Cheers Noggy, I suppose if the knees are shot I can always go down the Honda 1200 VFR DCT route. A mate has just bought a cracker, 2012 bike 1900 miles £7000. He is 73 , he got a mate of ours to ride it down from Ramsgate two weeks ago. He has the seat lowering kit and bar raisers on it. He let me have a run on it last week before my ligement popped, what a machine, heavy but beautifully balanced. Added advantage is I can flat foot that one.