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Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
« Reply #25 on: 08 April 2013, 07:30:29 PM »
I suppose I'd better give this a spin sometime tonight;

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Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
« Reply #26 on: 08 April 2013, 07:32:21 PM »
If any of you had ever studied anything about economics you'd be mourning her death - under her rule an economy suffering a ridiculous level of inflation, held to ransome by unions was changed into a globally strong and powerful economy. Some of her moves were tough, yes, but if she hadn't had the balls to do what she had the ENTIRE UK economy would have entered a GREAT depression, akin to that suffered by Germany after WW1.
Unemployment may have been high during her period in office, but that was not her fault - you can trace this back to decades of under investment in the British economy by previous governments - it was her bad luck that it was during her time that this came to a head and drastic measures had to be taken.
She cut government spending massively, privatised hideously unprofitable branches that were previously gvoernment owned (improving profits and cutting customer prices in many cases as a result of this).
She didn't just benefit the rich either! She opened the stock markets to your everyday man, over a million families bought their own homes as a result of her policies, and the drop in income tax from 33% to 25% she instituted benefitted many less well off families.

Say what you like about her, she made a success of the country in one of it's darkest hours!

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Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
« Reply #27 on: 08 April 2013, 08:14:40 PM »
How delusional.

The UK and most of the western world are in deep mire and in far darker times than happened here in the 70s. The entire western capitalist system is collapsing under the greed of bankers, corporations, tax havens and fairy monopoly money, all unleashed initially by this bitch and continued with Blair and now the ConDems. Now these same people are blaming the benefit claimants for the world's ills and for killing children. And privatisation of the utilities and railways has resulted in entities in which no real competition can ever operate (I'd like to have different water and electricity delivered to my house, please) and which have become money-leeching cartels. Just like the bankers.

You have realised that it is socialism that is preventing the economic system from collapsing right now (privatise the profits, socialise the losses). However, even socialism isn't magical -- the system will collapse, then just you wait to see the social unrest. Poll tax riots are a kid's birthday party in comparison.

You need to open your eyes, mate.
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Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
« Reply #28 on: 08 April 2013, 08:19:58 PM »
Can you explain how state owned utilities and rail companies encourages competiton and freedom of choice? Struggling to understand that one to be honest

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Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
« Reply #29 on: 08 April 2013, 08:21:45 PM »
Can you explain how state owned utilities and rail companies encourages competiton and freedom of choice? Struggling to understand that one to be honest

ANother good point!
You end up with a monopoly, as due to the lack of competition there is no emphasis on being profitable, so organisations become extremely wasteful - which we then pay for in taxes!

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Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
« Reply #30 on: 08 April 2013, 08:22:12 PM »
Like or Loathe her (personally I have an equal measure of both) she will be remembered long after the current crop of politician's have faded into a distant memory
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Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
« Reply #31 on: 08 April 2013, 08:24:41 PM »
Can you explain how state owned utilities and rail companies encourages competiton and freedom of choice? Struggling to understand that one to be honest

Struggling to understand how I can have the freedom of choice to choose which supplier's water molecules and electrons I can have delivered to my house.

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Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
« Reply #32 on: 08 April 2013, 08:25:57 PM »
Can you explain how state owned utilities and rail companies encourages competiton and freedom of choice? Struggling to understand that one to be honest

ANother good point!
You end up with a monopoly, as due to the lack of competition there is no emphasis on being profitable, so organisations become extremely wasteful - which we then pay for in taxes!


Like the extremely wasteful, inefficient and socially useless private banks, which the taxpayer is paying for.

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Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
« Reply #33 on: 08 April 2013, 08:31:02 PM »
 
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If any of you had ever studied anything about economics you'd be mourning her death - under her rule an economy suffering a ridiculous level of inflation, held to ransome by unions was changed into a globally strong and powerful economy.

