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Re: TALKING EVEN MORE B****CKS THREAD FROM NORTH OF THE BORDER
« Reply #3225 on: 31 May 2019, 12:02:44 PM »
 
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No it isn't. If the combined opposition(s) have more than you they can form a coalition government, and hey presto, you are the opposition, without power. Then you're 'win' disappears. It's happened often.


No because the party with the biggest share of the vote, which in turns means the biggest number of seats, is by rule allowed the first opportunity of forming a government.  They can either do this, as Labour have done in Scotland, by forming a coalition.  Or as the SNP choose to do in 2006 and 2016, they can form a minority government.


The opposition, can then, choose to block every policy of the minority government, if it wishes to do so.  However, the simple fact is, that politicians are elected to serve.  Opposing every move of an elected minority administration would lead to dead-lock and another election – an election in which the opposition would be decimated.  That generally does not happen, as in Scotland’s case we have 5 main political parties (not 2 as in England) plus independents.  There are always deals to be done.


What you are doing is basing your view on the Westminster system.  We laugh in Scotland when English commentators talk about a hung parliament as if it is the end of the world. 



Ms May herself as failed to understand her own position.  English people are conditioned to the 4 or 5 year dictatorial government system.  May failed to recognise that she was in fact running a minority administration (that is after throwing her majority away).  To successfully run a minority administration, you have to work with the opposition to obtain consensus in order to govern. 



What we are seeing is a failure of the first past the post system, and a political class that do not understand how to govern when it does not produce the result it is designed to produce.


The fact is that Scotland, like most of Europe, does not run a first past the post system.  As such coalition and minority government is the norm, as is politicians working across party lines to deliver policy and change. 



 

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Re: TALKING EVEN MORE B****CKS THREAD FROM NORTH OF THE BORDER
« Reply #3226 on: 31 May 2019, 01:49:28 PM »
The UK had a referendum in 2011 about proportional representation for Westminster.
Scotland voted against it 64% to 36%
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Re: TALKING EVEN MORE B****CKS THREAD FROM NORTH OF THE BORDER
« Reply #3227 on: 31 May 2019, 02:56:12 PM »
 Of course, the Scottish Parliament building was chosen by Westminster.
The electoral system was imposed on us by Westminster.
And it was done so in order that no one party could ever win a majority in the Scottish Parliament.
In that same year that the UK rejected electoral reform at Westminster, the SNP won a majority in the Scottish Parliament. ;)
 

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Re: TALKING EVEN MORE B****CKS THREAD FROM NORTH OF THE BORDER
« Reply #3228 on: 31 May 2019, 03:20:20 PM »

Trump for leadership of the Tory Party.


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Re: TALKING EVEN MORE B****CKS THREAD FROM NORTH OF THE BORDER
« Reply #3229 on: 31 May 2019, 03:21:17 PM »
Boris is your man then :)

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Re: TALKING EVEN MORE B****CKS THREAD FROM NORTH OF THE BORDER
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Re: BREXIT
« Reply #3231 on: 03 June 2019, 08:19:10 PM »
Foccing brilliant :lol



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Re: TALKING B****CKS THREAD
« Reply #3232 on: 04 June 2019, 09:37:48 AM »
Why are people so determined to wreck our economy.  Why are so many ordinary people in England and Wales desperate to be poorer?
Try asking Corbyn & Khan re The USA and the special relationship ;)
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Re: BREXIT
« Reply #3233 on: 04 June 2019, 09:39:39 AM »

VNA I think you have been brainwashed by the Labour Party--you are putting up ridiculous postings that are complete efin rubbish pal.


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Re: BREXIT
« Reply #3234 on: 04 June 2019, 10:58:32 AM »
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Try asking Corbyn & Khan re The USA and the special relationship

When Trump is gone (soon) it'll be back on track  :)

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Re: BREXIT
« Reply #3235 on: 04 June 2019, 11:00:50 AM »
Why are people so determined to wreck our economy.  Why are so many ordinary people in England and Wales desperate to be poorer?
Try asking Corbyn & Khan re The USA and the special relationship ;)
You can add Emily Thornberry to that list - she is spiting bile about Trump at anyone who will point a camera at her. Corbin is an embarrassment. 
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Re: BREXIT
« Reply #3236 on: 04 June 2019, 01:39:26 PM »

They're entitled to their opinion.


The problem is that they don't think anyone who disagrees with them is entitled to theirs :rolleyes
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Re: BREXIT
« Reply #3237 on: 04 June 2019, 01:54:34 PM »

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Try asking Corbyn & Khan re The USA and the special relationship

When Trump is gone (soon) it'll be back on track  :)



I wouldn't be surprised if Trump wins a second term. He's popular with the electorate.


