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Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
« Reply #150 on: 11 April 2013, 09:59:57 PM »
did you ever read my post TC underinvestment results in

And of course the Royal Mail is purposefully being run down and subject to cherry-picking to make it ripe for privatisation. Another momentous private failure, ending of the universal rate and fleecing of the cash-cow public coming to a town near you.

I thought you were all about choice after all didn't you want to be able to choose exactly which electrons and water molecules flowed to your house? Not much choice at the moment when it comes to choosing who to post your letters with is there? Royal Mail. Erm Royal Mail and ahhhh Royal Mail.

I said nothing about being pro-choice. I pointed out to you the fact that we have mock competition in the utilities and the railways, and that real competition is impossible to achieve.

If you drew the conclusion that I am pro-choice and all for competition then you are wrong. Competition clearly has its place and can do good. But the private sector has been a failure in providing the infrastructure upon which our country is built. Royal Mail and the universal rate is part of that infrastructure. The NHS is part of that infrastructure. The utilities are too.

If the private sector can demonstrate delivery of a public spectacle such as the Olympics then I'll eat my FZ1.
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Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
« Reply #152 on: 11 April 2013, 10:09:54 PM »
did you ever read my post TC underinvestment results in

And of course the Royal Mail is purposefully being run down and subject to cherry-picking to make it ripe for privatisation. Another momentous private failure, ending of the universal rate and fleecing of the cash-cow public coming to a town near you.

I thought you were all about choice after all didn't you want to be able to choose exactly which electrons and water molecules flowed to your house? Not much choice at the moment when it comes to choosing who to post your letters with is there? Royal Mail. Erm Royal Mail and ahhhh Royal Mail.

I hate to be pedantic about a point I agree with, but your point isn't exactly true.  TECHNICALLY speaking, you COULD post everything through DHL, FedEx, or through a courier company. However, none of those firms have a) got the same coverage as a nationalised postal service, and b) none are as cheap. People vote with their feet.

Interestingly enough, in France, the postal service is nationalised for letters, but parcels are sent via a private firm, Collissimo, who work exclusively for La Poste. You can send a parcel via Collissimo from any post office in France - a possible solution for the Brits?
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Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
« Reply #153 on: 11 April 2013, 10:12:13 PM »
If the private sector can demonstrate delivery of a public spectacle such as the Olympics then I'll eat my FZ1.

In the UK, or anywhere in the world? In either case, I hope you're hungry...  :evil
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Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
« Reply #154 on: 11 April 2013, 10:18:24 PM »
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Struggling to understand how I can have the freedom of choice to choose which supplier's water molecules and electrons I can have delivered to my house.


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Likewise, if I want to take a train from Guildford to London, I don't have a choice of trains from different providers to choose from.

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And privatisation of the utilities and railways has resulted in entities in which no real competition can ever operate (I'd like to have different water and electricity delivered to my house, please)

That's where I got the idea you want choice from. Your very own words.

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Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
« Reply #155 on: 11 April 2013, 10:20:25 PM »
Technically speaking wasn't LOCOG a private company?

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« Reply #156 on: 11 April 2013, 10:20:52 PM »
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Struggling to understand how I can have the freedom of choice to choose which supplier's water molecules and electrons I can have delivered to my house.


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Likewise, if I want to take a train from Guildford to London, I don't have a choice of trains from different providers to choose from.

and finally

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And privatisation of the utilities and railways has resulted in entities in which no real competition can ever operate (I'd like to have different water and electricity delivered to my house, please)

That's where I got the idea you want choice from. Your very own words.


Then you misinterpreted, as I pointed out.

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« Reply #157 on: 11 April 2013, 10:22:45 PM »
I interpreted what you put. Not my fault if you're not clear in your discussions. Those statements clearly state you want choice and competition but yet are an advocate of single entity state owned utilities and services. No wonder I'm bloody confused!

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Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
« Reply #158 on: 11 April 2013, 10:24:07 PM »
Technically speaking wasn't LOCOG a private company?

Good grief. You really are clutching at straws. I wasn't aware that LOCOG paid for the Olympics.

I'll eat my FZ1 when private enterprise funds and provides a spectacle of Olympics proportions in the UK.

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Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
« Reply #159 on: 11 April 2013, 10:25:02 PM »
I interpreted what you put. Not my fault if you're not clear in your discussions. Those statements clearly state you want choice and competition but yet are an advocate of single entity state owned utilities and services. No wonder I'm bloody confused!

