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Title: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 11 March 2012, 02:46:51 PM
my trusty 98 600 fazer has developed a stutter at 7/8000 rpm,i changed the inlet rubbers thinking that this was the problem as they have been split for a few years,but the stutter is still there,its a big one but a bit more gas and it pulls through,i put me carb vacuum guages on this morning and all was well,bike is well looked after and had a good service at the end of last year although the shims have never been looked at,there is a slight tap when cold but soon goes,ive owned the bike for nearly 10 years and never had a problem but with the better weather with us iam keen to sort it out.....iam going to do a compression test this afternoon but iam not expecting anything amiss,just something to cross of the list....new plugs were fitted last service but the caps are origanal so will probably treat it to a new set.....in the back of my mind iam thinking coil packs........any one else had simulaar problems ?
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 13 March 2012, 06:50:54 AM
hi all....well i did the compression test on the fazer last night and was supprised at the results.....all cylinders were down on compression,so looks like rings or valve clearences,i didnt have time to squrt some engine oil in the bores and test again,this would have sealed any worn rings and given me an improved reading on the test,iam sure its the valve clearence as to my knowledge they have never been done,when i got the bike the bike it had 9000 miles now nearly 40000,shims should have been checked at 28000  :eek ....looks like a job for saturday morning.........
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Fazerider on 13 March 2012, 10:37:58 AM
I've found valve clearances on the FZS600 to be amazingly stable. Check them by all means, but don't be surprised if they're in spec... mine still were at three times that mileage.
Nor would I expect low compression to result in those symptoms: reduced power especially at lower revs, difficulty in starting, backfiring (or even backfiring through the carb in the case of inlet valve leakage) would be more likely. If your tester has a valveless adaptor to get it to suit the small plug holes on bike engines then it will give a low reading... they're more useful for picking up on differences rather than absolute measurements.

A new set of plug caps may help, some NGK ones cleared an intermittent misfire for me, but it sounds more like the problem may be the carb slides no longer moving smoothly due to wear. My current set are giving similar results: a massive flat spot with plenty of power available again once you've coaxed it through. It's easiest to provoke by snapping the throttle fully open from cruising at 70-80mph, the sudden difference in pressure jams the slide against the grooves in the carb body and the diaphragm doesn't develop enough force to overcome the friction. Dri-Slide or even applying an 8B pencil to the grooves will relieve the problem for a while, long enough to prove the theory anyway.
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 14 March 2012, 06:49:41 AM
thank you...thats given me something to think about...my compression tester is not the best in the world but its also not the worst.and i do as you say use it to compare cylinder pressure,and not rely on the reading to be 100% accurate,thats why i didnt put the results on here....looking at the reaults again there between 30-40% down...the bike performs too well for this to be correct.
 iam going to have a look at the cleanerces this weekend and also replace the plug caps,ive not heard of dri-slide before is that some sort of carb lube ?
 not sure on the valve on the adaptor but will look tonight.......thanks for your help
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Fazerider on 14 March 2012, 09:40:25 AM
...ive not heard of dri-slide before is that some sort of carb lube ?

Just had a look for stockists and found there don't seem to be any in the UK anymore. I used to use it as a lubricant in airgun barrels many years ago. It's molybdenum disulphide suspended in a solvent and came in a can with a needle dispenser. RS do something similar:
http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/products/0558035/ (http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/products/0558035/)
... but it's in a spray can which will make it awkward to apply precisely. It's probably better to try a very soft pencil, graphite is as good a lubricant and the solvents in the spray might not be too good for the rubber components.
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: clayt74 on 16 March 2012, 08:56:52 AM
Hi,
my fazer 02 has just developed what sounds to be a very similar problem.
it starts fine and runs fine around town as long as im very gentle and smooth on the throttle.
as soon as i try to give it some beans it stutters/judders around 6k rpm (it almost feels like your trying to accelerate in 3 gears too high) the bike does pull through it and then feels fine but have lost confidence in overtaking.
The thing for me is this problem started just after i had given the bike a real good hosing down, so I am assuming that my prob is almost certainly the caps ( I have just pulled them all off and sprayed with WD40 but wont get to ride until after work to see if it fixes the problem)
I would definately start with caps before taking the carbs apart.
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Gnasher on 16 March 2012, 12:49:57 PM
I've found valve clearances on the FZS600 to be amazingly stable. Check them by all means, but don't be surprised if they're in spec... mine still were at three times that mileage.
Nor would I expect low compression to result in those symptoms:

 :agree
 
  This is either electrical or fuelling, start with the easy things i.e. plugs as already mentioned.  Wait until it's dark or turn out the light in your garage lift the tank and start the bike now look for aching around the top end you may have to move around to see it and check inside the plug wells but it will be obvious. It's a common problem on high mileage bikes replace the cap/lead/plug if they are arching it may be worth changing the plugs as a matter of course and make sure the gap is correct.
 
If the above is all ok and changing the plugs does nothing start looking at the fuelling begin with obstructions in the air intake, then the filter either clean it or replace it.  Then move to the carbs looking for blocked main jet/s and emulsion tube/s and holed diaphragm/s these can be tiny and will get you the very symptoms you've got.
     
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 17 March 2012, 01:12:28 PM
thanks for the replys...looks like were all thinking the same way....ive checked the clearences this morning and as mentioned by fazerider there not too far out,not been done before and bike now on 40,000 miles,results below
 
                 inlet                                      exhaust
              0.11-0.20                                0.21-0.30
 
1               0.12                                         0.20
                 0.15                                         0.20
 
2               0.11                                         0.20
                 0.11                                         0.19
 
3               0.11                                         0.19
                 0.11                                         0.19
 
4               0.12                                          0.18
                 0.13                                          0.18
 
i could go up a size (0.05)which would put me in the middle of recomended clearences (haynes manual) or go up two sizes which would put me at the top end......or the third option leave as is ......iam just on my way to local yam dealer to see what they think and also to pick up some new plug caps.....will post there answer later :rolleyes                       
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 17 March 2012, 04:01:20 PM
just got back from yam dealer,got four ngk caps and 2 meters of ht lead for £20.01,£2.50 per metre for the lead,3.75 each for the caps.enquired about the price of shims and was supprised :eek  at between £4/£5 each,if you needed to replace the whole lot that would be close to £80,can you get pattern parts?
 had a word with the mechanic while i was down there,he said not to worry about the inlet clearences but it might be worth doing the exhaust,but if it was his bike he wouldnt bother.
 i asked about the stuttering and he said exactly as  mentioned on here by FAZERIDER and GNASHER ,my thanks to you both  :D ......CARBS....in particular emulsion tube,main jets and diaphram,either blocked or split...could also be moisture in the float bowls,which could be your problem CLAYT74  ;) .
  iam going to look for pattern shims and just do the exhaust valves,and then remove the carbs and give them a good clean and check over
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 17 March 2012, 04:14:04 PM
wemoto can do shims at £3.58.....thats better....inless of course you know different ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 18 March 2012, 07:46:06 AM
ah................ :o :o     had a quick look at the ht leads last night,looks like they are sealed at the coil end which means if the leads are faulty ill have to replace the coils :( ....iam going to replace the caps this morning and also remove the carbs and clean/inspect....will up-date later
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: wannafazer on 18 March 2012, 06:51:02 PM
Interesting. I was going to change my plug caps (for the second time) and was going to do the HT leads cos it's a cheap as chips and they are 12 years old. Didn't realise they were sealed at the coil end. Assumed they'd just screw off.
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 18 March 2012, 07:01:31 PM
carbs off today and given a good clean on the outside before i stripped them down,i did notice before i took them off that the throttle was`nt snapping shut like it use to,the return springs were well gummed up,difficult to see when on the bike,soon cleaned off with an air line,wd4o and an oily rag,came up realy well,took the tops off and all the diaphrams look good needles as well,then took the bowls off and removed the floats,only slight gunge in the bowls now all clean,then removed the jets,main jets were fine no problems,2 of the pilot jets were blocked,not completly but enough to restrict flow,a quick soaking and a blast with the air line soon cleared them,throttle snaps back now until i put the cables back on  :(  took them both off and gave them a blast of wd and worked them in and out a few times and refitted,problem sorted,took a while to start until the fuel reached the engine and then fired up well,think its running a bit smoother now and deffinatly picks up better on the throttle.........ive got to put all the bits and peices back on yet so could`nt go for a test ride....might do this one night in the week
  went to fit the new caps only to find they are the wrong ones (yam dealer)not long enough and the wrong angle, going to take them back tommrow  :\
 will update when its all back together and ive been on a test ride ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 18 March 2012, 07:05:54 PM
Interesting. I was going to change my plug caps (for the second time) and was going to do the HT leads cos it's a cheap as chips and they are 12 years old. Didn't realise they were sealed at the coil end. Assumed they'd just screw off.

thats what i thought....i bought the lead at yam dealer.i told them what bike it was too :\  not sure how long they last but mine are hard at the ends
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: wannafazer on 18 March 2012, 07:42:44 PM
red, are you absolutely sure they're sealed cos' you said "looks like" ?  It's too dark for me to have a squint now.
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 18 March 2012, 08:09:36 PM
i must admit i didnt look today,just last night in the dark,i will check tommrow when i get in,the bikes still in bits so easy to see
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: wannafazer on 18 March 2012, 08:13:56 PM
I'd appreciate that, chances are it'll be dark when I get home from work.


Les
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 19 March 2012, 07:09:08 PM
took the plug caps back to yamaha dealer today,got a refund no problem,according to them ngk dont list a cap for the fazer  :(  genuine yamaha caps.....wait for it....................................£53 each  :eek :eek :eek ....i came home empty handed..anyone know where i can get some caps from at a reasonable price ?
 
WANNAFAZER.......had a look at the coils when i got home,the leads are sealed to the coils so if the leads are faulty you have to replace the coil as well  :\
 
no work on the fazer tonight,might do a bit tommrow.......
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: wannafazer on 19 March 2012, 07:37:30 PM
Thanks Red, forget the Yam plug caps NKG SD05F are the ones you need. They're straight not angled but fit absolutely fine.
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 19 March 2012, 07:44:38 PM
hi wannafazer.....i was thinking a straight one would work :) ........thanks for the part number,will look on ebay
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 19 March 2012, 08:04:15 PM
just bought 4 plug caps on ebay for £8.80 + free delivery..........bargain  :)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: wannafazer on 19 March 2012, 08:08:23 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: wannafazer on 19 March 2012, 08:34:13 PM
By the way, chuck your old ones in the bottom of your toolbox. They won't all be fucked and will get you out of a hole one day, like mine did last Saturday.
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: happy biker on 19 March 2012, 08:47:20 PM
make you right the best one are the carb ones :rollin
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: clayt74 on 20 March 2012, 08:21:47 AM
I think i got lucky with mine, it seems the only issue i had was a bit of water ingress into 1 of the caps. a good douse of WD40 and the symptoms were immediately gone, no matter how hard i pushed it to wot.
over the weekend i had the tank off to replace airfilter and whilst there cleaned and checked all leads and caps thoroughly as well as cleaning the seating area all around the plugs could see no proplems, I waited till dark and checked for any arcing or tracking as suggested, but could find nothing and the bike was still running a treat.
the only additional thing i did was to put some almagamating tape around where the HT leads enter the cap just as a precaution cos i ride all year round and believe prevention is better than cure.
hope yours is running sweet soon
 
 
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 20 March 2012, 09:12:17 PM
clayt74.....glad you got yours sorted...iam busy at work now so looks like it will be the weekend before i get to test ride....just noticed we have another `stutter`on here just after changing the air filter...will keep an eye on that one ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 24 March 2012, 04:37:02 PM
 :\ :\ ....bike back together this morning and been for a test ride......i still have a stutter :'( .....looked the garage and walked away,went to see a good friend whos just set up his own  bike workshop,used to work for a yam dealer and knows his stuff,proper bike guy.......he thinks its carbs and has offered to sonic clean them for me,ill take them off in the morning and take them up to him on monday.............
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: wannafazer on 24 March 2012, 04:49:10 PM
Bummer !! Did you fit your new plug caps ?
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 24 March 2012, 05:05:13 PM
yes...caps were delivered friday,new parts so far.....inlet rubbers
                                                                      spark plugs
                                                                      spark plug caps
                                                                      air filter
                                                                      oil filter
                                                                      oil
                                                       
                                                        plus.........balance carbs
                                                                      clean and inspect carbs
                                                                      check valve clearences
 
all found to be ok.....bit cheesed off today as excellent biking weather was hoping to go to botw tommrow.....will take carbs off again tommrow in readyness for the sonic clean..........fingers crossed   
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 25 March 2012, 11:22:20 AM
ok.....carbs off again this morning.....45 mins start to finish....iam going to do it blindfold next time :rollin ....going to take them for sonic cleaning tommrow lunch as not too far from work.......i fitted the inlet rubbers with the carbs still on the bike,just loosened the air box removed the battery and pushed the carbs back,just enough room to squeeeeeeeeze them in....now that the carbs are off again its easy to get to the rubbers so i think ill remove them and check there seating ok before i refit the carbs.....will update when i have some news :)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Gnasher on 25 March 2012, 11:29:02 AM
Then move to the carbs looking for blocked main jet/s and emulsion tube/s and holed diaphragm/s these can be tiny and will get you the very symptoms you've got.

Its all in here remove the main jets and clean do the same with the emulsion tubes they are held in by the main jets takes mins.
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 25 March 2012, 11:37:16 AM
morning gnasher.....yes done all that when i cleaned the carbs last weekend,didnt realy find anything to cause the stutter but good to check,a good soaking in the `sonic tank`cant do any harm and will also clean the outside :)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Gnasher on 25 March 2012, 02:05:41 PM
If the emulsion tubes are blocked it's not always easy to spot the holes are tiny and you need good light and eye's best way is with a magnifying glass.  It's also possible that the fuel/air passageways within the carb body have become blocked I've had this before and it not possible to see it you just have to blow them out.
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 25 March 2012, 02:54:43 PM
ah yes this is what the `sonic clean man` has said,adding that commpressed air still may not clear it,this is what i used,thats why he reconmends the sonic clean with a 3hr soak....i like to do all the work on my bikes myself so i know exactly whats been done and what needs to be done,this will be the first time in 10yr ownership that its been fettled by someone else....ive known him for several years and know he will do a good job with back-up afterwards if i need it...ill let you know how i get on.............
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 26 March 2012, 06:59:02 PM
took the carbs up to be sonic cleaned at lunch time,got a call from pete the mechanic saying he did`nt think the carbs needed the sonic clean as they were clean already,he did however notice a small brass needle guide was missing on no 1 carb i must have dislodged it when i cleaned them out myself it sits in the bottom half of the carb acting as a guide for the needle,without it petrol is just going to flood in....pete described it as pi**ing in a bucket...good description....i could have solved the stutter by cleaning the carbs but created another by loosing the guide,the part is available from yam at £25 +vat :eek ....i`ve had a look on the garage floor but cant find it,bit like needle in a haystack ,i`ll get pete to order it in the morning might get here by friday..........
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Bracechenko on 26 March 2012, 07:05:56 PM
Jeez mate, what a nightmare eh!  :eek

Just read the whole thread, hope it gets sorted :thumbup
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 26 March 2012, 07:53:03 PM
hi bracechenko...yes long thread,but fairly basic stuff.thought i would put all the details on in hope it would help others,ive been looking at all conponents looking for wear expecting to find some,the bikes nearly on 40,000 miles,but i cant find any,think we might have a future classic on our hands :D 
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Bracechenko on 26 March 2012, 08:01:17 PM
hi bracechenko...yes long thread,but fairly basic stuff.thought i would put all the details on in hope it would help others,ive been looking at all conponents looking for wear expecting to find some,the bikes nearly on 40,000 miles,but i cant find any,think we might have a future classic on our hands :D

 :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Gnasher on 26 March 2012, 09:16:05 PM
a small brass needle guide

That sounds like the needle jet or was it the emulsion tube? 
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: thom_1991 on 26 March 2012, 09:19:18 PM
I'm sure the Yamaha price is daft but is it like the Dynojet kits which are about a £100 when you could achieve the same result buying jets, shims for needles etc yourself for sod all by comparison. There'll be more than one bike the uses Mikuni BSR33's surely?
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 27 March 2012, 06:41:18 AM
the brass fitting is like a top hat and is a push fit into the bottom of the carb above the main jet,if you remove the main jet and emulsion tube and look down the hole you will see it,acts as a guide,will see if i can find out its proper name.....going to order the part today...............never used a dynojet kit before so not sure what parts are included.
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Gnasher on 27 March 2012, 08:33:27 AM
That the needle jet matey.
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: thom_1991 on 27 March 2012, 10:37:51 AM
the brass fitting is like a top hat and is a push fit into the bottom of the carb above the main jet,if you remove the main jet and emulsion tube and look down the hole you will see it,acts as a guide,will see if i can find out its proper name.....going to order the part today...............never used a dynojet kit before so not sure what parts are included.

Sorry the point i was making (badly) is that there's no need to pay so much for a needle jet same with dynojet kit. £100 for some jets and what not, I wouldn't.
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 27 March 2012, 06:31:07 PM
thanks for that gnasher......needle jet it is,ordered one this morning could take upto 4 days,so fingers crossed might get the bike back together at the weekend :)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 28 March 2012, 09:08:50 PM
still waiting for parts :(
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 29 March 2012, 08:53:55 PM
still no parts  :\  fingers crossed for tommrow.....
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: unfazed on 29 March 2012, 10:56:26 PM
I have found over the years that the pluck caps loosen on the leads and can give a bit of hesitancy and sharpness is gone.. Many wrongly assume the caps give trouble and change them when all it needs is the following: Remove the caps from the leads cut a 1/2 inch off the end of the leads and screw them back on again. Water in the carbs can also cause the issue if the bike is used in the rain a lot or stored outside in the rain. Draining the float bowls and changing the fuel filter will solve this. Water lodges in the filter as it is resting on its side and can get picked up by the carbs when it hits the power band arounf 7000 revs
The above can also cause the odd backfire when starting from cold.
Check the TPS setting especially after balancing the carbs.
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 30 March 2012, 06:43:02 AM
thank for the tps setting tip,not touched that yet,i did trim the leads before i fitted the new caps,as you say the caps had come loose a bit with nothing to grip on,also the ends of the leads were very hard.....thanks for the advice :)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 30 March 2012, 06:51:25 PM
still no parts :\ ...COME ON YAMAHA :rolleyes 
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 31 March 2012, 02:20:17 PM
still no bl**dy parts.........i did do a check on the ign coils this morning no problems,i posted the results on ADE THE BLADES thread as it seams we have the problem,still watching carbs and coils on ebay if there cheap i`ll make a bid ,they may lead me to the problem  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Gnasher on 31 March 2012, 09:21:46 PM
Mate this is well odd if you ordered them through a Yam dealer all parts should be delivered within 24hrs.
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 31 March 2012, 09:28:26 PM
my friend the mechanic has ordered the parts for me,so iam a bit reluctant to chase him up,will give him a buzz on monday...was hoping to get it back together this weekend  :\
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Gnasher on 31 March 2012, 09:39:50 PM
Failing the new parts why not go for a secondhand may be someone on here has a set of carbs and is willing to break one of them.
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 31 March 2012, 10:03:42 PM
ive been thinking about buying carbs and coils off ebay if at the right price (cheap)but i would rather rebuild my origanal parts as i then know what i`ve got.....ive checked the coils with the aid of a multimeter today and all seams well,ive cleaned and inspected the carbs and got my mechanic friend to check them over thats when he noticed the missing needle jet...must have fallen out when i stripped the carbs....i cant see any reason for it not to be alright when i get the carbs back.....fingers crossed ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Gnasher on 01 April 2012, 10:22:17 PM
I meant get a jet from a second hand carb mate.
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 02 April 2012, 06:44:07 AM
yes...thats what i would have done in the case of the jet....but iam not 100% sure the problem is with the carbs....ill see what surprises today comes up with,lets hope its good news :)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 03 April 2012, 05:44:57 AM
at last.....got my carbs back yesterday with new needle jet fitted and given a clean bill if health....busy at work now so it will be the weekend before i get them back on the bike  :)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: unfazed on 05 April 2012, 08:03:48 AM
I get most of my parts from www.cmsnl.com (http://www.cmsnl.com  Great) I found them great to deal with and plenty of communication if there is a delay or out of stock. Click on search by part number and away you go. Good site for checking prices also. They cover Honda Suzuki and Kawasaki also.
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: mobile mouse on 05 April 2012, 04:16:22 PM
Hi,
Just been on the www.cmsnl.com (http://www.cmsnl.com) website. They don't do the parts for the FZS600 only the FZS1000.
How do you know if the part is compatible for the FZS600.
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: mcyoungy on 05 April 2012, 04:33:31 PM
try here:


http://www.yamahamotorcyclespares.co.uk/spares/modelImage.asp?modelID=9656&uID=0 (http://www.yamahamotorcyclespares.co.uk/spares/modelImage.asp?modelID=9656&uID=0)



Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 05 April 2012, 09:12:32 PM
cheers guys...a couple of good links there  :) ....should have time on saturday to put the bike back together...its been off the road for a few weeks now,iam starting to miss the old girl  :\
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 07 April 2012, 07:18:36 PM
evening all....bike back together today and just came back from a test ride.....its better but i have a flat spot between 5 / 6000 rpm (flat spot not stutter) and a stutter at 8000 very very brief (more like a jolt ) but it does pull through,tryed a few times and the same happens every time at the same revs...its a lot smoother now upto 5000 and it dose pull to the red line.....your thoughts  please ladies and gentlemen  :\
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 08 April 2012, 10:03:26 AM
morning all....iam running out of ideas now...going to check the tps (throttle position sensor ) this morning,just out of interest dont think thats the problem,just something else to cross off the list...still looking on ebay for cheap parts that i can swap to identify any faulty parts,iam pretty sure the carbs are ok so looking at coils and ecu.....question,ive swaped a few ecu`s on cars and they needed to be set up using a laptop (vag com) i pretty sure the fazer is just plug in and go...anyone had anything to do with these ?
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 08 April 2012, 10:30:38 AM
hi...just been out to the garage to check the tps according to the haynes manual.......turn the ignition on and disconnect and re-connect the sensor wiring this puts the unit in `adjustment mode` the tacho should read 5000 rpm,if it reads 0 or 10`000 rpm the angle of the sensor is either to narrow or to wide...........mine was reading 10`000 so needed adjusting.......so iam now thinking,do you need to readjust the tps if you have disconnected the unit,as i did several times when i removed the carbs  ;) .....test ride tommrow as dinner with the out-laws today  :\
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Fazerider on 08 April 2012, 11:15:01 AM
How bad is the flat spot at 5/6000 rpm? That's where one is engineered in to get the bike through the noise tests. Are you on stock downpipes and can?
I hope the TPS adjustment did the trick. If not, might be worth either swapping it or at least checking the output. A meter across the lower two terminals should show a smooth variation from roughly 1kΩ to 4.4kΩ as you open and close the throttle, if the track is dirty you'll get higher or even open circuit readings at some points. No, just unplugging and replugging the TPS doesn't mean you need to go though the adjustment routine.

