Author Topic: How to get away with murder: Be an American Diplomat's wife... (Read 19795 times)

fazersharp · « **Reply #75 on:** 21 December 2019, 04:01:55 pm »

Quote from: mtread on 21 December 2019, 03:39:51 pm

Absolutely. Also (assuming we keep it going) she'll be arrested in any other European country she visits under a European Arrest Warrant.

Actually that sounds like a bigger punishment than 2 weeks in jail. Which would include - would it ?- all of the uk territory in the Caribbean ruling out any nice cruises she plans on doing.

VNA - BMW Wank · « **Reply #76 on:** 21 December 2019, 04:04:51 pm »

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Can we leave politics out of this, this is about someones son dying in tragic circumstances and his parents finding a way to deal with that.

Politics got involved Steve. That's the whole point. The Foreign and Common Wealth Office (FCO), it would appear, wrongly advised Northants police that Anne Sacoolas had diplomatic immunity. The Dunn family have taken legal action against the FCO, in turn Dominic Raab – secretary of state for foreign affairs is taking legal action against the Dunns in order to recoup the governments costs in defending their undefendable decision.

You can’t take the politics out of a political mess.

Raab, made the wrong decision, he has misled the Dunns, and treated them most appallingly.

mtread · « **Reply #77 on:** 21 December 2019, 04:31:22 pm »

But that's not politics. (Far be it from me to defend the current government) but it seems that Raab gave the right advice. US staff at the base had waived immunity, but it wasn't waived for their families. Raab is now looking to correct the situation.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/dominic-raab-loophole-diplomatic-immunity-harry-dunn-a4318761.html

VNA - BMW Wank · « **Reply #78 on:** 21 December 2019, 04:57:42 pm »

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But that's not politics. (Far be it from me to defend the current government) but it seems that Raab gave the right advice. US staff at the base had waived immunity, but it wasn't waived for their families. Raab is now looking to correct the situation.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/dominic-raab-loophole-diplomatic-immunity-harry-dunn-a4318761.html

It gets more confusing by the day.

And Raab threatening to recoup costs from the Dunns? Nice guy.
Anyway she is refusing to retrun, and further she claims diplomatic immunity, and therefore does not accept the charge.
The US state Department spokesperson said

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"It is the position of the United States government that a request to extradite an individual under these circumstances would be an egregious abuse."

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/harry-dunn-dead-family-trump-administration-prosecution-extradition-a9256191.html

darrsi · « **Reply #79 on:** 21 December 2019, 09:58:23 pm »

As i said before, it's all about her husbands status, simple as that.

darrsi · « **Reply #80 on:** 22 December 2019, 08:54:11 am »

Asked during a visit to Estonia if suspect Anne Sacoolas should be extradited to the UK, Johnson said: "I think the best thing that I can say there is that the law should take its course and we will be obviously following that case with keen interest and continuing to make representations on behalf of Harry Dunn's family at every level."

Not quite sure what law he's on about?
I was always under the impression that if you were involved in a fatal traffic accident then you got taken down the station and grilled for a while?

VNA - BMW Wank · « **Reply #81 on:** 22 December 2019, 10:41:08 am »

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I was always under the impression that if you were involved in a fatal traffic accident then you got taken down the station and grilled for a while?

Sure, until the phone rings and it's Dominic Raab on the line.

mtread · « **Reply #82 on:** 22 December 2019, 12:11:03 pm »

Heard the Chief of Northamptonshire Police on the radio on Friday. Impressed with the way they handled it, but it was clear that they were told to let her go.

I'm very glad that the family have continued to pursue this.

mtread · « **Reply #83 on:** 04 January 2020, 11:57:50 pm »

Not giving up.
Family and friends of Harry Dunn have demonstrated outside the RAF airbase near where he was killed and warned that protests could spread to other bases across the country.
Almost 100 friends and supporters of the Dunn family temporarily blocked the entrance to RAF Croughton in Northamptonshire, asking the US authorities to comply with the UK extradition process. They highlighted the injustice of the fact that some US citizens are able to commit crimes on British soil and then depart without being subject to UK law.
Radd Seiger, spokesperson for the Dunn family, said: “If anybody in Washington thinks that anybody here is going to accept a position where it is OK for American service members to come over here and take a life and then get on the next flight home, well they’ve got another thing coming to them.
“We don’t want to do it but ultimately these [American] bases are posing a threat to us, not just in Northamptonshire but right around the country. If necessary, because we feel under threat, we will close them down.”
He said they felt a demonstration was “the only way we can get our feelings across to Washington”.
''Ultimately if they don’t send [Sacoolas] back we will not accept [RAF Croughton] being in our community,” he added.

VNA - BMW Wank · « **Reply #84 on:** 05 January 2020, 12:26:35 pm »

Good on them.

mtread · « **Reply #85 on:** 10 January 2020, 11:42:44 pm »

Extradition Request formally submitted by UK government today.
US officials call it 'highly inappropriate'
The ball is in their court.....

