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Universal-Motorcycle-Brake-Oil-Hose-Line-Banjo-Fitting-Lightweight-60cm-24-/131689106735?hash=item1ea9484d2f:g:cz8AAOSwc1FXbk7E (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Universal-Motorcycle-Brake-Oil-Hose-Line-Banjo-Fitting-Lightweight-60cm-24-/131689106735?hash=item1ea9484d2f:g:cz8AAOSwc1FXbk7E)
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One (used) available on ebay ([url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/112225999148[/url]) at the moment...
I followed the link in Fazeriders post/link to look at the oil link pipe, Looks OK, but it has been tarted up for sale it say Used item, but looking at the mating faces on the Banjo unions and the central mounting bracket there is not a mark on them, zooming in on the pipe you can see rust on it but looks like the whole thing has been sprayed with silver paint to tart it up, prob still OK as looking at mine it has some signs of rust on it too.
But I do think a lot of sale hype and scaremongering is going on in the advert. take a look see what you think. :rolleyes
Yes, I misread the listing initially and thought it was a new one.
Posted, then realised it wasn't new, but could only amend the post not delete it.
Repainted s/h ones do pop up from time to time, but how much metal is left under the new paint is anyone's guess.
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would that style pipe work? not that exact one just using it as an example [url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Universal-Motorcycle-Brake-Oil-Hose-Line-Banjo-Fitting-Lightweight-60cm-24-/131689106735?hash=item1ea9484d2f:g:cz8AAOSwc1FXbk7E[/url] ([url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Universal-Motorcycle-Brake-Oil-Hose-Line-Banjo-Fitting-Lightweight-60cm-24-/131689106735?hash=item1ea9484d2f:g:cz8AAOSwc1FXbk7E[/url])
I'm with His Dudeness on this one if these steel braided pipes can withhold the forces involved in hydraulics braking systems then I would imagine that the pressures involved within the oil pressure system on a motorcycle would not pose a problem. The only real difference is that the engine oil would be quite a high temperature as apposed to brake fluid.
You could also have one colour coded to suit the braided pipes on your braking system.
seems to me to be win/win.
I am certainly going to look into it, you know ask the question.
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you can buy high pressure braided oil pipes an fittings on ebay
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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AUDI-A3-A4-A6-1-8-20V-TURBO-STAINLESS-STEEL-BRAIDED-TURBO-OIL-FEED-HOSE-PIPE-YT-/152292231314?hash=item2375530892:g:6qIAAOxyVLNSqIba (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AUDI-A3-A4-A6-1-8-20V-TURBO-STAINLESS-STEEL-BRAIDED-TURBO-OIL-FEED-HOSE-PIPE-YT-/152292231314?hash=item2375530892:g:6qIAAOxyVLNSqIba)
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The only thing I'd wonder is whether the diameter of the original pipe is important for creating oil pressure in the top end or is it just an oil supply?
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Could these be used I wonder with the correct type of hose & clamps,
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Metric-BANJO-x-Hose-Tail-Fitting-Diesel-Petrol-Oil-Tube-Pipe-Fuel-Filter-Head-/280778348867 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Metric-BANJO-x-Hose-Tail-Fitting-Diesel-Petrol-Oil-Tube-Pipe-Fuel-Filter-Head-/280778348867)
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The correct type of hose to use would be a PTFE or Teflon lined, braided hose which are usually clamped or hydraulically crimped to the end fitting. Stainless fittings would be best as alloy fittings aren't suitable for road use because of their aversion to road salt.
http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/motorsport/fuel-hose/automotive-plumbing-solutions-100-series-ptfe-lined-fuel-oil-hose-with-stainless-overbraid (http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/motorsport/fuel-hose/automotive-plumbing-solutions-100-series-ptfe-lined-fuel-oil-hose-with-stainless-overbraid)
Hef. :)
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I think you'd want a banjo with a compression type fitting like you see on brake hose's just in case, not sure how long your engine would last if one of the hose ends came off or how long you would stay on if your hose managed to coat your front tyre in engine oil.
The engineer helping me with my bike has said he will have a look at fitting a braided hose although he hasn't actually pulled the old one off yet to see if off the shelf items will do the job.
Will be taking the engine to him for some helicoils in the new year so will ask him to look into it then