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Re: This is NOT an attempt to start a discussion...
« Reply #2150 on: 14 March 2020, 12:31:49 AM »
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Yep...in 1997

Vintage champagne socialist  ;)

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« Reply #2151 on: 14 March 2020, 08:25:31 AM »
 :lol
Beauty is in the eye of the beerholder.

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« Reply #2152 on: 14 March 2020, 12:40:57 PM »
 Anyway, will Covid19 be Trump’s undoing.


First off, he told us that it was fake news – a Democratic Party conspiracy to undermine him -then that there was nothing to worry about as America had it under control.  Then yesterday he declares a national emergency.


Trump has built his reputation on the economy and stock market performance.  The US like the rest of us now faces recession and the Dow Jones is in free fall.


Trump has prided himself on doing all he can do dismantle Obama care.  Universal health care, a socialist concept, Trump tells us has no place in capitalist America. 



US elections are on November the 3rd.  With a recession, a market in freefall, and health care emergency - but care only for those with money – will Trump survive?
 

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« Reply #2153 on: 15 March 2020, 07:04:24 PM »
 So, what do we do with BREXIT? :rolleyes


I mean we are in the middle of a global health emergency.  I’m guessing that BREXIT will neither be a priority for us or our neighbours.  Like trying to do a complex trade deal, that usually takes many years, in a matter of months just ain’t gonna work.  Not to mention it may at times be difficult to even hold meetings. :(


So whatdayathink?  My guess, is at some point in the next month or so it will be announced that BREXIT is to be delayed until spring next year at the very earliest. :lol


And you know what, maybe, just maybe, we might review the whole thing and ditch it. :)
 

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« Reply #2154 on: 15 March 2020, 07:56:37 PM »
So, what do we do with BREXIT? :rolleyes


I mean we are in the middle of a global health emergency.  I’m guessing that BREXIT will neither be a priority for us or our neighbours.  Like trying to do a complex trade deal, that usually takes many years, in a matter of months just ain’t gonna work.  Not to mention it may at times be difficult to even hold meetings. :(


So whatdayathink?  My guess, is at some point in the next month or so it will be announced that BREXIT is to be delayed until spring next year at the very earliest. :lol


And you know what, maybe, just maybe, we might review the whole thing and ditch it. :)


I think you need some counselling :)

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« Reply #2155 on: 15 March 2020, 11:38:43 PM »
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I think you need some counselling

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« Reply #2156 on: 16 March 2020, 05:54:38 AM »
Perhaps we would have had it if the remoaners hadn't tried every dirty trick in the book to stop Brexit and deny the will of the people for 3 years

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« Reply #2157 on: 16 March 2020, 09:16:21 AM »
If you check your facts, I think you will find that it was the hard Brexiteers that stopped May delivering Brexit for most of those 3 years.

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« Reply #2158 on: 16 March 2020, 10:33:53 AM »
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Perhaps we would have had it if the remoaners hadn't tried every dirty trick in the book to stop Brexit and deny the will of the people for 3 years

No it was the hard line ERG within the Tory party that repeatedly stopped BREXIT.
Nor is it the role of the opposition (the clue is in the name) to deliver government business.
Further as for the will of the people;
Only two out of the four nations in this union voted for BREXIT.
Almost 2/3rds of Scots voted to REMAIN in the EU.
I am sorry but repeating the same old lies time after time will not change the facts.
Facts are facts, you cannot have your own facts.
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« Reply #2159 on: 16 March 2020, 10:38:24 AM »
Same old. same old

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« Reply #2160 on: 16 March 2020, 10:41:43 AM »
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Same old. same old
........ what, facts?
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« Reply #2161 on: 16 March 2020, 07:45:18 PM »
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Same old. same old
That's the problem with facts - they don't change.

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« Reply #2162 on: 16 March 2020, 07:49:54 PM »
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Perhaps we would have had it if the remoaners hadn't tried every dirty trick in the book to stop Brexit and deny the will of the people for 3 years

No it was the hard line ERG within the Tory party that repeatedly stopped BREXIT.
Nor is it the role of the opposition (the clue is in the name) to deliver government business.
Further as for the will of the people;
Only two out of the four nations in this union voted for BREXIT.
Almost 2/3rds of Scots voted to REMAIN in the EU.
I am sorry but repeating the same old lies time after time will not change the facts.
Facts are facts, you cannot have your own facts.


Then stop repeating them

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« Reply #2163 on: 17 March 2020, 11:29:19 AM »
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Then stop repeating them
Yes I know - there are lots of people who don't like facts - there are lots of people repeating lies in the hope they somehow  become facts - then there are those with 'alternative facts' - but the truth is facts are facts - and that's a fact.

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« Reply #2164 on: 17 March 2020, 11:31:26 AM »
 So what should we do – continue to spend billions on BREXIT preparations?
 
