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Bikes, Hints'n'Tips => Fazer 1000/FZ1 corner => Topic started by: red98 on 06 May 2015, 08:27:31 pm
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The silver paint on my thou's engine is flaking bad, ive just replaced the fork seals so thought it a good time to sort the flakey paint out, forks off the bike so I can easily get to the front of the engine, started dismantling at the weekend, exhaust, radiator, oil filter +oil , clutch cover, generator cover and timing cover, going to blast the three covers as they are quite bad and are the first thing you see, will paint them off the bike and refit with new gaskets, front of the engine I will attack with gunk and a selection of wire brushes, a lot of it will be hidden by the rad and exhaust but it looks awful :eek....I bought a blast gun years ago but my compressor is not quite man enough to power it, got loads of air at work, most of it hot :rolleyes and the boss is away untill next week, guess what iam doing friday ;)
so, anyone else done this job ?.or got any tips ?...
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Repainted mine a couple of years ago , I cleaned the engine with engine cleaner , removed the loose bits with sandpaper , lightly rubbed the engine down , used Simonez is aluminium engine paint , doesn't need priming , I reckon it will be good for a couple more years , I did remove the radiator , downpipe , sprocket and air filter covers beforehand and used loads of paper and masking tape .
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I would not be grit blasting my engine with all of those holes leading to the internals. I know somebody who had an old Gardener engine and did exactly the same as you intend. He sealed all the holes, or so he thought. Guess how long the engine lasted when he started it up? It costs thousands for a strip down.
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hi OLD SON......just going to blast the covers off the bike,then a good flushing with gunk and an airline ;) ..then do as ESETEST ,with the rest of the engine ...
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I did mine while the removing the induction system thingy......cleaned it down with an anti greaser, lightly sanded off the remaining crap and used Simoneze Aluminium high temperature paint....came up a treat
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That looks good BBB.....painting the exhaust clamps was a good idea, mine are in a terrible state :\
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here's when i did mine. like any painting work it's time consuming to get right but it still looks good today... the thread turned into a sheared stud removal debate for while but essentially it's engine painting.
http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php/topic,12585.msg141399.html#msg141399 (http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php/topic,12585.msg141399.html#msg141399)
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WOW.....nice work BLUDCLOT :thumbup.......mines not going to be that good, its in a far, far worse state than yours :o
done a bit more this weekend, blasted the three covers , generator, timing and clutch.off the bike on friday, got rid of all the flaky paint sanded down too a smooth finish and are ready for painting, gunked the front of the engine and then I noticed the cam covers looking a bit rough.so...next job is to remove the AIS.had a look but cant see the best way to get it off so just about to sit down and ask mr haynes.......not taken the oil cooler off yet, so thats a job for one evening in the week, all being well I'll be painting next weekend....oh.need to remove the front engine mount crossmember and give that the same treatment.......very time consuming job, but will be worth it in the end :)
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My engine is paint is appalling. I'm too scared to remove the exhaust in case anything breaks/snaps. Maybe I'll grow a pair and do it soon
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:lol :lol ...yep,know what you mean fireblake :rolleyes ...theres a couple of fittings i would like to remove,offered up the socket but they aint budging......think i`ll mask them ;) ........crank case covers were the worse,everyone mentioned it when looking at the bike,ive blasted these and given them a good sanding,not too bothered about the front of the enging,just a little tidy up really....
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AIS off tonight....so,did mr yamaha start with the AIS and build the bike around it....bloody thing.might look at a removal kit as dont fancy re-fitting the thing.......time for a beer me thinks. ;)
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Red, my AIS is much cleaner than that one, do you to buy it? :lol It would look nice on the newly painted engine :lol
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I think ones enough unfazed :rolleyes :lol....does that mean you've fitted a removal kit ?
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Yes, when I put it back together after checking the valve clearances, changing the plugs and replacing the downpipes. (full stainless OEM ones)
I used the Holeshot kit which is run by Dale Walker , great guy to deal with.
