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There isn't one, red caps are aftermarket OE they were black.

If you want red just look for the NGK equivalent in red.

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Fazer 1000/FZ1 corner / Re: 02 Fazer 1000 cutting out
« on: 23 March 2024, 07:33:18 pm »
No, the breather system is restricted/blocked somehow.  This will cause cutting out but it wouldn't restart, as you've stated it does. 

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For Sale & Wanted / X10 350 i.e. Metallic Grey
« on: 23 March 2024, 11:17:06 am »
After what 5ish years, my X10 is up for sale, I'm just not using it and it's a waste, full pictures in the links below. 

The last 4 years it's hardly been used, it was bought as a commuter back in mid 2017.  After 4 months my work location changed and it really wasn't needed, never used through the winter as intended. I just couldn't bring myself to sell just in case and I loved the odd dry summer rides I did on it.  I've done in that time 3670miles, the majority of that in the first year, the average in the last few years is between 500 - 6miles, last year is the 6 to it's MOT and back! It's not been used this year as yet.  The bike was stripped in 2017, all the well known issues were dealt with see my post here with full pictures https://x9ownersclub.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=26121.msg283863#msg283863 serviced, Denali horn and HID conversion fitted.  The latter is easily disconnected for MOTs if you're worried or your tester doesn't like them, they will be removed if a new owner doesn't want them.  Rear drive oil level bolt has been replaced see here with pictures https://x9ownersclub.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=26888.0

The bike is due a new belt/guides/weights at it's next service (waiting for the service light) all are ready and waiting and will be thrown in.  The bike is stored in a garage, hooked up the a Opimate, it's totally reliable bike, it never fails to start first prod even after many months of non use in the garage.   

The bike was registered 2 July 2012, has covered to date 11136 miles, which is below average for the year, MOT 06 Sept 24, currently SORN, this is a push the button and ride, nothing other than routine serving will need doing.  ULEZ compliant, I've had max 95 mpg with averages of 67mpg motorway/city and 88 mpg long rides on mixture of A and B roads, it's a perfect long haul and commuter in one.  Not many bikes you can don all your riding kit, ride to the coast, remove the riding kit including boots, store it under the seat, walk around in shorts/tee shirt all day, return to the bike get donned up and ride home.  From my research at the time of buying, it's the best maxi scoot available, packed with features, ABS, Traction control, factory fitted immobiliser, illuminated switch gear, too full face helmets will fit under the seat.  The seat is an armchair I've done 5 hours in one go on it.  I was always very anti Maxi scooter until a good friend got one for commuting, suggested I tried it, kicking and screaming I did, couldn't believe how good it was and bought one.  It will see off just about anything up to 40mph off the lights and there's nothing road wise it can't do, extremely stable in cross winds handles very well, not much will get away from you on the twisty's.

I'm now starting to do more adventure/off road stuff, the bike isn't getting or will be used in the foreseeable and it's taking up space.         

The bike is in very good condition, both keys, all paperwork and fully serviced, located in the Melton Mowbray area, looking for £2k ovno.

[edit] attached imagages from the X9owners link - bkd
     

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: making the bike faster
« on: 21 March 2024, 02:42:54 pm »
I'm sorry to say, you're/you have wasted your time and money fella.

Porting is for 2 stokes, gas flowing is for 4 stokes, just gas flowing an FZS600 head will get you almost nothing.  The bike can already use 99 or 100 octane fuel as standard, gains err almost nothing.

These engines are already in a high state of tune as standard, they require serious (cams, pistons, over bore, carbs etc) engine work to get any meaningful gains, all possible but very expensive and not worth the gains.  Biggest up grades to a standard engine which will give you better mid range is fit a free flow air filter and an open end can, nothing else needed.   

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General / Re: Act now: Motorcycles in bus lanes consultation.
« on: 21 March 2024, 02:32:43 pm »
Done.


Although the survey wouldn't allow me to up load the report even in zip file, too big apparently.  Good way of preventing supporting evidence being provided, that.   