Yes, the ECU is pretty dumb... it doesn't need to be set up, just plugged in. Those on some vehicles have loads of sensors and injector characteristics to "learn", our carburetted engines don't have to worry about keeping those fragile catalysts alive so the only thing it'll need is another TPS position check.
Does the 8000 rpm hesitation happen regardless of throttle position? If you hold the throttle open at 4000 and just let the bike accelerate it will eliminate some possible causes of the problem 'cos the butterflies and TPS position won't be changing. An ECU or coil fault that only occurs at one particular engine speed sounds a bit unlikely... and the only other things that would be moving are the carb slides.
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 08 April 2012, 01:05:32 PM
thanks fazerrider for confirming the ecu set up,i was pretty sure but nice to have a second opinion,standard downpipes and can,no non standard parts on the bike its as it left the factory,iam going for another test ride this afternoon as not up the outlaws now  :D  which also gives me time to check the output of the tps,iam happy that ive found something wrong that explains the fault,upto now everthing ive checked has been ok , after 40,000 miles i was expecting to find something...well done yamaha....loads of advice/tips in your last post,which i thank you for,most helpful.....will up date tonight ,i think iam getting close to solving this one ;) 
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 08 April 2012, 06:57:56 PM
evening all.....been on a test ride,flat spot is still there along with the stutter at 8000  :\ ,but not as bad as it was :) .ive also done the checks on the throttle sensor.
FAZERIDER i think you may have your wires crossed ,when i put my meter across the lower 2 terminals i get a reading in reverse,using the blue and black wires ( top and bottom ) its the right way round,dos`nt realy matter as the same reading is given,i also checked the resistance range uaing the yellow and black wires ( middle and top ) results below
 
max resistance...............blue and black wires..5.41.................haynes manual..5.0 +/- 1.5k-ohms
resistance range.............yellow and black wires..0.81-4.15.......haynes manual..0.0 - 5.0 +/- 1.5k-ohms
 
so no problems there then......it is running better today and around town below 5000 taking it easy on the throttle you would`nt know the problem was there,but as soon as you hit an a-road to have some fun its back...aghhhhhhhhh
 
thanksa again for your help FAZERIDER  :) 
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 10 April 2012, 09:25:24 PM
ummmmmmmmmm......what to do...what to do...what to do    :\   :\
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 10 April 2012, 10:07:34 PM
torch it and buy a puch maxi..........feel the power !!! :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 12 April 2012, 06:48:50 AM
lots of thinking this week...iam going to strip the bike one more time and check everything again,might even get some new plugs,they were replaced at the end of last year and the bike has not been used but just been sat all winter and new plugs will be another thing i can cross off the list,iam also going to use the yamaha seals off the old inlet rubbers as no doubt they will be better quality than the new pattern ones.....thats my weekend sorted  :\   :\
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 12 April 2012, 11:36:04 AM
good on yer mate...........i couldnt afford the time on hers anymore and i wasnt going to throw money at it forever and a day :rolleyes  good luck with yours though !! ;) ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 12 April 2012, 10:03:53 PM
cheers ade,ive not spent much money on it so far just service items and the inlet rubbers,spent quite a bit of time on it though when i should be getting on with the new bathroom,causing a bit of friction at home,i seam to be the only one that knows which one is most inportant     :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 12 April 2012, 10:27:23 PM
tin bath in front of a fire just as good..........job done.......then back to really important stuff ;) ;) . keep us up to date mate :thumbup
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 15 April 2012, 06:57:44 PM
evening all....stripped the bike down again today,carbs off and removed the inlet rubbers,there pattern parts and as good as the origanals i dont think i have a problem with these,to make sure i used a smear of instant gasket on the mating surfaces making sure they were clean and re-fitted them,when i first fitted the rubbers i eased the carbs and air filter box back and eased the rubbers out without removing the carbs,its much better to remove the carbs to fit the rubbers,its easier to clean the surfaces and to get to the securing bolts making a much better job,i also removed the petrol tap on the tank to check the gauze filter,no problems there,while i had the tank upsidedown i noticed one of the breather tubes was blocked,looked like graphite grease,i used some degreaser and some mig welding wire to clear the tube and blasted them with my comperssor and a squird of wd40 rinsing with petrol to finish off,all clear now,looked like it had been blocked for some time ,also fitted some new ngk plugs (cr9e) had one slightly loose connection on one of the coils so cleaned and tightened that up and put the bike back together.....the stutter is still there.....flat spot between 5/6000 rpm and a stutter at 8000  :\ :\ :\ 
 in the haynes manual it says that a good yamaha dealer can check ignition items off the bike such as coils,cdi and ignition control unit (which i think is the ecu ) has anyone used this service ?
 iam going to see a good friend tommrow lunchtime whos just set up his own bike workshop who worked for my local yamaha dealer to see what he thinks,might leave the bike with him to see if he can identify the problem by road testing,your thoughts please folks .....
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 15 April 2012, 07:10:56 PM
good to see ya still at it mate ;)  i found a video on me camcorder i made a couple of weeks back to post on here but never got round to it. take a peek and see what you think. her bike is no more so this doesn`t really apply anymore but maybe it could ring a bell with others ! good luck with your spanner man :)
motorcycle fuel pump problem (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPml6VjeXbU#)=
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 15 April 2012, 07:32:43 PM
hi ade....good video,shame i have no sound on my computer  :\  ill see if i can watch it at work tommrow,yours is a slightly later model than mine but more or less the same, i`ll let you know what happens tommrow  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 15 April 2012, 07:51:32 PM
another thing i spotted today,i have a small hole in the exhaust down tubes where two go into one,ive welded this up a couple of times before so looks like ill be needing a replacement,anyone have a good secondhand replacement for sale  :)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Dead Eye on 16 April 2012, 12:15:23 AM
I actually do have a set of spare downpipes - they are stainless steel (certainly dont look it anymore) but have no holes and only marginal surface rust and by this I mean it should scour brush off. Ive been meaning to get them cleaned up and put them up for sale. I also have the stock can as well, again with no faults.

I renewed the system to a) make the bike look pretty (naawwww) and b) the money was burning a hole in my pocket...


Edit: Btw ade, did you replace the fuel pump in the end? (It's late and im too lazy to read through the 3 pages in the other thread ;))
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 16 April 2012, 06:36:59 AM
morning dead eye......very interested in your down pipes,have sent you a pm  :)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 16 April 2012, 03:31:01 PM
I actually do have a set of spare downpipes - they are stainless steel (certainly dont look it anymore) but have no holes and only marginal surface rust and by this I mean it should scour brush off. Ive been meaning to get them cleaned up and put them up for sale. I also have the stock can as well, again with no faults.

I renewed the system to a) make the bike look pretty (naawwww) and b) the money was burning a hole in my pocket...


Edit: Btw ade, did you replace the fuel pump in the end? (It's late and im too lazy to read through the 3 pages in the other thread ;) )
no mate.......not prepared to throw money at the thing willy nilly. got shot !
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 16 April 2012, 08:54:27 PM
ok went to see my spanner man today,had a little chat and he suggests checking the pick-up coil he also gave me some yamaha tech data (very simular to haynes and handy to have ) in the haynes it says to check the pick-up coil you need to set your multi meter to ohms x 100 scale,i dont have that on my meter so checked it on the other settings..................2k...........0.204
                             20k.........0.21
                             200k.......00.2
 
if the coils good it should have a resistance between 189 to 231 ohms,anybody know how to convert the above figures  ?
he also suggested to remove the datatool alarm,it was fitted when the bike was new so 14 yrs old now,turned out to be a cheap one with shock sensor and voltage drop to trigger it,removed now so something else to cross of the list
 short test ride tells me the hole in the exhaust is getting bigger  :\
 
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 17 April 2012, 07:02:50 PM
having trouble cheeking the pick-up coil,haynes manual says set multi-meter to ohms x 100 scale and if the readings are between 189 and 231 the pick-up coil is ok...i have not got a x100 scale on my multi-meter,i put it on 200 and it went of the scale so could be alright,if i put the meter on the next highest setting , 2000 it reads 0.204....not to sure how to convert that but would think thats 204 , which would make it a good-un....anyone else made these checks ? :)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Fazerider on 17 April 2012, 10:26:18 PM
Your meter is indeed telling you the coil resistance is 204 Ω.
I wouldn't expect the pickup coil to develop a fault that only occurs at 8000 rpm.

Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 18 April 2012, 06:30:28 AM
thank you FAZERIDER,something else to cross off the list,not much left now,i think i will buy some cheap parts off ebay and swap one at a time to see what i can learn,parts iam thinking about are
                                                   ecu/icu...ign coils...carbs
have emailed a few breakers for prices should get a few replys today.....thanks again FAZERIDER
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Fazerider on 18 April 2012, 09:19:10 AM
Did you ever try my suggestion of lubricating the carb slides? Graphite powder is widely available and, once rubbed onto the slides and the body of the carbs where each slide contacts it, should last long enough to find out whether loss of free movement is the cause of the problem.
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Gnasher on 18 April 2012, 02:18:05 PM
good to see ya still at it mate ;)  i found a video on me camcorder i made a couple of weeks back to post on here but never got round to it. take a peek and see what you think. her bike is no more so this doesn`t really apply anymore but maybe it could ring a bell with others ! good luck with your spanner man :)
motorcycle fuel pump problem ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPml6VjeXbU#[/url])=

 
Matey your diving too deep me thinks  ;)
 
The electrics on the Fazer are pretty much bullet proof if the fail they just stop working, I've never known a Fazer pick coil to cause this issue, if fact I've only known them to fail after crash impact.
 
I'm 99% certain your problem is fuel/air it is either a blocked or partially blocked jet/s worn jets and or metering needles, damaged float/s, partially jammed open starter plunger.  Strip and check everything again take your time check each jet with a magnifying glass there must be NO damage/scoring on ANY of them pay particular attention to the emulsion tubes and make sure all the jet are the correct jets i.e. size!  The check all the bleed jets/cannels within the carb body recheck the diaphragms the whole surface they often hole right on the edge where they are clamped by the cap, the whole only being expose on large throttle openings i.e. giving it a handful.  Check all the the needles are set to the same and correct height and have all the washers and ring.
 
I know you've done a lot of work here matey I'm not being funny but you've missed something, remember the needle jet!  ;) :)
 
The other thing to check is the rubber caps on the synchronizing tubes make sure they are not split I once had this on a bike that came in doing just what yours is doing!  If you have a Scott oiler check the elbow they don't last more than a few years.  Also check every gasket and seal make sure the carbs are seated fully and squarely in the intake rubbers misfires at large throttle openings are often down to weak mixture and air leaks.  Lastly check the exhaust headers are fully seated and sealed after that mate there is not a lot else you can do other than change all the ignition system and try another working set of carbs.
 
Thinking about it why not see if you can borrow a set of carbs that you know work straight swap if the problem goes it's your carbs and one of the thing stated above, if it's still there it's an ignition issue which is possible.
 
It's very unlikely to be a fuel supply problem if you've only got a flat spot/misfire the float bowls hold enough fuel to last a while even on full throttle openings.
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Gnasher on 18 April 2012, 02:25:02 PM
good to see ya still at it mate ;)  i found a video on me camcorder i made a couple of weeks back to post on here but never got round to it. take a peek and see what you think. her bike is no more so this doesn`t really apply anymore but maybe it could ring a bell with others ! good luck with your spanner man :)
motorcycle fuel pump problem ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPml6VjeXbU#[/url])=

 
Matey this problem was very unlikely to be a fuel supply problem, the float bowls hold enough fuel to last a while even on full throttle openings.  This for my money was mixture problem and I would have started with partially jammed open starter plunger/s and then looked at worn jets and or metering needles, damaged float/s and lastly diaphragms.  It could be any or a mixture of any you only need one carb to be out and you get what you had.
 
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 18 April 2012, 07:23:25 PM
hi gnasher...thank you for that...two of us have now stripped the carbs down and not spotted anything, but i take your point about the needle jet,i also agree with you about the electrics,ive owned more than a few jap bikes over many years and never had a problem with electrics which has been backed up the tests i have done on the fazer over the last few weeks....needle and jets are origanal and never been touched from new so sizes and settings are fine,( ive owned the bike for nearly 10 years and 30,000 miles )   STARTER PLUNGER is a new one on me is that anything to do with the choke plunger ?
 i do keep coming back to the carbs but have removed and checked them half a dozen times now and can see nothing wrong.....so iam going to cheat  :eek ...ive bought another set of carbs an ecu and a set of coils from a breakers in surrey,removed from a working bike with 28,000 miles...all for £50,iam collecting the parts on saturday morning,
 i will start with the carbs but will clean and inspect them before fitting,
FAZERIDER,yes i did try your suggestion of lubricating the carb sliders by using a soft pencil but no inprovement,the sliders did seam to be a bit sloppy and i can understand them sticking,not ruled that out yet,swopping the carbs might highlight this as the problem
 if changing the carbs solves the problem,i will still try to find what the problem is and correct it as i would much perfer having known parts on a bike i use every day for work,
 my posts are getting i bit long winded now so i thank you all for taking time to read them,and of course for all of your help........ :thumbup
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 21 April 2012, 10:42:31 AM
picked the parts up this morning.parts as expected but a bit grubby,look to be in good working order,will give the carbs a clean and inspection before fitting  :)
 brother getting married on monday so iam a bit busy this weekend but might find time to get out in the garage  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 22 April 2012, 07:49:46 AM
had to go to basingstoke yesterday but couln`nt face the trip in the car with the saturday traffic so took the bike and the stutter came along for the ride,keeping the revs above 5000 but below 8000 i had a half deacent ride with lots of gear changes (a33 reading/basingstoke ).........this has however made the hole in the exhaust bigger so last night i took it off and had a look.....looks like  one of those tes strainers....lots of holes and very thin,out with the mig welder on the lowest setting and i managed to fill all the holes,a bit of light grinding and it dos`nt look to bad.....deadeye has helped me out with some new pipes ( thanks DEADEYE and HAPPY BIRTHDAY )  a friend of mine is going to pick them up on thursday all being well,
 busy today and tommrow as brother getting married so no work on the bike,but i have managed to give the new carbs a quick clean on the outside ready for internal cleaning and inspection,the casings are pitted and not as bright as the origanals but look good otherwise.....fingers crossed  :) 
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 23 April 2012, 08:40:51 AM
found some bbt (bonus bike time) yesterday and was able to refit the welded up downpipes and also the new seconhand coils,ive missed a small hole in the exhaust but luckly its on the bottom and can weld it in place,just a pin hole,went for a test ride yesterday afternoon and i think the flat spot at 5000rpm has gone,bit diffacult to tell with all the traffic on the roads,still has the stutter at 8000 but not as bad,i thinking sticking carb sliders as already mentioned by fazerider  ;) ;)  ,had a quick look at the new carbs last night,all the screws on the float bowls and diaphram covers are way to tight  :eek  but i did manage to get one of each covers off,float bowls are clean and look good,diaphram is good no holes but is a bit wrinkled and parhaps streched,sliders and needles look good...i dont realy want to fit the carbs without looking at them all so will take them to work and bore out the screws i cant move and retap,this is the risk you take with second hand parts,all being well i will fit the new carbs and see what happens and then parhaps just swop the sliders over.....bit of a pain boring the screws but i still have all the internals if i mess up,take my time and i should be alright....bike is rideable now and am using it this morning to pick up a few bits and peices for my brother as hes getting married today,so lots of bike talk with the boys later  :D 
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 25 April 2012, 08:30:54 PM
used the bike for work today,the flat spot is still there but not as bad......managed to get 13 of the 16 screws out of the float bowls on the new carbs,ive drilled off the heads of the other three and removed all bowls,all looks good and clean,i have now got to drill the remainder of the screws out,iam going to grind them flush with a dremal type grinding wheel and then bore a shallow 2mm pilot hole,refit the bowls and then bore with a 3mm drill using the bowl as a guide, ive made up a wooden jig to hold the carbs level on the pillar drill....i will have to be careful as the drill is going to want to take the easiest route.ie the carb body,this is why iam going to start with a 2mm drill to get it in the middle ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 25 April 2012, 09:44:21 PM
used the bike for work today,the flat spot is still there but not as bad......managed to get 13 of the 16 screws out of the float bowls on the new carbs,ive drilled off the heads of the other three and removed all bowls,all looks good and clean,i have now got to drill the remainder of the screws out,iam going to grind them flush with a dremal type grinding wheel and then bore a shallow 2mm pilot hole,refit the bowls and then bore with a 3mm drill using the bowl as a guide, ive made up a wooden jig to hold the carbs level on the pillar drill....i will have to be careful as the drill is going to want to take the easiest route.ie the carb body,this is why iam going to start with a 2mm drill to get it in the middle ;)
hey, this is getting all bloody technical ain`t it :lol ............good luck. take your time and remember to breathe gently ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Fazerider on 26 April 2012, 12:54:53 AM
Good luck with that.
Before you grind the remains flat it may be worth another attempt to unscrew them if you've a small set of mole grips or suitable pliers. Without the head the remains of the screw won't be under tension or have the friction of the head against the bowl, a bit of penetrating oil and gentle heat may shift them if there's enough left to grip.
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 26 April 2012, 06:45:10 AM
FAZERIDER...that was my plan,as you say without any pressure on the screws you can usually grip whats left and it comes out easy,done it loads of times...not this time though...the only thing iam worried about is boring off center but if i take my time and use a 2mm drill first i should be alright  ;)
 
ADE THE BLADE...not realy technical but it could get bloody later on today...parhaps some bright red liquid and some equally colourful language  :o :o ....the plywood jig i have made makes it a lot easier,ill see if i can get some pictures  :)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 26 April 2012, 08:39:29 PM
managed to find time to grind the remains Of the bored screws flush today,not a lot of room there but managed it ok with a small dremel type grinding tool mounted in the pillar drill,will go in early tommrow and bore and tap to finish the job off.
 my freind also picked-up the stainless down pipes i bought off DEADEYE to replace my welded up origanals...happy with that purchase...thanks DEADEYE  :)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Dead Eye on 26 April 2012, 11:12:18 PM
Again, you are very welcome :)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 28 April 2012, 07:20:51 PM
managed to bore the remainder of the screws yesterday,float bowls back on with some nice new bright zinc coated pan head screws. :D :D :D ...no bike time today as grouting the bathroom tiles but should be able to get out there tommorow  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 28 April 2012, 10:35:47 PM
grouting tiles ? thats womens work........get back out there and crack on with ya bike, you mouse !! ;) :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 29 April 2012, 08:39:29 AM
thanks ade...just what i need....a kick up the backside...........my wifes fed up with flushing the loo with a bucket and bathing in the front room using my grandads old tin bath.......good for me though as nothing worth watching on the telly  ;) ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 29 April 2012, 03:08:49 PM
thanks ade...just what i need....a kick up the backside...........my wifes fed up with flushing the loo with a bucket and bathing in the front room using my grandads old tin bath.......good for me though as nothing worth watching on the telly  ;) ;) ;) ;)
if she farts, run like hell as you could have your own personal tsunami !! :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 30 April 2012, 06:19:59 AM
ade....you`ve met my wife then  ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 30 April 2012, 09:43:39 AM
ade....you`ve met my wife then  ;) ;) ;)
no, but i know the difference between distant thunder and a galvanised fart !! :lol :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 30 April 2012, 07:42:36 PM
ade ,god help you if my wife reads this post.....made me laugh though  :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 30 April 2012, 07:54:01 PM
ok...enough of this farting about....had a bit of a balls up today....went straight out to the garage tonight and removed the carbs from the fazer,35 mins from start to finish,put the two next to each other and compared the sliders,not much between them so i thought i would swap the pipes in readyness to fit the new carbs tommrow night all went well untill i noticed the fuel supply pipe was in the wrong position and needed twisting round a bit so i released the clip and turned it with my hand......thats when the t peice broke  :eek .   to replace this means separating the carbs and iam not doing that so the only option i have is to swap all the internals,sliders,needles,jets and emulsion tubes,i`ll keep the origanal diaphrams as they look better than the new ones.unless i can fine some cheap pattern ones...........oh the joys of fazer ownership  :( 
 on the up side the new carbs were well pitted and had seen a fair few winters mine are bright and clean as iam a pansy and dont ride in the winter
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 30 April 2012, 08:17:43 PM
 :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes always one, ya bozo. only kidding. good luck with the innards. hey,would sliders etc be classed as carb offal like chitterlings and tripe ? :lol :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 30 April 2012, 08:23:02 PM
just did`nt want you to come to any harm,you`ve been a helpful chap and the wife`s a big unit......i mean a delicate little thing...... :D
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 06 May 2012, 06:25:39 PM
at last a bit more work on my fazer...today i stripped the secondhand carbs and fitted the sliders,needles, main and pilot jets,used my diaphrams as they look good and the seconhand ones were a bit mis-shaped and not as flexable as mine,slid the carbs back into position and tightened up the clips around the inlet rubbers,thats when i sheered one of the bolts,not going mad the heads in excellent condition not chewed at all,sheered just below the head of the screw (metal fatiuge ?) m4 x25mm,could not find any in my parts bins so will see what b&q have in the morning,probably best to replace all 8.....update tommrow :)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 07 May 2012, 08:22:18 PM
got the screws from b and q this morning,£3.57 for ten,could only get slotted so replaced just the one for now,air box bolted back in place and battery re-fitted.pressed the start button and a few seconds later the bikes running again,i swapped over the tps as well so i adjusted that so it read 5000 rpm on the rev counter,connected up the gauges to balance the carbs,not to far out but runs a lot better now they are spot on,hard to get to the adjustment screws but with a long slim posi screwdriver and a torch the job went well,well worth doing...i need to fit the stainless downpipes i bought off DEADEYE but i want to clean them up a bit first, iam going to use autosol and some fine wet and dry, need to buy these as right out at the moment so test ride will be next weekend now,it starts better now hardly turning over and has better pick-up  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: andy f on 08 May 2012, 10:59:59 AM
Hey, I had the same sort of thing a few months back, I dicked about with loads of things and the one day I replaced the air filter ( which wasn't that old, hence I hadn't changed it earlier ) but also I looked at this bit
 
http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php/topic,2849.0.html (http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php/topic,2849.0.html)
 
Item 24, mine was blocked . Cleaned the tubes out etc and it was sorted.
 
