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Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
« Reply #575 on: 26 March 2020, 06:44:25 PM »
How many self-employed people are now wishing they hadnt fiddled their books? :pokefun

I am sure they will still be better off when you look at their real earnings (and government help) over a number of years but they may be in for a financial shock over the next few months
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« Reply #576 on: 26 March 2020, 06:45:23 PM »

They've said they expect the banks to loan them the money for 3 months.
Add to that, they wont be paying their tax this quarter so should have some money in the bank to tide them over a bit
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Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
« Reply #577 on: 26 March 2020, 06:48:10 PM »
NHS Scotland does not recommended you go to hospital.  In fact they ask that you not go to hositpal, that is except in the most exceptional of circumstances.  Charlie, we are told has mild symptoms.

I said after 7 days, and I have doubt little he would have been, they aren't going to blatantly break the rules it's too easy to check.  After that you ring 111 they then tell you where to go and get tested.  If you have it they monitor you, HRH at the moment has got mid symptoms and will be monitored, if it gets worse to a point he needs ventilating they will admit him, same as you or I.  I don't believe at the moment his private hospital has an ITU he, will have to be treated by the NHS. 
 

NHS Scotland states for those with symptoms  you must stay at home for 7 days from when your symptoms began.
 
If your symptoms become severe then call your GP or 111.


See above
 


Some folks in cottages and self-catering accommodation where asked to leave and go home last week.  Just a wee bit OTT.

No, as stated, if any got ill the local NHS couldn't handle it, plus they're are spreading, the lock down should have happen weeks ago!

We're facing a crisis not seen in living memory. This virus has hit the world at speeds never seen before, people are dying within days of contracting it in their 1000's probably millions when it gets going in India, Africa, South America. 

These idiots wanted to go on holiday, WTF are they on!   
 

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« Reply #578 on: 26 March 2020, 07:02:49 PM »
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Add to that, they wont be paying their tax this quarter so should have some money in the bank to tide them over a bit
Under Self Assessment they pay tax every 6 months. Next advance payment wasn't due until end of July
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« Reply #579 on: 26 March 2020, 07:20:47 PM »
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Quote from: mtread on Today at 05:35:24 PM
 
 
    On another point, applause for Rishi Sunak in respect of his deal for the self employed  :thumbup
 
Shhh, don't let VNA hear you say that!

VNA has to be honest, I struggle to get my head round the financial implications of all this, and indeed how to deal with it.  I accept that we must not allow our NHS to become overwhelmed, and everything possible should be done no matter the cost.
 
I know little of Rishi Sunak.  The manner in which Sajid Javid left was most worry some, and Sunak appears to have been dropped in as Johnson’s yes man.   But he doesn’t come across as your usual arrogant Tory dummy, I’m not convinced he’ll be a yes man in the long run.  Though there are concerns over his hedge fund management past.


Anyway, I struggle with the scale of this, and I’m not up to speed on it, but if it has been agreed with the Trade Unions and opposition then so be it.


In the long term, it’s how do we recover from this?  I’m afraid that perhaps Sunak will have to follow up his emergency socialist budgets with socialist tax increases – and maybe turn the screw on those tax dodging capitalist Hedge Funds – that could prove tricky. 
 
 

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« Reply #580 on: 26 March 2020, 07:31:51 PM »
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Quote from: VNA on 23 March 2020, 11:42:03 PM<blockquote>Quote<blockquote>But only if you're an essential worker  </blockquote> That is not correct.
The official guidance is here
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/874714/Full_guidance_on_staying_at_home_and_away_from_others.pdf
The key line is
Quote<blockquote>●Travelling to and from work, but only where this absolutely cannot be done from home. </blockquote>However I am classed as an essential worker.
</blockquote>

And your essential work is?

Cick the link.  Read the guidance. 

I quote - again;
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1. STAYING AT HOMEYou should only leave the house for one of four reasons.●Shoppingforbasicnecessities,forexamplefoodandmedicine,whichmustbeasinfrequentaspossible.●Oneformofexerciseaday,forexamplearun,walk,orcycle-aloneorwithmembersofyourhousehold.●Any medical need, or to provide care or to help a vulnerable person●Travelling to and from work, but only where this absolutely cannot be done from home
The critical sector list is to allow those key workers to continue to send their children to school.
The advice may change, it things continue to get worse, it may be only key workers continuing to travel to work.  That will include myslef - unless my employer sends me home.
   