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General / Re: Down the pub - the thread about nothing and everything
« on: 20 March 2024, 12:58:38 pm »
Very sorry to here this, best wishes and a speedy recovery. 

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Headlights Not Working
« on: 16 March 2024, 09:24:28 am »
It would appear to be the wiring that's the issue, based on your findings.  Disconnect the plug blocks, look for corrosion, it's normally green ish.  Also examine the female connectors, look for an extra wide space where the male part goes in.  If there's one use a small screwdriver to close the gap slightly.  On the male side connector block make sure all the spade end fittings are level/square in the block.  It's possible one or more has got bent and instead of mating correctly in the female connector/s, it's going over/under which will give you a bad connection

It's also possible either a female or male connector is damage/broken, again this will give you a bad connection.

If it's as simple as moving the block or wires going into the block, it's going to be something as mentioned above. 

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Gearbox removal
« on: 11 March 2024, 04:23:46 pm »
Thanks. FYI I didn't use the FZR600 transmission, but the '94-95 FZR600R, which is identical to FZS600 and YZF600R Thundercat

 :thumbup

I cheched all the parts, the shift forks look good, measured to be square, no bend. Shift drum is like new, the bike has 36 000 kms in it. Clutch is ok.Some gear dogs were rounded off unfortunately, but I was able to replace them with donor parts.

Often it's nothing more than bad adjustment, push rod and cable play. The possibility is the clutch push lever assembly and/or ball screw housing are worn.  If there's not enough push (it's only mm) the clutch wont disengage properly, the gear will not fully engage and drop out.     

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Help: gearbox removal
« on: 11 March 2024, 01:57:22 pm »
Disassembled the engine, removed the gears. TBH the gear dogs didn't seem too terrible, but if it jumps out of gear what can I do...I was lucky to find a low mileage gearbox from a '94 FZR600R, and combined the best gears into a working unit. The 2nd gear pinion is a b**** to remove and install... Now I wait for some Loctite sealant, then I'll reassemble the engine.Just for my own entertainement, added the costs of necessary parts together, if everything was new. Wow. Good thing that almost everything's available new, but a complete transmission overhaul, some crankshaft bearings, a complete gasket set adds up to the value of my bike, even if every work is done by me.


Jumping out of gear isn't always the gear box it can be a clutch issue.  The gear selectors don't wear as such (accept in the extreme) they bend and it doesn't take much, to stop the gear fully engaging and getting jumping out of gear.  Also be aware 2nd and 6th gear ratios are different on the FZR600, which will mess up how it accelerates, so make sure you use the FZS600s pinons and gears.     

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Cross contamination....I mean compatibility
« on: 05 March 2024, 10:13:48 am »
Email them and ask. I've used them in the past many times and they've always got things you might have to wait.

Failing that you or find someone who can modify as pointed out earlier.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Cross contamination....I mean compatibility
« on: 04 March 2024, 05:16:47 pm »

My switch (2002 fzs600) has the 7 wires (5+2) but all I see are ones for up to 2001, or ones with every year listed, but with 6 wires (4+2)

I've seen a couple posts on here about Foxeye/Boxeye (???) and a mention that the 2001/02 fzs1000 ignition switch is the same.

The 01/ 02 1000 does indeed have a 5 + 2 configuration, whether they're are the same, I don't know they have different Yam part No's.
but why bother 02 600 unit is available here
 
https://www.cmsnl.com/yamaha-fzs600-2002-5rt1-england-1a5rt-300e1_model42566/main-switch-steering-lock_5rt8250100/

 

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: 1999 FZS 600 - Low RPM bog down, ideas?
« on: 02 March 2024, 12:26:58 pm »
I use my FZS 600 '99 for commuting daily and recently it developed a problem with a noise coming from the right hand side of the engine. I only notice this sound when the bike is started from cold, and the sound reminds me of a tractor: clattering like. It doesn't happen all the time, and is faint. Comes and goes. Not constant.