Now it may have been just down to the air filter needing replacement and the other bit had jack **** to do with it but maybe worth a look it's a 5 min job !
 
Andy
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 08 May 2012, 07:22:25 PM
hi andy,i did see that post and thought about it and then forgot about it.the air filter would have to be in a right old state to cause a stutter and i like you have a new one,so parhaps you might have stumbled accross something here,iam off to the garage now to check my tubes.....i`ll look at the bike while iam out there too  :rollin :rollin :rollin .....
 will let you know shortly ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 09 May 2012, 06:29:34 AM
breather tubes checked last night,no problems there.....there was a post on here a while back,a chap had replaced his air filter only to have a stutter when test riding changed the filter back and all was ok its been playing on my mind for a while but cant see how it would cause a stutter...and now theres two of you !!!!!
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 09 May 2012, 05:34:56 PM
breather tubes checked last night,no problems there.....there was a post on here a while back,a chap had replaced his air filter only to have a stutter when test riding changed the filter back and all was ok its been playing on my mind for a while but cant see how it would cause a stutter...and now theres two of you !!!!!
no, i don`t believe air filter should even be considered as the prob. gotta go down the ignition / fuel routes. ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 09 May 2012, 08:23:24 PM
bike starts and runs better now and pick-up is better,not been for a test ride yet (bloody rain)....if the carb rebuild has not solved the problem i`ll change the ecu next  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 13 May 2012, 12:55:15 PM
test ride this morning  :( :( :( :( :( ......i`ll change the ecu next............
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 13 May 2012, 02:00:01 PM
test ride this morning  :( :( :( :( :( ......i`ll change the ecu next............
never mind mate.......did carbs make any difference for you ?
 
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 13 May 2012, 05:56:08 PM
yes...balancing the carbs was well worth it....better pick-up from tick-over and smoother running
ive changed the ecu this afternoon simple job,unbolt the tail piece,remove tools,unbolt rear light,unscrew ecu,disconnect 2 block connectors....re-fitting is a reversal of removing....as they say in all good manuals  :D
not test ridden yet but starts and runs ok,will use it for work in the morning  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 14 May 2012, 07:47:49 PM
more rain.....no test ride....iam going to bypass the fuel filter just so i can cross that off the list aswell....probably be the weekend before i get a test ride now  :(
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 16 May 2012, 09:19:51 PM
removed the fuel filter tonight and put a straight piece of tube in its place....noticed that there was too much play in the throttle and saw that the bottom lock nut on one of the throttle cables had come off and was resting on the bottom of the cable  :\ :\ ....90 mins later managed to get it back on and tight without removing the carbs again  :) .............test ride at weekend  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 21 May 2012, 07:13:01 PM
working all weekend so no time for a test ride....so took it to work today...no change  :\ ...so tonight when i got in i put the origanal ecu back on and removed the straight tube and re-fitted the fuel filter.....i looked at the diaphrams on the replacement carbs which i thought were a bit stiff,thats the reason for not fitting them,but after a quick soak in some petrol they have loosened up a bit and returned to the correct shape,iam going to leave them to soak overnight and fit them tommrow,all being well...had a quick look at the bike and theres just enough room to replace them without removing the carbs again  :)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 21 May 2012, 07:20:18 PM
fingers crossed then red?? .....doesnt look like ade got round to trying his either?..wouldnt leave them soaking in petrol all night though??might fk em up?? :'( clive.
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 21 May 2012, 07:41:08 PM
yes i was thinking that as well....just waiting for someone to comfirm...thank you,now removed from petrol bath....yes ade`s gone a bit quite......sounds like hes got a low flow rate....no doubt a bit embarrased to talk about it on here  :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 21 May 2012, 08:12:39 PM
booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo !!! caught you :lol  well here i am once again. freshly scrubbed arse and raring to go...........ooooeeeeerrrr missus. well, firstly many many thanks to everyone who participated and voted :rolleyes  in my `count to 5` experiment. the end result.........................................................................thats right, none the bloody wiser :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol . no, in all honesty, i am more than convinced now that my pump is sh&gged, so a little peek at fleabay is on the cards methinks.
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 21 May 2012, 08:20:29 PM
ahhhhhhh........just as you thought it was safe ...............he`s back....... :rollin :rollin :rollin ...loads of cheap pumps on fleabay...good luck matey  :)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 21 May 2012, 08:28:51 PM
looks like the.....blade" saw  red"..with that comment??....yea? crap i know?? :o 
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 21 May 2012, 08:32:55 PM
looks like the.....blade" saw  red"..with that comment??....yea? crap i know?? :o
Clive, take your tabs with a nice glass of warm milk and bugger off to bed !!!!!!! :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin passed your bedtime, naughty boy ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 21 May 2012, 08:38:39 PM
 :'( ,,,,,,,,,,sorry! blood.................................. :z
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 21 May 2012, 08:42:43 PM
ahhhhhhh........just as you thought it was safe ...............he`s back....... :rollin :rollin :rollin ...loads of cheap pumps on fleabay...good luck matey  :)
thats right, gonna need a bigger boat.......can`t stay down with 4 barrels on `im :lol :lol .if they are that cheap why dont you treat me to one then? :rolleyes :rolleyes :rollin .got to agree with Clive, dont soak them too long. might damage the rubber. bit like carb cleaner, eats rubber.
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 21 May 2012, 08:43:37 PM
:'( ,,,,,,,,,,sorry! blood.................................. :z
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin  cracking up here !!!!!!!!!!! :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 21 May 2012, 08:47:20 PM
got a spare diaphram if you end up needing one ade?
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 21 May 2012, 08:51:51 PM
just took it out me missis!!!! :eek ..... :rollin :rollin :rollin ...only kiddin!!...couldnt if i wanted????....she,s a tight c..t  :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 21 May 2012, 08:52:00 PM
i could start a whip round.....ive dug deep and found two old pennies and a furry werthers original   :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 21 May 2012, 08:53:34 PM
just took it out me missis!!!! :eek ..... :rollin :rollin :rollin ...only kiddin!!...couldnt if i wanted????....she,s a tight c..t  :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

nice one clive.....and theres me thinking what use is one  :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 21 May 2012, 08:54:38 PM
Clive mate, just read my different angle thread and saw your more than generous offer. really really appreciate that ;) ;) ;) . there still are some selfless people out there after all ( make the check payable to Ade Megabulge) :rollin :rollin :rollin thanks again matey. don`t think i`m in need of one just yet. maybe you could consider extending the offer out to Red also? ok maybe not........lets make the little shit suffer for a bit................low flow rate have I ?  :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 21 May 2012, 08:55:59 PM
i was suckin one of those last time i visited .......muff valley? :lol ............hey? thats my fkr??????????????????????
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 21 May 2012, 09:02:38 PM
no no no no ..............stop it. stop it. i`ve had a sheltered upbringing lads. dont corrupt me with talk of soapy fish tanks and vicars handshakes :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin  how has a thread on bolloxed fazers turned into smutty chat about womens genitalia ?  :rolleyes :rolleyes what the hell..............who cares if her bike is arsed. this is more fun !!!! :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 21 May 2012, 09:07:53 PM
thats it no more.............fazer fixing,this banter is much more fun...just wish i understood it  :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Dead Eye on 21 May 2012, 09:09:52 PM
thats it no more.............fazer fixing,this banter is much more fun...just wish i understood it  :rollin :rollin

Completely agree... I think this is one of those moments where I'm told "You'll understand when you're older" :P
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 21 May 2012, 09:11:35 PM
thats it no more.............fazer fixing,this banter is much more fun...just wish i understood it  :rollin :rollin
that makes 2 of us.......whats a tight c..t mate ? :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 21 May 2012, 09:12:45 PM
hey, ade?.....just been thinking? :D ....whats the difference between a ...ride out on a exausted bike, and her indoors??????
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 21 May 2012, 09:14:59 PM
hey, ade?.....just been thinking? :D ....whats the difference between a ...ride out on a exausted bike, and her indoors??????
Clive...........for the last and final time, p&ss off to bed you twisted tart :lol :lol :lol :lol  p&ssing meself here !!
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 21 May 2012, 09:17:44 PM
thats it no more.............fazer fixing,this banter is much more fun...just wish i understood it  :rollin :rollin

Completely agree... I think this is one of those moments where I'm told "You'll understand when you're older" :P
i know mate...still waiting for someone to explain all about the birds and bees. no Clive no, the real explanation...not your twisted and sick alternative version :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 21 May 2012, 09:18:59 PM
well? seein you itchin to know?????????? .....ones a ..pant in the country"... the others a c..t in the pantry?....yes i know off to bed clive.................... :z :z :z :z :z :z :z :z :z :z :z :z :z :z :z :z ....... :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 21 May 2012, 09:25:49 PM
 :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin are the any other fazer forums that  i might get a proper answer to my bike questions? thought not :\ :\ :\ :\ :\ :\ :\ :\ :\ :\ :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol .....red, wake up !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 21 May 2012, 09:30:58 PM
ade?............what was your question again??...after all?............we are here to help!!!!!!!!!!! ;) ..ps, bought a new snorkel today?....might go muff diving tonight?? :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 21 May 2012, 09:35:29 PM
ade?............what was your question again??...after all?............we are here to help!!!!!!!!!!! ;) ..ps, bought a new snorkel today?....might go muff diving tonight?? :lol
clive, my original question was how easy would it be to ram my partners 2000 model fzs600 fazer up clives big fat arse :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin . why not treat yourself and go bog snorkelling :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 21 May 2012, 09:37:23 PM
oh? and by the way?......in ref, to the birds and the bees??? ....no fkn difference at all???/ ...they both will fkn sting you given the chance!!!!!! :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 21 May 2012, 09:45:56 PM
thats it ....no more. bedtime. night night peeps. off to dream about snorkels and diaphrams :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 21 May 2012, 10:01:58 PM
anyway mate?.....ime mentaly fooked now? what with sorting you,s and reds bikes out?..am havin a early night!!......its nealy june and her indoors wants sex again????....not with me?....no, bought her a vibrator!!!!!...gud un?.....diesel on wheels, with BANNER PLANT HIRE LTD written down side of it?......unlike me that fkr can go all night on 50p??????? :lol ..nite :z
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 22 May 2012, 06:47:29 AM
crazy dream last night  :o :o :o :o ....after all that advise last night i was hoping for a smooth ride this morning,started the old girl up through my leg over and eased open the taps.....no change,stutter,stutter ,stop ,go....still the foccing same.......are we talking about the same thing  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 22 May 2012, 02:55:23 PM
well red?...not quite sure what you on about?....but ile try and help?...when i first met my missis she was out riding a horse!!...took ages to shag it?...got 4 faults and a refusal at first jump!!! :'( ...second time didnt go well either?..asked me to shag her like a black man??.. told her i just did??...she said?..how do you make that out then?...told her hadnt washed it for a month??....only other night i asked her for sex? her reply?....ok darling if you must?...just put me nighty down when youve finished!!!!....this realy pissed me off? ..cus it was me wareing the fkr :lol ,......you cant beat a good blow up doll mate?? :D ....no back chat if it slips up wrong entry!!, allways got a smile on its face?,..when your rammin your exaust"...(motorcycle slang)..down its throat!!!...and best of all???.....if it slides over your side of bed in nite?..you can throw the bitch out!!...without it packin its bag next day ,and fkn off back to its mothers!!!!!....sayin all this? remember last summer?..when we had that scorchin weather??... :rolleyes ...one wkend she stayed at her mates!...so i thort to meself?..right time for...mingeater" has i nicknamed her? (got her off a lesbian i know)...windows open!,cool air blowin around room!, bike pump in hand!, to show herself?....anyway didnt go to fkn plan did it??...got a bit to carried away?..gave her a love bite!!..big bang :eek ..blew out window! didnt see her agen  :'( hope this helps? clive.....
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 22 May 2012, 06:14:35 PM
did she fart as she flew out the window  ;) ......all this banter and my bike still has a stutter.........
  can anyone tell me whats wrong with my old girl  :\ :\ :\
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 22 May 2012, 06:20:55 PM
yes red", still think its your diaphrams??....if just ones weak! cause problems!!
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 22 May 2012, 07:39:08 PM
ok crh......ive just changed the diaphrams for the ones in my secondhand carbs,was able to do the swap without taking the carbs off...will use the bike for wory in the morning and see what difference it makes  ;) ....the replacement ones were a bit smaller than the origanals had a bit of trouble seating them in the body of the carbs....i wonder... ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 22 May 2012, 08:11:35 PM
if your old ones ,,,had gone weak?,,,then mabe it had made them stretch? hence the ones your replacing / tighter fit???????????? :rolleyes
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 22 May 2012, 08:22:48 PM
carb porn.........what next :rolleyes
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 22 May 2012, 08:26:26 PM
carb porn.........what next :rolleyes

it was going well tonight....untill now  :\ .....evening ade  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 22 May 2012, 08:28:04 PM
nobody understands me.........not even my resident shrink :( . oh good morning red !!
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 22 May 2012, 08:28:58 PM
if your old ones ,,,had gone weak?,,,then mabe it had made them stretch? hence the ones your replacing / tighter fit???????????? :rolleyes

yes thats what iam thinking aswell ...test ride in the morning  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 22 May 2012, 08:30:06 PM
nobody understands me.........not even my resident shrink :( . oh good morning red !!

made any progress ade  :D
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 22 May 2012, 08:33:10 PM
nobody understands me.........not even my resident shrink :( . oh good morning red !!

made any progress ade  :D

ah....just saw your "angle" post..........we understand you ade..........we dont like it but we understand you  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 22 May 2012, 08:36:02 PM
now then ade? ...lets be sensible tonight??....had a bad dream last night?...woke up to find a fazer front wheel between me cheeks :eek .....
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 22 May 2012, 08:40:42 PM
nobody understands me.........not even my resident shrink :( . oh good morning red !!

made any progress ade  :D
ummmmmmmmmmm.....pressure treated half of our decking today, other half tomorrow.....burnt me bloody neck in the sun too.what a twonk. managed to get 2 loads of washing done and dried. had a chat with the fella over the road who`s well into his bsa`s. wolfed down 3 cheeseburgers for tea. gave my opinion on 3 bikinis my missus has bought and modelled ( quite pervy really, right up clive`s street ) thats about it. oh you mean the fazer.................................ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm no ! :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 22 May 2012, 08:53:25 PM
ok lads....sensible head for a minute. Red, with regards weak diaphrams a little test i did at one point with the carbs off ( i`m sorry) was to get a shortish length of pipe and tape it into the little snorkel thingy on top of the carbs in the middle with some duck / duck tape and gently blow. what i did observe was 3 of the sliders lifted at identical rates suggesting all was fine with those but carb #1 didn`t shift !!!!!!. turned out main needle somehow was jamming / catching down in the emulsion tube. so a quick clean and lube with graphite powder all all was fine. obviously didn`t help me any long term, but maybe something for you to keep in mind for future reference ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 22 May 2012, 08:54:31 PM
what you trying to say ade????????????????????? :rolleyes ............got any picy,s for me then?.....and dont go givin that red any? cus between you and me??......think he may be a bit of a perve???????? :evil
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 22 May 2012, 08:59:15 PM
what you trying to say ade????????????????????? :rolleyes ............got any picy,s for me then?.....and dont go givin that red any? cus between you and me??......think he may be a bit of a perve???????? :evil
sorry mate no pics.......for my eyes only ( wasnt that a bond film ) no....old Reds a good lad really, just wants his bike to run right thats all like me,,,,,,,,not a lot to ask really is it ?
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 22 May 2012, 09:06:12 PM
cant believe you both got same prob????.....still think its diaphrams tho?? if just one of them sliders dont open fully ? you not going to get full performance????
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 22 May 2012, 09:40:24 PM
ok lads....sensible head for a minute. Red, with regards weak diaphrams a little test i did at one point with the carbs off ( i`m sorry) was to get a shortish length of pipe and tape it into the little snorkel thingy on top of the carbs in the middle with some duck / duck tape and gently blow. what i did observe was 3 of the sliders lifted at identical rates suggesting all was fine with those but carb #1 didn`t shift !!!!!!. turned out main needle somehow was jamming / catching down in the emulsion tube. so a quick clean and lube with graphite powder all all was fine. obviously didn`t help me any long term, but maybe something for you to keep in mind for future reference ;)

top tip ade...thanks for that...next time i remove the carbs i`ll try that  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 22 May 2012, 09:42:05 PM
what you trying to say ade????????????????????? :rolleyes ............got any picy,s for me then?.....and dont go givin that red any? cus between you and me??......think he may be a bit of a perve???????? :evil

i aint no perve.......can we see the pictures,i`ll give you one of my special sweets  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 22 May 2012, 09:43:36 PM
cant believe you both got same prob????.....still think its diaphrams tho?? if just one of them sliders dont open fully ? you not going to get full performance????

not 100% sure its the same problem but might be related  :)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 22 May 2012, 09:52:55 PM
yes! know what ades ref, to?....and if you do try that? remember to check the slider locating groove? making sure thats clean etc? get a pencil.....GRAFFITE...and rub up and down the slit?>>>>>dont fkn start???? :rolleyes  to make sure it can slide freely?
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 22 May 2012, 09:58:36 PM
thank you clive...........forgot to mention that red, did exactly that but with the powder. use something like a cocktail ( :rolleyes ) stick to clean the slit, obviously being ali, they will get badly gouged using anything metally....is there such a word?
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 22 May 2012, 10:00:44 PM
guys if ya near a goggle box right now check out channel 4...............sick bastards ! :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 22 May 2012, 10:06:14 PM
no ade?? u thinking of ...mentaly :eek ........ps  corr i cud? if you and red held its legs open??????? :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b  got horn on now!!!!!!!
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 22 May 2012, 10:10:26 PM
you twisted whizzbanger !! :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 22 May 2012, 10:12:56 PM
how the fk do they shit?????????????? :\
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 22 May 2012, 10:19:42 PM
night night !! ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 22 May 2012, 10:30:50 PM
you did not answer my question?? :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 23 May 2012, 08:56:45 PM
hi, red, how did the test ride go???
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 23 May 2012, 08:57:24 PM
ok....more sensable stuff.....took the bike to work today..after replacing the diaphrams last night......made no difference  :\ ......got in tonight and fitted the downpipes i bought off DEADEYE,I`ve welded the old ones a few times now over the years and was thinking that some of the weld might be causing a restriction,i`ve also replaced the can with one thats been in the garage for years,when i took the old one off there was quite a lot of what i guess to be loose/broken baffles shook the can and got most of them out but had the spare so on it went...will use for work again tommrow.............hows the decking going ade ?
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 23 May 2012, 08:58:42 PM
sorry crh....think we posted at the same time.....not good,please see below  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 23 May 2012, 09:15:38 PM
ok. thats me relagated then?? :\ .....thort we was on to something with the diaphrams?...right ? this may or mabe not? ...but i recently swapped my end can from std to a harpoon carbon oval!!!, now although the sound it made was very impresive? on the road it wasnt so good?....low revs fine!!...but just couldnt get it to rev above 7500 without it holding back? as if i wasnt getting any fuel?...so just to double check? ..i reverted bk to std and it was perfect? only took it to 11000 but that was good enuf for me!!so i thort to myself ime not going to lett it beat me ,i loved the sound of the harpoon so much?.... so i decided to make a baffle for it!!,just to see if a littie bit of back pressure would help??...and guess what?....bingo!! nows revs has it should and goes like a rocket??? ;) ....so ?
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 23 May 2012, 09:27:48 PM
thats interesting  ;) ......see what happens tommrow.......iam running out of ideas now,will try ade tip about the sliders and then re-check everything ive done so far.....thanks for you help on this one  :)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 23 May 2012, 09:36:31 PM
might check the carbs balance again seeing as ive changed the diaphrams  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 23 May 2012, 09:39:19 PM
thats ok! sorry havnt been any help so far?.....its getting to me as well?...dont you just hate it ,when you think you.v don everything?..and it still no good!!!.....i was just like you with my f1 honda that time?...thats why i was sure i was on to sumat with the diaphrams???....
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 23 May 2012, 09:53:19 PM
iam sure its something simple and something i`ve already looked at...i just cant see anything wrong.....the test rides ive been doing have been on the motorway (when its quite ) and i now have a square rear tyre,its getting low anyway so will be buying some new tyres this weekend.....seams strange buying new tyres when the things not running right but iam not going to give up  :\
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 23 May 2012, 10:06:10 PM
no mate!! dont blame you!... you watch? itl be sumat so simple i bet?.....just put it down to a......phazer"" in your life of which ime sure you will overcome!!!!!......
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 23 May 2012, 10:24:48 PM
ru going for maxiss then?
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Dead Eye on 23 May 2012, 11:48:11 PM
Keep going red, we've all come too far for it to end without resolution :P
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 24 May 2012, 06:25:09 AM
ru going for maxiss then?

yes  i think i might, my friends has them on a xj6 and is happy with them...£137 from busters for pr + p&p seams like a good deal  :D
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 24 May 2012, 06:27:30 AM
Keep going red, we've all come too far for it to end without resolution :P

cheers matey.......think ill re-read my own topic and see if i can make sense of it...the answer is in here somewhere iam sure.... ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 24 May 2012, 08:54:40 PM
used bike for work today after fitting new down tubes and can.....no change  :\ .....looks like carbs off again,not too sure what iam going to do with them though :rolleyes
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 24 May 2012, 09:30:38 PM
would it  be worthwhile sorting a set of carbs complete with tps off net? possibly off a lower mileage bike?...or even someone like hills motorcycle salvage?....had loads of stuff of them?...breaking hundreds of bikes weekly!!....not bad on prices either?
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 25 May 2012, 06:32:49 AM
would it  be worthwhile sorting a set of carbs complete with tps off net? possibly off a lower mileage bike?...or even someone like hills motorcycle salvage?....had loads of stuff of them?...breaking hundreds of bikes weekly!!....not bad on prices either?

