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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Gearbox removal
« on: 11 March 2024, 02:20:26 pm »
Thanks. FYI I didn't use the FZR600 transmission, but the '94-95 FZR600R, which is identical to FZS600 and YZF600R Thundercat. I cheched all the parts, the shift forks look good, measured to be square, no bend. Shift drum is like new, the bike has 36 000 kms in it. Clutch is ok.Some gear dogs were rounded off unfortunately, but I was able to replace them with donor parts.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Help: gearbox removal
« on: 11 March 2024, 12:51:40 pm »
Disassembled the engine, removed the gears. TBH the gear dogs didn't seem too terrible, but if it jumps out of gear what can I do...I was lucky to find a low mileage gearbox from a '94 FZR600R, and combined the best gears into a working unit. The 2nd gear pinion is a b**** to remove and install... Now I wait for some Loctite sealant, then I'll reassemble the engine.Just for my own entertainement, added the costs of necessary parts together, if everything was new. Wow. Good thing that almost everything's available new, but a complete transmission overhaul, some crankshaft bearings, a complete gasket set adds up to the value of my bike, even if every work is done by me.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Cross contamination....I mean compatibility
« on: 05 March 2024, 09:55:37 am »
These ignition switches definitely not available, I'm afraid. That CMSNL page says: "Product is not available, add it to the watch list and receive a notification if it becomes available again." The only chance to obtain a new one is to find some old stock somewhere.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Cross contamination....I mean compatibility
« on: 04 March 2024, 05:08:29 pm »
I did a quick image search, and it seem the FZS 1000 switch looks the same, the only difference is the type of connector, but this is the easiest problem to solve. The harder part is this switch isn't available anymore...I simply bought a cheap switch from china, rewired it to match, and that's it.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Help: gearbox removal
« on: 21 September 2023, 09:42:13 am »
Thank you all.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Help: gearbox removal
« on: 20 September 2023, 05:19:53 pm »
English is not my first language - I mean the gears. The reason is the usual: I have to examine the gears, and shifter forks, it randomly jumps out of gears under load.Sooo, a complete engine disassembly waits for me, it seems....

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FZS600 Fazer / Gearbox removal
« on: 20 September 2023, 02:17:18 pm »
Dear experts, I have to take out the gearbox, it seems. The question is: if I take the engine out of the frame, is it possible to remove the lower half of the engine, and take out the gears WITHOUT removing the cylinders, pistons, cyl.head etc.? Thank you in advance.

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FZS600 Fazer / Replacement handlebar switches
« on: 27 July 2023, 08:23:02 am »
The switchblocks on the handlebar looked tired on my bike, not surprisingly. Found a very similar (and affordable) set on Ali [ https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32899338822.html?spm=a2g0o.order_list.order_list_main.435.6a4a1802d1IkEF ]. Recently installed it, and I would like to share my experience, for other owners, who wants to try it.- The connectors aren't the same. I bought new connectors on Ali, very cheap, I needed 2 pin (black coloured), 6 pin and 9 pin "2.8 mm" connector sets (white coloured), usually sold in 5 or 10 pcs in a bag, male and female versions. For example: [ https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001774997442.html?spm=a2g0o.detail.1000014.4.89e4slEGslEGAw ] These connectors are widespread on motorcycles.Using a multimeter and the factory wiring diagram I identified which wire goes where. The chinese swiches wired differently, they joined certain 12V and ground wires, which in theory could be OK, but the wires are thin, so I decided to make the wiring exactly the same as the originals. I had to add 2 extra wires per side, and separate some joined wires. The cluch switch connector must be changed to the new 2 pin black connector, the front brake switch connector remains as it is (I soldered over the crimping, to be honest I soldered over every crimped joints).
- The switch internals are good quality! That was a surprise, for the price. It's true, the Yamaha originals have metal tabs to hold the individual parts inside, but the the switches themselves are plastic. The aftermarked switches are built a little differently inside, no metal tabs, but they seemed good quality, I think they will work for a long time. Time will tell.- The new switches has positioning tabs, like the originals, and fit in the same position on the hadlebar.
- The new left switchblock has no choke lever, but it has a hazard lights button, I liked that, so installed a button on the choke directly on the left carburetor, and deleted the original remote choke lever.- I installed the switches, they work well, the hazard lights are working perfectly with the original flasher relay (bought an electronic one, just in case, but not needed)
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Fazer8 / FZ8 / Re: FZ1 fork internals into FZ8 forks
« on: 17 July 2023, 07:56:17 pm »
Update: my buddy says it worth it, he feels the forks became much better with this upgrade.