Or spend money increasing our woefully small stock of ventilators to keep people alive, whilst protecting our collapsing economy.


 

 
 

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« Reply #2165 on: 13 April 2020, 01:19:13 AM »
Well, it looks like some people were right:

It was Labour's fault they lost the last election...

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"This report completely blows open everything that went on".

"We were being sabotaged and set up left right and centre by McNicol's team and we didn't even know. It's so important that the truth comes out", the source added.

The report claims private communications show senior former staff "openly worked against the aims and objectives of the leadership of the Party, and in the 2017 general election some key staff even appeared to work against the Party's core objective of winning elections".

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The examples from chat archives published in the document include:

    Conversations in 2017 which appear to show senior staff preparing for Tom Watson to become interim leader in anticipation of Mr Corbyn losing the election

    Conversations which it is claimed show senior staff hid information from the leader's office about digital spending and contact details for MPs and candidates during the election

    Conversations on election night in which the members of the group talk about the need to hide their disappointment that Mr Corbyn had done better than expected and would be unlikely to resign

[...]

The investigation also accuses the former General Secretary Lord McNicol, and other senior figures of providing "false and misleading information" to Jeremy Corbyn's office in relation to the handling of antisemitism complaints, which the report claims meant "the scale of the problem was not appreciated" by the leadership.


So, like Blair, they would rather lose the election than win on a socialist platform and did their best to undermine their own Party and leader so they could get their own, preferred candidate into the leader's place.

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« Reply #2166 on: 17 April 2020, 08:11:43 PM »

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« Reply #2167 on: 03 June 2020, 04:00:12 PM »
 Nissan has announced that its Sunderland plant will not be viable without a tariff free trade deal with the EU.
The plant employs 6,700 staff, not to mention all the jobs that indirectly support the plant.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/jun/03/nissan-sunderland-plant-at-risk-if-uk-leaves-eu-without-deal-brexit#maincontent
 

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« Reply #2168 on: 03 June 2020, 04:16:14 PM »
Nissan has announced that its Sunderland plant will not be viable without a tariff free trade deal with the EU.
The plant employs 6,700 staff, not to mention all the jobs that indirectly support the plant.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/jun/03/nissan-sunderland-plant-at-risk-if-uk-leaves-eu-without-deal-brexit#maincontent


Depends which news source you want to listen to. Last week we were praising the fact that Nissan had shut its Barcelona factory and moved more production to Sunderland
A few weeks ago they were moving production of Renault cars here too.

Seems like an odd move of they are worried about the future of the plant 🤷‍♂️


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« Reply #2169 on: 03 June 2020, 05:15:28 PM »
Nissan has announced that its Sunderland plant will not be viable without a tariff free trade deal with the EU.
The plant employs 6,700 staff, not to mention all the jobs that indirectly support the plant.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/jun/03/nissan-sunderland-plant-at-risk-if-uk-leaves-eu-without-deal-brexit#maincontent

Depends which news source you want to listen to. Last week we were praising the fact that Nissan had shut its Barcelona factory and moved more production to Sunderland
A few weeks ago they were moving production of Renault cars here too.

Seems like an odd move of they are worried about the future of the plant

Not necessarily, Sunderland is I believe one of the most efficient of their factories.  Switching production short term is a tactic used while they rebuild/invest in the plant they've moved it from, with the intention of moving it back for the long term or prepare to move it elsewhere. 

If we don't get a deal, all products being manufactured and shipped into Europe or made here and exported to any country we don't have a deal with will cost more.  A very high percentage of our manufacturing/trade is shipped into Europe, or as it the case of Nissan and nearly all car manufacturing, parts are made shipped, assembled and reshipped for final assembly in many EU counties including the UK.  Any part of that chain will stop soon after post no deal, as it will push up the final cost of product rendering then uncompetitive for sale in the EU or any other country the EU deals with.  Regardless of how efficient Sunderland is, the extra tariffs and admin cost will still make it unvirable without long term very heavy investment, effectively subsidising production to keep it in the UK.  That's not an option as it's way cheaper just to move it to an EU country.     

It's a sad fact, no deal means our products over night substantially increase in price.  Yes we probably get the Boris US deal if Trump stays in, but it will be crap mostly one sided and will not make up for the losses.  We can also expect a lot more of BA tactics, going forward.  :(


           
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« Reply #2170 on: 03 June 2020, 05:31:20 PM »
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es we probably get the Boris US deal if Trump stays in

I mean it beggars’ belief.  Who do you trust and who do you want to prioritise trading with?  Your reliable, steady and dependable immediate neighbours, or an unpredictable half wit several thousand miles away.
And do we really want to flooded with second rate nasty American products that will undermine our own economy.
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Depends which news source you want to listen to.
It is what Nissan have stated.  Sunderland is one of their top factories, but if they is No Deal they’ll ditch it.
 

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« Reply #2171 on: 04 June 2020, 10:52:35 AM »