 :o :o :o   ah yes......i made a big mistake there  :o :o :o .....with the seconhand carbs i bought to try and trace the problem,i should have fitted them straight to the bike instead of removing the diaphram covers and float bowls for inspection and then breaking the petrol supply t-peice which made the carbs un-useable..hence  swapping the internals over,i might have a problem with the carb boddies !!,supprised no ones said anything yet,you must be all to polite :D ......i might source another set of carbs and try again,seen a cheap set on ebay close to home and i can always re-sell afterwards
 not used hills before,where are they based....off to hemel hempstead today,40mile round trip which will give me plenty of time to test the bike and try and work out whats going on  ;) 
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 25 May 2012, 08:57:51 AM
hi red,..its called...hills salvage recycling ltd,..gerrard place,..east gillibrands,..skelmersdale,..lancs,..wn8 9su....01695 455777..............................www.hills-motors.co.uk (http://www.hills-motors.co.uk)....also?...motorcycle recycle! think they based in chester?...01206 793111...they also good on prices!!!..good luck! clive.
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 25 May 2012, 07:26:46 PM
thanks for that clive  :) used the bike for work today,approx 50 miles round trip and the bike seams to be getting better,if i ease the throttle open instead of snapping it open the stutter is not there  :) ...its only when i realy hammer it  that it starts playing up...i think i`ll use it for a while and see what happens,its been a long winter and its just been sat in the garage so parhaps it just needs to be used  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 25 May 2012, 07:37:29 PM
not been using mine either?....taxin it next wk!..so hopefully get few miles racked up?...does em no favours standing? just hope it clears itself hey?? ;) ....
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 25 May 2012, 07:49:04 PM
not been using mine either?....taxin it next wk!..so hopefully get few miles racked up?...does em no favours standing? just hope it clears itself hey?? ;) ....

 
hope so...iam going to have fun trying  ;) ;) ;) ...going to order tyres tommrow as old ones spoiling the ride.they have a mind of there own  :eek
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 27 May 2012, 08:54:05 PM
up early this morning,no work so off on the bike,out on the a40 to oxford and on towards whitney ,pull over at hein gerreck (not spelt like that but you know what i mean)closed but had tea in car park,tea break over and down to goring on thames and then pangbourne quick stop and a stretch and then onto reading,henley.marlow and home to high wycombe....thats what i call a sunday morning  :D ....bike is running better but not perfect,if i ease the throttle open keeping up with engine speed i can aviod the 5000 stutter.its only when i give it full throttle and let the engine catch up that i get the stutter....going to use it for work all this week and clock up a few miles and see if it helps.....managed to round off the square rear tyre  ;) ;) ;) ...forgot to order the new ones  :o
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 27 May 2012, 09:02:55 PM
are you using a std can? or like ade u got a fruity fitted?? ...i ask this cus you too might need a rejet??????? :rolleyes
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 27 May 2012, 09:11:34 PM
standard can not fruity like ade  ;) ....wish i knew the reason behind ades fix .....hes gone quite,parhaps hes getting paid  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 27 May 2012, 09:17:36 PM
standard can not fruity like ade  ;) ....wish i knew the reason behind ades fix .....hes gone quite,parhaps hes getting paid  ;)
been answering your other post, ya jubbly :rolleyes :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 27 May 2012, 09:26:01 PM
oh been paid matey, half a blackcurrant cheesecake with squirty cream on...........the cheesecake :rolleyes ...and like it. theres gratitude. may try an under the duvet manouevre later if it cools down a tad :lol :lol :lol :lol . bear in mind Red, I was practically 100% convinced at one point that the fuel pump was the prob because of my `fuel delivery` problem. then I talked myself into carb issues ( both items were ready to be purchased ) as it turned out, my prob was `fuel delivery` only in the form of bigger jetting. try and take a big step back and re trace what you have checked / replaced etc. maybe something will jump out right at ya or into ya mind !
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 27 May 2012, 09:46:02 PM
squirty cream on your blackcurrents.....now thats what i call a payment  ;) ;) .....yes going to ride as is and have lots of thinking time......all the time i have the new thou sleeping in the garage,it wont be long before i cast the 600 aside and unleash "THE POWER OF THE ONE" ............................
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 27 May 2012, 10:20:02 PM
squirty cream on your blackcurrents.....now thats what i call a payment  ;) ;) .....yes going to ride as is and have lots of thinking time......all the time i have the new thou sleeping in the garage,it wont be long before i cast the 600 aside and unleash "THE POWER OF THE ONE" ............................
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hey maybe thats what you may need to do. use your new bike and just temporarily put your 600 to one side. maybe after a couple of weeks come back to it, perhaps later in the summer with a more clearer head and `newer` eyes. maybe worth a try. in the meantime, get out on your nice new thou and enjoy a nice couple of ride-outs. ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 27 May 2012, 10:30:48 PM
MIGHT JUST DO THAT ADE :D
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 28 May 2012, 08:34:18 PM
feeling a bit lonely today  :( :( ......some of you may have heard the sad news already...ive lost my stuttering twin... after a brief moment of mourning ,the time it took to drink my tea,iam back on my bike to work....coming home today the bike was a lot smoother,but on first start up this morning the stutter was still there for about 1/2 miles,which got me thinking,ive never checked the choke plunger and still on the origanal....never needed to use it as it always starts fine without it...not had a lot to do with choke plungers so will strip whats left of my spare carbs and see how they work
 also had to fill up on the way home,as after yesterdays ride out left me feeling a bit dry,the last fill up didnt seam to last long  ;) ;) ;) ,so i zeroed the trip and will see what mpg i get,might solve the puzzle...gentle riding last year i was able to get 59mpg...i`ll let you know  :)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 28 May 2012, 09:57:50 PM
feeling a bit lonely today  :( :( ......some of you may have heard the sad news already...ive lost my stuttering twin... after a brief moment of mourning ,the time it took to drink my tea,iam back on my bike to work....coming home today the bike was a lot smoother,but on first start up this morning the stutter was still there for about 1/2 miles,which got me thinking,ive never checked the choke plunger and still on the origanal....never needed to use it as it always starts fine without it...not had a lot to do with choke plungers so will strip whats left of my spare carbs and see how they work
 also had to fill up on the way home,as after yesterdays ride out left me feeling a bit dry,the last fill up didnt seam to last long  ;) ;) ;) ,so i zeroed the trip and will see what mpg i get,might solve the puzzle...gentle riding last year i was able to get 59mpg...i`ll let you know  :)
hey bro......don`t be sad......think of all the good times we had :rolleyes . right then, enough of that soppy sh&te back to it. when it came to the carb plungers matey, i stripped out all 4. nothing to them really. gave the plungers a very light sanding with 1500 grit w and dry. and put a very thin coating of vaseline ( hope clive doesn`t see this :rolleyes  ) on same plus any seals etc upon assembly. super smooth action. no potential drag / sticking probs. ;) . boss took it for mot this morn. flew through. no advisories . nowt. she had a bitch of a cheesy grin too when she returned. bad girl, menacing the bloody locals again. keep us up to speed mate with the mpg info. cheers
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 29 May 2012, 06:36:06 AM
i did check operation of choke when i had the carbs off,did seam to work well although when operating from the carb end as opposed to the bar lever it did feel a bit  "on or off" and nothing in between...will check the o rings and follow you with the v------e........didnt realy whant to use that word as you know what clives like  :rolleyes
 will update mpg as soon as i know
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 29 May 2012, 08:41:06 AM
i did check operation of choke when i had the carbs off,did seam to work well although when operating from the carb end as opposed to the bar lever it did feel a bit  "on or off" and nothing in between...will check the o rings and follow you with the v------e........didnt realy whant to use that word as you know what clives like  :rolleyes
 will update mpg as soon as i know
fool fool fool.................... :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( don`t tell the whole world ya gonna follow me with a tub of vaseline !! :wall . oh mods, how do i cancel my subscription pretty please. :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin need to get off this `ere forum thingy fast !!
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 29 May 2012, 09:39:12 AM
red!!!!, red!!!..RED?....i cannot believe your putting that blade bloke before me?? :( ....you never once mentioned anything about....VASELINE !!...a tube"..i may forgive?? :\ ..but a fkn TUB..??????????...i never thought ide be saying this red?...BUT YOU ARE A SLAG!!!!!!!!!!!!!...i feel used and abused ,red?....i may never ride my foxeye again!!!!!!!!..i might even be forced to quit this forum now?...and go buy a....SCOOTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!,yes red?,..you did hear right???...SCOOTER>>>>>>>>>this is how mentally disturbed you have made me?? :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek ..... :z
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 29 May 2012, 07:56:21 PM
its all gone pear shaped,no amount of v------e is going too get me out of this one  :eek .....................................
........................got a puncture  :\ :\ :\ :\ :\ :\ ............left bike at work and walked home,5 bl**dy miles  :(
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 29 May 2012, 07:58:28 PM
its all gone pear shaped,no amount of v------e is going too get me out of this one  :eek .....................................
........................got a puncture  :\ :\ :\ :\ :\ :\ ............left bike at work and walked home,5 bl**dy miles  :(

 
ade,can you reconmend a good doctor,one of the "special" ones that you use  :\
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 29 May 2012, 08:12:48 PM
hey!!...never mind...ade??....what about me?? :'( ....mental cruelty this is?.....tub "of vaseline??...are you saying that(the bloke your chasing across the south of england).....is a tightarse????????????? :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b ....anybody know of any vespa forums?? :'(
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 29 May 2012, 08:18:34 PM
p.s........sorry to hear about your flat tyre? :'( ....hey??...but on the bright side!!!..look at the petrol you saved?... :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol .....
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 29 May 2012, 08:24:58 PM
p.s........sorry to hear about your flat tyre? :'( ....hey??...but on the bright side!!!..look at the petrol you saved?... :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol .....

 
you and the blade defo brothers......your starting to sound the same :eek ....."look at the petrol you saved"....classic ade  :) 
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 29 May 2012, 08:30:43 PM
good evening all........and what another lovely day its been. :D
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 29 May 2012, 08:35:30 PM
thank god you back...BLOOD!!!! :D .....poor old red!!...i hear he felt a bit .........deflated!!!!!!!!!!..in all this heat today? :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 29 May 2012, 08:46:07 PM
proper question to you mr blade??......how did you get those wheels looking so nice?
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 29 May 2012, 08:55:05 PM
proper question to you mr blade??......how did you get those wheels looking so nice?
by the sweat of my brow and lots and lots and lots of elbow grease :) oh and a few magical ingredients and tools :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 29 May 2012, 08:56:30 PM
should have said...........i tell you, then i keeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeell you gringo ! :rollin
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 29 May 2012, 09:03:21 PM
com on then blood? spill the beans?? ;) ........
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 29 May 2012, 09:18:36 PM
ok ade?...cut you a deal?? ;) .....you tell me your secret method??...and me and the boys will make sure that red doesnt come any where near you with that 5kilo tub of vaseline??? ;) .....what ime realy trying to say ade is????.....your asssssssss is in good hands with me!! :D .......
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 29 May 2012, 09:27:07 PM
dont trust him ade  :eek ...........wheels look splendid  :D
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 29 May 2012, 09:31:47 PM
no,no,no,red!!! its just a ploy to get him to tell me you foooooooool??.... ;) ;) ;) ;) .....like you said red?..he tryed to lead me astray!! ime not realy like that red?...honest!!.......any way ?whats a 51plt gen 1 worth??....bin offered one today?
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 29 May 2012, 10:03:54 PM
dont trust him ade  :eek ...........wheels look splendid  :D
thank you my friend...........many many many hours of graft went into them. thats one reason i was glad to see the bike again. :) dont worry, i`m streetwise me ! hey, spot of bad luck with the puncture. all these things are sent to test us mate ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 29 May 2012, 10:09:26 PM
thanks!!...and i thought ...blood!!..was thicker than water?? :( .....how wrong was i?. :\ :\ :\ :\ :\ :\ :\ :\
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 30 May 2012, 08:35:14 AM
red!,...i never travel anywhere without a tin of quick fix tyre rep!!...i use wynns only £4.00 tin...saves the old pins!!...also use a tyre plugger kit!!....fixed car tyres with that as well?.....and they will fitt under your seat???????? ;) ..
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 30 May 2012, 06:21:37 PM
red!,...i never travel anywhere without a tin of quick fix tyre rep!!...i use wynns only £4.00 tin...saves the old pins!!...also use a tyre plugger kit!!....fixed car tyres with that as well?.....and they will fitt under your seat???????? ;) ..

 
yes good idea....might invest in a tin for the thou.......tyres need replacing anyway so better now than any other time  :) ....had i been further away form home it would of been a right pain,at least getting a puncture at work i had somewhere secure to leave it overnight  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 30 May 2012, 06:28:35 PM
red? going to ask ron haslam about your prob with fazer?...if he dont have a idea ?...no fkr will?...if hes about either tomorro or friday!!!...ive known him for years?....he only lives round corner from me??..... ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 30 May 2012, 08:16:43 PM
wow....top man....thats got to add value to my bike...tell him i`ll buy him a magners  :D
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 30 May 2012, 08:20:58 PM
took my trailer to work today and bought the bike home,need to order two new tyres but looks like the bank holiday weekend will slow delivery  :\ ..........if anyone needs their bike moved,iam happy to help with cost of fuel and a little bit for my time....iam in the south bucks area  :)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 30 May 2012, 08:35:20 PM
you got a thou havnt u?? been offered a 51plt solen recovered!!....needs front wheel plus discs, fairing, tank and seat??? oh and locks cus no keys?? :rolleyes ....what u think its worth??
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 30 May 2012, 08:53:16 PM
yes,had it a couple of weeks now...54 plate,just over 20,000 miles paid £2200 for it private sale and was advertised for £2800...lots of hard haggling and got myself a bargain...theres a piccie of it in the thou corner...........how many miles on the stolen bike ? is it a private sale ?.....add up the cost of replacement parts before you put in an offer and add a little on top because its bound to need a few other bits....also check the log book to see if its been recorded as cat c or d (insurance write off ) as this will affect the price,are you able to start and ride the bike without the keys ?.....if your not sure how to just ask the local toerags they will get it going in a jiffy  :rolleyes ....could be a good buy.........oh one final thing....go in low as you can always go up but not down  ;) 
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 30 May 2012, 09:04:18 PM
ok?...high on miles..56,000...full service history tho??..private sale, not recorded!!...still got tax /mot...not sure what mot? but 5months tax!!..like a rusty red colour,  ...cant start it?, so cant here it running??...old bloke got it,66? ...offered it me for.....£750.00
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 30 May 2012, 09:20:24 PM
mmmmmmmmmmmm.......£750 sounds good starting point  :rolleyes ...shame you cant start it but another haggling tool,dont know a great deal about thou engines but i have see lots of high milers.so would`nt worry about that....old bloke got it,another good point in my book,only used it once a week to collect pension from post office and fsh....i would go for that , parhaps start dealings at £500 .... :D
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 30 May 2012, 09:28:48 PM
you recon??...ile try him tomorrow ,...he did say if".i was to give him what he was asking? he would throw in all his touring luggage??? plus a 2 month old ...nolan full face!!!...
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 31 May 2012, 06:27:50 AM
at £750 that does sound like a good deal,hard to tell without seeing the bike...always worth a polite low offer to start as you can always increase it.....luggage would be handy but not a fan of secondhead helmets .......good luck and let us know how you get on  :)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 31 May 2012, 03:55:46 PM
red. went to have a closer look at that thou?....its in decent nick!!...and only bit of damage i can find is wiring ripped out of ignition?...right fkn mess they made!!...(he never mentioned that ?)....to me it looks like hes had someone have a go at hot wiring it??..because he told me that when it was nicked he,d left keys in?>>and thats why insurance wouldnt pay him out?????? hes had it from new and paid cash for it!!..seen reciept??....chkd over docs?..everthing ok there?....ive made him a offer of....£ 575.00...and he,s going to lett me know in morning?...i recon using second hand parts, i  could poss fix it up for around...£350>>400....what you think??.... oh he showed me all reciepts etc to it, and totaled cums to over £1550...over last 10yr......he was going to sell it before he got it nicked cus he got arthritis and couldnt handle it any more!!...and was asking £2200....
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 31 May 2012, 05:14:40 PM
confused now....................if he left keys in bike, why did the scum trash the ignition etc? :wall
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 31 May 2012, 06:19:01 PM
hi, ade....no when the old guy got it back?...there where no keys?...and i think either the old fella himself tryed t hotwire it? or someone tryed to do it for him??....that"..to be quite honest is the gamble ime taking buying it :rolleyes .....it could be fkd as far as i know??...but he seems a good old fella and assures me it ......DID..?...run spot on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!......i suppose if i do get it for that money ...as is?....then i could make more out of it breaking it...if it should go tits up?????????? :\ .....what i havnt costed out though? is the price of a new lock set? :eek ....and we know what they cost dont we?? :\
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Skinbeatersam on 31 May 2012, 09:02:36 PM
Hi Guys,


I ALSO have a stuttering Fazer. I have been reading these threads, and to be honest, as a newbie biker, they don't make any sense to me cos I don't know what most of the things actually are.


Has anyone worked out why this is happening yet??
Mine has been in and out of the garage over the past 7 months with this problem, has had new air inlets, new seals, new rubber tube bits, and now, a new carb. STILL, bloody stutters, and I am running out of money.


I am tempted to sell, scrap etc etc cos I am at my wits end with this. It hasn't been a reliable bike and with only 26,000 on the clock I am incredibly disappointed.


Any advice (in basic newbie language) would be greatly appreciated. . . .
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 31 May 2012, 09:06:06 PM
red!!!! quick?....you now have a triplet?? :eek .......he,l be along shortly mate!! ;) .....
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 31 May 2012, 09:22:51 PM
Hi Guys,


I ALSO have a stuttering Fazer. I have been reading these threads, and to be honest, as a newbie biker, they don't make any sense to me cos I don't know what most of the things actually are.


Has anyone worked out why this is happening yet??
Mine has been in and out of the garage over the past 7 months with this problem, has had new air inlets, new seals, new rubber tube bits, and now, a new carb. STILL, bloody stutters, and I am running out of money.


I am tempted to sell, scrap etc etc cos I am at my wits end with this. It hasn't been a reliable bike and with only 26,000 on the clock I am incredibly disappointed.


Any advice (in basic newbie language) would be greatly appreciated. . . .

welcome to the club..............
 
dont worry about the posts not making sense....they dont make sense to us either  :rollin :rollin :rollin ........iam still struggling with my stutter and am 90% sure its a carb problem,if you`ve been reading the thread you will know what ive been doing to try to trace the fault.....ive rebuilt the carbs with some second hand items and this has made no difference also checked the electrics and found nothing wrong.......as your a newbie i can strongly recomend that you get yourself a haynes manual you can find them on ebay.....manual no 3702....
 start a new thread describing the fault and also what you have already tried and we shall try to help  :D   
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 31 May 2012, 09:28:12 PM
Hi Guys,


I ALSO have a stuttering Fazer. I have been reading these threads, and to be honest, as a newbie biker, they don't make any sense to me cos I don't know what most of the things actually are.


Has anyone worked out why this is happening yet??
Mine has been in and out of the garage over the past 7 months with this problem, has had new air inlets, new seals, new rubber tube bits, and now, a new carb. STILL, bloody stutters, and I am running out of money.


I am tempted to sell, scrap etc etc cos I am at my wits end with this. It hasn't been a reliable bike and with only 26,000 on the clock I am incredibly disappointed.


Any advice (in basic newbie language) would be greatly appreciated. . . .

welcome to the club..............
 
dont worry about the posts not making sense....they dont make sense to us either  :rollin :rollin :rollin ........iam still struggling with my stutter and am 90% sure its a carb problem,if you`ve been reading the thread you will know what ive been doing to try to trace the fault.....ive rebuilt the carbs with some second hand items and this has made no difference also checked the electrics and found nothing wrong.......as your a newbie i can strongly recomend that you get yourself a haynes manual you can find them on ebay.....manual no 3702....
 start a new thread describing the fault and also what you have already tried and we shall try to help  :D
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 31 May 2012, 09:29:32 PM
red. went to have a closer look at that thou?....its in decent nick!!...and only bit of damage i can find is wiring ripped out of ignition?...right fkn mess they made!!...(he never mentioned that ?)....to me it looks like hes had someone have a go at hot wiring it??..because he told me that when it was nicked he,d left keys in?>>and thats why insurance wouldnt pay him out?????? hes had it from new and paid cash for it!!..seen reciept??....chkd over docs?..everthing ok there?....ive made him a offer of....£ 575.00...and he,s going to lett me know in morning?...i recon using second hand parts, i  could poss fix it up for around...£350>>400....what you think??.... oh he showed me all reciepts etc to it, and totaled cums to over £1550...over last 10yr......he was going to sell it before he got it nicked cus he got arthritis and couldnt handle it any more!!...and was asking £2200....

i think your a little low with your estimate of £350/450....i would put another £100 on that,hard to tell without seeing the bike though....if hes thinking about your offer your not far away from what he wants and iam thinking this is still a good buy.......but...............the only thing we dont know is if the toerags who stole it have done any enging damage .........see what he says when he gets back to you and dont forget to let us know  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Skinbeatersam on 31 May 2012, 09:31:37 PM

welcome to the club..............
 
dont worry about the posts not making sense....they dont make sense to us either  :rollin :rollin :rollin ........iam still struggling with my stutter and am 90% sure its a carb problem,if you`ve been reading the thread you will know what ive been doing to try to trace the fault.....ive rebuilt the carbs with some second hand items and this has made no difference also checked the electrics and found nothing wrong.......as your a newbie i can strongly recomend that you get yourself a haynes manual you can find them on ebay.....manual no 3702....
 start a new thread describing the fault and also what you have already tried and we shall try to help  :D   


Well, to add my 5 eggs or whatever, I can tell you now, I have just had a whole new set of carbs put in, so that may not be what is causing it.


I do have a haynes manual, however, all of that doesn't make any sense to me either, and I don't have a garage to leave a project half finished, cos I live in London.


I am going to be going to Oval Motorcycle Centre though.


If I find anything, I will let you know.
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 31 May 2012, 09:32:57 PM
Hi Guys,


I ALSO have a stuttering Fazer. I have been reading these threads, and to be honest, as a newbie biker, they don't make any sense to me cos I don't know what most of the things actually are.


Has anyone worked out why this is happening yet??
Mine has been in and out of the garage over the past 7 months with this problem, has had new air inlets, new seals, new rubber tube bits, and now, a new carb. STILL, bloody stutters, and I am running out of money.


I am tempted to sell, scrap etc etc cos I am at my wits end with this. It hasn't been a reliable bike and with only 26,000 on the clock I am incredibly disappointed.