There is no drilling or tapping with his kit http://www.holeshot.com//imgsrv/w_640/fz1/fz1_ais_cap.jpg (http://www.holeshot.com//imgsrv/w_640/fz1/fz1_ais_cap.jpg)
http://www.holeshot.com/ (http://www.holeshot.com/)
http://www.holeshot.com/fz1/ais_removal_kit.html (http://www.holeshot.com/fz1/ais_removal_kit.html)
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great link...thank you UNFAZED :thumbup .........looks better with the AIS out of the way and plenty of room to remove plugs and cam cover.......not my intention to spend money on extras for this bike,i bought it to ride it.think i may make an exception here though ;)
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The only reason I did it was to make it easier to service. :)
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Paul, you should have bought one of the later model bikes with the black engine finish, like I did ;)
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Paul, you should have bought one of the later model bikes with the black engine finish, like I did ;)
Did you purchase? :eek
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Paul, you should have bought one of the later model bikes with the black engine finish, like I did ;)
Come on then nick, what you got............
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Bit more progress this evening.removed front engine mount, oil cooler and cam cover.......next job is to mask everything and start prepping the surface... :)
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Sanded the cam cover today, just needs a rub over with some panel wipe and then all 4 covers will be ready for paint, just about to order new gaskets, was going to start masking tonight but its been a long day at work today and tomorrows going to be worse :\......roll on the weekend ;)
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Ordered clutch and alternator cover gaskets,£11.33 delivered, wemoto,.....cant find timing cover gasket though, started another thread for that ;)
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looking good red!
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When I removed my timing cover to fit an ignition advancer I just used a small amount of gasket paste when I refitted it.
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Wonder how it would look with black covers and a silver engine? :eek
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Funny you should say that UNFAZED...the round plug in the timing cover is rubber/plastic and I dont really want to paint it, its just starting to flake on the edges, hardly noticeable but I know its there :rolleyes so was thinking of stripping the silver off and leaving it black.........might work...
instant gasket it is then for the timing cover :thumbup
no work on the fazer today, started work at 7 this morning and only just got in.....time to chill ;)
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not black but dark enough to get the idea
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Mmmmmm, not bad, I have a black frame which I think will help...
busy with other things at the weekend so no fazer fiddling, did have a hour in the garage tonight though and made a start on the masking.
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Bought a few bits and pieces on the way home tonight, a bit more masking and blasted , cleaned and painted the front engine mount to give me a bit of motivation to get the job done ;)
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Oh hell :eek come on !!!! get going,,how long,zzzzzzzzzzz,,it's worse than watching paint dry,,except you have not painted it yet :lol :lol :lol :lol
Going back to sleep :evil
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It would have been quicker and easier to have pulled the engine out than do all that masking up :eek
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:lol :lol :lol .......masking now finished ,wire brushed front of engine,should be painted by the end of the weekend :)
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Doh :\ :'(,, no paint to look at yet,,,just writing my Christmas card list,won't be long now :lol :lol :lol
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I didn't say which weekend :lol...have you read my "stuttering thread " ?..... :rolleyes
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Up early this morning, finisned sanding the block, scotchbright pad all over, bit more masking and I think all the hard work is now done, next is to give it a blow down and a wipe over with some panel wipe ....should have some paint on later today, ill post a piccie so SLIMWILLY can watch it dry :lol
will give the garage a quick tidy before I start, why I have to completely empty my tool box and spread the contents over the floor to do a simple job ill never know :o
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I think I preferred "what's in the safe?" :rolleyes
Just. Feckin. Get. On. With. It.
:lol
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Up early this morning, finisned sanding the block, scotchbright pad all over, bit more masking and I think all the hard work is now done, next is to give it a blow down and a wipe over with some panel wipe ....should have some paint on later today, ill post a piccie so SLIMWILLY can watch it dry :lol
will give the garage a quick tidy before I start, why I have to completely empty my tool box and spread the contents over the floor to do a simple job ill never know :o
I think you need a bigger garage :lol
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I think I preferred "what's in the safe?" :rolleyes
Just. Feckin. Get. On. With. It.
:lol
What was in the safe, can't remember now
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Me neither :lol
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A damp squib :lol
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looks like some really good work going on. the top fairing and everything else will take overspray if not masked....
