Quote from: Grahamm on 21 June 2016, 05:37:51 pmGetting back to the original subject about the "extra amount" that the EU "demanded" from us (according to the terms that *we* agreed to!), If then we did agree to it then why did Cameron make lots and lots of big noises saying we wont pay and then very quietly paid it when the British public wasn't looking, very trustworthy actions from a man telling us to stay in the EU.
Getting back to the original subject about the "extra amount" that the EU "demanded" from us (according to the terms that *we* agreed to!),
Quote from: fazersharp on 21 June 2016, 05:50:04 pmQuote from: Grahamm on 21 June 2016, 05:37:51 pmGetting back to the original subject about the "extra amount" that the EU "demanded" from us (according to the terms that *we* agreed to!), If then we did agree to it then why did Cameron make lots and lots of big noises saying we wont pay and then very quietly paid it when the British public wasn't looking, very trustworthy actions from a man telling us to stay in the EU.Because he wanted to look "tough" to the public and the media. But if you think the Out campaign are being any more "trustworthy" then you're deluding yourself.
Here's proof that the EU Referendum is just an internal squabble in the Tory Party that the rest of the country has been dragged into...http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35616946
Do you really believe that ? - "an internal squabble in the Tory Party that the rest of the country has been dragged into" !
Especially after the EU leader's comments that "We have concluded a deal with the prime minister, he got the maximum he could receive, we gave the maximum we could give. So there will be no kind of renegotiation, nor on the agreement we found in February, nor as far as any kind of treaty negotiations are concerned".According to him, we already have the best possible deal. If we vote to stay, how are we going to change things, or get a better deal - we've just been told it won't happen by the man in charge !
I'm out...........http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNzHDLnJVbA
No - Jean Claude Juncker (the voice of the EU) has clearly stated that we will NOT have an option to try to change things.
The point I was trying to make (badly) was that in or out makes no difference to them really.
It's the smart voter that votes out.........
QuoteNo - Jean Claude Juncker (the voice of the EU) has clearly stated that we will NOT have an option to try to change things.I don't think that is what he has said, and in any case it is not up to him.If it is leave, and believe me I hope it is not, then DC will invoke EU article 50 - that is the process that allows any memeber step to leave. DC will then be thrown out of the room, and the remaining members discess our withdrawl.We can apply to rejoin, but conditions of joining are accepting the Euro, we would have to accept the Schengen area (passport free movement), we wouldn't get a rebate and all the stuff we have vetoed we'd have to accept. It does look like, once we are out we are out.And talking of out, we hear a lot of whinging that people like Jean Claude Juncker are unelected, well once we are out David Cameron is toast, he will sooner than later stand down, and the UK will shortly after be lead by an unelcted PM up until the next General Election.
Quote from: BBROWN1664 on 23 June 2016, 01:55:30 pm The point I was trying to make (badly) was that in or out makes no difference to them really.The coffin dodgers are likely as not to ones that voted us in, in the first place. But personally I do not think anyone over the age of 65 should have been allowed to vote in this referendum in the first place, and I am 67.But as I am able to vote my vot was to stay in by the way seeing as I live in France now, not fun to think that come tomorrow morning I may be an illegal immigrant. Still not to worried as if the vote is out I will just pull the old, seeing as I was born in N Ireland card and go get myself an Irish passport simples