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General => General => Topic started by: lew600fazer on 04 December 2014, 12:26:19 pm
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I wonder when we will see fuel prices like these in the UK or Spain for that matter.
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There was a petrol station in Chelsea in the news yesterday that was charging £1:79.9p per litre of super-unleaded! :eek.
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£1.79, Well suppose they can afford to pay that kind on money down there, not like us poor northerners. :rollin
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Can't help but notice that it has no cars!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2063971/Is-expensive-petrol-Britain-Its-dear-price-isnt-shown-board.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2063971/Is-expensive-petrol-Britain-Its-dear-price-isnt-shown-board.html)
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1.15 at moment and falling lol
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Filled my pick up........up.........yesterday, always run it till the light comes on and a bit more, its been taking just over £50 , yesterday........£42..........I like that :thumbup
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I always fill my Mazda6 right up to full when it gets down to about 1/2 way between 1/4 tank & empty,which usually lasts approx 3 weeks,but just lately I've been topping it up more often while the prices are lower (thinking they might rocket up again soon).I'm now wondering how much of the potential saving I am losing because i'm carrying more fuel weight around for longer :rolleyes
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I think the price is due to go up in jan/feb, not the oil companys this time but the government. ?...vaguely remember it being mentioned in the last budget.... :thumbdown
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But they're also talking about further drops in oil prices passing on to the pumps, so will it balance out? I can see there being some very disgruntled folks if it doesn't.
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But they're also talking about further drops in oil prices passing on to the pumps, so will it balance out? I can see there being some very disgruntled folks if it doesn't.
What can you do though, not buy it?
They can do whatever they want!
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Top fuel saving tips....
http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/travel/ (http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/travel/)
(in the 'Cheap petrol & diesel' category)
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I just say enjoy it while it lasts
It's like the feeling when you find a fiver in an old pairs of jeans. I found £20 in my bike jacket i was made up :)
We dont often get such special treats
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I was $1.979 a litre yesterday, quite happy as it's dropped from about $2.20 or so over the course of the last month.
Works out at 0.979 quid a litre.
:D
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Filled the car up yesterday €1.11 a litre Deisel. Went out on the bike €1.18 a litre and that was at a very expensive BP station Have seen it a low as €1.15. So what excuse will Osbourne have for putting 3p on fuel duty in the new year. Britain has it's own oil not sure how much oil Spain produces, typical rip off fecking Britain.
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Fuel duty will be frozen until at least after the next election (May 2015)
https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/chancellor-george-osbornes-autumn-statement-2014-speech (https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/chancellor-george-osbornes-autumn-statement-2014-speech)
so just enjoy :)
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Fuel prices are dropping because there is a glut of oil at the moment due to over production. The oil firms will produce less now to force the price per barrel back up. The company I work for make the parts that sit on the seabed below the rigs and we have no significant orders for next year or 2016, but we were flat opt for the last 3 years.
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I met an economist the other day - lecturer in Uni- and he reckons that the price may stay low for a while. His theory - the Saudis are trying to make it uneconomical to frack shale for oil and gas. The process is very dear and if the price of oil doesn't make it worth while they will have to stop. The US is self sufficient for oil due to fracking so this is seen as a big threat to OPEC. How much is behind this? Who knows
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BP have just signed up for a fracking deal off shore Qartar for LNG gas.
There could be a lot in what you say though. The Saudis are to late to pull that stroke. The yanks are already commited to fracking and are using it as a lever to piss off the Russians as they are shipping gas to Europe now. When Putin threatens to shut the gas valve to EU countries there is a very good chance the EU may say go ahead then but if you do, do not bother opening it again as we have an alternative supplier.
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I think what's quite clear, is that the price is not down to the natural market forces of supply and demand. It's a political/commercial weapon, and us poor sods will end up paying whatever we're told to pay !
Hope low prices last until next summer :woot
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Here's a thought.
I wonder what the price of petrol was the last time oil was 60-65 dollars a barrel.
I don't know, but I'd guess it would have been well under one quid a litre.
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I think what's quite clear, is that the price is not down to the natural market forces of supply and demand. It's a political/commercial weapon, and us poor sods will end up paying whatever we're told to pay !
Hope low prices last until next summer :woot
im with you here....I was wondering earlier about how much of this is to hurt Russia too as they are now struggling again with the drop in what they can sell their oil and gas for.
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Would certainly hurt an independent Scotland
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Would certainly hurt an independent Scotland
Now now Lew, stop poking VNA. :lol
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It's gonna hurt the UK Lew, big time.
Loads of North Sea Investment will be on hold shortly.
If the price keeps falling, they might stop some production.
And yes it's gonna hurt Scotland, looks likes thousands and thousands of job losses up here.
And perhaps worse than that is that the last thing the world needs right now is cheap fossil fuels. It's gonna bite us all.
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Would certainly hurt an independent Scotland
Now now Lew, stop poking VNA. :lol
Sorry Slappy, could not resist, suddenly though it is going to hurt the UK now, but I thought it was Scottish oil?? Do not see how it is going to hurt the Motorists south of the border. We will be fracking our own gas soon enough, Fossil fuels, who gives a fuck the planet is bollocked anyway.
:evil :pokefun
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Sorry Slappy, could not resist, suddenly though it is going to hurt the UK now, but I thought it was Scottish oil?? Do not see how it is going to hurt the Motorists south of the border. We will be fracking our own gas soon enough, Fossil fuels, who gives a fuck the planet is bollocked anyway.
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Well yeah the UK economy is focced, focced through decades of following a neo liberal privatise everything agenda.
I'd love it to be Scotland's oil, even at 60 dollars a barrel. We'll take it.
As for foc the planet. There is not a lot you can do to destroy the planet Lew, it will survive and continue what ever we do. What is possible, is that the human race and great many other species may become extinct.
And of course whilst we won't be the first species to become extinct, we will be the first in the history of our planet to not only know it was going to happen, but remarkably we have the ability to stop it from happening, but it seems the likely hood is that we will keep our fingers firmly on the self destruct button.