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Cheers bludclot...out on my 600 today so no work on the thou, great ride though, engine just needs a wipe over with some panel wipe and its ready for painting, got some old blankets to wrap the rest of the bike in, quick and easy .... ;)
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CAUTION....wet paint....please do not touch......
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Very nice
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Looks very good Red. Did you manage to get behind the block, below the carbs easy enough? How many coats did you use?
I really need to do mine.
Mickey
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Looks very good red. :thumbup
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Cheers guys :)......day off today, so scotch bright all over and gave it another coat.iam using HYCOTE VHT paint, not used it before, not a bad match colour wise, coverage is really good and no runs...will leave it now untill the weekend to fully harden and then start to put things back together .
FIREBLAKE....back of the engine was ok so didnt paint, I just blended in on cylinders 1+4.when I de-mask I'll take a piccie of that area and post here...
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Cleaned the rad bottom center bracket tonight, the one that bolts to the centre of the engine, sprayed with grey primer in readyness for a top coat of black, hung it up to dry and then brushed by it and knocked it too the floor :o...I'll start again tomorrow :rolleyes
Fitted the slotted timing cover plug to see what the colour match is like, I haven't painted the plug, not perfect but not bad ....
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looking great red.
painting can be a nightmare - i finished my r6 wheels with their final coat of lacquer on my garage floor, stood up and knocked a spanner off the shelf which fell into the rear wheel and bounced around it before settling, took a step backwards in horror at what i had done and back heeled the front wheel which fell off the wooden supporting blocks and put a load of marks into the rim!
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morning bludclot....nice to know iam not the only one :lol .....just given the bracket a rub down and another coat of primer,off to work now so now chance of any more damage ;)
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Me and Bludclot. Brother from another Mother
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Removed masking, fitted genie cover, sprocket cover, thermostat housing , cam cover,top two coolant hoses and plug leads, oh...kicked the timing cover across the garage floor just so I could re-paint it again :o :o :o
not going to re-fit the AIS as ive been given some blanking plugs , hand crafted from the original pipes by RED CERI....cheers buddy :thumbup
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Bit more fazering tonight, found a good fitting plug for the air box, where the AIS was fitted, also made a plug for no4 inlet rubber for the same reason....fitted oil cooler and pipe work and also the front engine mounting bar.....oh, and fitted a new oil filter ;)
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Paint those rusty nuts!!!!
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Looking good Paul.....................................now you know what you need to do for an engine re-paint, I'll drop mine off at yours and you can turn it around in a few days :D Could be a business opportunity re-painting engines.
You could become the Falcon269 of engine re-paints
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:lol :lol :lol.....not sure about that ceri :lol.........be interesting to see how long it lasts, I'll post a piccie after a few miles.
so whats left to do.............clutch cover
Timing cover
Exhaust
Rad
Tank
Seat
Oil
Forks
Calipers
mudguard
think thats it, renewed the insurance on monday so keen to get out.oh, one more item to add to the list.....tax :rolleyes
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:lol :lol :lol .....not sure about that ceri :lol .........be interesting to see how long it lasts, I'll post a piccie after a few miles.
so whats left to do.............clutch cover
Timing cover
Exhaust
Rad
Tank
Seat
Oil
Forks
Calipers
mudguard
think thats it, renewed the insurance on monday so keen to get out.oh, one more item to add to the list.....tax :rolleyes
Are you going to paint them all silver? :eek :lol :lol :lol
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:lol :lol :lol......think that might be a little to much for me.....I am a bit worried with the amount of silver I've added to the bike over the last couple of weeks, I recon its got to amount to an extra 25 bhp, remember my bikes bodywork is also silver, all in all I think the beast will be pushing out close to 250 bhp by the time iam finished....
just fitted the clutch and timing cover, also painted the exhaust mounting flanges.........yep, more silver :eek
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Bit more done tonight, cleaned up the exhaust collector box, serviced the exup and fitted the downpipes.....slowly getting there ;)
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Has anyone polished the collector?
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Glad you picked up on that NORTHWESTERN....I cleaned it up and was going to paint it silver, always though it looked wrong unpainted and untidy....might go back to it another day ;)
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When I put my Akra silencer + link pipe on it needed some loops welding on the collector side for the springs (the link pipe was a race Ti one for an R1), I knocked off the surface dirt etc with a sanding disk and it was bright and shiney, I always wondered if anyone had taken the time to polish it all up.
