Nemanja Matic has chosen not to wear a poppy because at the age of 12 he was bombed by NATO forces. He probably knows more about war than most.
I completely agree. But it seems that some quarters use the poppy to celebrate nationalism.
Quote from: mtread on 05 November 2018, 09:53:40 pmActually I have some problems with WW1. Empire vs Empire, shell shocked soldiers shot at dawn, public schoolboys blowing whistles so that poor devils could run at machine guns. Lions led by donkeys. Not our greatest moments. What has that got to do with remembering the sacrifices of those who died? It's not about remembering the generals, the politicians, who sent these men to the slaughter.
Actually I have some problems with WW1. Empire vs Empire, shell shocked soldiers shot at dawn, public schoolboys blowing whistles so that poor devils could run at machine guns. Lions led by donkeys. Not our greatest moments.
I buy a poppy but don't wear it all the time. Actually I have some problems with WW1. Empire vs Empire, shell shocked soldiers shot at dawn, public schoolboys blowing whistles so that poor devils could run at machine guns. Lions led by donkeys. Not our greatest moments.
Errr, isn't that pretty much what VNA was saying?. Or have I missed something?.
<blockquote>Nemanja Matic has chosen not to wear a poppy because at the age of 12 he was bombed by NATO forces. He probably knows more about war than most.</blockquote>Errr, isn't that pretty much what VNA was saying?. Or have I missed something?.
Aparently a number of Irish football players in the English premier league have been booed. Such behaviour is replusive. It just the same stupid patriotic mob mentally that leads to war in the first place. QuoteI buy a poppy but don't wear it all the time. Actually I have some problems with WW1. Empire vs Empire, shell shocked soldiers shot at dawn, public schoolboys blowing whistles so that poor devils could run at machine guns. Lions led by donkeys. Not our greatest moments. Indeed, I used to wear a Red Poppy. Some of the stuff you mention there is why I now wear a white poppy. Though no I don’t wear it all the time. Just now and again in the lead up to remembrance, simply because the white poppy is very much mis-understood. And as for those who refused to fight. Well I also have a great respect for them. Those who objected during the first world war were treated appallingly. And there were many who didn’t want to go, but you could say it was easier to go than to say no.Aye and spare me the ultimate sacrifice pish when it comes to ww1, most were simply and needlessly slaughtered, even told to walk towards the enemy machine guns.Aye soldiers shot at dawn. And for a variety of reasons. Some picked at random and shot just as an example to the troops. Gee then up a bit with a random execution. What what.
led by donkeys.
Quote from: mtread on 05 November 2018, 09:53:40 pm led by donkeys. That's mostly untrue. In the main they were experienced proffesional generals used to fighting small colonial wars. They had to adapt to a conflict on this scale fast. https://www.express.co.uk/news/world-war-1/453259/The-lions-were-not-led-by-donkeys
Quote<blockquote>Nemanja Matic has chosen not to wear a poppy because at the age of 12 he was bombed by NATO forces. He probably knows more about war than most.</blockquote>Errr, isn't that pretty much what VNA was saying?. Or have I missed something?. Umm no. But that is a very valid point, an import point indeed. My point is he is Serbian. The Red Poppy Appeal represents 'our' war dead.
It still exists to this day - it's called Sandhurst ! No different to a Graduate Engineer who's thought process is "I can't do your job but my book says you're doing it wrong". Educated idiots the lot of them
So did you serve under all of them?
Is that like tongue in cheek army banter about all of the officers?.
But some will then use the experience of their veteran NCOs until they gain the necessary experience to be the leaders of men. That, in my book, is how an officer can be good right from the start. We can't all be born a Caesar or an Alexander.
yes and banter in the armed forces is good, it goes something like inter department rivally then inter ship then inter service then inter nation! but at he end of the day you stand next to the bloke you just been scrapping with and share a pint or 2 and ask how did that start lol!!
public schoolboys blowing whistles so that poor devils could run at machine guns.
Quote from: mtread on 05 November 2018, 09:53:40 pmpublic schoolboys blowing whistles so that poor devils could run at machine guns. The officers certainly didn't escape the slaughter on the battlefield either.17% of officers died compared with 12% of the regular soldiers.