The noise is suggesting not firing on all cylinders

I first noticed it/it started happening after I washed the bike with a hose pipe and then used the Bruhl dryer straight after and then started the bike to remove any remaining droplets of water. The engine temp light came on, and the bike sounded rough. The first few rides after that were very bumpy, and the bike ran rough for the first mile or so (juddering, low on power, surging and then perfectly fine after about 3k). I drained some fuel out of the float bowel and it was clear and smelt of petrol, thinking I'd gotten water in the carbs or suchlike. I've not done anything other in that side of things.

A week later the bike starts fine and starts first time, I've changed the spark plugs and that helped but the noise is still there and the bike is still low on power from cold occasionally (not every single time) sounds like it wants to die and sometimes tries to but doesn't and keeps running. Its nowhere near as bad. Seems like an intermittent issue. When it plays up it goes through a phase and then suddenly everything is fine power wise and it runs normal. Always below 3k and in first (not noticed an issue in other gears). Runs fine, reaches 70 mph etc perfectly fine. Goes to the rev limiter. No stutter on throttle input.

Before I ask the shop to take a look what can I do. HT leads, coil pack, air filter?

I see a lot of this sort of thing at this time of year i.e. odd and intermittent electrical issues, such as warning lights coming on etc.  It's nearly always down to water ingress into electrical fittings and connectors.  Take apart every connector block, check for corrosion, clean and use some dielectric grease.  The fact the bike is running fine above 3k, is strongly suggesting you've got a pilot circuit issue on one or more of the carbs.  Forget coils, TPS, plugs and air filter etc if it was any of those the bike wouldn't run above 3k or very badly and you'd have starting issues which you've not got.

The odd noise you've heard/got is more than likely slightly out of balance carbs. 

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Fazer 1000/FZ1 corner / Re: 02 Fazer 1000 cutting out
« on: 01 March 2024, 11:52:36 am »
FZS1000s don't have ECUs, they have an igniter unit/box in the tail hump.  As far as I'm aware there's no connection between the cooling fan cutting in/out and the igniter box, the bikes system isn't closed loop, it has a now old fashioned CDI type system, I won't go into to details. 

From the sounds of what your describing, you've got water ingress either in the ignitor box, starter relay, staring circuit cut off relay. it's also possible there's an issue with the rectifier/regulator.  Remove all the plugs to all of them, check for corrosion, clean and try if that doesn't work it's highly likely there's water in the ignitor box.  This will slowly heat up causing a vapour that will short out the unit and stop the bike, it condenses on cooling down the bike restarts, this will happen with alarming time accuracy 20/30mins or so.

It happens to proper ECU's, they have to be opened dried or replaced. 


Check all the connections and test all the components first.  If they're all ok, swap the ignitor box, you can try and borrow one from a known running bike first, to replace they're approx £80 second hand.       


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General / Re: Looking for MK1 600 tube
« on: 28 February 2024, 10:31:46 am »
 :agree  ??

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Mystery Alternator component
« on: 22 February 2024, 12:56:03 pm »
Looks like a location dowel from the cover.  It should be in the front lower bolt hole.  ;)

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Headlights Not Working
« on: 15 February 2024, 08:21:46 am »
It's worth a check.  But my money is on the switch or wiring as mentioned. It's also very possible there's corrosion in one or all the connecters that power/join that side of the circuit. 

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Headlights Not Working
« on: 14 February 2024, 07:22:59 pm »
It's a foxeye model, so both bulbs are supposed to be illuminated at the same time for dipped and main beam.

Since the flash works I've ruled out the bulbs for now.


Foxeye models use 2 H4 bulbs.  The high/beam elements are in the same bulb so it's possible the low beam elements have blown but not the high.  It's rare but I've seen it so check the bulbs first. Falling that check the fuses and that there's power to the switch, both sides.  If there is power in but not out it's the switch, corrosion, broken, earthed etc.  If theres no power in or out it's the wiring you need to check, same if power out.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Rear Brake Service Kit
« on: 12 February 2024, 03:39:12 pm »
The kit/s are available from Yamaha these are with and without pistons

1. A piston and seals (one side) is 51L-W0057-00 £71.71 last time I bought and fitted one, you'll need 2 kits if you want to replace both sides.

