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satnav?
« on: 14 August 2015, 08:20:20 PM »
Just a quick but hopefully straight forward question, how and where should I wire in a Satnav? its only +ive and -ve but should I wire straight to the battery or into the ignition? If the latter where is best? Please use simple words and explanations as I'm a numpty on the tools..... lol.  :rolleyes
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Re: satnav?
« Reply #1 on: 14 August 2015, 10:17:53 PM »
I took two wires from the battery , live with a fuse , then connected to a cigarette lighter socket mounted on the front,side panel..easy
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Re: satnav?
« Reply #2 on: 14 August 2015, 10:29:13 PM »
I fitted a plug to mine and it is connected via the Optimate charging socket under the seat.
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Re: satnav?
« Reply #3 on: 14 August 2015, 11:08:03 PM »
I installed a socket near the ignition switch and wired it to the horn. So I do not have permanent + 12V but only with ignition switched on.



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Re: satnav?
« Reply #4 on: 14 August 2015, 11:26:06 PM »
its a bike specific unit, garmin 660 zumo, with a charging cradle so thing wiring it straight to the horn might be the most straight forward and about up to my ability. thanks guys. wont be doing it till sunday at the earliest so if anyone else has better advice please let me know.
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Re: satnav?
« Reply #5 on: 15 August 2015, 12:32:03 AM »
its a bike specific unit, garmin 660 zumo, with a charging cradle so thing wiring it straight to the horn might be the most straight forward and about up to my ability. thanks guys. wont be doing it till sunday at the earliest so if anyone else has better advice please let me know.
So is mine, but still wired it via charging lead. Never had any problems.
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Re: satnav?
« Reply #6 on: 15 August 2015, 09:25:57 AM »
I have a Tom Tom rider with a mount and I just wired it to the battery and have had problems

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Re: satnav?
« Reply #7 on: 15 August 2015, 09:54:58 PM »
It might work with the direct wiring to the battery. But I am not happy with that because the + 5 V pin of the charging cradle is always live and the voltage converter will draw a little current even without the nav installed. This current wil be only some mA but why should I stress the battery with that.
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Re: satnav?
« Reply #8 on: 15 August 2015, 10:34:25 PM »
It might work with the direct wiring to the battery. But I am not happy with that because the + 5 V pin of the charging cradle is always live and the voltage converter will draw a little current even without the nav installed. This current wil be only some mA but why should I stress the battery with that.


Can't understand what you're fussing about.
Just do what I do and unplug it when you've finished with it. Simples.
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Re: satnav?
« Reply #9 on: 15 August 2015, 10:42:13 PM »
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Just do what I do and unplug it when you've finished with it. Simples.   
Then it is o.k.
But when you make a permanet wiring which is not so unusual I have my doubts.
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I fitted a plug to mine and it is connected via the Optimate charging socket under the seat.
And always removing the seat to unplug the unit would be no solution for me.
« Last Edit: 15 August 2015, 10:44:50 PM by riedrider »
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Re: satnav?
« Reply #10 on: 16 August 2015, 11:34:41 AM »
Wire a relay in and mount it on the outside of the subframe but still in the rear bodywork wire the switch circuit to the no plate light
Then it wont be live when the ignition is off

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Re: satnav?
« Reply #11 on: 16 August 2015, 11:54:44 AM »
Connecting a wire to the horn has the same effect and it is much easier.
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« Reply #12 on: 16 August 2015, 01:14:09 PM »
Well going to wire it in shortly and going for the "wire to the horn" as that sounds the easiest and most straight forward to me. also think it will be easiest when i take it off if i change the bike, thinking about that at the moment. Thanks Guys.
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Re: satnav?
« Reply #13 on: 16 August 2015, 02:36:46 PM »
If you use such a connector for the  +12V wire of the nav you do not have to make any changes on the original wiring harness. You just have to find out which of the both connectors of the horn has +12V with ignition on.

Here is another picture of my TDM were I did the wiring in the same way like on my Fazer. You can see the original horn plug and the red wire for the nav.


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Re: satnav?
« Reply #14 on: 16 August 2015, 06:38:31 PM »
Go straight to the battery that way the satnav always has power via the cradle, don't worry about battery drain as you take the unit off when you leave the bike so no power drain. Ran my Garmin like this never had a problem
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Re: satnav?
« Reply #15 on: 16 August 2015, 08:17:00 PM »
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don't worry about battery drain as you take the unit off when you leave the bike so no power drain
You cannot generalize that. I have measured the cradle of my Zumo 660  and of my Zumo 500 without nav.
With the 500 cradle the reading was 0 but with the 660 cradle 72,5 mA. Somtimes older stuff is better  ;)
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« Reply #16 on: 17 August 2015, 11:09:49 AM »
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don't worry about battery drain as you take the unit off when you leave the bike so no power drain
You cannot generalize that. I have measured the cradle of my Zumo 660  and of my Zumo 500 without nav.
With the 500 cradle the reading was 0 but with the 660 cradle 72,5 mA. Somtimes older stuff is better  ;)

Well I stand corrected but I was using a 390lm on a hard wired cradle for just over two years and never had a problem !
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« Reply #17 on: 18 August 2015, 06:33:01 PM »
Told you all that I was a numpty on the tools, it didn't work. wired it to the horn but didn't charge the unit when I put it in the cradle. tried it both ways in case the red wire wasn't the +ve but that didn't work. Had a friendly "know it all" offer his opinion but that didn't make a difference so ended up wiring it straight to the battery for now but would still prefer it to go off with the ignition. could it be that there isn't enough power going to the horn? Or is it just that "if it wasn't for bad luck i'd have none?" Help???
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Re: satnav?
« Reply #18 on: 18 August 2015, 06:52:53 PM »
The wiring of the horn is the same on your 98-99 like on my 2003 Fazer and my 1999 TDM. Brown is +12V via ignition switch and pink is ground  via horn button. On my Fazer the horn has a 10 A fuse that should be quiet similar on the early models. This is more than enough for the nav.

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« Reply #19 on: 18 August 2015, 07:57:19 PM »
The fuse is fine and the horn still working but the Sat nav did not register it was charging when wired to the horn but did when put straight on to the battery, is there any reason why this might be? I just thought that it would be 12v and work yet it seems to get more complicated? If I can't wire in a Sat nav then I will never get my project bike, Pan euro st1100, on the road!!!!!!!!! Agh!!!!
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Re: satnav?
« Reply #20 on: 18 August 2015, 08:06:09 PM »

How did you wire the nav to the horn?
Yo must connect the + wire of the nav to the brown cable of the horn an the negative wire to permanet ground (yellow arrow in  post #3). Not to the second wire of the horn.
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I will never get my project bike, Pan euro st1100,
But on a Honda this might be a little bit different......
On my Honda NTV +12V is via the horn button. There is good chance that the Pan is similar and the wiring to the horn will not work.
Thank you for this helpful information  :rolleyes
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« Reply #21 on: 18 August 2015, 08:18:04 PM »
No I didn't I connected wire to wire not to the earth of the horn.  Now where I went wrong (not looking at picture properly).  Will reconnect tomorrow and let you know how I get on.  Am I able to wire something else to the horn as well i.e will I be able to connect a cigarette lighter as well so I can charge my phone and other things or will it be too much for the horn's wiring?

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Re: satnav?
« Reply #22 on: 18 August 2015, 08:20:37 PM »
On a Honda it might not work. See my post above.
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