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It always amazed me that Yamaha didn't add a little screw on chromed cover either side to hide the bare metal? I suppose that would just be another thing with Cheese bolts the 2nd or 3rd owner would have to sort out before sorting the seized EXUP bolts.
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Out with my son yesterday on our push bikes.a great day spent at bracknel forest :thumbup....got back early evening and straight out to the garage, fitted the rad, front forks, mudguard and brake calipers, up at 6 this morning and fitted all the little bits and pieces and filled the coolant system, pushed the starter and started instantly. :).........let it run up to temperature and checked for leaks both oil and water, all good.....5 mins on the PC and its taxed, iam off :D :D
I also replaced the fork seals and oil and could feel the difference instantly, well worth doing if not been done for a while.stopped after about 5 miles and gave the bike a quick check over, oil, water etc, all good so I head out towards oxford and drop into 'H's cafe at dorchester for brekkie, about 100 miles this morning in brillant sunshine and thd bike ran well, stopped at wallingford for ice cream and piccies....happy with the results, but it has made other bits and pieces look a bit shabby :rolleyes
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Excellent job Red, look like a new engine :thumbup
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Thank you UNFAZED :)........such a nice day I went out again this afternoon, just up to the ace cafe for tea, about 25 miles, got off the bike and I had a little trickle of coolant running off the bottom of the front sprocket cover, could'nt see where it was coming from and no tools to get the cover off, stopped after a couple of minutes so I bought a bottle of water and took it easy on the way home stopping and checking the level every few miles, got home ok, took the sprocket cover off and moved the hoses about a bit and got sprayed with coolant from the hose that runs from the union to the left of the front sprocket to the back of the cylinder barrels, I must have trapped it when fitting the cover :o.......
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small picky point even though the job is brill no way would i have put them exhaust nuts back on id gotten some stainless uns just my thought
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Well spotted devilsyam.i bought some stainless domed nuts, went to fit them but were too shallow, hitting the inside of the dome before being tight on the exhaust flange, should have checked size before buying :o....might remove the exhaust to paint the collector box, if I do I'll get the correct nuts and fit them then...
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If the nut is too shallow could you put a washer or two behind them?
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Coukd of done andy, but it would of taken more than one :o :lol
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Engine does look smart though. Mine has one or two little marks but not enough to make me repaint it but you've shown what can be done.
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looks great red good job :thumbup
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Seams to be a common problem on the silver engines...took me longer than expected but had to be done...if yours is not too bad how about touching it up with a small brush ?
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Touch up would probably do, your colour match looks good do you think spraying a bit into the lid and then a small brush is viable.
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looks great red good job :thumbup
cheers mr crazy.......trying to tidy the old girl up a bit ;)
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Touch up would probably do, your colour match looks good do you think spraying a bit into the lid and then a small brush is viable.
Yeh, I think that would do it, ive got a couple of small chips to do and plan to paint them this way...ive used hycote paint, the match is good but its a bit too matt, ive also used simoniz on other projects and this has more of a sparkle to it, think this would be a better match for the fazer....
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Simoniz it iz then..
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Have a heart! "A bit shabby", it makes my bike look positivly unloved!
A bit like the day I saw my mates ex-wife after she got a boob job. I had forgotten just how good looking she could be.
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Hi paul....as with most piccies on the interweb, bike is not as clean as images imply...bike has seen many winters and some of the alloy components are pitted, paint on the wheels is flaking as well, my next job ;)....got it cheap though, bought to ride not repair, had two summers on it so far and its ready for this years fun.....boob jobbie booked for end of month...cant wait :lol
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Useless......lol
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My scabby girl. Still a fantastic ride though (http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/06/09/e38688261c320fb76ea94a5aabff1852.jpg) (http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/06/09/95c3947742f2cd9c61a4d7231c2c51a2.jpg)
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My scabby girl. Still a fantastic ride though
and what's the fazer like? :lol
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Seams to be a problem with the silver painted engines, worth putting up with though as they have a lot more horses than the black ones :pokefun