Any advice (in basic newbie language) would be greatly appreciated. . . .

welcome to the club..............
 
dont worry about the posts not making sense....they dont make sense to us either  :rollin :rollin :rollin ........iam still struggling with my stutter and am 90% sure its a carb problem,if you`ve been reading the thread you will know what ive been doing to try to trace the fault.....ive rebuilt the carbs with some second hand items and this has made no difference also checked the electrics and found nothing wrong.......as your a newbie i can strongly recomend that you get yourself a haynes manual you can find them on ebay.....manual no 3702....
 start a new thread describing the fault and also what you have already tried and we shall try to help  :D
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin

 
yes i said WE ade  ;) .....remember the bikers code  :D
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 31 May 2012, 09:40:36 PM
now,now, girls?? :rolleyes ..........yes red thats whats bothering me?....he can poss vouch for motor before it went but what bt now?? :\ ..with not knowing how long it had been gone? and how theyd ragged it etc?????  :\ :\ :\ :\ :\ :\ :\ :\ :\ ..
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 31 May 2012, 09:41:53 PM
 :rolleyes .............mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm oh, go on then :lol . went out today with the boss today for a bit of a break from the workshop and bugger me, i really had to work me vara to keep up with her. those jets have definitely done some good :evil . why does everyone suddenly need new chains and sprockets all of a sudden? :)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 31 May 2012, 09:47:41 PM
ever thought of getting yourself a fazer???????????????? :rolleyes ........traitor!!!!!!!!!! :evil
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 31 May 2012, 09:56:37 PM
ever thought of getting yourself a fazer???????????????? :rolleyes ........traitor!!!!!!!!!! :evil
Clive mate, i`ve tried them all over the years. twins, triples , in-line fours and of course the brutal single `thumpers`  :'( , but i`ve always had a soft spot for v-twins. the torque is phenomenal. `course, mines tweaked to sh&t and back. all the usual suspects ( power commander etc ) but still had me work cut out today in all fairness. so, to answer your original question. sorry, no :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 31 May 2012, 10:00:34 PM
yea?..got  to admit? nowt sounds better than a v ......... ;) .......had a firestorm for a short while? loved it?? but fk did it guzzel :eek
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 31 May 2012, 10:16:57 PM
yea?..got  to admit? nowt sounds better than a v ......... ;) .......had a firestorm for a short while? loved it?? but fk did it guzzel :eek
the one before this was the sp-2...........jeeeeeeeeeeeeez that was quick. got rid as i need my licence for my job :rollin :rollin :rollin . of course the lump in me vara now is just a detuned firestorm. all the vtr`s are nice ;) . another good twin i had was me tl1000r. lovely sound to that. had scorpions fitted  :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 31 May 2012, 10:22:29 PM
if it hadnt been such a guzzler i may have kept it??.....but saying that?...i was riding it like a twat?...and i think it was just a matter of time?..before..... :z :z :z :z :z :z :z ...permanently.......
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 31 May 2012, 10:27:21 PM
i have in storage though a very nice norton commando 850 interstate!!!! bought it brand new in 1977.....just over £900 on the road!! only done  13000....one day i will ride again ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 31 May 2012, 10:31:08 PM
mmmmmmmmmmm..........i think i still ride too quick for me age now, cos obviously my reactions etc are a tad slower and i do find myself getting caught out from time to time going in too hot on certain bends.......silly old sod  :lol :lol :lol but inside i`m still 17!!!!!!!
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 31 May 2012, 10:34:45 PM
i have in storage though a very nice norton commando 850 interstate!!!! bought it brand new in 1977.....just over £900 on the road!! only done  13000....one day i will ride again ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
get it out on the road and ride it...........don`t wait till you reach the ` if only / what if ` stage !!
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 31 May 2012, 10:36:10 PM
yea me to??....think its just experiance that keeps us alive??....plus the fact we know how to fall off ?? :lol :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 31 May 2012, 10:39:33 PM
you know what?...every year i tell meself its time to sort her out?...then something crops up? and its then shelved for another year!!! :\
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 31 May 2012, 10:45:08 PM
yea me to??....think its just experiance that keeps us alive??....plus the fact we know how to fall off ?? :lol :lol
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 01 June 2012, 06:36:51 AM

welcome to the club..............
 
dont worry about the posts not making sense....they dont make sense to us either  :rollin :rollin :rollin ........iam still struggling with my stutter and am 90% sure its a carb problem,if you`ve been reading the thread you will know what ive been doing to try to trace the fault.....ive rebuilt the carbs with some second hand items and this has made no difference also checked the electrics and found nothing wrong.......as your a newbie i can strongly recomend that you get yourself a haynes manual you can find them on ebay.....manual no 3702....
 start a new thread describing the fault and also what you have already tried and we shall try to help  :D   

 
good luck matey  :) ........let us know how you get on .........


Well, to add my 5 eggs or whatever, I can tell you now, I have just had a whole new set of carbs put in, so that may not be what is causing it.


I do have a haynes manual, however, all of that doesn't make any sense to me either, and I don't have a garage to leave a project half finished, cos I live in London.


I am going to be going to Oval Motorcycle Centre though.


If I find anything, I will let you know.
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Skinbeatersam on 01 June 2012, 08:33:07 AM
My mate suggested that it might be the ignition coils. Has anyone checked this yet??



Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 01 June 2012, 09:40:13 AM
mmmmmmmm
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: clayt74 on 01 June 2012, 02:23:05 PM
try taking it back to the basics, if Ade got his sorted by larger jets (due to K&N filter and poss non stock exhaust) and the fact that Sam has had NEW carbs (which would have standard jets) have either Red or Sam got any form of mod to air filter, air box or can??
it sounds like you both have stutters at higher revs trying for max torque which really sounds like they are leaning out (too much air rather than too little fuel)
only my thoughts, good luck guys
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Skinbeatersam on 02 June 2012, 12:19:18 AM
Mine has just the stock end can, no mods at all . . . . . .


In this video took earlier today, you can see how it doesn't wanna go, UNLESS you rev it above 7k, and even then it's not happy about it (and you get to hear me swear at it lots . . . . . . .)


Earlier on today the throttle was fully open, in first gear, clutch totally engaged, and my speed?? 15MPH!!!! I had lorries overtaking me.  :eek




I WAS HOLDING UP LORRIES!!!!!  :'(


Swearing at your bike when it won't work!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a37s90Dv-Cw#)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 02 June 2012, 06:44:52 AM
try taking it back to the basics, if Ade got his sorted by larger jets (due to K&N filter and poss non stock exhaust) and the fact that Sam has had NEW carbs (which would have standard jets) have either Red or Sam got any form of mod to air filter, air box or can??
it sounds like you both have stutters at higher revs trying for max torque which really sounds like they are leaning out (too much air rather than too little fuel)
only my thoughts, good luck guys


clayt74.....this has been in the back of my mind since day one....the only non standard part on my bike is the AIR FILTER,changed just before the stutter started...cheap pattern one but it did look like standard,i cant understand why it would make so much difference but there was a chap on here who had the same fault,he put the origanal filter back in and solved the problem  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 02 June 2012, 06:50:05 AM
Mine has just the stock end can, no mods at all . . . . . .


In this video took earlier today, you can see how it doesn't wanna go, UNLESS you rev it above 7k, and even then it's not happy about it (and you get to hear me swear at it lots . . . . . . .)


Earlier on today the throttle was fully open, in first gear, clutch totally engaged, and my speed?? 15MPH!!!! I had lorries overtaking me.  :eek 




good video SBS.....fully understand you swearing .....i did that at one point,made me feel better but didnt cure the problem  :\ :\ .......your stutter is worse than mine and iam certain yours is a carb problem....if you had new carbs fitted at a garage, if i was you i would take it back,any deacent garage would`nt have returned the bike to you in that condition  :eek




I WAS HOLDING UP LORRIES!!!!!  :'(


Swearing at your bike when it won't work!! ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a37s90Dv-Cw#[/url])
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Dead Eye on 02 June 2012, 11:25:22 AM

welcome to the club..............
 
dont worry about the posts not making sense....they dont make sense to us either  :rollin :rollin :rollin ........iam still struggling with my stutter and am 90% sure its a carb problem,if you`ve been reading the thread you will know what ive been doing to try to trace the fault.....ive rebuilt the carbs with some second hand items and this has made no difference also checked the electrics and found nothing wrong.......as your a newbie i can strongly recomend that you get yourself a haynes manual you can find them on ebay.....manual no 3702....
 start a new thread describing the fault and also what you have already tried and we shall try to help  :D   


Well, to add my 5 eggs or whatever, I can tell you now, I have just had a whole new set of carbs put in, so that may not be what is causing it.


I do have a haynes manual, however, all of that doesn't make any sense to me either, and I don't have a garage to leave a project half finished, cos I live in London.


I am going to be going to Oval Motorcycle Centre though.


If I find anything, I will let you know.

If its had new carbs its time to look at the air and fuel mixture. As someone has suggested before (I have no idea which thread :P), take the bike out for a spin for 5 mins or so to get the engine warmed up then get back home and little it idle for about another 5 mins. Wait until its cooled down a bit and then remove one of the spark plugs. If its sooty then it may be over fuelling. If this is the case, check the air filter. You'll need to remove the tank and the air filter box is just infront of the battery.

This shouldn't take too long and is easily done with some basic tools plus you don't have to pay labour to the garage ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Skinbeatersam on 02 June 2012, 05:33:02 PM
I have taken it back to the garage, and they are fixing it free of charge, but it seems to be a recurring problem.


I am looking for a different one now . . . . Shame cos I loved that Fazer . . . .


 
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 02 June 2012, 11:09:45 PM
ade!!,have you heard owt off red?? not been on today?....got some info for him off road race mech!! bt the sttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttter?? :rolleyes ...trouble is going to have to ring him?? else ile be typing f,evermore on here??.....then if it gets sorted he can share it on forum??? ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 03 June 2012, 08:50:11 AM
I have taken it back to the garage, and they are fixing it free of charge, but it seems to be a recurring problem.


I am looking for a different one now . . . . Shame cos I loved that Fazer . . . .

good news sbs........let us know the outcome  :) :)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 03 June 2012, 08:54:36 AM
ade!!,have you heard owt off red?? not been on today?....got some info for him off road race mech!! bt the sttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttter?? :rolleyes ...trouble is going to have to ring him?? else ile be typing f,evermore on here??.....then if it gets sorted he can share it on forum??? ;)

 
morning crh..............awwwwwwww iam all excited now....welcome to ring me or pm if thats any easier....what ever the outcome will post  on here as might help others  :D
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 03 June 2012, 09:51:48 AM
ade!!,have you heard owt off red?? not been on today?....got some info for him off road race mech!! bt the sttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttter?? :rolleyes ...trouble is going to have to ring him?? else ile be typing f,evermore on here??.....then if it gets sorted he can share it on forum??? ;)

 
morning crh..............awwwwwwww iam all excited now....welcome to ring me or pm if thats any easier....what ever the outcome will post  on here as might help others  :D
be rude not to ya little tart consideringi told the world and his dog what the fix for the bosses bike was. :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: marksfazer on 03 June 2012, 09:59:56 AM
I'm sure this has been probably covered, but can't be bothered to look through 11 pages, is your fuel tank rusty inside? Sucking bits of crap into the carbs?
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 03 June 2012, 11:19:02 AM
ade!!,have you heard owt off red?? not been on today?....got some info for him off road race mech!! bt the sttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttter?? :rolleyes ...trouble is going to have to ring him?? else ile be typing f,evermore on here??.....then if it gets sorted he can share it on forum??? ;)

 
morning crh..............awwwwwwww iam all excited now....welcome to ring me or pm if thats any easier....what ever the outcome will post  on here as might help others  :D
be rude not to ya little tart consideringi told the world and his dog what the fix for the bosses bike was. :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 03 June 2012, 11:23:14 AM
I'm sure this has been probably covered, but can't be bothered to look through 11 pages, is your fuel tank rusty inside? Sucking bits of crap into the carbs?

good point....i did clean the tank but didnt post it.....spotless inside so just rinsed the gauze filter and tank and refitted  :)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 03 June 2012, 11:32:00 AM
good morning red!!.....see the blades still festering in bed then??? :z ......surely his missis isnt still paying him back for sevices rendered?? :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 03 June 2012, 11:35:32 AM
just had a call from CRH.....what a top man  :) .....hes spoken to some good friends who know what they are on about, about my stutter ( clive i`ll let you do the name dropping  ;)  )...hes given me loads of information and advice,far too much to put on here...i will go through them one at a time and post the results on here.....best one being mixture / air filter  ;) .........barrel of magners on its way clive  :D .....many thanks for your time and effort will let you know the outcome  :D
 ade.....do you know the reasoning behind your fix yet ?
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 03 June 2012, 11:37:56 AM
good morning red!!.....see the blades still festering in bed then??? :z ......surely his missis isnt still paying him back for sevices rendered?? :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b

 
hes already been paid for that......"squirty cream on his blackcurrents" :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 03 June 2012, 11:50:45 AM
Yuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuk!!.....she must be a brave lady??.....then again?....they do say that >>>>oral sex is a matter of taste?....dont they? :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Skinbeatersam on 03 June 2012, 01:03:21 PM
I'm sure this has been probably covered, but can't be bothered to look through 11 pages, is your fuel tank rusty inside? Sucking bits of crap into the carbs?

good point....i did clean the tank but didnt post it.....spotless inside so just rinsed the gauze filter and tank and refitted  :)


Mine was apparently rusty, so they sealed the inside of the tank with a sealant, and then replaced the carbs, fuel filter etc.



Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 03 June 2012, 06:59:31 PM
good morning red!!.....see the blades still festering in bed then??? :z ......surely his missis isnt still paying him back for sevices rendered?? :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b
11.30 in bed ?...up at 5.30am ( as always ) my bike cleaned first thing, followed by her gixxer and then fazer. no lie ins for me my lad :rolleyes
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 03 June 2012, 10:37:06 PM
when you having a go at it red??.....gave rain out all week?? :rolleyes
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 04 June 2012, 07:16:07 AM
when you having a go at it red??.....gave rain out all week?? :rolleyes

 
working this weekend + bank holiday,i do have wed/thur off though,not ordered the tyres yet planning to order towards the end of the week and maybe spend some time on the bike thurs,still hav`nt finished the bathroom so trying to fit a bit of that in as well  :\ ......on the plus side i did manage to sort some insurance on the thou  :D
  you made any progress with the stolen thou  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 04 June 2012, 11:23:59 AM
no! not heard a thing from him?...mabe because its bank holiday?..dont know??..ile give him a ring wednesday if i havnt heard owt?...cant realy afford to offer much more than that though!!...just spent a fortune on our bathroom!...plus ready for tyres on mpv !! plus??????.....without actualy hearing that motor run!!...i keep asking meself if ime doing right thing?? :rolleyes
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 04 June 2012, 12:07:16 PM
worst case as you have already said,you can break it and get more than your money back....there a good strong engine,i think thats a good buy  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 04 June 2012, 12:15:55 PM
yea! suppose your right?.....just have to wait to hear from him??....went to start bike this morning and the fkn new batt i put on 2wks ago is completely dead!!! :'( ......hope its just a duff one!!! :rolleyes
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Skinbeatersam on 04 June 2012, 01:10:44 PM
I'm already shopping for a new bike.


Got me eye on a nice ZZR600, although it is a horrid colour . . .


Hopefully if they can fix the Fazer, then I'll get a better part ex deal . . . .
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 04 June 2012, 02:33:07 PM
I'm already shopping for a new bike.


Got me eye on a nice ZZR600, although it is a horrid colour . . .


Hopefully if they can fix the Fazer, then I'll get a better part ex deal . . . .

 
zzr good choice,brother had one and loved it.....they seam to go on for ever  :D
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Skinbeatersam on 04 June 2012, 05:10:22 PM
It is a bit of lame ass colour (Blue, Turquoise with turquoise rims   :thumbdown :wall :thumbdown )


Although the number plate doe end with 'NWA'


Although for an extra £1k I can get an 08 GSXR650K8.


Not sure. . . . we'll see, test ride ahoy methinks
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 04 June 2012, 09:44:30 PM
test ride all of them.......you dont want to buy the wrong bike  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 04 June 2012, 09:47:41 PM
and!!!!!! if it sssssstttttuuuuttttteeeerrrsss!!!!,,,,,,,,wwwwwwaaallllkkkkkaaaawwaaay!!. :rolleyes
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Skinbeatersam on 04 June 2012, 11:53:54 PM
Absolutely!! I cannot deal with another shitty stuttering bike . . . . . .  :thumbdown


I want a good one. . . . . . .


Will I still be a Foccer if I get rid of the Fazer??




Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 05 June 2012, 08:35:33 AM
you could get a thou and still be part of the club  :D
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 05 June 2012, 09:58:21 AM
you could get a thou and still be part of the club  :D
or a honda like me and be classed as scum :rolleyes :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 05 June 2012, 11:17:36 AM
ade mate??....dont put yourself down!!....i dont think anyone on this forum would call you scum!!...just because you have a honda????? :rolleyes ............BUT????????????????????????...........in your own words and admission ??....you did say??? :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes ..that you struggled to keep up with your good lady riding her...WHAT WAS IT CALLED AGAIN?????????>>>>>>oh i remember? FAZER 600!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :b :b :b :b :b ...against ..YOUR HONDA 1000cc VERA!!!! :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o ....now either your lovely lady is a better rider than you?? :lol ..or hondas are...hdjcbngdjkdgsjjdghdfjfgdgyeiihhhjdf8e779747989vdhuvfvdfvkfvfvjvvfkc ...or in other words?...shit!! :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Skinbeatersam on 05 June 2012, 11:18:25 AM
There ain't many Hondas I like (VTR1000, CBR1000, CBR600, VFR800 . . . . .I think that's it)


Most of those are not viable as a bike for me by either being too old, or too expensive to run.


Is the thou more reliable than the 600??
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 05 June 2012, 11:22:04 AM
if i was you ide start another thread off on that one??  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Skinbeatersam on 05 June 2012, 11:30:18 AM
TBH, After the annoyance I have had with the 600 Fazer, I am very reluctant to buy Yamaha again (unless it's drums, they make very good drums) for while.


Gonna see if the garage can fix the stuttering problem, I'll pass on any thing I can that'll help others with theirs, and then I'll part ex for something that is more appropriate for my needs.







Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 05 June 2012, 11:32:22 AM
what  red said about the zzr is right??...cracking bike!!! ...i had a zzr 1100 although that was a bit of a handfull?..the motor was stonking!!!..the 600 isnt a slouch !!.....and its very reliable!...was once the fastest 600 on the market!! so if can pick a good one up for right money then go for it?? ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Skinbeatersam on 05 June 2012, 11:53:45 AM
The one I sat on (didn't have the time to test ride it as the shop was closing) was great. I was amazed at how comfortable it was.


I have found one on an 02 plate for £2850, with 14k on the clock.


Other than the horrid colour, it is perfect. Only annoyingly, you don't see many anymore, so if I don't get this one. I either have to travel far, or wait . . . .


If I get this one. I'll probably wrap it. . . . .
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Skinbeatersam on 05 June 2012, 11:54:55 AM
This is the colour  http://atsearch.autotrader.co.uk/www/ks_large_image_popup.jsp?id=201222474217834&channel=DEALERPAGE&adcategory=bikes&largeId=2056245411 (http://atsearch.autotrader.co.uk/www/ks_large_image_popup.jsp?id=201222474217834&channel=DEALERPAGE&adcategory=bikes&largeId=2056245411)



Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 05 June 2012, 12:09:39 PM
whats wrong with that??...seen a lot worst!!!....i never go on year?...condition every time for me?....mileage is very good! price reflecting condition mabe??....you will be impressed in how it goes though??? the handling is very planted as well!!...those motors are virtualy bullet proof!!....you could do far worst?? ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Skinbeatersam on 05 June 2012, 12:38:40 PM
It actually looks a lot better in real life.


I am not really interested in looks too much, I care more about mpg, comfort and fun (weird combination I know)


ANYWAYS, any more news on stuttering Fazers?? I find out tomorrow (hopefully)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 05 June 2012, 12:47:45 PM
reds having a go thursday hopefully?....so fingers crossed? :rolleyes
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 05 June 2012, 12:49:35 PM
go road test that zzr?....you will like it!!!!!!!!!! ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Skinbeatersam on 05 June 2012, 01:06:32 PM
I will.


I have kind of made up my mind that I want one. . . . . .


I am slowly working my way up to a ZZR1400  :thumbup :woot :woot :thumbup


Just gotta wait for NCB to build up a bit so I can afford the insurance on one :-)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 05 June 2012, 01:15:17 PM
mmmmmmmmmmmm!....not for the faint hearted?....me thinks???????????? :rolleyes .....
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Skinbeatersam on 05 June 2012, 01:23:09 PM
Indeed.


However, it is supposed to be quite easy to ride, and only goes mad if your mad.  :crazy . . . . . .


That's me dead then . . . . . :angel
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 05 June 2012, 01:41:33 PM
its the insurance that kills the biker!!! not allways the bike?? :rolleyes
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 05 June 2012, 01:43:33 PM
think zzr14,s group 17 t 20 isnt it??
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 05 June 2012, 02:45:31 PM
ade mate??....dont put yourself down!!....i dont think anyone on this forum would call you scum!!...just because you have a honda????? :rolleyes ............BUT????????????????????????...........in your own words and admission ??....you did say??? :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes ..that you struggled to keep up with your good lady riding her...WHAT WAS IT CALLED AGAIN?????????>>>>>>oh i remember? FAZER 600!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :b :b :b :b :b ...against ..YOUR HONDA 1000cc VERA!!!! :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o ....now either your lovely lady is a better rider than you?? :lol ..or hondas are...hdjcbngdjkdgsjjdghdfjfgdgyeiihhhjdf8e779747989vdhuvfvdfvkfvfvjvvfkc ...or in other words?...shit!! :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
your forgetting a small matter of power to weight. have you tried to pick up a vara lately? before you say anything. it genuinely was a mates and it took 2 of us !!!
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 05 June 2012, 02:49:32 PM
There ain't many Hondas I like (VTR1000, CBR1000, CBR600, VFR800 . . . . .I think that's it)


Most of those are not viable as a bike for me by either being too old, or too expensive to run.


Is the thou more reliable than the 600??

they may be old but totally reliable and quick ;)  owned all 4 at one time or other. vtr was an sp2 though. wouldn`t refuse any of them if offered tomorrow !! :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 05 June 2012, 02:58:13 PM
soz mate!! fgot bt that??.......please accept my sincere apps!!................BUT?....you did not say if your  beloved was the better rider??? :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 05 June 2012, 09:13:38 PM
This is the colour  [url]http://atsearch.autotrader.co.uk/www/ks_large_image_popup.jsp?id=201222474217834&channel=DEALERPAGE&adcategory=bikes&largeId=2056245411[/url] ([url]http://atsearch.autotrader.co.uk/www/ks_large_image_popup.jsp?id=201222474217834&channel=DEALERPAGE&adcategory=bikes&largeId=2056245411[/url])

 
 
nothing wrong with that colour looks good,not sure about the rim tape though.....my brothers was purple/black not a good combination.......i see it has a aftermarket screen aswell.....i rode my brothers a few times and was surprised at how comfy it was and also quicker than the fazer....let us know how you get on on the test ride......
 one of the good things about getting old is insurance , just took out a new policy for the thou with no ncb.........£182...........once ive sold my 600 and swop my ncb over it will come down to £102...(7 yrs ncb)  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Skinbeatersam on 06 June 2012, 10:45:55 AM
If I get it, I will be taking off that rim tape. . . . .