Enjoy your cheap fill ups whilst you can Lew.
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im with you here....I was wondering earlier about how much of this is to hurt Russia too as they are now struggling again with the drop in what they can sell their oil and gas for.
Oil prices dropping to half their level of just a few months ago doesn't strike me as a ploy to hurt Putin. Isn't it all to do with the U.S. going nuts for fracking, and so being able to tap in to massive reserves? But it has destroyed Russia's economy for sure by the look of things. But Europe's is in turmoil, and the Chinese economy is on a slow down. So where is it all headed? China was supposed to be the new giant, is it just a blip for them?
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We all know we need to stop using fossil fuels. So when the major economies like China , Korea,India, America take a major step in the reduction of there use maybe I will give a foc.
Scotland should set the example in being at the fore front of sending us back into the dark ages and stop all oil and gas production.
Start ploughing the fields using horses again, hand sowing seeds , stick a cork up a cows arse to cut down on green house gases, oh we could bottle that and use it for cooking with? still that would be using a green house gas, so we can't do that then.
The problem with society is we moan about causing the death of the planet, but really none of us really give a foc so long as we can flick a switch and the kettle boils, turn the thermostat up and we get to feel a bit warmer. Hopefully the price of oil will continue to fall and we can still buy cheap petrol so we can go out for a jolly on our Fazers.
Mass unemployment VNA predicts, well man has always found a way out of that dilema. We are well overdue a major world conflict so problem solved. There is no unemployment during a world war. Just think as well if we survive, the building industry will pickup , the DIY shops will be doing a roaring trade.
We will then build a land fit for heros, ah! I thought we did that last time round???or was that ww1.
So all in all with the falling price of oil we are all focced. Let's hope you get a decent summer in the UK at least you will be able to enjoy some of the cheap deals that will be available up in Scotland as the economy will have gone into meltdown.
VNA take a happy pill for foc's sake.
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VNA take a happy pill for foc's sake.
Prescriptions are free in Scotland so he won`t even have to pay for it.
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VNA take a happy pill for foc's sake.
Prescriptions are free in Scotland so he won`t even have to pay for it.
One of the reasons the English should feel pissed off then, same thing in Wales free prescriptions and dental care, ah crap I am going to cause another row. :pokefun
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im with you here....I was wondering earlier about how much of this is to hurt Russia too as they are now struggling again with the drop in what they can sell their oil and gas for.
Oil prices dropping to half their level of just a few months ago doesn't strike me as a ploy to hurt Putin. Isn't it all to do with the U.S. going nuts for fracking, and so being able to tap in to massive reserves? But it has destroyed Russia's economy for sure by the look of things. But Europe's is in turmoil, and the Chinese economy is on a slow down. So where is it all headed? China was supposed to be the new giant, is it just a blip for them?
I think Russsia is just a by product of what is rearly happening, its an OPEC plan to destroy american fracking production because it is such an expensive way to produce, some producers need oil to be over £100 a barrel to be viable. OPEC has just met and decided not to cut production which would of put the price up which would help the american wells.
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If OPEC are doing that , the Americains will be quite happy to cap there wells and buy cheap OPEC oil. At the end of the day the Americains and even the UK will still have their own Gas waiting to be fracked so the ragheads will lose out in the long run, foc em!!only a bunch of foccing sand dancers anyway. Another point seeing as I am on me soap box. If Mosses and his tribe were supposed to have been Gods choosen people why the foc did he not turn right when parted the RED Sea. If he had guess who would have had the oil??? :evil
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Im sure I remember (dont I )some time ago that the price of petrol sort of went along with the price of a barrel or so it seemed for a time, so when it was £60 a barrel petrol was 60p a L £80 barrel -- £80p a L and so on.
There is no doubt that it gos up instantly but slowly comes down but never as down as it should so when it gos up again its already starting from a higher point.
Also when it gos up over night why is this when the station has brought the fuel that is sitting in the tank at a lower price anyway, it should go up on their next fill up on the higher price they pay.
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Prescriptions are free in Scotland so he won`t even have to pay for it.
One of the reasons the English should feel pissed off then, same thing in Wales free prescriptions and dental care, ah crap I am going to cause another row. :pokefun
I get free prescriptions in England :D
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Prescriptions are free in Scotland so he won`t even have to pay for it.
One of the reasons the English should feel pissed off then, same thing in Wales free prescriptions and dental care, ah crap I am going to cause another row. :pokefun
It costs me about £100 a years for inhalers, I can live with that,
I get free prescriptions in England :D
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Yea Nick but you are like me, a lot closer to having a chat with the big fella that does the admissions to Fazer Heaven. :pokefun
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Yea Nick but you are like me, a lot closer to having a chat with the big fella that does the admissions to Fazer Heaven. :pokefun
Nah, I've got a way to go before then. I'm just special :lol
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If OPEC are doing that , the Americains will be quite happy to cap there wells and buy cheap OPEC oil. At the end of the day the Americains and even the UK will still have their own Gas waiting to be fracked so the ragheads will lose out in the long run, foc em!!only a bunch of foccing sand dancers anyway. Another point seeing as I am on me soap box. If Mosses and his tribe were supposed to have been Gods choosen people why the foc did he not turn right when parted the RED Sea. If he had guess who would have had the oil??? :evil
err...not the most PC message there Lew :pokefun..............but I do agree with you on the point of the Americans probably still going along with their shale gas plans anyway...I mean the fact that temporarily they can get some cheap deals on traditional supplies is just a brucey bonus isn't it......I cant see how it has anything to do with OPEC doing it on purpose to stop the USA being self sufficient....if anything they can be less frantic about it and research further and develop better technology....we're talking global price drops and the US isn't the globe, just a small part of it. I stand by that it is a big foc u to Russia which has been getting too big for its boots......as much as most folks in western countries see their leaders as a bunch of fools....never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups :b
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Admittedly America is not the Globe but the last time it sneezed the rest of the Globe/World caught one hell of a cold.