Yeah I remember under Thatcher getting a 12% pay rise as inflation had rocketed to some 10% by about 1990.  A few years before that I got fleeced by her Poll Tax that took 1.5 months money out of my hands in tax.
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Some of her moves were tough, yes, but if she hadn't had the balls to do what she had the ENTIRE UK economy would have entered a GREAT depression, akin to that suffered by Germany after WW1.

You mean like what we are in now?  Isn't capitalism great!
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Unemployment may have been high during her period in office
High?  You bet it was. 4-5 million high, and she did it intentionally.  And how did she do it, how did she cover all the social costs of the unemployment that she callously and intentionally created, you know the unemployment benefits etc etc..  Well she wrote a cheque with Scottish oil, the oil of which she kept lying about how much we had.
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privatised hideously unprofitable branches that were previously gvoernment owned (improving profits and cutting customer prices in many cases as a result of this).
Are you foccing serious?  Look around you at the massive monopolies delivering crap services, paying shitty wages to staff (how then need to claim benifits!) on poor terms and conditions (which in turn focs the economy) whilst paying poor performing bosses a fortune on which they pay little tax.  What a success! 
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She opened the stock markets to your everyday man
Fleeced again, sold us what we already owned.  Where is the stock market going these days?  What happened to all the pension plans, remember those magical endowment capitalist fantasy policies.
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over a million families bought their own homes as a result of her policies
And we now have some of the poorest housing stock in Europe.  House prices are through the roof, and billions of pounds in benefits payments go not to claimants but to rich Tory Landlords.  Councils have lost their rental income.
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Say what you like about her, she made a success of the country in one of it's darkest hours!
You can trace the roots of where we are today, a bankrupt de-industrialised nation that makes nothing, stuck in a tripple dip recession with an even wider gap between rich and poor than ever before and with the same foccing idiots digging an even bigger hole for us all.
 
Roll on the 18th of September 2014!

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Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
« Reply #34 on: 08 April 2013, 08:34:01 PM »
Can you explain how state owned utilities and rail companies encourages competiton and freedom of choice? Struggling to understand that one to be honest


Struggling to understand how I can have the freedom of choice to choose which supplier's water molecules and electrons I can have delivered to my house.


Erm try this for a start. http://www.uswitch.com/

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Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
« Reply #35 on: 08 April 2013, 08:38:57 PM »
apparently she'd only been in Hell a few hours when she shut three furnaces down  :eek
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Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
« Reply #36 on: 08 April 2013, 08:39:13 PM »
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Can you explain how state owned utilities and rail companies encourages competiton and freedom of choice? Struggling to understand that one to be honest

You might want to read up on The East Coast Line.

Dumped by at least two private operators, as despite the subsidies (care to explain why bosses should be given millions of pounds when they are running subsidised services?) as they failed to make a go of it, loathed by passengers, it's back in public hands being run efficiently and on time - so what's gonna happen now - it's gonna be privatised!

What Thatcher  has proved, what Major has proved, what Blair, Brown and Cameron have proved, is that privatisation of public utilities and services is a failure and the biggest ever rip off of public and tax payers funds.  It's robbing the poor to pay the rich, and when it all falls apart, who steps in, why you've guessed us poor folks that got robbed in the first place! 

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Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
« Reply #37 on: 08 April 2013, 08:39:33 PM »
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You can trace the roots of where we are today, a bankrupt de-industrialised nation that makes nothing, stuck in a tripple dip recession with an even wider gap between rich and poor than ever before and with the same foccing idiots digging an even bigger hole for us all.

So those folks that ran the place from 97 to 2010 did what exactly?

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Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
« Reply #38 on: 08 April 2013, 08:40:20 PM »
Can you explain how state owned utilities and rail companies encourages competiton and freedom of choice? Struggling to understand that one to be honest


Struggling to understand how I can have the freedom of choice to choose which supplier's water molecules and electrons I can have delivered to my house.


Erm try this for a start. http://www.uswitch.com/


Oh dear. You really don't understand what I said, do you? Have a think. The concept isn't hard....