Edited; Now children, civility to one another if you don't mind. There's debate, discussion and even argument, but if we can refrain from hurling insults about then I'll be a happy Aegis and the Admin stick can remain covered in cobwebs and dust.

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Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
« Reply #160 on: 11 April 2013, 10:26:16 PM »
Tonight
 
QUESTION TIME 2235 BBC 1
 
May just help with the debate and understanding of each others rationals.
 
It may not change each others point of view but could be an insight.
 
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« Reply #161 on: 11 April 2013, 10:27:00 PM »
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If the private sector can demonstrate delivery of a public spectacle such as the Olympics then I'll eat my FZ1.
you didn't say anything about 'pay' you said deliver. They delivered. Rather admirably it must be said although somewhat over budget it would appear.

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« Reply #162 on: 11 April 2013, 10:27:28 PM »
I interpreted what you put. Not my fault if you're not clear in your discussions. Those statements clearly state you want choice and competition but yet are an advocate of single entity state owned utilities and services. No wonder I'm bloody confused!

My, isn't that a lovely fluffy lamb over there. Golly gosh, must mean summer is on it's way by Jingo. Huzza!!

Nice.
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Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
« Reply #163 on: 11 April 2013, 10:37:44 PM »
you didn't say anything about 'pay' you said deliver.

Another demonstration of twatdom. You clearly read what you want to read, and see what you want to see. Despite me telling you my views on competition and the fact you'd misinterpreted one of my comments, you insist that you know what I believe in, and that I do not know what I believe in. And you just had to continue arguing this.

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Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
« Reply #164 on: 11 April 2013, 10:40:02 PM »
Typical of the looney left to resort to responses like that.

Goes along well with the celebration of a death.

As I said many posts ago, have a word with yourselves, it's pathetic and does your cause no good whatsoever. Toys out of pram!

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Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
« Reply #165 on: 11 April 2013, 10:42:37 PM »
Okay kiddies, I enjoy a good popcorn thread with the best of you, but if we can keep the personal insults off the thread I'd be a far happier Aegis.

At the end of the day it's an internet forum, doesn't say much for all of us if we can't have a reasoned debate without hurling abuse at one another.
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« Reply #166 on: 11 April 2013, 10:43:40 PM »

Guess you must be one of Maggie's alleged millions that just gobbled up shares in companies you already owned, bought your council house and couldn't give a toss about the jobless millions or the homeless you step over to get to your privately owned ex local authority family home which now houses you and your ego.

Oh yes we should all look on the brightside, 10 million years ago I might have been eaten by a sabre toothed tiger, try saying that to Welsh Miner who lost his home and saw his village and family torn apart as they all had to leave to find a menial job for minimum wage just so you can drink champagne and talk about your financial portfolio.

This is fucking priceless  :rolleyes

When someone comes along and removes the shackles of socialism to sink or float as best I can, admittedly without much help, then I rejoice, but then I guess that's not a very popular point of view.

My old man was as blue collar as you can get, yet when I was 9 (in 1980) he bought me a computer because he could see it was a way out for me, it's one of the two or three things I like about him. Guess what, it paid off as that computer put me on a path that provides for me and my family now, many years later.

I never said I couldn't give a toss about jobless millions, and I'm aware that some people get a much rougher deal than me, but just because I care I should throw out sound financial policies because of a bleeding heart. New Labour did that and look what a shitty mess they left behind.

Personally I think that my life is much better for not being hunted by sabre-tooth tigers but they, that's me.

My champagne years with a chocolate box thatched cottage and heated swimming pool are over. Doesn't mean they won't come about again, and I'm working my nuts off to make sure I get back to that position - why the fuck shouldn't I?

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« Reply #167 on: 11 April 2013, 10:44:10 PM »
You clearly read what you want to read, and see what you want to see.

One of the best examples of "pot and kettle" I've seen in a long while :rollin

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« Reply #168 on: 11 April 2013, 11:10:07 PM »
Being an anarchist, and all in favour of free speech, etc, it pains me to agree with an admin. But Aegis has a valid point. Swearing at each other achieves nothing.

This entire thread, the entire rejoicing about Maggie's death says a hell of a lot more about the posters than it does about Thatcher herself. What have we achieved, what has the entire "ding dong" movement achieved? Sod all, all it shows is that there are many embittered people out there who can't put things behind them, and will likely go to the grave cursing, and wishing ill of all and sundry.