Not being politically correct what is wrong with the term sand dancers? could be referring to someone from South Shields.
To much of this crap going on Cannot say this, cannot do that, you might offend someone.
If it was not for folk from the west those middle eastern gentlemen would still be living in tents and burning Camel dung for fuel. :evil
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Admittedly America is not the Globe but the last time it sneezed the rest of the Globe/World caught one hell of a cold.
Not being politically correct what is wrong with the term sand dancers? could be referring to someone from South Shields.
To much of this crap going on Cannot say this, cannot do that, you might offend someone.
If it was not for folk from the west those middle eastern gentlemen would still be living in tents and burning Camel dung for fuel. :evil
Fair play Lew.......they do a good curry in South Shields :)
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We all know we need to stop using fossil fuels. So when the major economies like China , Korea,India, America take a major step in the reduction of there use maybe I will give a foc.
Scotland should set the example in being at the fore front of sending us back into the dark ages and stop all oil and gas production.
Well a few years ago it was stated that 20% of the worlds population are responsible for 80% of the world's energy consumption in one year. We already have frightening levels of global warming as a result of our OTT energy consumption. Now the 80% want to consume what we the 20% consume.
The problem with society is we moan about causing the death of the planet,
This is of course one of the major barriers to solving the problem. Save the planet, when the planet does not need saved. The language is incorrect, we need to save ourselves.
Mass unemployment VNA predicts, well man has always found a way out of that dilema. We are well overdue a major world conflict so problem solved. There is no unemployment during a world war. Just think as well if we survive, the building industry will pickup , the DIY shops will be doing a roaring trade.
Of course the biggest problem in the world is over population. But for religious and cultural reasons we don't want to talk about that. A growing population = growing consumption.
Start ploughing the fields using horses again, hand sowing seeds , stick a cork up a cows arse to cut down on green house gases, oh we could bottle that and use it for cooking with? still that would be using a green house gas, so we can't do that then.
Those who develop the renewable energy systems and efficiency measures that we require will be the economic titans of the new world economy. The problems are solvable, it's just a matter of when we decide to tackle the issues, ie will we do it in time - I personally doubt it, but I'll probably be dead or dying by the time all hell breaks loose.
Let's hope you get a decent summer in the UK at least you will be able to enjoy some of the cheap deals that will be available up in Scotland as the economy will have gone into meltdown.
Our economy is the strongest in the UK, sadly we have decided to keep it tied to the failing UK economy........for just now anyway. All welcome in Scotland, spend as much as you want :lol
VNA take a happy pill for foc's sake.
Lew, you cannae toss bate about then get huffy with the response.
And do us a favour cut the racist crap eh?
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As mentioned take a fecking happy pill for focsake. :z or perhaps get a sense of humour, bait ? or bate whatever.
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I'd have a giggle if you were funny Lew, but you ain't.
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There is no doubt that it gos up instantly but slowly comes down but never as down as it should so when it gos up again its already starting from a higher point.
Indeed, but that's cos some of the tax is by % and some of it is flat rate. So yeah the last time it was 60 dollars a barrel petrol might well have been something like 70p a litre.
Papers are saying we should see a 99p litre soon though as the cheap stuff comes through.
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read this link www.petrolprices.com/the-price-of-fuel.html (http://www.petrolprices.com/the-price-of-fuel.html) looks as if it was November 2007 when Petrol went above £1.00 a litre.
As of March 2014 out of the 27 EU members Britain pays the highest tax on Diesel and the second highest on Petrol. Reckon if the price keeps falling Osborne might have a re-think on his proposed 3p?increase come the new year, he likely will use the low cost of fuel to push his increase even higher.
Oh and I see I have been told off by the oracle of the North to stop being racist.
This by a man who is a strong admirer of all things English. :finger
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I'm not usually bothered by 'political' elements in threads as the last time anyone mind was changed by logical discussion was about never, we seem to have a view then look for evidence to support it and I think we all fall into that trap.....
However the level of almost hate of the English in some quarters during the recent Scottish referendum with demonstration outside BBC studios because they dared to ask Alex Salmond question he didn'tlike/couldn't anwer had some pretty nasty undertones and I don't see Nicola Sturgeon saying that oil will solve all of Scotlands problems at $60 a barrel (BBC talks about the oil industry in scotland having all investment programmes cancelled as $60 p barrel make them all uneconomic and will result in thousands of job losses) the silence from NS is deafening......
Now is the time (I'd have thought) for the pro unionists to reinforce their view that we are all better off together - I certainly think (along with many others both in Scotland and the rest of the Nation) that the UK is greater than the sum of its parts and I seem to have liked most of the Scots that I've met - even the drunk Rugby fans (Have to say I was almost as tanked as they were!) I think of us all as British citizens with individual HISTORICAL heritages. We've achieved far more togeher than we could have separately ask Napoleon, Kaiser Wilhelm, Hitler etc as well as looking at the map of the English speaking world... Well that's me done hope i haven't upset too many people - not my intention
Merry Xmas to all of us in the UK and to all discerning Fazer riders everywhere around the world !!
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However the level of almost hate of the English in some quarters during the recent Scottish referendum with demonstration outside BBC studios because they dared to ask Alex Salmond question he didn'tlike/couldn't anwer had some pretty nasty undertones
You know the referendum campaign had been running for some two years in Scotland, without any protests of note outside the offices of the BBC or others. The BBC is of course supposed to be (unlike the press) unbiased, and both BBC Scotland and STV worked hard to try and maintain impartiality.
So the campaign rumbled on, largely unnoticed by the BBC down south and indeed much of the English press. Naebody doon sooth was interestit.
But then suddenly, it actually looked as if there was a chance, a real chance of a YES! vote. In the closing weeks of campaign the BBC and other media outlets realised, that up until then unknown to them, that a referendum was actually taking place in Scotland on the future of the UK! And that flaming eck, Scotland might just go her own way!