Annoyingly I won't be able to text ride it til Saturday. Hopefully it will still be there . . . . . :-(
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 06 June 2012, 03:34:18 PM
If I get it, I will be taking off that rim tape. . . . .


Annoyingly I won't be able to text ride it til Saturday. Hopefully it will still be there . . . . . :-(

 
iam sure it will still be there......everyone else at work aswell....always worth putting in a low offer even with a dealer,if he turns you down you can always improve your offer.....good luck with your test ride  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Skinbeatersam on 06 June 2012, 04:58:15 PM
Have also got to wait for my Fazer to come back from the garage as I have shit for cash at the mo . . . .

Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 06 June 2012, 07:53:50 PM
Have also got to wait for my Fazer to come back from the garage as I have shit for cash at the mo . . . .

let us know the outcome with your fazer  :)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 06 June 2012, 07:58:11 PM
day off today......so did i sort the fazer or fit the new toilet........now i am the boss of this house always have been always will , what i say goes,no ifs no buts,my word is final............................................................................
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............toilet looks good and flushes a treat..... :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 06 June 2012, 08:06:05 PM
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!.......you not talkin to her right?....you want to put your foot down with a firm hand?..and if that dont work? move out into your garage!!...that will show her????????? ;) ....cant lett em walk all over you?.... :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 06 June 2012, 08:15:33 PM
hi matey....that will make her day if i moved into the garage......thought about it a few times  ;) .....anyway loads of browine points today,wonder how shes going to pay me..........think i`ll pop out and get some squirty cream  ;) ;) ;) ........................dont realy feel like doing the bike tommrow,worn out as big job today,floor boards up the lot,if my cover note comes for the thou i`ll be straight down the post office to get the tax and then........whosssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssh.......i`ll be gone for the rest of the day.... 
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 06 June 2012, 08:27:56 PM
i had to swap a brand new duff battery tday?.....only had it 2wks...and it was a ......yuasa!...fkd!!!!!! :\
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 06 June 2012, 08:40:10 PM
think you better see what the boss says first?....dont you? :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 08 June 2012, 06:30:32 AM
day off yesterday...was planning to take the thou out....must have been the wettest day this year  :\ :\ ...did tax it though  :) ....had a good clear up in the garage and took a load of stuff to the dump...kept the stuttering fazer before anyone asks,so now have a nice tidy garage to sort the bike out,will be ordering the tyres this evening and have them delivered to work as always someone there...working this weekend but should have time to spend on the fazer... ;)
 
 so in short................no progress  :\
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 08 June 2012, 08:43:14 AM
day off yesterday...was planning to take the thou out....must have been the wettest day this year  :\ :\ ...did tax it though  :) ....had a good clear up in the garage and took a load of stuff to the dump...kept the stuttering fazer before anyone asks,so now have a nice tidy garage to sort the bike out,will be ordering the tyres this evening and have them delivered to work as always someone there...working this weekend but should have time to spend on the fazer... ;)
 
 so in short................no progress  :\
yes it was a bit damp here too, and its continuing all day today apparently. :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes boss has been travelling to work by cage all this week ( too dangerous on bike with the chronic wind gusts). just had todays clutch job ring up and cancel due to bike stuck in garage with a buckled door (wind) apparently :rolleyes :'( :'( , so it looks like a workshop tidyup day and a little checkover / lube of the bikes whilst they are all here. remember matey, all good things come to those who wait. supposed to be better tomorrow so you may get an evening blast in. ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: His Dudeness on 08 June 2012, 10:22:15 AM
this has gone from a thread into a short story
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Skinbeatersam on 08 June 2012, 10:34:18 AM
Got Fazer back and feels really tight and sexy. :-) According to the mechanic it was the fuel injectors/valve thingy that needed clearing (I actually totally forgot on the ride back as I was having too much fun) Eitherway, it was something that the mechanic says he hasn't done in 25 years  . . . . .


I remain a little apprehensive cos I have eroded trust, however, if the two bikes I test tomorrow don't match up, or I don't get offered more than £1300 part ex, then I will probably be keeping it . . . . .  :D
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 08 June 2012, 11:28:11 AM
are you sure he got right bike???.....fuel injector,valve ?.... :rolleyes
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 08 June 2012, 11:53:35 AM
hey red!!....picking up thou at wkend?....settled at £600..BUT....no luggage!! dont blame him though?...had a offer for £200 for it!!...we struck up a deal though?....hes so confident that motors ok?...he,l give me a 100 bk if owt wrong with it? :\ .....he also thinks that he may have a spare key?..as he can remember putting one...as he says?..safe in his garage??.. :rolleyes ....ile not keep me hopes up on that hey?....anyway if it does go tits up!... yourself and many more will enjoy the spares :\ .......
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Skinbeatersam on 08 June 2012, 02:20:12 PM
are you sure he got right bike???.....fuel injector,valve ?.... :rolleyes


I am sure he did, it is probably me just foccin it up. Eitherway, it feels nice and tight now. :-) I may keep it as I was saying . . .
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 08 June 2012, 06:20:23 PM
mr blade sir!....do you have any knowledge of moto guzzi engines?.....thats if you havnt fell out with me?....cus i slagged off vera? :\
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 08 June 2012, 07:35:30 PM
Got Fazer back and feels really tight and sexy. :-) According to the mechanic it was the fuel injectors/valve thingy that needed clearing (I actually totally forgot on the ride back as I was having too much fun) Eitherway, it was something that the mechanic says he hasn't done in 25 years  . . . . .


I remain a little apprehensive cos I have eroded trust, however, if the two bikes I test tomorrow don't match up, or I don't get offered more than £1300 part ex, then I will probably be keeping it . . . . .  :D

no injectors on you bike mate......you have carbs   :eek ......good luck with the teat rides  :)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 08 June 2012, 07:39:02 PM
hey red!!....picking up thou at wkend?....settled at £600..BUT....no luggage!! dont blame him though?...had a offer for £200 for it!!...we struck up a deal though?....hes so confident that motors ok?...he,l give me a 100 bk if owt wrong with it? :\ .....he also thinks that he may have a spare key?..as he can remember putting one...as he says?..safe in his garage??.. :rolleyes ....ile not keep me hopes up on that hey?....anyway if it does go tits up!... yourself and many more will enjoy the spares :\ .......

 
nice one crh....and a good price/deal....put some piccies on so we can all see  :)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 08 June 2012, 07:43:42 PM
this has gone from a thread into a short story

 
you not wrong there mate.......did go off topic a few times on the way,and i lost interest a couple of times.....iam going to order the tyres tommrow and crh has come up with a few solutions that might solve the stutter main one being fuel/air mixture as i have a pattern air filter which i fitted just before the stutter started.......busy at work at moment but hope to get out in the garage this weekend  :)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 08 June 2012, 07:58:24 PM
mr blade sir!....do you have any knowledge of moto guzzi engines?.....thats if you havnt fell out with me?....cus i slagged off vera? :\
sorry matey, strictly jap man me ;) .......should imagine like ducati, cost a fortune to maintain :rolleyes ....mate has a stelvio, do like that though.!
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 08 June 2012, 08:14:04 PM
tyres ordered.........busters online.....pair maxxis supermaxx m6029....£142.89 delivered.......super  :)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 08 June 2012, 08:43:36 PM
thers not alot to show yet red? :\ ......got to start and budget for some bits?....front wheel, discs,tank ,seat,etc,etc,etc,.... :rolleyes ...on the bright side though??......hes chucked in?.....5ltrs castrol power 1...filter, set of new plugs and  workshop man!!! :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 08 June 2012, 10:13:56 PM
mr blade sir!....do you have any knowledge of moto guzzi engines?.....thats if you havnt fell out with me?....cus i slagged off vera? :\
sorry matey, strictly jap man me ;) .......should imagine like ducati, cost a fortune to maintain :rolleyes ....mate has a stelvio, do like that though.!
   cheers anyway ade!!...what it is a mate of mine has dropped his guzzi le mans off at mine expecting me to sort it for him?...wont start at any cost!!...got spark,fuel,excellent comp, fires?...but only runs for seconds??.....its a 1978 and only done 19k from new?....
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 08 June 2012, 10:43:50 PM
mr blade sir!....do you have any knowledge of moto guzzi engines?.....thats if you havnt fell out with me?....cus i slagged off vera? :\
sorry matey, strictly jap man me ;) .......should imagine like ducati, cost a fortune to maintain :rolleyes ....mate has a stelvio, do like that though.!
   cheers anyway ade!!...what it is a mate of mine has dropped his guzzi le mans off at mine expecting me to sort it for him?...wont start at any cost!!...got spark,fuel,excellent comp, fires?...but only runs for seconds??.....its a 1978 and only done 19k from new?....
purely guessing mate, sounds very fuel-related. dunno. sorry. either that or stop turning the bloody ignition key off all the time :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 08 June 2012, 10:49:03 PM
mmmmmmmmmm!...ime thinking hes burnt a valve or valves out??....its not a unleaded engine and  for just over a year hes not been usin that lead additive??......so i think thats got sumat to do with it??.... :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 09 June 2012, 10:15:39 PM
hey red??.....did you have a go at it today?
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 10 June 2012, 08:07:33 AM
hey red??.....did you have a go at it today?

 
hi crh......had a few hours work yesterday with a 4hr window in the middle.......so , did i make a start on the 600 or take the thou out for the first time  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 10 June 2012, 08:12:34 AM
i take it you likey then???????????????? ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 10 June 2012, 10:08:27 AM
i take it the 600 is running like a dream then. :rolleyes :rolleyes :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: robby boy on 10 June 2012, 11:36:06 AM
mmmmmmmmmm!...ime thinking hes burnt a valve or valves out??....its not a unleaded engine and  for just over a year hes not been usin that lead additive??......so i think thats got sumat to do with it??.... :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes








If its got good compression on all cylinders I would very much doubt it to be a burnt valve, sounds more like blocked jets or something.

Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 10 June 2012, 01:01:25 PM
i take it the 600 is running like a dream then. :rolleyes :rolleyes :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin

thats right ade.....the 600 runs like a dream..........in my dreams ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 10 June 2012, 01:16:11 PM
i take it you likey then???????????????? ;)

 
yes ....like it mucho....but......previous owner liked to use some sort of silocone spray cleaner on everything....including the grips  :eek :eek :eek ......also the crash bars rest against my shin and everytime i went over a bump would give me a knock...first thing when i got back the bars came off...also one of the pads on the front inside is a bit low so will fit new pads and give the pistons a clean/inspect....handle bars defo too wide so will see if i can get some origanal ones......loads of power and very smooth slightly higher seat height compared to the 600 but that suits me...great on the twisty bits with pilots  :D .....bought some de-greasing wipes on way back to get rid of the silocone  ;) ......otherwise happy with my purchase......oh .gear lever slightly too low.
 
as regards the 600...will make a start one evening this week , tyres should be here wed/thurs so will remove the wheels in readyness  :) 
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 10 June 2012, 03:54:01 PM
look red?..if you not happy with it?..then i do know someone who would be happy to take a few parts off you?? :b .....no use keeping sumat if you dont get on with it??.............like i keep tellin her indoors!! :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 10 June 2012, 09:34:49 PM
look red?..if you not happy with it?..then i do know someone who would be happy to take a few parts off you?? :b .....no use keeping sumat if you dont get on with it??.............like i keep tellin her indoors!! :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

good idea crh.......send your misses down ive got loads of housework/ironing/washing/cleaning that needs doing....you know the sort of thing....womens work  ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 10 June 2012, 09:38:13 PM
Mmmmmmmmm?........sounds like you want a good job doing???.....ile get me coat!!! ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 10 June 2012, 09:41:58 PM
start with the washing.......iam going down the garage  ;) 
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 10 June 2012, 09:47:18 PM
typical man???........you go play whilst i do all the fkn housework!!!!!!well if you not in by 10.30 ime locking door and going to bed!!!! :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: goose710 on 15 June 2012, 07:04:22 PM
hi folks been studying this post since page 1 as i too have the same problem wiv a 98 fazer.i bought it last december and its been running the stuttering prob pretty much ever sice :'( the owner before had put a devlvic pipe on it and stainless dwnpipes,standard filter.Never been sure weather it was re jetted he had put irridum plugs new oil filter etc just before i got it.ive followed most of ur checks and everthing seems ok.having left it for a few mnths thought id go throu the checks all again.I found this time no 3 cylinder cold ?checked the plug duff!.changed them today back to ngk and all seemed ok on start up.Grt i thought test ride,stuttering almost instant.I then pulled choke on for ten secs and it pick up again ,i then shut the choke off and it all seemed far much better.Any ideas?wld it be not enough fuel ,and needs re jetting and aftermarket air filter.I was thinking of buying a standard end can and putting that back on?sorry its soooo long chaps....goose
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 15 June 2012, 09:08:44 PM
hi,goose, reds got a std can on his and its still doing same?....so mabe at this point?..save your dosh!!...keep looking on here because reds going to do some more testing?...some tips given to him off a road racing mechanic!.....ade the blade cured his with a re,jet and his was wearing a aftermarket can?....but he had slightly diffrnt symptoms?.....any way?....ime sure red and ade will be along shortly?.......
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 16 June 2012, 01:09:02 PM
hi goose......... welcome to the club........yes standard can on mine,carbs std as well.ie main jets,pilot jets and needle on factory height settings....crh has helped me out with lots of checks/inspections/changes and probable causes for the stutter,main one being mixture screws,i have a pattern air filter which i fitted just before i noticed the stutted so will check mixture and richen by half a turn....waiting for tyres at moment so wont be able to test ride untill i have them fitted (puncture  :\ )ill do both jobs together and let you know the outcome ..... :)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: goose710 on 17 June 2012, 09:25:00 AM
hi folks bit of an up date.,back in march i was 1st thinking my problem cld be either coils or fuel pump so i had bought a set of coils and fuel pump frm flea bay.yesterday i decided to fit them just to elimate them ,so braved the high winds and did the change on me door step,on start up seemed good then stutter and cut out,scratch me head ,oh id forgot to turn the petrol tap under the tank back on  :\ took it for a test ride and its fine .Just hope that maybe the old fuel pump had a problem.I still might junk the patterned standard air filter and go KnN and stage 1 dyno jet ,gona take the bike for a good ride out today and see after a few hrs riding will let you all know ,fngrs x its solved.goose
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 17 June 2012, 10:21:52 AM
not realy looked at the fuel pump...apart from a flush through...lets us know the outcome of the test ride  ;)   
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 17 June 2012, 10:35:31 AM
red!! remember the fuel pump tests we did with ade??.......chk bk to the pulse results?? ...wasnt mine reading alot higher than yours?...at tickover and 5000rpm?????? :rolleyes
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 17 June 2012, 11:07:07 AM
red!! remember the fuel pump tests we did with ade??.......chk bk to the pulse results?? ...wasnt mine reading alot higher than yours?...at tickover and 5000rpm?????? :rolleyes

 
ah yes......well remembered....results....                 idle          5000 rpm
 
                                                          ade         1              3
                                                          crh          2              9
                                                          red          2.5           7
 
yes indeed............ade has a low count  :rollin :rollin
ade used bigger jets to solve his problem...figures are interesting though....GOOSE...have you done this test ? posted by ADE THE BLADE on 18 may 2012   
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 17 June 2012, 11:46:22 AM
red!! remember the fuel pump tests we did with ade??.......chk bk to the pulse results?? ...wasnt mine reading alot higher than yours?...at tickover and 5000rpm?????? :rolleyes

 
ah yes......well remembered....results....                 idle          5000 rpm
 
                                                          ade         1              3
                                                          crh          2              9
                                                          red          2.5           7
 
yes indeed............ade has a low count  :rollin :rollin
ade used bigger jets to solve his problem...figures are interesting though....GOOSE...have you done this test ? posted by ADE THE BLADE on 18 may 2012   
.....ade!! that red says you a low c...t  :eek  and i thought you and him where pals!! :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 17 June 2012, 08:44:35 PM
red!! remember the fuel pump tests we did with ade??.......chk bk to the pulse results?? ...wasnt mine reading alot higher than yours?...at tickover and 5000rpm?????? :rolleyes

 
ah yes......well remembered....results....                 idle          5000 rpm
 
                                                          ade         1              3
                                                          crh          2              9
                                                          red          2.5           7
 
yes indeed............ade has a low count  :rollin :rollin
ade used bigger jets to solve his problem...figures are interesting though....GOOSE...have you done this test ? posted by ADE THE BLADE on 18 may 2012   
.....ade!! that red says you a low c...t  :eek  and i thought you and him where pals!! :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes

 
not heard from ade for a while...........hope hes alright....or parhaps hes been out to buy some more squirty cream  :rolleyes
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 17 June 2012, 08:50:55 PM
no me niether?....think hes fell out with me anyway red? :( .....cus i slagged off his vera??????? :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes .......or?,,,,,,,hes been deep sea muff diving and forgot to put on his snorkal??????????????????????????? :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 17 June 2012, 09:01:15 PM
had a lazy day today....but did look at the mixture screws on my spare carbs....2.25 turns out....standard factory settings are 2 turns  ;) ....my bikes a very original example that ive owned for ten years,iam expecting the mixture screws to be 2 turns out if they are i will increase to 2.25 to see if this helps ...........still to sort some tyres after the puncture i got the other day so not been keen to work on bike as wont be able to test ride...did order from busters over a week ago,i phoned yesterday and was told would be another 6 weeks  :eek
 
GOOSE........have you been on your test ride ?  :)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 17 June 2012, 09:08:53 PM
busters??...disgstin mate!!...ive spent hundreds over years with them with no probs??.....cant understand why they doing that to people though?.....they should know what stock they carrying?.......yes try them carbs?...lets hope theres an improvement?? ;) .....and if all else fails?? get a gallon of unleaded n set fire to the fkr????? :evil :evil :evil :evil :evil ......just think what goodies you could buy for geni?????? :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 17 June 2012, 09:21:57 PM
yes happy with gen1....have a scorpion end can on and took the baffle out today for a ride to ace cafe...that makes quite a difference to mid range...might annoy the neighbours in the morning though....tick over not quite as smooth with baffle out...have bought a standard can off ebay so might try that....bargain £17 with std screen thrown in  :)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 17 June 2012, 09:32:45 PM
bet theres a massive difference from the 6 to the though isnt there??.......whats it like on fuel?
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 17 June 2012, 10:51:21 PM
yeh big difference....real arm puller and not reached red line yet....i think iam quicker and more relaxed...very sure footed on the road and surprisingly stable at low speed.....how you getting on with yours  :)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 17 June 2012, 10:58:58 PM
dont ask?? :( ......got it running?...sounds sweet as a nut!!!!.....but...wont go in fkn gear will it?? :'( ......crunches when you try?....so i put it in gear first??..then started it??.....took me up me fkn drive at warp speed!!!!!!!!!!!! :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek ......think i have a problem?????????????????????????? :'( think clutch fkd?
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 17 June 2012, 11:26:14 PM
yeh big difference....real arm puller and not reached red line yet....i think iam quicker and more relaxed...very sure footed on the road and surprisingly stable at low speed.....how you getting on with yours  :)
...yes nice int it to have all that power on tap?? ;) ....my fjr wanted to rip your arms out of sockets too!!.....with nearly 100ftlbs of torque to play with certainly makes your ..ring piece protrude a little :b .......although i do sometimes miss the power of a litre plus bike ?..i do find my foxeye realy good for a 600!...far the bestof any 6 ive  either owned or ridden!!!...i dont tour no more so its good enuf for me!!...dont yet know what ime going to do with the thou?....end of day its all down to money?....ile leave it now for a winter project,give me time to sort some good parts out! at winter prices!!....but promised myself next year my nortons coming out the closet??? ;) ...
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 18 June 2012, 06:40:21 AM
dont ask?? :( ......got it running?...sounds sweet as a nut!!!!.....but...wont go in fkn gear will it?? :'( ......crunches when you try?....so i put it in gear first??..then started it??.....took me up me fkn drive at warp speed!!!!!!!!!!!! :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek ......think i have a problem?????????????????????????? :'( think clutch fkd?

 
good and bad then......lets hope its the clutch  :)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 18 June 2012, 06:45:51 AM
yeh big difference....real arm puller and not reached red line yet....i think iam quicker and more relaxed...very sure footed on the road and surprisingly stable at low speed.....how you getting on with yours  :)
...yes nice int it to have all that power on tap?? ;) ....my fjr wanted to rip your arms out of sockets too!!.....with nearly 100ftlbs of torque to play with certainly makes your ..ring piece protrude a little :b .......although i do sometimes miss the power of a litre plus bike ?..i do find my foxeye realy good for a 600!...far the bestof any 6 ive  either owned or ridden!!!...i dont tour no more so its good enuf for me!!...dont yet know what ime going to do with the thou?....end of day its all down to money?....ile leave it now for a winter project,give me time to sort some good parts out! at winter prices!!....but promised myself next year my nortons coming out the closet??? ;) ...