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« Reply #39 on: 08 April 2013, 08:46:11 PM »
Can you explain how state owned utilities and rail companies encourages competiton and freedom of choice? Struggling to understand that one to be honest


Struggling to understand how I can have the freedom of choice to choose which supplier's water molecules and electrons I can have delivered to my house.


Erm try this for a start. http://www.uswitch.com/


Oh dear. You really don't understand what I said, do you? Have a think. The concept isn't hard....


Nope I don't you're right. Not a clue how a single state owned utility company supplying the whole country gives you more choice than a multitude of privately owned utility companies. Let me go away and ponder some more because it must be something really obvious that I'm

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Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
« Reply #40 on: 08 April 2013, 08:54:53 PM »
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So those folks that ran the place from 97 to 2010 did what exactly?

What folks.  You mean the New Tory Party, led by Thatcher in troosers, the bloody thirsty, war mongering liar Tony Blair?

Does that answer your question?

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« Reply #41 on: 08 April 2013, 08:55:19 PM »
You're obviously one of the thickos that the Tell Sid campaign seduced.

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Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
« Reply #42 on: 08 April 2013, 08:56:08 PM »
 Fail to see how we (the tax payer) are now paying more to subsidise the Rail Companies than we did when it was Nationalised,
But the private companies make a profit is better for the Tax payer.

Council House sales shortage of affordable housing, housing benefit now going to private landlords and not local authorities is really a brilliant way of spending our money ?

Anybody remember Halifax, Abby National and a few other Building Societies that couldn't lend more money than they had from their investors, and couldn't go gambling in the City of London to raise cash.
You know those old entities from back in the day when you had a choice of more the just a few too big to fail banks to get a mortgage from.

Wonder what lending would be like now, if they were all still Building societies, and what the house building and construction industry would be doing?
 
Actually I wonder how we would be doing if we hadn't moved into Maggies service based economy where we moved from financial services being 3% of our GDP to 40% of our GDP ?



 
 

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« Reply #43 on: 08 April 2013, 08:57:59 PM »
You're obviously one of the thickos that the Tell Sid campaign seduced.

Hang on. Give me a chance. Still pondering. One option giving me more choice than many. Woooooo nearly got it then. Nope. Still eluding me. Damn this is tricky.

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Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
« Reply #44 on: 08 April 2013, 09:03:53 PM »
You're obviously one of the thickos that the Tell Sid campaign seduced.

Hang on. Give me a chance. Still pondering. One option giving me more choice than many. Woooooo nearly got it then. Nope. Still eluding me. Damn this is tricky.


Here's a clue.

If I switch my water or electricity provider from company ABC to company XYZ, I am getting the same water molecules and the same electrons delivered to my house regardless of provider.

Likewise, if I want to take a train from Guildford to London, I don't have a choice of trains from different providers to choose from.

The utilities and the railways are populated by middle-men spivs on the take and using the public as a cash cow simply because they can. They're not providing any function beyond creating cartels. They're exactly like the bankers.

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Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
« Reply #46 on: 08 April 2013, 09:07:23 PM »
Like or dislike, she is dead. She was somebodies mum, sister and daughter. Some of you need to have some respect.

Evil?? What a completely stupid thing to say. Some of you commenting are not enough old enough to remember her let alone comment. Shame on you!

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Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
« Reply #47 on: 08 April 2013, 09:09:57 PM »
Like or dislike, she is dead. She was somebodies mum, sister and daughter. Some of you need to have some respect.

Evil?? What a completely stupid thing to say. Some of you commenting are not enough old enough to remember her let alone comment. Shame on you!

Tell that to the communities that she ravaged and destroyed. She was an evil selfish bitch and I'd love to piss on her grave.

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« Reply #48 on: 08 April 2013, 09:14:51 PM »
She did what she thought was right at the time.

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« Reply #49 on: 08 April 2013, 09:15:04 PM »
everybody is somebodies Daughter Son  father Mother etc, could say that about Hitler and anybody.
I speak of the dead as I spoke of them in life.
It my thing trying not to be a hypocrite  :lol