So yes the BBC despatched it's English correspondents to report on the events happening in that wee country in the North of the UK (Scotland) of which presumably they had heard of and read of in the biased English press. Yup they made a right arse of it. But there was worse.......
So the usually astute and intelligent Nick Robinson allowed himself to be used as a tool of the Westminster government. He willingly posted a report on the BBC stating that Wee Eck refused to answer his question (repeatedly refused he told us), the BBC and Nick put together a brief clip depicting Alex refusing to answer a question, a question it turns out that Alex had already answered and indeed the BBC had already broadcast that answer.
So yes there was not only clear bias but also the dirtiest of dirty tricks.
I didn't personally think the BBC protests were a great idea, but then it wasn't up to me or anybody else, tens of thousands of people across Scotland were absolutely raging at the BBC's coverage, not BBC Scotland but the clueless correspondents from London and their lying bosses who appeared to be taking orders from Westminster . So people gathered at the BBC and protested........and protested........
I myself buy The Independent Monday to Friday and Scottish papers at the weekend. I got more and more pissed off at the Indy and it's clueless referendum coverage, and in fact wrote a letter complaining about one journalists clueless and insulting commentary, and they then published my letter.
In that letter I made the following point "xxxxxx ponders if Alex Salmond is about to throw in the towel", a somewhat absurd suggestion to say the least, but putting aside the fact that Mr Salmond does not actually lead the YES Campaign (that's Blair Jenkins job), I would ask xxxx if she could tell us when Mr Salmond's counterpart, the Prime Minister of The United Kingdom, David Cameron, is going to get off the starting blocks in his defence of The Union.
In an e-mail exchange with the journalist, the journalist stated that they thought that Cameron had not and would not get involved because he was "too English"
Perhaps here is a suggestion of racist Scots. So I made the following point;
Oh, Cameron. Yes he needs to keep his heid doon, I know. Not because he's too English, as was not Tony Wedgwood Benn also rather English, somewhat posh and yet was always most warmly welcomed in Scotland. David Cameron is not welcome in Scotland simply because he is a Tory.
Hey I still buy the Indy despite their abominable referendum coverage, though at least in today's edition their establishment commentator Andreas Whittam Smith makes the point that "The Scottish Referendum campaign was the practise of British democracy at it's best"
So lest be absolutely clear, the referendum campaign was about the future of Scotland, it's was about politics, it was about Scotland's political future, about a Scotland being continually dragged in a direction it does not want to go. There was no English hatred, there is no English hatred and of course there is no evidence of English hatred in that whole campaign. Oh and umm, not to mention that many of those whom I campaigned with were English born!
As for that Wee Eck and Nik Robinson moment, well watch and listen - make up your own mind;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHmLb-RIbrM#t=120 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHmLb-RIbrM#t=120)
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Hmmm....didn't mean to touch a raw nerve but ok I understand that a substantial MINORITY of the people of Scotland feel that they want separation of their part of the UK but in fairness the Celtic parts of the UK have far more autonomy than the Anglo Saxon bits already - there is no English Parliament at all so perhaps we should be looking at a Federal Uk with a shared head of state (unfortunately not elected - yet!) with a federal national assembly or parliament in an indissoluble union. I always felt uncomfortable that only slightly over HALF of some 5 million or so out of 60 million could decide to end the UK as an entity and that doesn't particularly look like democracy at its best to me - perhaps the Devo Max option is a way ahead that could be good for everyone?.
In any I certainly value what Scotland and the Scots bring to the nation as a whole so I hope that Alex Salmonds ploy of having Scottish votes for English laws as a way of furthering the separatist agenda (as per todays concise i Independent seems to imply) doesn't set us one against another. I think we've achieved so much together that to give it all away for a narrower perhaps more 'tribal' view of life serves no one well...
And I said I wasn't going to get drawn into debates as they seldom change views!! - so this is my last word on the subject as i've no wish to rub anyone up the wrong way or offend even unintentionally - its just that I value our nation as it is - but it could stand some change to make it even better!
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Hmmm....didn't mean to touch a raw nerve but ok I understand that a substantial MINORITY of the people of Scotland feel that they want separation of their part of the UK
No worries, I understand the point you make, but I feel it's based a dodgy agenda pushed by the anti-Scottish English press. I don't think anybody can seriously find any meaningful evidence that there was a hated filled anti-English YES! campaign.
Yes a substantial minority that cannot be ignored, and a majority that are clearly dissatisfied making a further majority that are open in Scotland to the idea of another Indy referendum if Westminster does not deliver for Scotland.
but in fairness the Celtic parts of the UK have far more autonomy than the Anglo Saxon bits already - there is no English Parliament at all so perhaps we should be looking at a Federal Uk with a shared head of state (unfortunately not elected - yet!) with a federal national assembly or parliament in an indissoluble union.
David Cameron despite Alistair Darlings pleas not to (having done his job Alistair could now be pushed aside and ignored) within hours of the result being called turned the Scottish Independence referendum into English votes for English laws. Many of the majority who rejected Independence after that and of course more so following the publication of the Smith Report feel thoroughly conned. Cameron played our referendum for cheap political points.
Devo max? Westminster rejected the third option on the ballot paper, then against the rules of The Edinburgh Agreement reintroduced it in the closing stages of the referendum, only to withdraw it in the weeks post the referendum.
I think we've achieved so much together that to give it all away for a narrower perhaps more 'tribal' view of life serves no one well...
Indeed we have, but since 1979 we have spent decades throwing it away. Nor is it tribal, YES is an inclusive civil justice movement, the only way we can achieve the society that we desire in Scotland is to leave the UK, unless that is there is revolutionary change in the rest of the UK, so Independence it's not a matter of if but when. This is political not tribal or racial.
And I said I wasn't going to get drawn into debates as they seldom change views!!
Of course debates change minds. All we need to do is change another few % and it's gonna happen.
so this is my last word on the subject as i've no wish to rub anyone up the wrong way or offend even unintentionally
No offence taken. I think we had a fantastic referendum, the vast majority of people in Scotland engaged in the process, and despite the wild predictions of the English press (boy did they do their best to stirr it up) there was no racism, no trouble and no violence - with the exception of course of the certain loyalist thugs the day after the result.