 
my 600 has been fantastic in the 10 years ive owned it....never let me down and always puts a smile on my face....future classic me thinks..its going to be a sad day when i sell the old girl  :\ ...a bit mad when riding it on the limit which is why i like the thou,very stable, relaxed and quicker  :D
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: goose710 on 18 June 2012, 02:11:28 PM
hi red98 no never got the time for a good test ride yesterday,i did notice on sat 5mile ride thou ,that wen turning on the ignition the old fuelpump only pulsed once ,when i changed it for the replacement pump it pulses alot more times,havent done the test you did thou.Back in feb i paid the local garage avsco to balance the carbs as i havent got a set of gauges,he said he cldnt get number 3 carb screw to move so balanced the rest of them to that carb,100 pound lay out and it wasnt any better.Now on sat when i changed the pump and coils ,i had a good look and i cld turn no3 carb screw ,i suspect that they never touched em ,and certainlly looked like they hadnt been touched.i did check me diaphrams as i know even a pin hole can affect them,but usally if they gone it wont rev over 7thou.While at avsco he said that althou the inlet rubbers were cracked he said they werent leaking,which i found out sat that no1 and no 4 are leaking so for now silconed em up :D ordered a set frm MnP cheapest i cld find at £63 ,so for now running ok altou think i will up the jet sizes to accomadate the devilic pipe.So fngrs x fazer back on the streets of watford :b
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: goose710 on 18 June 2012, 05:33:19 PM
hi again guys n dolls.Just took the fazer out for a good 30mile trip,stopped off at a m8s in hemel .The bike rode ok still a bit stuttery at 6/7 thou in 4th 5th n 6th gear.Whilst at m8s he went on the yamaha owners site,a chap  had put a post up with the same problem,he was running a devilic pipe aswell.He states he solved it by changing the main jets dwn frm 115 to 100?,and now he claims runs ok,i thought youd have to go up a size like 120 etc,what jet size did ade change to.I popped to moores of apsley and bought 4 new 115 jets 4 120 and 4 100 as they only £1.80 each ,thought id try the 120s 1st and see frm there ,il let yous all know at week end how it goes :rolleyes goose
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 18 June 2012, 09:04:08 PM
iam with you on that...115 is standard and i would have thought best to go up...worth a try as cheap to buy...as for balancing the carbs sounds like you were ripped off there mate  :o ...worth the hassle of doing it yourself as you will see an instant improvement...i have some more information from CRH regarding hg levels when balancing carbs that iam going to try will let you know the outcome....GHOST RIDER has posted an excellent guide on balancing carbs well worth reading ...defo worth investing in some gauges...thats a good deal on the rubbers think i paid £75 for mine  :\
 
 i work in hemel on fridays but not heard of moores...are they yam dealer ?
 
dont forget to keep us updated  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: goose710 on 18 June 2012, 09:45:08 PM
hi yeah moores been there over 30yrs i think its apsley rd ,by apsley station and the lock.im hoping to do the jets sat fngrs x it aint raining ,il keep you posted ,do you know what jet size ade used?goose
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 18 June 2012, 10:13:59 PM
hi yeah moores been there over 30yrs i think its apsley rd ,by apsley station and the lock.im hoping to do the jets sat fngrs x it aint raining ,il keep you posted ,do you know what jet size ade used?goose
hello mate.........went from 115 to 120 ( they go up in 2.5 increments i do believe ) so moved up 2 sizes, not 1 as i think i stated in a previous post. good luck. keep us informed. ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 19 June 2012, 06:20:45 AM
hi yeah moores been there over 30yrs i think its apsley rd ,by apsley station and the lock.im hoping to do the jets sat fngrs x it aint raining ,il keep you posted ,do you know what jet size ade used?goose

 
thats just around the corner.....i`ll check them out on friday....cheers matey  :)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 29 June 2012, 10:22:21 PM
ok....time to kick myself up the backside and get this stutter sorted.....working in the morning but planning to go to FWR in kennington to get the tyres tommorow afternoon,i`ve removed the wheels and will take them with me and see if they can fit on the day.....i`ve been using the thou but i do miss the 600........bl**dy good bike  ;) 
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 29 June 2012, 10:38:29 PM
about time has well? :rolleyes .....already been asked if you,d sorted it ? ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 30 June 2012, 05:43:26 PM
rushed around this morning and finished work at 12....phoned fwr and hes just about to shut  :'( ....working in london on monday so will take the wheels with me and try to find the time and get the tyres fitted  ;) 
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 30 June 2012, 10:43:35 PM
bet you cant wait to get it sorted can you?...i just hope one of those ideas work for you?....i was seriously thinking of selling me foxeye and putting some of the money t,ward getting the thou fixed up?...but with it being a one owner and only 6k on clock, and in mint cond! had second thoughts?....i would miss it to much!!!....i picked up a front wheel ,discs, tyre, for thou last wk, £75.00, ...so bit by bit ile soon have everything to rebuild it!!... :rolleyes
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 01 July 2012, 08:46:09 AM
same as you matey....if i sold the 600 i would deffo miss it  :'( ....one to keep me thinks  :D ....iam using the thou to get to work and back....5 miles across town all stop/start filtering etc,the 600 was very good at this  :) ,the thou a bit heavy :\ ,which is probably why iam missing it,pulled up next to identical thou in town yesterday,got chatting,as you do,guy has some standard bars somewhere and will sort them out for me,top man,as well as the bars being too wide iam not happy with the grips,heated grips and not very "grippy"  :rolleyes  also i think the diameter is a lot bigger,on a rough/potholed road (all of them  :\ ) iam loosing/slipping my grip  :\  ,not changed the can yet.....
 well done on that parts haul CRH and a great price .dont forget to keep us updated  :)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: darrsi on 01 July 2012, 09:34:02 AM
Sorry, what was the question?  :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 03 July 2012, 08:10:05 PM
nice one DARRSI  :rollin :rollin ....
 
progress at last..............ive bought the tyres  :D :D :D :D ...well just the rear one as i think i can get a few more miles out of the front one....mot next and then back to the stutter  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 05 August 2012, 03:42:19 PM
ok i know its been a while :o .........been enjoying myself on my thou  :D .......thoughts now back with my 600,iam on holiday now for another week so going to try and get the 600 mot`ed tommorow and also give the old girl a good run to remind myself of the problem.....got loads of possible solutions from CRH that i need to try out and i now have the time to do it  :) ....will up date with any progress and add a few pictures o make it a bit more interesting  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: darrsi on 05 August 2012, 05:44:57 PM
I had a stutter on mine after a bit of work and it was caused by the 2nd inlet rubber in that had folded in on itself when being reassembled, so you couldn't even see it until eventually i had it into a different shop and they spotted it when taking the carbs off.  :rolleyes
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 05 August 2012, 09:15:39 PM
I had a stutter on mine after a bit of work and it was caused by the 2nd inlet rubber in that had folded in on itself when being reassembled, so you couldn't even see it until eventually i had it into a different shop and they spotted it when taking the carbs off.  :rolleyes


thats interesting.....was`nt planning to take the carbs off again but it might come to that.......cheers matey
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 06 August 2012, 01:00:53 PM
bike booked in for MOT at 3.00pm today.....just given it a quick check over and noticed i need a new side light bulb,will get that on way to mot.....will post outcome later  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: markbubble on 06 August 2012, 07:15:20 PM
if the ht lead is damaged or needs replacing it can be done with sealed coils by getting a lead jointer,its much cheaper than getting new coils !
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 06 August 2012, 08:56:50 PM
if the ht lead is damaged or needs replacing it can be done with sealed coils by getting a lead jointer,its much cheaper than getting new coils !


yes i was aware of that.used a lot on moto-x bikes me thinks.....but mostly likely to fail on the joint between the two items,the one you cant get to  :rolleyes ..........good tip though  :D
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 06 August 2012, 09:04:53 PM
good news...passed the mot today with two near misses.....front tyre (which i new about) and worn chain which is a bit of a shame as only half way on the adjusters
 a fair mot man that ive not used before but known for a few years.......PGB MOTORCYCLES LTD based in high wycombe bucks....will be using him again.
 quizzed him about the stutter and told him everything ive done....he suggested changing the generator as the only thing i hav`nt touched in the sparks dept...........anyone had any troubles with there geni ?  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: darrsi on 07 August 2012, 12:51:59 AM
It'll pass the MOT without solving your problem, 'cos it's not really part of the process.

Have a quick butchers at the inlet rubbers anyway, 'cos from what you said if the previous ones were split, then you replaced it/them, but possibly had my issue with them not being seated properly, then you would have exactly the same symptoms.
Bloody unlucky, but shite happens!
Just a thought, but worth proving me wrong anyway....... and everyone loves proving me wrong  :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 07 August 2012, 07:53:07 AM
good news...passed the mot today with two near misses.....front tyre (which i new about) and worn chain which is a bit of a shame as only half way on the adjusters
 a fair mot man that ive not used before but known for a few years.......PGB MOTORCYCLES LTD based in high wycombe bucks....will be using him again.
 quizzed him about the stutter and told him everything ive done....he suggested changing the generator as the only thing i hav`nt touched in the sparks dept...........anyone had any troubles with there geni ?  ;)
........think you fishing to deep now red?.....still think its on the fuely side!!....try the ideas whats been suggested first mate?? ;) ...then look further if u need too??.....besides that?.......cant have ...ATB" getting one over on me!! never live that one down :'( .......that darrsi mite be on the right track too??,,,,after all he cant be wrong all the time!!...can he?????....soz darss couldnt resist that :b
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 07 August 2012, 08:37:50 AM
It'll pass the MOT without solving your problem, 'cos it's not really part of the process.

Have a quick butchers at the inlet rubbers anyway, 'cos from what you said if the previous ones were split, then you replaced it/them, but possibly had my issue with them not being seated properly, then you would have exactly the same symptoms.
Bloody unlucky, but shite happens!
Just a thought, but worth proving me wrong anyway....... and everyone loves proving me wrong  :lol

hi darrsi......i needed to mot it so i could test ride the bike....starting the bike on the centre stand and revving it.ie not under load,you cant see/hear the stutter....as you know ive had the carbs off a number of times now and although its a bit tight getting them on and off i took my time and gently eased them in.....ive got a few more things to check and if that fails i`ll be back to the carbs again.......thanks for your input matey  :) 
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 07 August 2012, 08:41:38 AM
good news...passed the mot today with two near misses.....front tyre (which i new about) and worn chain which is a bit of a shame as only half way on the adjusters
 a fair mot man that ive not used before but known for a few years.......PGB MOTORCYCLES LTD based in high wycombe bucks....will be using him again.
 quizzed him about the stutter and told him everything ive done....he suggested changing the generator as the only thing i hav`nt touched in the sparks dept...........anyone had any troubles with there geni ?  ;)
........think you fishing to deep now red?.....still think its on the fuely side!!....try the ideas whats been suggested first mate?? ;) ...then look further if u need too??.....besides that?.......cant have ...ATB" getting one over on me!! never live that one down :'( .......that darrsi mite be on the right track too??,,,,after all he cant be wrong all the time!!...can he?????....soz darss couldnt resist that :b

 
morning CRH...going to try your suggestions,now the bikes mot`ed i can test ride......spending some time on the thou today but will be back on the 600 tommorow.....off shopping for some new tools this morning .....yipeeeeeeeee :D :D :D
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: darrsi on 07 August 2012, 09:00:15 AM
CRH you're a harsh man.......  :lol
The worst thing for me was that i took my bike back about 4 times over a couple of weeks, and had 3 mechanics test ride it but they all refused to acknowledge there was any problem, yet whenever i tried overtaking anyone my bike sounded like a chronic asthmatic on 40 fags a day, and seeing as i'm on the bike nearly every day you can imagine i was getting a tad pee'd off 'cos i know every tiny sound that's out of place with it!
Took it to a tune up place in the end and as i asked for a carb overhaul he spotted it rather quickly and brought in the offending inlet rubber to show me. It was literally folded in half on one side, and had then been done up.
I appreciate people make innocent mistakes, but i would've at least expected them to feel and hear it when riding it, bearing in mind one of them races bikes.  :rolleyes
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 07 August 2012, 09:32:16 AM
your right darss?...it does piss you off when you know there,s a fault..then to be looked upon as if your a plank!!..think half the time they either cant be arsed or they just dont feel there,s enough money in it for them to sort your probs?...i personaly dont bother with them!! if it does take me extra time to sort sumat out ? so be it!!...i defo wont be paying there hourly rates!! :rolleyes ....been into bikes since i was 14 and now 57....bet ive f,got more than some of them know now?..... :lol ......
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: bootz76 on 07 August 2012, 10:22:28 AM
upon taking my tank up to get resrayed i tried to drain the fuel out about a gallon,however switching the tap to on fuel ran freely for about a minute then stopped switching between off and on and fuel would flow for a while and stop again.it would flow for various amounts off time before stopping.now my fazer has had an intermitant missfire for a while now so im thinking me taps fooked wemoto do a tap repair kit for £14 or a complete new one from yamaha is £25 think im gonna splash out for a new one.no crap in filter but gonna check inside tank when i take old tap off. just another thing for red to check :\ :\
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 07 August 2012, 05:19:29 PM
upon taking my tank up to get resrayed i tried to drain the fuel out about a gallon,however switching the tap to on fuel ran freely for about a minute then stopped switching between off and on and fuel would flow for a while and stop again.it would flow for various amounts off time before stopping.now my fazer has had an intermitant missfire for a while now so im thinking me taps fooked wemoto do a tap repair kit for £14 or a complete new one from yamaha is £25 think im gonna splash out for a new one.no crap in filter but gonna check inside tank when i take old tap off. just another thing for red to check :\ :\

 
cheers bootz76......already done that but dont think i posted it......as well as taking the tap off remove the fuel gauge sender unit as well....you can see a bit more and it makes it easier to flush out  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 12 August 2012, 03:06:52 PM
at last back on my 600 fazer problem.....CRH has helped me out with a long list of possible solutions after quizing a mechanic friend....so my thanks go to both of you  :D ......top of the list....BENT VALVE.....so ive done another compression test
 
                                                             cylinder 1...................140 psi
                                                             cylinder 2.....................85 psi
                                                             cylinder 3.....................61 psi
                                                             cylinder 4...................143 psi


these are average figures as i did the test four times,should be about 160/170 psi ,with 40,000 miles on the clock i was not expecting top pressure, within 10% and i would of been happy,the low readings on cyl 2 + 3 has got me thinking  :eek


i then disconnected the plug caps in turn to see what these figures mead in real terms....


                                 disconnect plug lead no 1...............little bit flat but idles
                                 disconnect plug lead no 2...............flat but wont idle
                                 disconnect plug lead no 3...............little bit flat but idles
                                 disconnect plug lead no 4...............little bit flat but idles
                                 disconnect plug leads 2 + 3............flat but just about idles
                                 disconnect plug leads 1 +4.............wont start


so iam now thinking HEAD GASKET blown between cylinders 2 and 3  ;)  the bike runs fine between 4/8000rpm so parhaps the pressure of the 2 cylinders is masking the damaged gasket at mid range but at higher rpm the pressure is too great and the stutter returns  ;) ;) ......sounds a bit mad...but could be  :D
[size=78%]   i might take the head off and have a look,i can check the valves at the same time and regrind the seats to make it worth while [/size]
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 12 August 2012, 03:22:42 PM
ile do same chk on mine in morning and see what i get red??......but bare in mind mines only done just over 6000miles!! be intresting wont it?  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 12 August 2012, 03:30:31 PM
yes that would be interesting  :D  thank you........no outward signs of head gasket damage , oil leaks or using coolant etc and inside of filler cap is clean....going to search internet and see how much a gasket is before i go ahead  ;)
 could also try the SQUIRT OF OIL TRICK in the bores and then retest,if its ring wear the oil will  seal the rings and improve the readings confirming either gasket or valves  :D
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 12 August 2012, 03:35:53 PM
think ule find wemoto best for h/g mate!! ime sure fella cross road from me tried every where and ended up getting off them!!....think he said 60 t 70 notes at yam!! but that bt 3yr ago? :rolleyes
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 12 August 2012, 07:42:55 PM
had a chat earlier with chap cross road!....and he,s sure he only paid £35...for his head gasket ?......he also says it was exactly half the price of a yam one red??....and it defo was ....wemoto!!!!!!!!!! ;) .....also had word with the "man" and he says he will be surprised  if its the rings?....but wont be surprised if you find a couple of either bent or burnt exhaust valves!!!!!!!!!! also asked when did you last chk your valve clearances ? :rolleyes
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 12 August 2012, 08:19:26 PM
had a chat earlier with chap cross road!....and he,s sure he only paid £35...for his head gasket ?......he also says it was exactly half the price of a yam one red??....and it defo was ....wemoto!!!!!!!!!! ;) .....also had word with the "man" and he says he will be surprised  if its the rings?....but wont be surprised if you find a couple of either bent or burnt exhaust valves!!!!!!!!!! also asked when did you last chk your valve clearances ? :rolleyes


hi matey,thanks for that,looked at BITZ FOR BIKES they stock 2 for a 98 model at £30 delivered,ive emailed them to see which one i need,if they cant help i`ll use wemoto...used both before and got excellent service
 i too will be surprised if its the rings as its never used a drop of oil in ten years ownership
 as you already know checked valve clearences at the start of this post,just within tollerences,if i end up taking the head off i will do them at the same time......as ever thanks for your input  :D
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 13 August 2012, 11:11:33 AM
......i did that compression test on my 6000 mile foxeye and the results are as follow;....cylinder 1...166....cyl 4....162....cyl 3...160 cyl...4...158....and that was taken as average over 4 tests!!!!!!!!!!!!.....also mine will start and run using any combination you tried in regards to removing ht leads to try diff cyls!!....on any 2 cyls !!.....hope this helps clive!
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 13 August 2012, 01:14:00 PM
hi crh....thanks for going to the trouble of doing the compression test :D .....some excellent results there confirming the low mileage....i`ve made up my mind and iam going to take the head off....hoping that i will find a bent valve or blown gasket  ;)  will post some pic when i do..
 iam having trouble posting pics at the moment,is it just me ?
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 13 August 2012, 09:27:04 PM
more progress tonight...ive started to strip the bike in readyness to remove the head,items removed.......
   
                                                         seat
                                                         tank
                                                         carbs
                                                         coolant
                                                         various hoses
                                                         coil + fuel pump mounting bar
                                                         exhaust and down tubes


next step is to remove the cam cover, slacken the head bolts and remove/disconnect the cam chain....oh and align the timing marks.............its a while since i`ve stripped a bike enging so will flick through the haynes manual to see how to remove cam chain and refresh my memory on timing marks......time taken so far....2 hours  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 13 August 2012, 09:29:52 PM
nice one!! ;) .. :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin ....only 22 to go?
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 13 August 2012, 09:40:15 PM
nice one!! ;) .. :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin ....only 22 to go?






nice one  :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 14 August 2012, 09:21:35 PM
good evening my stuttering followers.......bit more progress on the bike tonight.......removed the alternator cover to gain access to timing mark on flywheel,removed cam cover and cam chain adjuster,positioned the timing mark on flywheel inline with join on engine casings and dot marks on cam ends with dots on cam carrier/head,also removed both chain guides ,had to remove the rad to get the front one out,does not mention that in the haynes manual  :rolleyes  also marked the chain and cam sprocket with tippex to aid reassembly. ;)
no wear found on any components except a bit of discolouring on the cam,to be expected on a bike with 40,000 miles on the clock  :D
 next step is to unbolt the cam housings and lift out the cams and followers.....stay tuned for the next gripping episode of
                                                               
                                                                      REDS STUTTERING FAZER


only 1 1/2 hours tonight,so 3 1/2 so far...........CRH,do you know something i dont  ;) [size=78%] [/size]
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 14 August 2012, 09:29:21 PM
 :rolleyes ......Only......20 1/2...to go now then?,,,,soooooooon be done!!!!!!!!!!!! :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 14 August 2012, 09:41:19 PM
yes getting there...all being well i will have the cams out tomorrow,lots of warnings in the haynes manual about breaking cams  :eek if not releasing the bolts in correct order,from what i can see none of the valve springs are compressed when engine at tdc so not expecting any pressure on the cams.however i will of course slacken the bolts in the correct manner though ,as you do  :D     
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 14 August 2012, 09:52:59 PM
i did a hybusa engine with a mate of mine last year!!....we completely stripped and rebuilt it!!...took just over 2days and to our shock and horror!!!.... ;) ...it ran as sweet as a  fazer on steroids!!!....how the fk we managed it ..i dont know??....but 9k later and its still running sweet!! so must have done sumat right!! :rolleyes
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 14 August 2012, 10:38:56 PM
one thing i will suggest red!! keep everything meticulous plenty of soft cotton rags etc!!...and dont rush!!...we double checked everything as we went along!!....good luck with it anyway!!....ps...wheres the blade gone???????? :eek .....you dont think he,s hung up the helmet do you????.....or.........has he gone and ditched his ..vera"..and bought a fazer  for himself as the envy of his ladies" ride as got to much for him??????....... :'(
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 15 August 2012, 06:57:17 AM
one thing i will suggest red!! keep everything meticulous plenty of soft cotton rags etc!!...and dont rush!!...we double checked everything as we went along!!....good luck with it anyway!!....ps...wheres the blade gone???????? :eek .....you dont think he,s hung up the helmet do you????.....or.........has he gone and ditched his ..vera"..and bought a fazer  for himself as the envy of his ladies" ride as got to much for him??????....... :'(




yes crh....had a good clear up in the garage before i started.....all bolts removed are back where they belong ,just loose,all components cleaned and laid out on the bench in the order that they came off ,this sort of work is old hat to me,many a classic jap bike engine rebuild under my belt....all those electrical tests i did at the start of this post is all cloak and daggers to me,give my oily chunks of metal any day,you can see whats happening and more importantly see whats going wrong,
   :D  looking forward to lifting the head and having a good poke around  ;)
yes ade has gone quite.....feeling left out no doubt as has inferior bike....he will see the light one day  :)

Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 15 August 2012, 09:28:34 PM
evening my stuttering stablemates........this you wont believe.............IVE MADE MORE PROGRESS ON THE FAZER  :eek .......cams out tonight along with followers and shims......un-bolted the head and lifted off.........head came off real easy (too easy me thinks) as did the gasket  :rolleyes ...no sign of a blown gasket and the valves look as if they are seating well  ;)  i turned the head upsidedown fitted some old plugs and filled the combustion chambers with petrol then went inside for a cuppa....went back and checked 10mins later and cyl 1,2,3 had lost 25% no4 not lost any. ;)
 so iam thinking headgasket, as came off far to easy and the black coating (not sure what it is) on the gasket is comming away also valves need grinding in  :) .......not sure if this will solve the stutter though  :\
 i have a couple of valve compression tools that ive used on car cylinder heads in the past but not sure if they will fit the fazer  ;)     any foccers remover thier valves before ?  :) [size=78%] [/size]
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 15 August 2012, 10:22:21 PM
ah ....forgot to mention time taken.....2 1/2 hours tonight......which i think makes 6  hrs in total  ;)
 where`s the official foc-u time keeper when you need him  :rolleyes


[size=78%] next step is too take the valves out and re-grind them back in,and also check for any damage and that they are not bent....if my valve spring compressor fits...that will take a while as will do all 16...this will hopfully restore compression back to near standard pressure [/size] ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Dead Eye on 15 August 2012, 10:27:01 PM
Amazing dedication to your 600 here red. I love mechanics like this but lack of experience (and thankfully problems) stops me :P Though I apparently have a gearbox to change on my cage... so that should keep me occupied.

