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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2400 on: 03 March 2019, 10:51:07 AM »
Would someone like to explain why the Remainers and the Brexiteers have tried to keep the Lisbon Treaty very quiet, this seems to me to be a stitch up by members of parliament on both sides of the argument. Napoleon and Hitler's dreams have been fulfilled by the EU  in the 21st century without a shot being fired in the name of freedom from a dictatorship.   
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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2401 on: 03 March 2019, 10:54:57 AM »

 :eek :eek :eek


So THAT'S why The EU suggested an Article 50 extension up until 2021?.
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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2402 on: 03 March 2019, 01:14:44 PM »
Where does that Lisbon Treaty copy and paste come from? Looks like an arch Brexiteer's interpretation, rather than fact.

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2403 on: 03 March 2019, 01:20:09 PM »
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WHY IS NOBODY TALKING ABOUT THE LISBON TREATY, THE TREATY THAT COMES INTO FORCE 2020, ITS WORSE THAN THE SO CALLED DEAL, IF 99% OF THE BRITISH THINK TERESA MAYS DEAL IS BAD, JUST LOOK AT THE LISBON TREATY. PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW, LEAVERS AND REMAIN
..“What will actually happen if we stay in the EU” is a question no remainer will ever answer but here it is warts and all.
Check it out if you wish ——>>
1: The UK along with all existing members of the EU lose their abstention veto in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon Treaty when the system changes to that of majority acceptance with no abstentions or veto’s being allowed.
2: All member nations will become states of the new federal nation of the EU by 2022 as clearly laid out in the Lisbon treaty with no exceptions or veto’s.
3: All member states must adopt the Euro by 2022 and any new member state must do so within 2 years of joining the EU as laid down in the Lisbon treaty.
4: The London stock exchange will move to Frankfurt in 2020 and be integrated into the EU stock exchange resulting in a loss of 200,000 plus jobs in the UK because of the relocation. (This has already been pre-agreed and is only on a holding pattern due to the Brexit negotiations, which if Brexit does happen, the move is fully cancelled - but if not and the UK remains a member it’s full steam ahead for the move.)
5: The EU Parliament and ECJ become supreme over all legislative bodies of the UK.
6: The UK will adopt 100% of whatever the EU Parliament and ECJ lays down without any means of abstention or veto, negating the need for the UK to have the Lords or even the Commons as we know it today.
7: The UK will NOT be able to make its own trade deals.
8: The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade tariffs.
9 The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade quotas.
10: The UK loses control of its fishing rights
11: The UK loses control of its oil and gas rights
12: The UK loses control of its borders and enters the Schengen region by 2022 - as clearly laid down in the Lisbon treaty
13: The UK loses control of its planning legislation
14: The UK loses control of its armed forces including its nuclear deterrent
15: The UK loses full control of its taxation policy
16: The UK loses the ability to create its own laws and to implement them
17: The UK loses its standing in the Commonwealths
18: The UK loses control of any provinces or affiliated nations e.g.: Falklands, Cayman Islands, Gibraltar etc
19: The UK loses control of its judicial system
20: The UK loses control of its international policy
21: The UK loses full control of its national policy
22: The UK loses its right to call itself a nation in its own right.
23: The UK loses control of its space exploration program
24: The UK loses control of its Aviation and Sea lane jurisdiction
25: The UK loses its rebate in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon treaty
26: The UK’s contribution to the EU is set to increase by an average of 1.2bn pa and by 2.3bn pa by 2020
This is the future that the youths of today think we stole from them?
They should be on their knees thanking us for saving them from being turned into Orwellian automatons!
Forget Deals no deals its time for remainers and brexiteers to unite and see whats coming before its to late. This is the whole reason they are dragging brexit out. So we can get to 2020 then we have no choices anynore.
Looks like more made up facebook pish.
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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2404 on: 03 March 2019, 03:06:38 PM »
Who knows but it's food for thought from both side if it's anything like the truth

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2405 on: 03 March 2019, 03:10:00 PM »
Steve, it's literally made up bollocks. 

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2406 on: 03 March 2019, 03:31:21 PM »
Who knows but it's food for thought from both side if it's anything like the truth
It's fiction.
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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2407 on: 03 March 2019, 03:32:23 PM »
Thank foc fae that :lol

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2408 on: 03 March 2019, 04:12:34 PM »
About like the rest of the b*ll*cks spoken from both sides then. Non of the so called experts/MPs know what the foc is going to happen one way or the other, but I do know it wont be them is badly affected  It will be the ordinary hard working people of no matter which way you voted  that will bear the brunt of the fall out.   