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Okay I brought this on myself,
But what has happened to the original debate about the price of petrol???
Would certainly hurt an independent Scotland.
Last thing I want to see is folk being put out of work.
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I really don't think any of the major oil companies will suffer in the long term - while the price of crude is less than half of what it was, the price of fuel for us has gone down less than 10%.
So who are the ones keeping the missing 40% - oh, that must be oil wholesalers - and well FOC me if they aren't all owned by the oil companies themselves.
Seriously, this is just a springboard to the future £2 a litre fuel cost in Europe. After all the oil companies crying wolf about plunging profits, despite pump prices coming down so much more slowly than crude prices, as soon as the crude price goes back up, you can bet pump prices will fly up immediately.
Don't think the current cheap prices are here to stay, the oil companies are used to playing the long game, and if we're all happy paying £1.20 a litre when oil is $60 a barrel (for a couple months), when it's back up to $120 a barrel our fuel will be over £2 a litre and the oil companies will be creaming it in again for another 10 years. The current situation is a drop in the ocean for these boys and an "investment" in much bigger, longer term, profits for the future.
Remember, when the pump prices go down slowly, but up quickly, there's only ever one winner.
My advice - enjoy it while you can, coz we're all gonna be FOC'd again in the future.
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Okay I brought this on myself,
Aye :lol
Would certainly hurt an independent Scotland.
It's hurting the UK, and could inflict long term damage.
Maybe this has already been raised......
But the price of oil is controlled. It's primarily controlled by the USA and Saudi.
Now we have been treating Russia with disrespect for the last couple of decades. The big bear has been pushed into a corner. It's come out fighting and taken Crimea and destabilised The Ukraine, and of course committed the crime of shooting down a Western Commercial flight. Pretty crazy scary stuff.
So perhaps the USA and Saudi are bringing the bear to it's knees. In the process Scottish oil might well be wiped out and the UK economy utterly wrecked, or maybe there are contingency plans to protect key allies.
But don't forget what happens when you keep pushing the bear into that corner. Russia is a power, a nuclear power to be reckoned with.
Just a wee thought.
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when it's back up to $120 a barrel our fuel will be over £2 a litre and the oil companies will be creaming it in again for another 10 years.
How does that figure?
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Okay I brought this on myself,
Aye :lol
Would certainly hurt an independent Scotland.
It's hurting the UK, and could inflict long term damage.
Maybe this has already been raised......
But the price of oil is controlled. It's primarily controlled by the USA and Saudi.
Now we have been treating Russia with disrespect for the last couple of decades. The big bear has been pushed into a corner. It's come out fighting and taken Crimea and destabilised The Ukraine, and of course committed the crime of shooting down a Western Commercial flight. Pretty crazy scary stuff.
So perhaps the USA and Saudi are bringing the bear to it's knees. In the process Scottish oil might well be wiped out and the UK economy utterly wrecked, or maybe there are contingency plans to protect key allies.
But don't forget what happens when you keep pushing the bear into that corner. Russia is a power, a nuclear power to be reckoned with.
Just a wee thought.
You do know the UK is a net importer of oil right? Therefore if the price drops low, we'll save money (at least on oil) as we can just buy it cheaper than we can make it?
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I really don't think any of the major oil companies will suffer in the long term - while the price of crude is less than half of what it was, the price of fuel for us has gone down less than 10%.
And the sole reason for that is because the vast amount that we pay on fuel isn't the cost of fuel, its in tax!
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You do know the UK is a net importer of oil right? Therefore if the price drops low, we'll save money (at least on oil) as we can just buy it cheaper than we can make it?
So where does Osborne get all those billions of quids worth of north sea oil tax he will lose. What do we do with the 10,000's out of work when our oil industry shuts down.
So Joe do you take my point that the price is controlled?
And if so, why has it been dropped to 60 dollars a barrel.
Is there a new cold war, and the latest weapon is oil.
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The only thing I brought on myself was you getting on your soap box again talking a load of shite about scottish independance.
Scotland would be up shite creek now without a paddle, go on have a referendum now and see how it would pan out.
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The only thing I brought on myself was you getting on your soap box again talking a load of shite about scottish independance.
Scotland would be up shite creek now without a paddle, go on have a referendum now and see how it would pan out.
Please lew, stop poking vna for focs sake, I am sick of hearing about Scotland from him, and as I was born in Ayrshire that takes some doing.
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The only thing I brought on myself was you getting on your soap box again talking a load of shite about scottish independance.
Yes you started it Lew, and seeing as you are unable to address the substance of the debate, well it appears I finished it.
Got anything constructive to say Lew.........................
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I think the off shore industry is just jumping on the bandwagon here about oh dear hard times bla bla bla.......my heart bleeds purple piss for them.
It will just be an excuse to trim off a bit of excess festive fat that's all.......less perks, wage freezes, cheaper pies in the canteen.
Big companies love shit like this happening because then it justifies anything without them being directly blamed......"oh sorry boys, no bonus this year because we're below budget" and then pleading poverty......well they managed to still make billions the last time oil was this low.....sure as foc they will now......what they mean is below budget and not as much as they'd "like" to make.........well....i sure would like a 10% wage rise this year but i wont get it....just because i dont get it doesnt instantly mean that i am skint....far from it.
& who cares.....the oil will still be there....... Then eventually it will come to the surface whether it is this genaration or the next that brings it up.
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Nothing more to add VNA pretty obvious that others are tired of it now so well done you. Just keep an eye on the Loyalist thugs you mentioned , your lot keep stirring the pot you may just start something that you will have extreme difficulty in stopping, remember it will not be like a Rangers v Celtic match.
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The only thing I brought on myself was you getting on your soap box again talking a load of shite about scottish independance.
Yes you started it Lew, and seeing as you are unable to address the substance of the debate, well it appears I finished it.
Got anything constructive to say Lew.........................