2. Seal kit this contains seals for both sides i.e. 2 main and 2 dust seals 51L-W0047-11 £38.33 last time I bought a kit.

You can get cheaper and almost same quality: - 

Yambits
Piston and seal kit £19.99 https://yambits.co.uk/fzs600-fazer-brake-caliper-piston-kit-rear-p-27154.html

Seal kit £5.99 you need 2 of them https://yambits.co.uk/fzs600-fazer-brake-caliper-piston-seal-kit-rear-p-18070.html

If you or the stealer are going to do the job properly, the caliper should be be split.  In which case I would recommend you also replace the caliper body seal Yamaha don't supply this.  They either intend the body isn't split (possible but harder and needs specialist tools to do the job, to guarantee not damaging the pistons) or reused, Which is possible but often the seal has become hardened and won't reseal properly if reused. 

In which case you need this from Yambits £2.99 https://yambits.co.uk/fzs600-fazer-brake-caliper-body-fluid-seal-rear-p-92407.html of the same part can be obtained from Suzuki's GS500 rear caliper.   

These kits from Yambits are good quality although not as good as OE, it's personal choice and pocket depth.

There is others like Wemto but I personally don't use them, I found their quality to be crap and not much better or the same as crap cheap fleebay stuff.

Other parts may also be required if they can't be cleaned or are damaged

Pad pins you may need 2

Yamaha
4FL-25924-00 £10.74 each

Yambits
https://yambits.co.uk/fzs600-fazer-brake-caliper-pad-pin-kit-rear-p-55618.html £6.99

Bleed screws you may need 2

Yamaha
15BW004800 £13.45 each this includes the dust cap

Yambits
https://yambits.co.uk/fzs600-fazer-brake-caliper-bleed-nipple-rear-p-5935.html £2.99

https://yambits.co.uk/fzs600-fazer-bleed-screw-nipple-cover-p-29313.html £1.25

It's also possible the Pad support shim is corroded/broken

This is only available from Yamaha 51L-25919-00 £12.64

All that said the actual condition of the caliper bodies, pistons etc will determine what you actually need.  Pistons can be cleaned and reused for example, the same may apply to bleed nipples, pad pins, dust cap and pad support.     

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: 1998 fzs 600 coolant o rings
« on: 09 February 2024, 01:11:01 pm »
 8)


OE are Nitron, hopefully you've got the correct size both ID,OD and thickness, they have a habit of picking non commercially available sizes.  You fit the non standard, they work for a while, then start leaking.   :rolleyes [size=78%]  [/size]

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: 1998 fzs 600 coolant o rings
« on: 05 February 2024, 02:03:24 pm »
i agree, ive got the elbows removed now but cant find anything showing the correct size o rings so just going to take to a shop that sell viton o rings to try and match some new ones up if they have the size


Just use the OE Orings: waterpump https://www.fowlersparts.co.uk/parts/4162098/fzs600-fazer-5dm4-1999-070-b/water-pump  part 24 No 9321015566 £1.76 each, ignore it's 1999 drawing they are all the same. 

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: 1998 fzs 600 coolant o rings
« on: 03 February 2024, 03:58:00 pm »
If you're referring to the elbows that go into the cylinder head between the intakes?  It's not worth the effort and faff trying just pull the crabs back by removing the rear air box rubbers.

That way it's done right 1st go.

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For Sale & Wanted / Re: Yoshimura Tri Oval Busa End Cans Boxed
« on: 03 February 2024, 12:59:22 pm »
Bump

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For Sale & Wanted / Re: Yoshimura Tri Oval Busa End Cans unboxed
« on: 03 February 2024, 12:58:46 pm »
Bump

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