VNA - BMW Wank · « **Reply #86 on:** 11 January 2020, 11:07:47 am »

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US officials call it 'highly inappropriate'

In other words the UK can foc off.

mtread · « **Reply #87 on:** 11 January 2020, 06:06:54 pm »

Most probably.
But on the plus side, unless and until the UK withdraws the warrant, her movements out of the USA will be restricted for the rest of her life

robbo · « **Reply #88 on:** 11 January 2020, 07:52:05 pm »

A different president may view the situation differently.

agricola · « **Reply #89 on:** 11 January 2020, 08:01:20 pm »

I've got more of a positive view than some this, Id be surprised if she wasn't brought back at some point. She may also decide, if extradition starts to look a reality, to do a runner (again) and re-appear in a country with which we have no such extradition agreements. At which point, a snatch squad also becomes a risk to her

VNA - BMW Wank · « **Reply #90 on:** 11 January 2020, 09:04:08 pm »

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if extradition starts to look a reality

It isn't and it won't.

mtread · « **Reply #91 on:** 15 January 2020, 11:29:07 am »

I see Johnson has put his foot in it again. Suggesting publicly that the chances of extradition are 'very low'. This is after the family had agreed with the Home Office not to comment while the process continues.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-51117457

mtread · « **Reply #92 on:** 18 January 2020, 05:32:24 pm »

It keeps on happening (americans driving on the wrong side), including hitting a police car!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-51160840

fazersharp · « **Reply #93 on:** 19 January 2020, 07:23:21 pm »

Quote from: mtread on 18 January 2020, 05:32:24 pm

It keeps on happening (americans driving on the wrong side), including hitting a police car!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-51160840

I don't think that BMW in the link was doing anything wrong. In a small country lane with a hedge like that I would also be in the same position in the road which would give me a better view around the corner AND they can also see me, which was exactly what looks like happened. My only comment is that the BMW could of been going a little slower.

BBROWN1664 · « **Reply #94 on:** 19 January 2020, 08:08:47 pm »

Though I thought it was going too fast and drifted out if you look at the line it is taking once stationary

mtread · « **Reply #95 on:** 19 January 2020, 11:25:11 pm »

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I don't think that BMW in the link was doing anything wrong. In a small country lane with a hedge like that I would also be in the same position in the road which would give me a better view around the corner AND they can also see me, which was exactly what looks like happened. My only comment is that the BMW could of been going a little slower.

Not on a blind bend I wouldn't. You have no idea what speed some idiot is coming the other way.

fazersharp · « **Reply #96 on:** 20 January 2020, 09:55:40 am »

Quote from: mtread on 19 January 2020, 11:25:11 pm

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I don't think that BMW in the link was doing anything wrong. In a small country lane with a hedge like that I would also be in the same position in the road which would give me a better view around the corner AND they can also see me, which was exactly what looks like happened. My only comment is that the BMW could of been going a little slower.
Not on a blind bend I wouldn't. You have no idea what speed some idiot is coming the other way.

One always has to budget for the complete lack of common sense when talking to you

Obliviously each road and bend is going to be different, but I am talking about that one in the vid, the ~~road~~ country lane is not wide enough for two cars to pass so whatever happens any meeting of cars is going to result in them having to negotiate past each other, so by taking a wide line on that bend means that the idiot coming the other way will see me sooner and I will also see them.
As I said look at the vid - even if the BMW was hugging the left there is still not enough room for two cars.The vid is not a case of another yank driving on the wrong side of the road, nor was the BMW purposefully tactically positioning themselves for a better view but they were simply a tosser in a BMW driving too fast for the visibility on that road and they drifted out. By the looks of the lane they probably use that lane everyday for months without ever seeing another car - and got used to that.

Grahamm · « **Reply #97 on:** 20 January 2020, 09:57:09 am »

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Not on a blind bend I wouldn't. You have no idea what speed some idiot is coming the other way.

Hear hear!

The rule is Safety, then Stability *then* View!

And, of course, on a single track road, you have to allow double the stopping distance because any on-coming vehicle will also need space to stop too...

mtread · « **Reply #98 on:** 20 January 2020, 10:20:24 am »

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.The vid is not a case of another yank driving on the wrong side of the road,

.... and how exactly do you know that, Mr know-it-all ?

fazersharp · « **Reply #99 on:** 20 January 2020, 10:37:42 am »

Quote from: mtread on 20 January 2020, 10:20:24 am

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.The vid is not a case of another yank driving on the wrong side of the road,
.... and how exactly do you know that, Mr know-it-all ?

By looking carefully at the vid, the BMW when first appears is on the left - as far as it can be given the crappy nature of the nearside verge, it then drifts out - looks like going to fast. look at these screen grab pictures from when the car first is visible .

Also the curfuffle at the point they do pass is because the vehicle with the camera is a VW Transporter taking up most of the lane.