You didn`t finish it you just bored the foc out of everybody.
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Nothing more to add VNA pretty obvious that others are tired of it now so well done you. Just keep an eye on the Loyalist thugs you mentioned , your lot keep stirring the pot you may just start something that you will have extreme difficulty in stopping, remember it will not be like a Rangers v Celtic match.
Lew you started it, not me. I did not raise the subject - you did. If you wanna slag off Scotland, I will step in and defend my country - simple.
Oh I see, those who believe in social justice and democracy shouldn't stir the pot in case we upset some thugs. Let the thugs rule is it Lew? I don't think so buddy. But of course we've already covered that Lew, haven't we. Repeating the same lies again and again Lew wil not make em come true.
You didn`t finish it you just bored the foc out of everybody.
If you don't like it Slappy, then tough.
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Its not that I don`t like it, but politics are even more boring than another " what tyre should I get" thread.
Every time time Lew pokes you, which he does on purpose, you rise to the bait.If you ignored him you would probably feel a bit calmer.
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Remember Lew & VNA.....this is an open forum........santa will be watching.
We'd hate for yous not to get that pair of Homer Simpson socks you've been hoping for :lol
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Its not that I don`t like it, but politics are even more boring than another " what tyre should I get" thread.
Every time time Lew pokes you, which he does on purpose, you rise to the bait.If you ignored him you would probably feel a bit calmer.
Slappy it's a political thread. How can you discuss the price of oil and petrol without getting into politics. And then of course some sad foccers like me live and breath politics :eek
Look Lew bates me, I know, I take the bate and he gets huffy over the result. And I am perfectly calm, got much bigger things to worry about than silly banter on an internet forum, it's just a bit of fun. Post 51 I tried to move it on and away from Scottish politics (in response to Lew post 49) but Lew insisted on slagging Scotland again.
Remember Lew & VNA.....this is an open forum........santa will be watching.
Bugger is it not 2015 yet?
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Lew gets huffy, VNA Lew has been taking the piss out of you all along mate.
So there will be no thugs on the Yes/Republicain side then?? :rollin
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I've got it! This is the new "last to post wins" thread? :lol
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Lew gets huffy, VNA Lew has been taking the piss out of you all along mate.
So there will be no thugs on the Yes/Republicain side then?? ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/rollin.gif[/url])
Lew there is no "Yes/republicain" side as you put it.
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I've got it! This is the new "last to post wins" thread? ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/lol.gif[/url])
Does that mean I'm winning then?
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No :lol
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Foc u yes I am! :lol
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It's foccin mine.
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Its not that I don`t like it, but politics are even more boring than another " what tyre should I get" thread.
Every time time Lew pokes you, which he does on purpose, you rise to the bait.If you ignored him you would probably feel a bit calmer.
I wonder what tyres politicians buy? :lol
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Its not that I don`t like it, but politics are even more boring than another " what tyre should I get" thread.
Every time time Lew pokes you, which he does on purpose, you rise to the bait.If you ignored him you would probably feel a bit calmer.
I wonder what tyres politicians buy? :lol
Slippery ones. Bastards, the lot of em.
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Wee Eck in 2009 snapped by muggins here.
By far the smartest politician in the UK, but not only that a decent man fighting for his country.
(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2654/3765785993_580eed3906_o.jpg)
I win, I win, OK?
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Wee Eck
(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2654/3765785993_580eed3906_o.jpg)
Bastard.
Oooh, did I win? :lol
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That's a breech of copyright - you bastard!
I win.
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That's a breech of copyright - you bastard!
I win.
The cheque is in the post.
Removes politician head.... :D
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I still win.
Scotland rules!
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I still win.
Scotland rules!
I'm ahead on points ;)
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foc u!
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Wee Nikki shot by muggins 2009
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1399/792280526_3a3087531a_o.jpg)
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I win. I win. I win.
Scotland the brave!
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Run away, run away!
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Mmmmmmmm...so this is supposed to be a thread about petrol prices :rolleyes....dont usually get involved in this type of "debate " :rolleyes.........but, what the oil companys have learnt from all this is how much we are prepared to pay for our fuel.......enjoy it while it lasts, it will go back up to what it was eventually.........
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Mmmmmmmm...so this is supposed to be a thread about petrol prices :rolleyes ....dont usually get involved in this type of "debate " :rolleyes .........but, what the oil companys have learnt from all this is how much we are prepared to pay for our fuel.......enjoy it while it lasts, it will go back up to what it was eventually.........
Quite right Red
And we cant choose not to buy it.
I remember that Cravendale milk was all the rage until folk decided there was only so much they were prepared to pay for milk.....so now it hardly features......maybe in waitrose......but there was other milk to buy cheaper so it is t like people stopped buying milk..........with petrol, we need it to get about and they know this so it will just keep going up and up.
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"And we can't choose not to buy it"
Why's that then ?
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"And we can't choose not to buy it"
Why's that then ?
Could you do your job without petrol ?.....or does that shi**y honda run on used veggie oil........ :pokefun
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Elecfoccintricity Mr red
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That would explain why its sofoccinslow......mrblue
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I will NEVER admonish that but we do have a choice about fuel...I accept it will be more difficult with charging but the technology of it will only move forward....formula E will help
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"And we can't choose not to buy it"
Why's that then ?
Coz im a lazy fat wanker :lol
Plus work is 15 mile away
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U could Foccin run that mate....and lay off the burgers an prob sorted
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U could Foccin run that mate....and lay off the burgers an prob sorted
Oh yeh, i already get up at 0530.....i dont fancy setting the alarm for 3am thanks very much.
Plus its ok for yous London fairies with your Electricity & guys that clean windscreens but what about Wales....we only just got the foccin lightbulb, never mind lectric cars...........my neighbour who's trying to lose weight just got his first deep fat fryer and he is made up.........got it off QVC & thinks it's a type of liposuction machine.
If only we could harness the waste energy from sheep activities......thats a real world answer.
