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Re: This is NOT an attempt to start a discussion...
« Reply #425 on: 10 November 2019, 11:18:28 PM »
Here is a piece written in the Independent by a Firefighter who attended the Grenfell Tower fire:

I was a firefighter at Grenfell Tower. Here's the truth behind the myths

In it, he explains the reasoning for the Stay Put policy, this is because each flat is supposed to be a self-contained safe area, from which people can be rescued when it is safe and feasible for the Fire Brigade to do so.

That does, however, rely on those flats *staying* safe, but when the cladding has been done with material that is *not* non-inflammable (because that was a bit cheaper), the principle breaks down.

For Rees-Mogg (who knows *nothing* about fighting fires) to pontificate about this is arrogant and callous.

Oh, and very probably, the only reason the report was leaked early (despite there being an official embargo) was that the Torygraph didn't want to report on Boris Johnson suffering *another* loss in the Commons, so they threw a dead cat onto the table to distract people.

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Re: This is NOT an attempt to start a discussion...
« Reply #426 on: 11 November 2019, 12:02:55 AM »
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1) No, I'd evacuate
Then you would likely die of smoke inhalation or suffocation walking down 21 floors.


That's the trouble. People would rather pay attention to populist politicians giving simple answers to complex issues, or telling outright lies, than listen to facts or experts.
That's why this country is in the shit it's in...


I'm not waffling. Oh and I can spell too  :b

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Re: This is NOT an attempt to start a discussion...
« Reply #427 on: 11 November 2019, 07:20:56 AM »
The fact that jrm made a very public apology shows that he was in the wrong. Basically his mask slipped and he fcuked up.
The man's practically an aristo, to him the rest of us are oiks. If they had their way they'd take us back to before 1918 where only those with property and wealth where allowed to vote.

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Re: This is NOT an attempt to start a discussion...
« Reply #428 on: 11 November 2019, 10:16:05 AM »
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1) No, I'd evacuate
Then you would likely die of smoke inhalation or suffocation walking down 21 floors.


That's the trouble. People would rather pay attention to populist politicians giving simple answers to complex issues, or telling outright lies, than listen to facts or experts.
That's why this country is in the shit it's in...


I'm not waffling. Oh and I can spell too  :b


More waffle. Answer the question

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Re: This is NOT an attempt to start a discussion...
« Reply #429 on: 11 November 2019, 11:42:31 AM »

Hey snowflake get over it, this faux insult reaction is pish.


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Re: This is NOT an attempt to start a discussion...
« Reply #430 on: 11 November 2019, 12:32:53 PM »
Good move by Farage. I think he has just single handedly saved Brexit.
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Re: This is NOT an attempt to start a discussion...
« Reply #431 on: 11 November 2019, 12:41:34 PM »
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Here is a piece written in the Independent by a Firefighter who attended the Grenfell Tower fire:
 
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/grenfell-tower-fire-one-year-one-kensington-a8397276.html

That’s an excellent article Graham, which explains the ‘stay put’ policy.
 
I assume you have not read it Agricola – I would urge you to do so.  Here’s a few wee quotes from the article.
 
I have attended dozens of high-rise fires in my 31 years as a London firefighter. The number of blocks I’ve visited or conducted inspections on probably number in the hundreds. I spent nine years teaching, among other things, high-rise procedure to new recruits.

The building is designed to contain fire in each individual flat and for the stairways especially to remain clear of smoke and heat. This is why it is vital all doors are fire doors and closed in the event of fire (which also means working door closers and smoke seals on all doors are essential).
 
If everyone were to evacuate around the same time, opening doors as they did so, this would immediately compromise the fire safety of the building. Aside from all the crush injuries, if all residents opened all their doors and the doors to the stairwell at the same time, heat and smoke would intrude into the only escape route. This could create a chimney effect, spreading fire, and result in loss of life. Quite simply, moving away from a “stay put” policy will kill people.
This is also why there were no fire drills at Grenfell. There shouldn’t be.
 

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Re: This is NOT an attempt to start a discussion...
« Reply #432 on: 11 November 2019, 01:51:21 PM »

Good move by Farage. I think he has just single handedly saved Brexit.


Excellent news :woot . Good old Nigel :thumbup .


Now wait for the Illiberal Undemocrats outrage, even though they're doing the same thing in a deal with the Greens & Plaid :lol
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Re: This is NOT an attempt to start a discussion...
« Reply #433 on: 11 November 2019, 02:37:46 PM »
It's because Farage is shit scared of a second referendum, where he knows Brexit would be lost forever.
He's desperate,  and also knows that in first past the post he won't win any seats at all, wherever they stand.
The Tories have become the Brexit Party.
Message to Labour voters - vote Brexit, you get an extreme right wing Tory government.