And before you lay into me, I'd like to clarify a few things:

--> I am a Breton, more so than a Brit. the Bretons are known forn their stubborness and refusal to forgive. Yet this outpourong of undiluted hatred would shame the most embittered crone of the deepest cranny of Brittany

--> I am too young to have lived under Thatcher. I do know, however, that blaming todays problems on Thatcher is daft. We've had enough politicians between her and now to fuck us sideways twice, and still have time to flip our pension funds over for seconds.

--> This thread is very ironically being kept alive by anti-Thatcher sentiment. Surely if you're so happy she's dead, you should want to put all thought of her behind you, and achieve some kind of closure on the matter?

--> Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I do have respect for the dead. Just because Hitler and Stalin were evil bastards does not mean I will go and dance on their graves. I would not like to stoop to their level.

The way I see it, an old tired woman has shuffled off this mortal coil. As a Catholic, I believe there is retribution in the next life. What ever the mistakes she made whilst alive, she's gone now. Time to move on, and let her go.
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« Reply #169 on: 11 April 2013, 11:12:46 PM »
Excellent post Christo :thumbup

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« Reply #170 on: 12 April 2013, 12:02:55 AM »
Well said Christo.

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« Reply #171 on: 12 April 2013, 01:00:14 AM »
http://maggiethatcher.com/pisstube.html


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« Reply #172 on: 12 April 2013, 01:34:38 AM »
http://maggiethatcher.com/pisstube.html


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« Reply #173 on: 12 April 2013, 10:08:17 AM »

This is fucking priceless  :rolleyes

When someone comes along and removes the shackles of socialism to sink or float as best I can, admittedly without much help, then I rejoice, but then I guess that's not a very popular point of view.

My old man was as blue collar as you can get, yet when I was 9 (in 1980) he bought me a computer because he could see it was a way out for me, it's one of the two or three things I like about him. Guess what, it paid off as that computer put me on a path that provides for me and my family now, many years later.

I never said I couldn't give a toss about jobless millions, and I'm aware that some people get a much rougher deal than me, but just because I care I should throw out sound financial policies because of a bleeding heart. New Labour did that and look what a shitty mess they left behind.

Personally I think that my life is much better for not being hunted by sabre-tooth tigers but they, that's me.

My champagne years with a chocolate box thatched cottage and heated swimming pool are over. Doesn't mean they won't come about again, and I'm working my nuts off to make sure I get back to that position - why the fuck shouldn't I?

Glad you liked it, I aim to please.
 
Not sure what you are trying to prove with the statement above, you were bought a PC in 1980 and it opened a door for you, ok, so what?
 
Do you expect every Welsh Miner to throw down their pick axe and embrace the new technological world and cry "thankyou Maggie for destroying my way of earning a living and opening my eyes to the career I really should have chosen"
 
Just because it worked for you at aged 9 does not mean it will work for a middle aged man who has done nothing but dig all his life, who wasn't privilged with the same level of education you had, especially on technology that wasn't even dreamed about when he was at school, working his bollocks off to put food on the table for his kids and keep a roof over their heads.
 
Way to come across as 'fuck everyone else, I'm alright jack'.
 
Anyway that point is moot as you were aged 9 in 1980 when I was at work striving to be the best apprentice I could only to have it all snatched away from me at the finishing post.
 
Of course you don't care about Thatcher the destroyer, you weren't there and it didn't affect you. In fact you think it benefited you as you can't see the repurcussions that are still going on today.
 
By the way your wonderful technology isn't worth a wank without fossil fuels to power it - good luck with solar and wind power, I hear they're doing really well, should have enough power to light a whole street by next year (unless the weather changes of course).
 
So we are all still dependant on dirty men working on oil rigs, down pits and in the bowels of dams, mining, drilling, creating and maintaining these resources.
 
Except none of that comes from the UK anymore or if it does (like North Sea Oil) it is financed overseas, with overseas employees and the profits go guess where - over fucking seas.
 
Still the main thing is you're ok.
 

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« Reply #174 on: 12 April 2013, 10:20:31 AM »
On the other hand, you could get off your arse, accept the world is changing, and move with it.

Still, I suppose the inflexibility would allow us to have a "jurassic park" type setup without having all the hassle with the "recreation from dna" business

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