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Fazer8 / FZ8 / FZ1 fork internals into FZ8 forks
« on: 11 July 2023, 10:27:24 am »
Did some search here, and not sure if this was covered or not. Anyway, here it is: we did this swap yesterday on my buddys bike. The FZ1 internals complete with caps are a 100% fit into the non adjustable FZ8 forks. We just unscrewed the bottom allen bolt with an impact wrench, unscrewed the top cap, removed the old internals, drained oil, cleaned the fork inside, inserted the FZ1 ones, tightened bottom screw with impact wrench, poured in the oil (Motul 10W fork oil), did some air bleeding, bolted everything back and done. The internals are the same length btw.
We'll see how much improvement this means, if any.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Classic status
« on: 07 July 2023, 06:51:40 pm »
Here the license plate is exclusive to the vehicle. If we buy or sell a vehicle the plate comes or goes with it. The Oldtimer plate can be requested if the vehicle is in good and original condition, and goes through a special "vintage MOT". Then it  gets the new plate, the tax will be lower, the MOT is once in every 5 years. The value of the vehicle is higher on the market. It is not a junkyard refugee anymore, the people seems to appreciate it usually. You know, it's not an old junk on the road anymore, instead a valuable museum piece, haha... or something along these lines...

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Classic status
« on: 07 July 2023, 11:01:36 am »
I hope it will be recognized. Currently bastardized to "cafe racers", because cheap, reliable, plenty. But it will change. In my country I can register it as an "oldtimer" and can get an "OT-xxxx"-type license plate for it, in 2028.
To be honest the Fz/Fazer lineup never moved me, the only exception was the boxeye. For me is a cool looking bike, and the height of japanese reliabilty, true multipurpose bike, sporty if you want, comfortable if you want, has torque, has power, good sized but narrow tank, flickable, exceptional monoblock brake calipers etc., I could carry on forever. Never liked the newer versions, too much resemblance to virtually any other jap bikes of the era.
But last year finally bought a '98, and I don't plan to sell it, on contrary, did a complete restoration of it (except the everlasting engine).

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FZS600 Fazer / SITZFLEISCH seat cover (photo)
« on: 06 July 2023, 02:49:59 pm »
Last year I bought a new seat cover from Sitzfleisch, because mine had a little tear. The time has came to install it, and at the same time raised the front of the foam a little with adding seat foam from a scrapped car seat. This is easier said than done... Don't like to slip forward while riding, that's my reason for this. Did the work, next was installing the cover, which is a quality product, I recommend them (not affiliated). There's 3 versions of seat covers, normal, comfort, diamond. https://www.sitzfleisch.eu/products/yamaha-fzs600-fazer-bezug?variant=46653637558597 I bought the comfort version.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Motad full system.
« on: 21 June 2023, 01:36:18 pm »
Definitely interesting. Thanks for the report.