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« Reply #434 on: 11 November 2019, 03:41:28 PM »

Good move by Farage. I think he has just single handedly saved Brexit.

Excellent news :woot . Good old Nigel :thumbup .

Now wait for the Illiberal Undemocrats outrage, even though they're doing the same thing in a deal with the Greens & Plaid :lol


There's only one thing Farage can do and that's destroy the United Kingdom.


He's as popular as a bacon butties at a Bar Mitzvah in Scotland. The man thinks the UK consists only of London and middle England.
You'd be as well as voting for the English democrats or some other fringe party.



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Re: This is NOT an attempt to start a discussion...
« Reply #435 on: 11 November 2019, 05:03:18 PM »
 
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Now wait for the Illiberal Undemocrats outrage, even though they're doing the same thing in a deal with the Greens & Plaid

Why would they be bothered that The Brexit Party, the party with no leader and no policy has thrown the towel in.


Remember UKIP?
 

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« Reply #436 on: 11 November 2019, 05:53:45 PM »
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Now wait for the Illiberal Undemocrats outrage, even though they're doing the same thing in a deal with the Greens & Plaid

Why would they be bothered that The Brexit Party, the party with no leader and no policy has thrown the towel in.


Remember UKIP?
OK they probably won't let it show in public, but behind the scenes they're gonna be spitting chips :lol .
They were relying on the Brexit Party to split the Conservative vote in order to increase the chances of Boris not getting an overall majority.
The Illiberals could then form a remain alliance with the SNP and Labour on the condition that there's a joke referendum where we're offered the choice between Remain Light v Remain.
Beauty is in the eye of the beerholder.

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Re: This is NOT an attempt to start a discussion...
« Reply #437 on: 11 November 2019, 05:55:52 PM »
It's because Farage is shit scared of a second referendum, where he knows Brexit would be lost forever.
If it were to be a Remain Light/BRINO v Remain referendum stitch-up his fears would be fully justified ;)
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Re: This is NOT an attempt to start a discussion...
« Reply #438 on: 11 November 2019, 06:11:25 PM »
Farage a few weeks ago - "I want to make this pledge from The Brexit Party. The withdrawal agreement is not Brexit. It is a betrayal of what 17.4 million people voted for. If you insist on the withdrawal agreement, Mr Johnson, we will fight you in every seat up and down the length and breadth of the United Kingdom."
Which just goes to show, every word he says is a lie.



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Re: This is NOT an attempt to start a discussion...
« Reply #439 on: 11 November 2019, 06:22:54 PM »
 :thumbup

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Re: This is NOT an attempt to start a discussion...
« Reply #440 on: 11 November 2019, 06:30:31 PM »
Probably means we won't see Doris Karloff contesting a seat.....

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« Reply #442 on: 11 November 2019, 06:48:25 PM »

Which just goes to show, every word he says is a lie.





It shows how reasonable he is ;)
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« Reply #443 on: 11 November 2019, 06:53:05 PM »
Anyway, you should be overcome with joy now that this party which you hold in such contempt is withdrawing in so many constituencys ;)
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Re: This is NOT an attempt to start a discussion...
« Reply #444 on: 11 November 2019, 07:25:02 PM »
''constituencys''???

Blimey, the spelling on here is getting worse and worse :D

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Re: This is NOT an attempt to start a discussion...
« Reply #445 on: 11 November 2019, 07:51:42 PM »
 :lol :lol :lol

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« Reply #446 on: 11 November 2019, 08:00:22 PM »
Y
''constituencys''???

Blimey, the spelling on here is getting worse and worse :D
You're not going to keep picking up on every grammatical error in peoples posts are you? :z
Seriously, it comes across as really boorish and snobby. I know you're doing it because you believe it proves your intellectual, and consequently your political superiority, but it's not a good look mate ;)
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« Reply #447 on: 11 November 2019, 08:40:27 PM »

:lol :lol :lol



That's actually quite funny :lol , but what also makes me laugh is how Remainers always take the mickey out of Nigel Farage and the Brexit Party for changing stance, but they say foc all about the Illiberal Undemocrats & Labour renaging on their manifesto Brexit pledges.
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« Reply #448 on: 11 November 2019, 09:02:44 PM »

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« Reply #449 on: 11 November 2019, 09:10:59 PM »