How much economic pain would we have to suffer if Corbyn gets his hands on the keys to number 10 in the not too distant future?.









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Re: BREXIT
« Reply #3238 on: 04 June 2019, 05:44:30 PM »
Meanwhile "Anna Soubry has become leader of Change UK after six MPs quit the party.The newly formed party split as high-profile figures like Chuka Umunna and ex-leader Heidi Allen walked out."
 And Nigel farage meets with Trump like a proper soon to be PM - unlike Corbin. 
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Re: BREXIT
« Reply #3239 on: 04 June 2019, 06:39:19 PM »
 
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Meanwhile "Anna Soubry has become leader of Change UK after six MPs quit the party.The newly formed party split as high-profile figures like Chuka Umunna and ex-leader Heidi Allen walked out."

Wow.  That went well.  Wonder how long The Brexit Party will last?


Aye and for Remainers, those folks sure do a lot of leaving!
 

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Re: BREXIT
« Reply #3240 on: 04 June 2019, 06:50:50 PM »
 
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How much economic pain would we have to suffer if Corbyn gets his hands on the keys to number 10 in the not too distant future?.

Never mind who’s gonna be the future PM, Tory or Labour.  What about right now?  Honda is leaving, Nissan is cutting lines, Schaeffler is going, Michelin is leaving.  There is a long list of manufactures now either leaving or planning to leave the UK.
 
The fact remains that the EU is our no.1 trading partner, and indeed BREXIT, whatever form it takes, will not change that.  We need single market access.


Meanwhile may I remind you of my HD post.  They are looking for a Euro base to manufacture their bikes, cos guess what, that most American of all brands is getting more and more pissed off with Trump.  HD is now facing increasing EU import tariffs due to Trumps dumb trade wars.  But let me tell you one country that HD will not even be considering for a nano second right now – yup it’s us – the UK.  In ward investment has ground to a halt in the EU.  And our Euro are snapping up the opportunities.
 

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Re: BREXIT
« Reply #3241 on: 04 June 2019, 06:51:34 PM »

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Re: BREXIT
« Reply #3242 on: 04 June 2019, 08:04:02 PM »
Fazersharp - who's this Corbin fella you keep talking about?  :lol

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Re: BREXIT
« Reply #3243 on: 04 June 2019, 08:10:06 PM »
Ooh, look at all the peace loving lefties.....complete fukwits, the lot of them.


https://www.facebook.com/raheemkassam/videos/611386889375916/

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Re: BREXIT
« Reply #3244 on: 04 June 2019, 08:47:39 PM »
Meanwhile "Anna Soubry has become leader of Change UK after six MPs quit the party.The newly formed party split as high-profile figures like Chuka Umunna and ex-leader Heidi Allen walked out."
 And Nigel farage meets with Trump like a proper soon to be PM - unlike Corbin.


Likely as not to be sliming their way towards the Lib Dem group of middle class lieing softies in order to have a fighting chance of retaining their seats at the next election. What is it with the Labour Party that senior figures are unwilling to welcome the Leader of the free world on a State visit. I find it rather embarrasing

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Re: BREXIT
« Reply #3245 on: 04 June 2019, 09:02:59 PM »
Ooh, look at all the peace loving lefties.....complete fukwits, the lot of them.


https://www.facebook.com/raheemkassam/videos/611386889375916/
Shocking - also that poor little 5 foot PCO looks absolutely terrified.Corbyn should take the blame for the way he whipped people up in his speech he sounded like a extremest fanatic
 
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Re: BREXIT
« Reply #3246 on: 04 June 2019, 09:39:50 PM »
Ooh, look at all the peace loving lefties.....complete fukwits, the lot of them.

Isn't it a good job that right-wingers are such nice, friendly people who would never verbally or racially harass or intimidate anyone who they don't like...???  :rolleyes

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Re: BREXIT
« Reply #3247 on: 04 June 2019, 10:13:55 PM »
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What is it with the Labour Party that senior figures are unwilling to welcome the Leader of the free world on a State visit.
Not just the Labur Party, also Tories, Lid Dems, SNP,Plaid Cymru and Greens..............

And here he is  :lol :lol :lol


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Re: BREXIT
« Reply #3248 on: 04 June 2019, 10:25:06 PM »
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What is it with the Labour Party that senior figures are unwilling to welcome the Leader of the free world on a State visit.
Not just the Labur Party, also Tories, Lid Dems, SNP,Plaid Cymru and Greens..............

And here he is  :lol :lol :lol


So do you think Obama was a better President
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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #3249 on: 04 June 2019, 11:35:49 PM »
Can't wait to be out of the EU, I did not vote for another government in Brussels, I voted for free trade only in1974
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