And your essential work is?



And your essential work is?
There are so may quotes there I have lost track of who you are asking.



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« Reply #581 on: 26 March 2020, 07:35:54 PM »
Just to change direction, here's something to look forward to.......
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« Reply #582 on: 26 March 2020, 07:38:05 PM »
 
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I said after 7 days, and I have doubt little he would have been, they aren't going to blatantly break the rules it's too easy to check.  After that you ring 111 they then tell you where to go and get tested.  If you have it they monitor you, HRH at the moment has got mid symptoms and will be monitored, if it gets worse to a point he needs ventilating they will admit him, same as you or I.  I don't believe at the moment his private hospital has an ITU he, will have to be treated by the NHS. 

If you go to hospital with mild symptoms after 7 days they will send you home with a flea in your ear.


You will not be tested – you will not be monitored – you will be told to stay at home and rest.
 
His foccin Royal Highness did not meet the NHS Scotland criteria for a Covid19 test.
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These idiots wanted to go on holiday, WTF are they on! 
I’m talking about people in self-catering accommodation last week, whom had booked weeks or months ago. 
 

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« Reply #583 on: 26 March 2020, 08:32:21 PM »
If you go to hospital with mild symptoms after 7 days they will send you home with a flea in your ear.

You will not be tested – you will not be monitored – you will be told to stay at home and rest.

Wrong....... if you self isolate and still have symptoms after 7 days then after calling 111 and they assess you need a test they will test you, in his case that must have happened or they wouldn't have tested him.  If after having the test and them assessing you don't require direct medical help they'll send you home and monitor you, not in the physical sense by way of you contacting them if you get worse.  If they don't test you after the 7 days self isolation and you've got Covid19 all that will happen is you infect more people!  Now that would be sense wouldn't it.
 

His foccin Royal Highness did not meet the NHS Scotland criteria for a Covid19 test.


Yes he did or they wouldn't have tested him, do you think Nicola Fish (SNP) is going to allow the English Royalty to abuse the Scottish NHS without screaming.................. not bloody likely!  And if they have and she finds out she no doubt will..............we'll just have to wait and see.     




I’m talking about people in self-catering accommodation last week, whom had booked weeks or months ago.


So what, the time scale that they booked has no bearing.  The situation had changed, so should have they, disappointing but hay get on with it, people are dying. 
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« Reply #584 on: 26 March 2020, 08:38:31 PM »
 
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The Scottish nationalist who doesn't do nationalism :lol
The Scottish campaign for Independence is not a nationalist movement.  It is an inclusive moment. 
There are Scottish nationalists but I am not one of them, I do however thirst for and believe in Scottish independence.
 

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« Reply #585 on: 26 March 2020, 08:49:30 PM »
 
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if you self isolate and still have symptoms after 7 days then after calling 111 and they assess you
 
Yes correct.  That is exactly what I have been saying. :thumbup
 
HRH had mild symptoms – he did not meet the current criteria for testing.  He was tested because he is royalty.  Go and check the Scottish NHS web site.

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If after having the test and them assessing you don't require direct medical help they'll send you home and monitor you,
Currently with NHS Scotland you’ll only get tested after 24hrs in hospital.  HRH was not in hospital for 24hrs.  He was at home with mild symptoms.


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es he did or they wouldn't have tested him, do you think Nicola Fish (SNP) is going to allow the English Royalty to abuse the Scottish NHS without screaming.................. not bloody likely!  And if they have and she finds out she no doubt will..............we'll just have to wait and see.     
What I will tell you is that she will not be rocking the boat on this one.  The SNP will defend HRH to the hilt.