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2409 on: 03 March 2019, 08:52:12 PM »
what ever may happen we're gonna be half in and out the way things are going.
as for the lisbon treaty nothing is mention the above.just google it.
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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2410 on: 03 March 2019, 09:06:43 PM »

what ever may happen we're gonna be half in and out the way things are going.
as for the lisbon treaty nothing is mention the above.just google it.


It's a wind up!. Someone's fabricated that nonsense to mess people about :rolleyes
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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2411 on: 03 March 2019, 09:39:55 PM »
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About like the rest of the b*ll*cks spoken from both sides then. Non of the so called experts/MPs know what the foc is going to happen one way or the other, but I do know it wont be them is badly affected
We do know to a degree.  Economically the vast majority of economists are in agreement, whatever we do in terms of leaving the EU will have an economic impact on the UK, that is a negative impact. 



There is a small minority of economists we believe that the harder the BREXIT the better for the UK economy.  They argue, for example, a NO DEAL BREXIT will give the city of London – financial services – a substantial boost.  However most of them agree that it will have a strong negative impact on manufacturing in the UK, and overall a widening of inequality.  The UK will become, for ordinary people, a low wage hire and fire economy.


As I’ve said all along this is about the Tory party, and a battle between the modern pro-business faction verses the aristocracy and super rich side of the party – the ERG.


I think the most likely outcome, right now, is a very slightly amended May deal.  Which is really just kicking the can down the road.   So far parliament has failed to decisively rule out no deal, a Norway deal (the best BREXIT option) seems to be ruled out as is a second referendum.   I can't see a majority forming for any of these.


 
So, my money is on May’s deal.  But my heart is in, and this is probably the second most likely outcome (I think) if nothing can get a majority, then May may be forced to cancel article 50.  The problem with that is the Tory party may go into meltdown, it could lead to a general election, which will, possibly be the most chaotic general election in modern UK history.


So even if article 50 is cancelled, which I would like to see, well the reality is BREXIT probably is still not going to go away.


But yeah I totally agree with you Steve, in that this will have an impact on us ordinary punters, whereas people like Jacob Rees Mogg, well with 100 million quid worth of assets to his name…….
 

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2412 on: 03 March 2019, 09:43:03 PM »

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2413 on: 03 March 2019, 10:38:57 PM »
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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2414 on: 03 March 2019, 11:00:41 PM »
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I think the most likely outcome, right now, is a very slightly amended May deal. 
Sadly, I think you are right but the numbers in Parliament will be very close. The deal that neither side wants but gets May off the hook and saves the Tory party splitting. Disgraceful to see some Labour MPs considering voting for the deal by being bribed by May's money for poor areas. The PM who promised 2 years ago to help 'just about managing' families, and delivered nothing.
Let's not also forget that if her deal does pass and we leave on the 29th, that is the start of 2+ years of negotiations to agree permanent trade and other deals with the EU where we are likely to end up being rule takers from the EU, without a vote. We could still be heading for an EFTA /Single Market /Freedom of movement type deal.


Nothing is better than the deal we already have.

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2415 on: 03 March 2019, 11:12:37 PM »
Yup we could end up with a deal that not long ago was the biggest ever defeat in pariamentary history.
And yeah, two years plus negotiations.  And going by how long it's taken us to try and get a withdrawl agreement - the easy bit - well 2 years ++++++++ is more like it.
Then there is whether the UK can actually hold together.  This coud lead to Scotland and Northen Ireland leaving the UK.  The end of the UK.

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2417 on: 04 March 2019, 03:26:11 PM »
Brexit: The eyes have it.
 
 https://twitter.com/wolfi665/status/1102309572277166081

I am literally rolling on the floor laughing ere  :lol :lol :lol
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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2418 on: 05 March 2019, 08:46:54 AM »

Blimey you're easily amused :rolleyes



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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2419 on: 05 March 2019, 03:06:16 PM »
Was pretty funny.

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2421 on: 05 March 2019, 05:13:27 PM »
Was pretty funny.
I only didn't laugh out loud for fear that if I did my head would have fallen off :rolleyes
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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2422 on: 05 March 2019, 05:30:15 PM »
So, Warsi says the Tory party is riddled with Islamaphobia. Does that make it a score draw YamFazFan?

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2423 on: 05 March 2019, 08:20:56 PM »
So, Warsi says the Tory party is riddled with Islamaphobia. Does that make it a score draw YamFazFan?


Hmmmm. Doesnt seem to have hindered her too much does it. Baroness Warsi PC FRTPI, Lawyer, politician, Member of the House of Lords, former Co-Chair of the Conservative Party, and author

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2424 on: 05 March 2019, 08:58:12 PM »
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Hmmmm. Doesnt seem to have hindered her too much does it. Baroness Warsi PC FRTPI, Lawyer, politician, Member of the House of Lords, former Co-Chair of the Conservative Party, and author
What's that got to do with anything?