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Wee Nikki shot by muggins 2009
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1399/792280526_3a3087531a_o.jpg)
Say this much in Salmond defence, he is better looking that ulgy foccer, no wonder she took up polotics,
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Bloody hell Lew, I wouldn't have thought you had a thing for Salmond. :eek
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Emm was just going to say that the Jet garage in Emsworth has petrol at 109.7 but it turned out this thread had turned political in a na na na naaaaa na kind of way
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It has... But it does make good readin ....NA NA Na na naaaaa :-)
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It has... But it does make good readin ....NA NA Na na naaaaa :-)
Once you get past all the boring political shite and in to the brilliant nonsense stuff it does.
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If petrol gets any cheaper i might start foccin drinking it :)
They'll be selling it LIDL next to the Wienerschnitzels.
Actually soon they'll be able to sell it in Poundland.
Doddsie will go to the pump and turn away thinking he's still pissed.
Red will will wake up and think he's back in his youth in the 30's.
& Christo still wont be able to afford it.
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Oh my god ....a pissed ferengi...can't think of anyfin worse....except a pissed granny....help me out here Mr Red...
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Still rip off Britain them , just filled up for €1.03 a ltr diesel in Bordeaux.
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ermm hello petrol prices are tumbling lol £1.11 at moment
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Getting better €.99 cents today at a Super U for diesel near Saint Emilion France.
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In Connecticut this summer, petrol was over $4 a gallon; at Christmas it was $2.65 a gallon - that means a 33% reduction in the pump prices.
Looking at diesel in the UK (only because we run diesel cars, so I notice the price), I'm now seeing/buying it at £1.19 a litre. With the best will in the world it's only come down by £0.15 per litre since the summer - only an 11% reduction.
We're being ripped off here again compared to the rest of the world and as crude prices are basically half what they were in the summer, someone in the middle is making more money than before - if it's not the oil producers and it's not the government (taxes haven't increased), it must be the oil wholesalers. AND who are they, oh! they're owned by the oil producers, what a surprise.
We've been softened up by years of even bigger rip-off's, so now we're all happy about getting ripped-off just a little bit less - rather than demanding that we're treated as fairly as the rest of the world (the one outside of "Europe").
Still not happy that diesel isn't below £1 a litre and petrol isn't around £0.90 a litre !!
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hey red do you think they will go back to putting the price in gallons again?
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they wont go back to £/Gallon as it will show how big the differences betwen petrol sations are!
a 2p/litre difference is 9p/Gallon n would put many punters off!
(plus the cost of changing all the pumps!!)
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I still convert to gallons when buying and working out mpg... :o...agree with robbie about garages not changing back :rolleyes
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I think they'll be to embarrassed by the prices.
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they wont go back to £/Gallon as it will show how big the differences betwen petrol sations are!
a 2p/litre difference is 9p/Gallon n would put many punters off!
(plus the cost of changing all the pumps!!)
Digital pumps done in a tick
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Digital pumps done in a tick
The price displayed on the pump yes, but then you still need to go out to each pump and change the front panel labels to show £/Gallon . The measuring engine/cost calculator for the pump will then need to be updated or it will charge you the £/gallon for every litre dispensed making fuel even more expensive!
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Ah!!! but if we change the pumps to read gallons , surely that will upset our friends in Brussels lol.
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I didn't say I didn't agree with changing them, just that its not as simple as you intimated :pokefun
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The main problem with fuel is the horrific amount the government take from every litre. Fuel could be well cheap if the fuel duty was curbed. Foccin' theft, I tells ya!
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Another consideration is the fact that the government charge VAT on fuel in addition to the fuel duty so you pay tax on the tax.
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Another consideration is the fact that the government charge VAT on fuel in addition to the fuel duty so you pay tax on the tax.
So that would on top of the tax you've already had stolen paid on your earnings to get the £5 in your pocket in the first place.
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:agree
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It is the governments job to take every penny it can from it's citizens. How else can they all swill from the trough, award themselves a big pay rise while they tell the rest of us we must accept below inflation pay rises.
I will make a forecast whoever wins the next general election will use the low cost of crude oil to hike the duty on fuel, no matter what any party says in their manifesto. Also bet they will not change there duty free bar in the houses of parliment.
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Fuel Duty, plus the VAT on the Fuel Duty element comes to 69.5p per litre. With Petrol at (say) 110p per litre that leaves 40.5p difference. But that also includes a 20% VAT element, so the fuel company's take is 33.75p. That of course includes production, distribution etc.
With the price of crude now down to $55 a barrell (159 litres), that's 22.6p per litre. So margins are tight.
However, two things to think of:
With the tax on diesel being the same as petrol, why are they charging an extra 10p per litre - an extra 100% profit on the difference between the crude price and the fuel company's take? Diesel is either the same price or much cheaper in Europe.
Why do we get aviation fuel surcharges on flights when the oil price goes up, but not refunds when it comes down ?
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Here on the costa blanca I am paying €1.07 a ltr for deisel for the car and €1.14 for 95 ron unleaded for the bike that was a couple of days ago.
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Fudnut
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Fuel Duty, plus the VAT on the Fuel Duty element comes to 69.5p per litre. With Petrol at (say) 110p per litre that leaves 40.5p difference. But that also includes a 20% VAT element, so the fuel company's take is 33.75p. That of course includes production, distribution etc.
With the price of crude now down to $55 a barrell (159 litres), that's 22.6p per litre. So margins are tight.
However, two things to think of:
With the tax on diesel being the same as petrol, why are they charging an extra 10p per litre - an extra 100% profit on the difference between the crude price and the fuel company's take? Diesel is either the same price or much cheaper in Europe.
Why do we get aviation fuel surcharges on flights when the oil price goes up, but not refunds when it comes down ?
If the companies take is 34 ppl and the fuel is costing 23 ppl, that means they're taking a 50% margin (11p margin on a 23p cost) on petrol and almost a 100% (21p on 23p cost) margin on diesel. Those don't look like tight margins to me - especially considering the HUGE volumes sold every day.