 

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« Reply #586 on: 26 March 2020, 09:00:14 PM »
How many self-employed people are now wishing they hadnt fiddled their books? :pokefun

I am sure they will still be better off when you look at their real earnings (and government help) over a number of years but they may be in for a financial shock over the next few months
A reminder that it is not all self employed, just the ones who have lost out because of the virus, but I do not know how it will be worked out. Say you are a self employed super market trolley repairer you have still got work.
Perhaps they will go by what you say your business is that you write on the self assessment.
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« Reply #587 on: 26 March 2020, 09:05:40 PM »

Currently with NHS Scotland you’ll only get tested after 24hrs in hospital.  HRH was not in hospital for 24hrs.  He was at home with mild symptoms.


As stated earlier HRH truning up for a test is just not happening for reasons stated, admitting him for 24hrs is an even worse scenario.   




The SNP will defend HRH to the hilt.


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« Reply #588 on: 26 March 2020, 09:06:04 PM »
A reminder that it is not all self employed, just the ones who have lost out because of the virus, but I do not know how it will be worked out. Say you are a self employed super market trolley repairer you have still got work.
Perhaps they will go by what you say your business is that you write on the self assessment.
I dont think that would work. For example, my brother in law is a graphic designer who is sat at home with no work as all of his customers have closed down but if his customer was the NHS, or Netflix etc that are spending money on advertising still, he would not be sat at home with no work.
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« Reply #589 on: 26 March 2020, 09:12:13 PM »
As stated earlier HRH truning up for a test is just not happening for reasons stated, admitting him for 24hrs is an even worse scenario.

He had mild symptons.  No action was required - other than self isolation - preferably at home -  and not at your highland bolt hole.    He did not meet the NHS Scotland critieria for a test.   HRH was tested because he is HRH. 

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« Reply #590 on: 26 March 2020, 09:18:19 PM »
HRH was tested because he is HRH.



And because it gets a message to the masses that not even he can escape this so stay in your bloody homes!!!

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« Reply #591 on: 26 March 2020, 09:34:24 PM »
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HRH was tested because he is HRH.



And because it gets a message to the masses that not even he can escape this so stay in your bloody homes!!!

Indeed.  Though one is allowed out for a walk once a day. And next week I've got work to go to.
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« Reply #592 on: 26 March 2020, 10:18:12 PM »
lucky man  :thumbup

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« Reply #593 on: 26 March 2020, 10:28:42 PM »
 
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Well, I guess.  Weather outlook up north and snow conditions look perfect.  Ah well.

But yeah, I can get out my house and I’ve got no bad options from my doorstep. 
Tonight’s stats look worry some – time tae hud ontae oor bunnets.  :eek
 

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« Reply #595 on: 26 March 2020, 10:59:58 PM »
As stated earlier HRH truning up for a test is just not happening for reasons stated, admitting him for 24hrs is an even worse scenario.

He had mild symptons.  No action was required - other than self isolation - preferably at home -  and not at your highland bolt hole.    He did not meet the NHS Scotland critieria for a test.   HRH was tested because he is HRH.


He is at home................... end of.
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« Reply #596 on: 26 March 2020, 11:17:19 PM »
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He is at home................... end of.
That's great news.  It's good to hear he has done the right thing and returned home to England. :)

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« Reply #597 on: 26 March 2020, 11:21:20 PM »
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A reminder that it is not all self employed, just the ones who have lost out because of the virus, but I do not know how it will be worked out. Say you are a self employed super market trolley repairer you have still got work.Perhaps they will go by what you say your business is that you write on the self assessment.

Nope, all self employed will get it, whether they are still working or not. That was the dilemma and reason for the delay. HMRC has no way of knowing who is still working normally, who is working but making less profit, and who isn't working at all. They've gone for the only feasible option, to give it to all. The limit of £2500 per month, and nothing for earners over £50k is to stop it getting too much. Oh and it'll be taxed, so you won't actually get £2500.
Of course, what happens when eventually they look at people's 2020/21 Tax Returns, is another matter....

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« Reply #598 on: 26 March 2020, 11:23:30 PM »
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He is at home................... end of.
He has cleared off to his second home (paid for by us) like everyone was told not to.

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« Reply #599 on: 26 March 2020, 11:27:45 PM »
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He is at home................... end of.
He has cleared off to his second home (paid for by us) like everyone was told not to.


Nope......... he's got four  :rolleyes   and if you read my first on this your see why I think he did. 
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