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Fazer8 / FZ8 / Re: Fz8
« on: 21 June 2023, 01:17:20 pm »
Yeah, we made a little trip last autumn with my mate, he has an FZ8, we swapped bikes for couple of kms. The FZ8 is basically a literbike, with reduced bore, therefore it has the weight, size and flickability of a literbike. The non-adjustable suspension isn't great, frame at the tank is wide, bike is heavy, rider triangle is sporty. On the plus side there's more torque and HP, the frame is rigid, seat is wider, build quality is good and I think it looks good, even today. Anyhow I wouldn't swap my bike for it, especially because my bike has upgraded suspension, adjusted for my weight. I like this old girl (FZS600) better.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Respraying frame and tank fzs 600 98
« on: 14 June 2023, 09:28:06 am »
Last year I did a complete paint job, so while my memory is fresh, a couple of advices:

Engine enamel will be cured with heat from the engine (do not cook it too high, though). If you used the proper stuff, you're good to go. I used Motip Engine Paint, it seems to hold.

Tank paint: Did you use simple 1k acrylic paint from a spray can? There's a chance it never really will be fuel resistant. You can try to overcoat it with clear spray lacquer, but it will not adhere well, if it's not done while the original paint is fresh (ie. clear coat it in 1-2 hours after painting). If the original paint is non-metallic, you can roughen it a little with sanding (ie. 800-1000 grit) and then overcoat it with clear.

Proper solution is a 2k car paint, either from a spray can, or applied with spray gun. That will be cured properly and will be totally fuel and oil resistant in couple of days. Obviously I you want metallic, that will be a base + clear coat job.

One more thing: I've seen 1k acrylic paint sprays labeled "2k". The proper 2k (2 component) paint is 1 part paint + 1 part hardener (non 1:1 ratio in reality), which must be mixed before use. In spray can format there's a little red cap, which contains the hardener, you mix it in by pushing the red cap.
The fake 2k paint (or simple 1k acrylic paint) is 1 part paint + solvent, which will evaporate on apply, but these paints won't be "cured", instead "dried" only, hence the low resistance against chemicals.

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  • it goes onto the idle adjusting screw
  • or it's one of the springs between the carbs, on the linkages
  • or elsewhere....  :D
Tell us later, which was it.


[Edited to remove some wierd text crap that got added to the post somehow! GrahamM - Moderator]

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Carb balance won't go
« on: 18 May 2023, 10:04:02 am »
When I bought my Fazer last year, the biggest problem was with the fuelling / carbs. It was somehow rideable, but very far from good.When I'm saying: rebuild it to avoid suffering, then I mean suffering = what you are doing now. You try to solve your problem, but who knows what's in a 20+ years old carb?
I decided to rebuild the carbs according to my list. Man... the rubber O-rings and seals were crumbling, cracking, they were hard, because of ethanol fuel and age. Brass parts were pitted because ethanol fuel absorbs water, water corrodes everything.IMHO the only solution is using those ethanol resistant viton seals (yes, you found the proper one on the litetek site), and replace brass parts beyond acceptable. I noted which jets needs to be replaced, and ordered them, but my sligthly pitted jets are still in the carbs now. With the cleaned, resealed, synchronised carbs the bike purrs like a kitten, totally worth it. I'll replace the jets later just for the peace of mind.If you know your carbs surely OK, then you can avoid a rebuild, but the Fazer is a simple bike; only a limited number of problems are possible: wrong valve gap, leaking carb boots, bad carbs. Maybe some ignition problem, but improbable.Let us know when you'll solve your problems, I'm curious!

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Hyperpro spring
« on: 16 May 2023, 11:34:42 am »
Proud owner of a rear YSS here. Highly recommended.

Regarding the front: I know I'm spoiled with my several Ă–hlins equipped road and race bikes, but I would never do the good old "just progressive springs + thicker oil" treatment. This don't make the front "better", only stiffer. There are fork valves (emulators), could be installed with a little mechanical knowledge, and they're the best things (on the budget) what can happen to these damper rod forks. YSS have the proper sized fork valves for the FZS600. Forget progressive springs, put in linears, for your weight. Progressivity must be adjusted with oil level.