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Well to be fair to them ....... they do have to turn crude oil into petrol. That presumably costs something. Then they have to transport it in big ships and petrol tankers.
Take your point about massive volumes though, and doesn't excuse the extra Diesel mark-up.
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Millietant - I'm happier to excuse the fuel companies who ship us the fuel, and have built (and have to maintain!) the infrastructure than give 63% of what I, poor Joe Schmuck, end up paying at the pump.
Which means that of the 110p/L we pay, the fuel firm only gets 37% of that, when they've done all the work to get it to us, and the government has done foc all!
Whilst I agree with the sentiment, the anger is misplaced. By your calculations, the fuel companies are making 11p on each litre of petrol. That 11p goes towards:
- The shipping of the crude to the refinery
- The refining of the crude into petrol
- The shipping of the petrol to national distribution centres
- The distribution to local fuel stations
- Maintenance, or hire costs, on all equipment: tankers, refineries, distribution centres, lorries, pumps etc etc etc.
The government does none of the above. And cooly pockets 6.3 times the profit the fuel company gets. Can you imagine trying to run a small business like that? You'd be bankrupt in a matter of hours!!
What this country needs is a revolution. :grumble :2guns
EDIT: MTread - I agree completely (started my response before I saw yours). But that's another lie we were sold - we were all told 10 (or even fewer!!) years ago to buy diesels as they were less polluting, more efficient, the fuel was cheaper, so would save us money, blah de blah. Today, we're being told that diesel is carcinogenic, the fuel's more expensive, and we're all stuck with cars that are getting clobbered with these so-called "eco-taxes". We are systematically being sold up the river by these grubby politicians!!!
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In this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes.
Benjamin Franklin 1789
Christo We are systematically being sold up the river by these grubby politicians!!!
Or the Scientists ?
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In this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes.
Benjamin Franklin 1789
Quite.
Who wants to join me in a revolution against the grubby breed of rat we call Politicians that currently infest Westminster (and everywhere else, TBH)?
Bring back the gallows!!!
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Off you go Christo. We're right behind you ...... :rolleyes
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Christo We are systematically being sold up the river by these grubby politicians!!!
Or the Scientists ?
Mainly the politicians. Scientists have nothing to do with the exorbitant tax on fuel.
Who else remembers that VAT was meant to be a temporary, short-term measure? And who else remembers that the Dartford Crossing would be free after it had paid for itself (as it did - 12 foccin' years ago)?
Off you go Christo. We're right behind you ...... :rolleyes
Lemme guess - several miles behind me? :rolleyes
Guy Fawkes — The only man ever to enter Parliament with honest intentions
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Guy Fawkes — The only man ever to enter Parliament with honest intentions
and look what happened to him !
Anyway, we need to pay our taxes. They help to maintain the roads ........
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Guy Fawkes — The only man ever to enter Parliament with honest intentions
and look what happened to him !
Anyway, we need to pay our taxes. They help to maintain the roads ........
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
I'll stop grousing about road tax and fuel duty when we actually see it doing motorists any good.
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Who else remembers that VAT was meant to be a temporary, short-term measure?
Um ... I don't think so. In 1973 VAT replaced Purchase Tax which had been with us since 1940. All EU states have to have a Value Added Tax. It's a condition of being in the EU. Also the tax rates have to be 'harmonised' ie between certain amounts. Ours at 20% is actually lower than many
http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/resources/documents/taxation/vat/how_vat_works/rates/vat_rates_en.pdf (http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/resources/documents/taxation/vat/how_vat_works/rates/vat_rates_en.pdf)
Now Fuel Duty is of course an Excise Duty, and those go back centuries ! But there are always ways round them if you don't like paying ....
http://www.kiplingsociety.co.uk/poems_smuggler.htm (http://www.kiplingsociety.co.uk/poems_smuggler.htm)
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Its not quite that straight forward. One barrel of oil is about 35 gallons. From that, about 120 litres or diesel and petrol is refined. The rest becomes other things like aviation fuel, other oils etc so for a $50 barrel, the cost of the bit that gets turned into road fuel is about $37.50 making the raw materal cost about $0.31 / litre or £0.20 in real money.
Add in fuel duty at about 60p/l and the cost before refining, distribution and profit is £0.80/litre. Add VAT, and the 1p/litre the retailer gets (yes that is why they hate the gits that drive off without paying) and the price becomes £0.96/litre
Add in the refining and distribution costs and I doubt we will see petrol or diesel ever fall below £1 per litre again unless HMRC drastically reduce their duty rates.
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Its not quite that straight forward. One barrel of oil is about 35 gallons. From that, about 120 litres or diesel and petrol is refined. The rest becomes other things like aviation fuel, other oils etc so for a $50 barrel, the cost of the bit that gets turned into road fuel is about $37.50 making the raw materal cost about $0.31 / litre or £0.20 in real money.
Add in fuel duty at about 60p/l and the cost before refining, distribution and profit is £0.80/litre. Add VAT, and the 1p/litre the retailer gets (yes that is why they hate the gits that drive off without paying) and the price becomes £0.96/litre
Add in the refining and distribution costs and I doubt we will see petrol or diesel ever fall below £1 per litre again unless HMRC drastically reduce their duty rates.
BBrown: my point exactamente.
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Looking at it another way.
If oil was to go to $150 a barrel, it would only add £0.48/litre to the cost. Refining and transport costs would remain constant as nobody gets payrises :pokefun so the oil industry was and is making a fair profit still as fuel was hitting £1.50/litre when oil was well under $100 a barrel.
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transport costs would remain constant
But they cant because fuel costs would rise :b
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:pokefun
No, they pay Venezuelan rates for their own fuel :pokefun
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BBrown - You're right of course, there's a baseline price. Even if a barrel of crude comes out of the ground for nothing, the cost of refining, transporting and tax will keep the retail price at around the £1 mark.
The only issue I would take is that it's not HMRC that sets the duty rate, it's the government in the shape of the Chancellor of the Exchequer.