My FZS on YSS suspension front and rear behaves very good on the road, plush, but don't collapses on hard braking or uneven tarmac. I was surprised how good it is. Recommend to put a cable tie on the right fork tube to check the fork travel.
Happy tinkering!

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Carb balance won't go
« on: 16 May 2023, 11:10:20 am »
Hi. I would do (I did) this, to avoid an endless suffering with the carbs:

0. while engine running spray brake cleaner around carb boots to check if they're airtight; idle should not change
1. order full seal, gasket and O-ring kit from [ https://www.litetek.co/ ]  (thai company, best quality and they have the proper sizes, quantities in their kit, and made of modern, ethanol infected fuel compatible materials (viton, etc.); don't buy from Yamaha!)
2. total carb disassembly, except butterfly + shaft
3. total cleaning with ultrasonic bath + compressed air, multiple times if needed, untill clean
4. check and replace every brass parts, which have signs of water (ethanol) erosion, or other damage
5. reassembly with new seals and new parts, put silicone grease on rubber parts while assembling
6. initial settings according to service manual (CO2 screw, etc)
7. carb balance, idle adjustment
8. success

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Sprocket Nut
« on: 17 April 2023, 03:14:31 pm »
I did the first sprocket change on my '98 last year (@36 000 kms), when I bought it, the original sprocket nut was definitely on, and was rock solid.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: MRA Screen…
« on: 07 March 2023, 07:04:56 pm »
I recommend the MRA clone spoiler, I bought one, and it works surprisingly well, in fact this way the Fazer is better than my previous TDM900 with any kind of touring screens.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Stop the bike dying in winter
« on: 01 March 2023, 11:56:48 am »
I  experienced bad behaviour on all my carbed bikes, even after 2 months of storage. My lawnmowers and other household gas-powered appliances were even worse, no idle, etc. (manufacturers recommend draining the fuel if you don't use the mower for a couple of weeks - maybe they're onto something). Disassembled the carbs multiple times,  there were greenish residue in them, cleaned with ultrasonic cleaner. Most of the brass parts (jets and others) looked heavily eroded under magnifier. This was on normal E95 with 5% ethanol only, now the standard is 10% ethanol. Since I realized all these problems were caused by the ethanol, I changed to 100 octane premium gas with MTBE (?) additive instead ethanol, and my problems are disappeared. I don't live in the UK, for your reference. However the Fazer has the eroded brass parts in it, somewhere in the future I have to replace everything, ouch. It runs OK after carb sync, but it's bugging me...
A small amount of 2 stroke oil can be mixed in when filling up with gas, it helps to coat and lubricate the parts of the fuel system, useful in winter storage.
Regarding "nobody has starting problems on ethanol fuel" well, I guess the 4 cylinder bikes are forgiving, they run even if there are small problems. Try to kickstart my TT600R thumper with ethanol ruined carb... that's a different story.

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FZS600 Fazer / Modern-ish bellypan
« on: 05 August 2022, 06:56:37 pm »
I searched for a new fiberglass bellypan, mostly on Ebay. There are a few, but i didn't like the shape. And the price.
So I turned to good old Aliexpress, and found a modern looking belly pan - I mean "engine spoiler" for the BMW F900R/XR. I ordered a set, knowing that maybe I cannot fit it, and have to throw it into the trash. But, for the price (US$ 42) it worth a try. After a lof of cutting and welding converted the BMW specific mounting hardware to fit the FZS, and also had to cut out some plastic on the left to avoid a cooling hose. Here's the result:

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: '98 tank overflow hoses routing - HELP
« on: 21 July 2022, 02:03:16 pm »
Closing this topic: routed the two owerflow hoses of the tank according to service manual, and now I see why Mr. Yamaha changed this solution to a rubber funnel on later models. The hoses are not long enough to reach their destination, if I want leave some lenght at the tank, to help lifting it. It means I have to unclip the hoses and pull back and free tem, BEFORE trying to lift the tank. Strange, but that's how it is.Anyhow, thanks again, both of you.

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