Keep up the work, I'm still following ^^
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 15 August 2012, 10:30:27 PM
soz red fell asleep!!!!!.....you done good today matey?? :) .......have you chkd head between pots for hairline cracks etc?
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 15 August 2012, 10:36:37 PM
Amazing dedication to your 600 here red. I love mechanics like this but lack of experience (and thankfully problems) stops me :P Though I apparently have a gearbox to change on my cage... so that should keep me occupied.

Keep up the work, I'm still following ^^


thanks deadeye.....ive had the 600 for 10 years now,so sort of got attached to it,been a fantastic bike,probs not worth a great deal now so might as well hang on to it
 good luck with the cage gear box...easy enough to do,is it fwd ?  :D
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 15 August 2012, 10:42:46 PM
soz red fell asleep!!!!!.....you done good today matey?? :) .......have you chkd head between pots for hairline cracks etc?


hi matey.....not checked the head yet,will need a good clean first and scrape off whats left of the old gasket.will remove all valves and check that they are all good before i order the gasket,then if i need any new ones i can order at the same time.
 plenty to keep me busy in the mean time as will grind in the valves the old fashion way.....grinding paste and sucker on a stick  ;) .......proper mechanics  :D
 
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 15 August 2012, 10:48:30 PM
looks to me by the look of that gasket that the head wasn,t torqued down very well??....saw this black shit before on a cavalier i did and to me it looked like carbon!!....and that wasnt torqued right either??
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 15 August 2012, 11:10:21 PM
and yes!!..the best way to grind the valves!!....dont f,get to chk the valve gides either?..but then again?..it didnt smoke did it?...still think its the valves though?..although that head gasket looks sus dont it??....anyway? not long to go?..what is it now?..6hours?..only 18 to go?? :\ ......ps you are allowed a tea break you know? :rollin
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 16 August 2012, 02:52:53 PM
i think it might be a mixture of the two.the gasket is defo not right and it came off way to easy,dont think the black stuff is carbon,it feels a bit rubbery so think its some sort of coating on the std yam gasket ,the replacement ones i`ve seen look to be copper,head was torqued down correctly  :)
 as for the valves,iam going to try my valve spring compression tool tonight,not sure if it will fit at mo.
i`ll know more when i get the valves out  ;)
 as a little treat to myself i bought a new torque wrench today as old one not to be trusted any more,got myself some new hex drive sockets aswell ,my old omes were only just long enough to remove the head bolts  :)  new ones a bit longer....bought at MACHINE MART in tower hamlets.....my favorite shop  :) :) :)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 16 August 2012, 05:41:58 PM
never seen that on any head gasket before?....thats why i thought it may be carbon?....by the way? we used a car compressor type when doing the busa!! with a bit of a jiggle it fit?? ;) .....got fkn problem meself now?....when i put igy on" all the lights flash on clocks when i put headlights on and flick to main beam!!!!!!!!!! :\ ......i fkn hate electrics :'(
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 16 August 2012, 08:22:05 PM
never seen that on any head gasket before?....thats why i thought it may be carbon?....by the way? we used a car compressor type when doing the busa!! with a bit of a jiggle it fit?? ;) .....got fkn problem meself now?....when i put igy on" all the lights flash on clocks when i put headlights on and flick to main beam!!!!!!!!!! :\ ......i fkn hate electrics :'(


hi matey....wish i could help you with that,as i`ve already said not too go at electrics......try the usual suspects first earths,connections and battery.....if you have not tried that already
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 16 August 2012, 08:33:34 PM
yea had a quick look earlier! couldnt see owt amiss so time for strip down number 2!....thought after last time with neutral switch prob, that would be it for a while?...am like you?..big lumpy metal bits over yards a wiring anytime!!...brings back memories of a gl1000 gold wing i bought in 1975!...fantastic bike!...appart from always in bike shop with lecy probs!!! :\ ......think ile post it and see what i get bk?? :rolleyes .....did you whip valves out?
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 16 August 2012, 08:54:57 PM
evening my automotive playmates........cleaned the head up tonight,no signs of damage  :D  also found my valve spring compressors...for cars really and are both too big  :\ ...think i can modify the one on the right though,this ones for ohv engines the other for ohc.....iam going to cut a length of 16mm od tube and cut a slot in it length ways , this will fit in the top jaws of the clamp and reduce the diameter, the slot is so i can remove the collets ;) i will also need a 20mm spacer to fit on the valve face for the same reason.
 only 1/2 hr tonight as long day at work.......6 1/2 so far  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 16 August 2012, 09:04:03 PM
having trouble uploading pictures tonight , will try again tomorrow......2 pictures of the cleaned head and one of the spring compressors  :)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 16 August 2012, 09:10:46 PM
only 1/2 hour?.....has she got you doing fkn housework again?.....tut tut tut :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin oh f,got...only ........17 1/2 to go!!!!!!!!!!! :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 16 August 2012, 09:20:25 PM
no not housework  :rollin .......11 hr day at work,work  :\
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 16 August 2012, 09:59:22 PM
evening all.........yes i`ve been here on and off keeping up to date with the major surgery thats in progress :lol  only question i have is, why when you filled up the comb / chambers with fuel that partly leaked out after a short while, did you instantly suspect the head gasket? reason i ask is............if the valves are all nicely seated ( closed) and the `crush` washer on the plugs are in good shape, then for all intent and purposes that chamber should be water / fuel tight. am i correct? if `fluid` is leaking somehow, then its seeping past a valve or dicky plug washer...........so where does the head gasket come into all this? bear in mind the head has been upside-down during this test? still sticking with fuelly / carbs issue........sowwy ! :rolleyes
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 16 August 2012, 10:02:13 PM
you took the words out me mouth ade!!!!! :rolleyes ......i was just thinking the same??.....ps nice to have you bk mate :b ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 16 August 2012, 10:11:25 PM
creeping barsteward :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin . hope ya well clive mate ;)  sticking with carbs , but i reckon any compression probs point to leaking plugs (s) or valve seatings. sorry, my money aint on the gasket, whatever its condition.........but hey what do i know...........i`m just a weekend crossdresser that likes to talk to hunky fellas of a weeknight :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 16 August 2012, 10:17:03 PM
ya not bad urself mate!! :b ......anyway?....ime going with valves!!....that compresion test says it all i think??  :rolleyes ps you got decent pair a high heels i can borra? :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 16 August 2012, 10:25:43 PM
gotta cracking pair of cerise sling backs if they`ll fit matey........................oh they`re size 16!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin be warned, they are a real bitch to run in.......don`t ask ! and yes, valves do sound a bit suspect but not for stuttering........more along the lines of poor power performance and ba$tard starting issues perhaps, i don`t know.............and i`m tired. busy day again today :'(
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 16 August 2012, 10:35:12 PM
yuk!! not pink mate?..what the fk do you think i am? :\ ......tried sling backs before?....chaff me a bit?....but hey?..hang on to em?...red will be along shortly?? :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 16 August 2012, 10:37:34 PM
yeah, word on da street is he`s well into peep-toe 6 inchers (heels that is pervy) :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 17 August 2012, 06:55:32 AM
yes ade your right  ;) ...the petrol test was to see if the valves were gas tight due to low compression ,and yes right again about seeping past the plug......re-grinding the valves is going to help my compression and i still think the head gasket is not helping things stutter wise  :\ .....i like you am not 100% sure this will solve my origanal problem but its going to help  :) .......good to have you back matey  :D
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 17 August 2012, 06:55:56 AM
picture 1
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 17 August 2012, 09:13:54 AM
picture 1 what ? ........a scantily-clad young maiden drizzling warm honey down all over your .........................Ahem, sorry drifted away there :lol :lol :lol :lol  picture 1 what mate ? :rolleyes
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 17 August 2012, 09:45:17 AM
yuk!! not pink mate?..what the fk do you think i am? :\ ......tried sling backs before?....chaff me a bit?....but hey?..hang on to em?...red will be along shortly?? :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b

ah.....think i can make use of the sling backs.......slice the tops off and graft the heels  on to the tops of my frank thomas touring boots.......go down a storm on ladies day at the ACE  :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 17 August 2012, 09:49:52 AM
picture 1 what ? ........a scantily-clad young maiden drizzling warm honey down all over your .........................Ahem, sorry drifted away there :lol :lol :lol :lol  picture 1 what mate ? :rolleyes

HAVING TROUBLE WITH PICTURES LATELY ......HAD TWO PICTURES OF THE CLEANED HEAD AND ONE OF THE COMPRESSION TOOLS.....WONT DOWNLOAD FOR SOME REASON,WILL TRY LATER  ;)
 TELL US MORE ABOUT THE DRIZZLING HONEY.......MMMMMMMMMMMM
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 17 August 2012, 11:27:53 AM
HONEY!!!!! :eek >>>>>>>>>>ADE MATE TELL ME MORE?????????????????? :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 17 August 2012, 11:36:13 AM
you can tell THE BLADE IS BACK.......feeling a bit peckish now  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 17 August 2012, 11:40:32 AM
ive cut a couple of lenghts of 16mm od steel tubing to reduce the size of my compression tool.ive also cut a slot length ways so i can remove the collets....ive cut about a quarter out as dont want to weaken the tube too much....its going to be a struggle getting the collets out through such a small opening but i`ll give it a go  :D
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 17 August 2012, 11:45:23 AM
you can tell THE BLADE IS BACK.......feeling a bit peckish now  ;)
................yes!! trouble is now red?...we got to watch he dont ...lure...us over to the DARK SIDE!!....cant be making mistakes on your ride" at this stage mate?? :\ ......between us mate?..i do think ...help"..is available for the old fella...but to be fair ?  thats not our shout  :rolleyes .....
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 17 August 2012, 11:52:35 AM
you can tell THE BLADE IS BACK.......feeling a bit peckish now  ;)
................yes!! trouble is now red?...we got to watch he dont ...lure...us over to the DARK SIDE!!....cant be making mistakes on your ride" at this stage mate?? :\ ......between us mate?..i do think ...help"..is available for the old fella...but to be fair ?  thats not our shout  :rolleyes .....

yes ....know what you mean mate.....that was too close for comfort last time,we were very lucky then....as regards the "help". the old fella has got to admit to ths problems before anybody can help him  :\ :\
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 17 August 2012, 11:54:55 AM
hmmmmmmm........the force is strong with these two ! :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 17 August 2012, 11:55:53 AM
ive cut a couple of lenghts of 16mm od steel tubing to reduce the size of my compression tool.ive also cut a slot length ways so i can remove the collets....ive cut about a quarter out as dont want to weaken the tube too much....its going to be a struggle getting the collets out through such a small opening but i`ll give it a go  :D
..............if i remember right?....we did similar but used a trolley jack handle!!!  ...the slot that lowers the jack was spot on for coletts  ;)  and the diameter was roughly 16mm on that?
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 17 August 2012, 11:59:33 AM
oh yeah.............i remember now Clive. ya right! :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 17 August 2012, 07:00:32 PM
ok.....night off tonight......got some spare ribs on the go and some of ben and jerrys finest chilling in da freezer..........working tomorrow but might have a bit of spare time to spend on the fazer  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 17 August 2012, 07:15:11 PM
red mate?...dont borrow them sling backs off the blade!!...once you in his pocket you wont get out!!i think he may be recruiting for some sicko star wars cult thing he got going??????
hmmmmmmm........the force is strong with these two ! :lol
..............he ,s been making all sorts of innuendos t,ward me!! :\ ....and now wants to be my bitch!!! 8) 
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 17 August 2012, 07:51:23 PM
red mate?...dont borrow them sling backs off the blade!!...once you in his pocket you wont get out!!i think he may be recruiting for some sicko star wars cult thing he got going??????
hmmmmmmm........the force is strong with these two ! :lol
..............he ,s been making all sorts of innuendos t,ward me!! :\ ....and now wants to be my bitch!!! 8)




yea....noticed that on your leccy post.....all he has to do is wave his wand and fix your bike and hes got you in his pocket......now hes gone chicken  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 17 August 2012, 08:13:53 PM
well?...lets hope he stays that way!!!..... :rolleyes ......ime a married slave!!....
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 18 August 2012, 12:05:56 AM
fool !
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 18 August 2012, 08:11:28 PM
no time for the fazer today.....got a small job to do at work tomorrow so should have time to try my modified compressor tool  ;) ......looked at machine mart catalog and they do the right tool for £23 so it might be a ride out on the thou  ;) 
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 18 August 2012, 09:44:58 PM
gave myself a kick up the back side and got out to the garage......my adapted tool did`nt work as i only have one pair of hands  :rolleyes ......so looked at the other one....with slight adjustments with an angle grinder and closing the jaws up in the vice i was able to get one of the valves out  :D ......also tried to get it back in again aswell.....very fiddly with the collets and my fat fingers and the lighting is not too good in the garage but i did manage it  ;)
 so will see if i can regrind all the valves on one cylinder tomorrow......fingers crossed  :)
Title: Re: Stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 19 August 2012, 01:21:56 PM
Afternoon fazer fettling fanatics......nice day so set up bench in garden and removed all 16 valves  :D ...No horror stories, but I can see why compression was low, all valves are going to need regrinding, cyl 2+3 worse than 1+4 which backs up my compression test figures.
 Another 90 mins to add to the time taken, not sure what I am up to now.  :\
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 19 August 2012, 09:13:06 PM
bit more progress.ive re-ground all the valves on no1 cylinder and re-fitted them  :D  cleaned up well with no pitting  ;) ............just another 12 to go  :\ ..........another 2 hours to add to the total  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 19 August 2012, 09:48:05 PM
bit more progress.ive re-ground all the valves on no1 cylinder and re-fitted them  :D  cleaned up well with no pitting  ;) ............just another 12 to go  :\ ..........another 2 hours to add to the total  ;)
.........hi, red, you done good? ;) ....you have 14hours left in the kitty!!.....glad you progressing anyway?....got mine in a million bits at mo!!..fkn wiring everywhere?.....dont ask?..... :rolleyes ......
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 20 August 2012, 06:42:54 AM
oh.....only 14 hours left  :\ .....wont ask about your problem then.......................................................................................
...oh.hows the sparks on your bike  :D
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 21 August 2012, 09:24:49 PM
busy at work again now,so not much more done,managed to get out in the garage tonight for an hour and re-ground another 4 valves and re-fitted them  :D ....... getting boring now  :\ ........ah well only another 8 to go ;)
 going to try and do another 4 tomorrow and also measure the shims so i can order them at the same time as ordering the gasket,sounds like a good plan  8) [size=78%] [/size]
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 21 August 2012, 09:33:57 PM
you didnt say what condition the valve guides where in?......someone on ebay sellin a assortment of shims?..worth a look? ;) ..sorted mine!! chk post!
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 22 August 2012, 06:54:52 AM
hi clive......valve guides all good.no damage to valves nice and straight,all looks very clean in there and i think first time the heads been off.....grinding of the valves is boring but rewarding..i have a nice matt grey ring on both the valve seat and valve.no pitting what so ever  :D
 will take a look at your leccy post later.......well done matey  :D
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 22 August 2012, 10:17:27 AM
hi clive......valve guides all good.no damage to valves nice and straight,all looks very clean in there and i think first time the heads been off.....grinding of the valves is boring but rewarding..i have a nice matt grey ring on both the valve seat and valve.no pitting what so ever  :D
 will take a look at your leccy post later.......well done matey  :D
gud jawb Red...........go get em valve boy !!! ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) dont bother with clives post matey.....bored the crap right out ov me. :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin only kidding darling ! mwah x
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 22 August 2012, 10:59:26 AM
i do like this sort of work......but at the back of my mind....i dont think it will solve the stutter  :\ ....but it will make it run better/smoother  :D ....did find myself looking at another set of carbs last night  :eek
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 22 August 2012, 07:42:32 PM
i do like this sort of work......but at the back of my mind....i dont think it will solve the stutter  :\ ....but it will make it run better/smoother  :D ....did find myself looking at another set of carbs last night  :eek
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Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 22 August 2012, 09:34:18 PM
i do like this sort of work......but at the back of my mind....i dont think it will solve the stutter  :\ ....but it will make it run better/smoother  :D ....did find myself looking at another set of carbs last night  :eek
:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(




mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 22 August 2012, 09:39:54 PM
easy day at work today so straight out in the garage when i got in.......ground in the last 8 valves  :D :D :D :D :D :D .will re-fit them tomorrow  ;)  also measured the shims,inlet are ok but all 8 exhaust shims need to go up a size,3 of the old shims i can re-position so i only need 5 new ones....ordered these tonight along with the head gasket from WEMOTO .....£56 delivered...could have got it cheaper but ordering everything from one supplier has saved on postage  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 22 August 2012, 09:41:42 PM
you didnt say what condition the valve guides where in?......someone on ebay sellin a assortment of shims?..worth a look? ;) ..sorted mine!! chk post!


hi clive....saw the ebay ad....works out cheaper for me to buy new  :) but thanks for the tip  :D
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 22 August 2012, 09:42:34 PM
forgot to mention.....another 90 mins to add to the total  :D
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 22 August 2012, 09:47:26 PM
like you say?..may not sort the stutter ...but?...good starting point for getting it right!!!!!!....at least all comp should be pretty equal?...think then mabe mixture screws set to what we said?...then give it a blast???????.....ps?12 1/2 to go!! :rollin
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 22 August 2012, 10:08:04 PM
i wont be that disapointed if this dos`nt solve the stutter :eek ,the bikes been good to me in the ten years ive owned it :D ,so it deserves a bit of tlc ;) ...but i will know that the engine is in tip top shape 8) ...first thing i shall do when its running is another compression test to see what improvement i`ve got ......will probs adjust the mixture while i`ve got the carbs off as much easier  ;) ....i did notice that exhaust valves 3+4 were slightly richer so will be interesting to see what the settings are at the moment  ;) .....also need to adjust the plug gap as too wide at moment  ;)
  12 1/2 to go.......i might just do it....was that a guess or do you know something i dont ?  :)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 22 August 2012, 10:23:19 PM
.......just going off how long we spent on that busa we did?...but we did do a full engine build?...fkn loved it?..specialy when it fired up and run like a sowing machine!!....think you will notice a hell of a diffrnce, when you do run it again?...there was only one cyl down on the busa and that was a exhaust valve?...but seeing it had done over a 100k we did a full overhaul?...its done 9k now and has never missed a beat!! so!!!!!!!! ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 22 August 2012, 10:27:04 PM
yes a great feeling when it fires up....last engine i done was 2.o m10 bmw ,used three engines and a few new bits to make one good un and that started on the button....sweet as a nut....and a great big smile on my face  :D 
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 22 August 2012, 10:32:00 PM
i still do think that we have the answer on that list?.....so hopefully this time you will have the answer you want? :rolleyes
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 23 August 2012, 04:13:49 PM
quote author=CRH link=topic=2066.msg36007#msg36007 date=1345671120]
i still do think that we have the answer on that list?.....so hopefully this time you will have the answer you want? :rolleyes

 
just looking through the list...................bent valve
                                                              re-seat valves
                                                              head gasket
                                                              air filter
                                                              carb balance (will re check this)
                                                              mixture (will check and richen by 1/4 turn)
                                                              plugs (need to re-gap 0.7)
   
all possibilties checked most of them now,once ive got it back together i will know more :)   if stutters still there i will strip the carbs again :\ 
 
 
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 23 August 2012, 04:16:08 PM
just checked my wemoto order.ordered last night on internet......despatched this morning at 8.26 am  :D :D :D .......excellent.....might get the gasket tomorrow  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 23 August 2012, 08:52:22 PM
well if you do need to strip the carbs,and need any parts?....i have a set that i stripped a while ago!!...everything is there, and you are welcome to whatever you need?...i had them given me off a running bike that had been crashed!!.... :rolleyes
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 23 August 2012, 09:27:57 PM
well if you do need to strip the carbs,and need any parts?....i have a set that i stripped a while ago!!...everything is there, and you are welcome to whatever you need?...i had them given me off a running bike that had been crashed!!.... :rolleyes


thats a good offer CRH,thank you :D ...might just take you up on that  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 23 August 2012, 09:31:09 PM
got the last eight valves back in tonight  :D .....just need to clean up the top of the block and i can then start to re-assemble  ;) ....fingers crossed the gasket and shims come tomorrow  8) .......thats another 1 1/4 hrs to add  :)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 23 August 2012, 09:41:26 PM
by the sound of it?...you will defo beat me!!..your nearly there? ;) ....
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 23 August 2012, 10:14:22 PM
yes happy with my progress....working this weekend which is going to slow me up......and mums 80th birthday on monday (she had me very late in life ;) ) so afternoon spent drinking tea and chatting to the older generation  :D
  parhaps i`ll get them to put the fazer back together  :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 24 August 2012, 06:51:56 PM
head gasket arrived today  :D  excellent service from WEMOTO....cheers guys.....how about 10% discount for all foc-u members ?  :D :D :D
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 24 August 2012, 06:56:01 PM
yes happy with my progress....working this weekend which is going to slow me up......and mums 80th birthday on monday (she had me very late in life ;) ) so afternoon spent drinking tea and chatting to the older generation  :D
  parhaps i`ll get them to put the fazer back together  :rollin :rollin :rollin
......Hey dont knock the oldies red!!!!! :eek .....besides you talk to ATB and you wouldnt want to hurt his feelings would you???????????? :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin .......ps, ime still a young fkr!!! :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 24 August 2012, 08:22:50 PM
oh no....dont want to upset the wizzard  :D ...........mmmmmmmmmmm still a young fkr uh ;) ........who has a norton tucked away from his youth  ;) ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 24 August 2012, 08:28:28 PM
oh yesssssssssssssssss  :D
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 24 August 2012, 08:29:42 PM
the norton is from my ..past life!!,,,ime a reborn rejuvinated  fazer rider now?...... ;) ......oh! and its a fkn good investment too? :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 24 August 2012, 08:30:47 PM
been having trouble posting pictures lately  :\ ....worked tonight  :D ...the above pic is the finished head waiting to go back on  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 24 August 2012, 08:32:56 PM
the norton is from my ..past life!!,,,ime a reborn rejuvinated  fazer rider now?...... ;) ......oh! and its a fkn good investment too? :lol


yes a very good investment  ;) [size=78%]......you`ll get round to getting a piccy on here one day [/size] :D .....which past life is it from  :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 24 August 2012, 08:35:15 PM
oh yesssssssssssssssss  :D
.........well???...got to admit red?....you made a cracking job of that matey!!!! :) .....looks brand spanking!!....who neeeeds the blade anyway??.....get it banged on and lets hear the horses baby???? :b
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 24 August 2012, 08:40:44 PM
oh yesssssssssssssssss  :D
.........well???...got to admit red?....you made a cracking job of that matey!!!! :) .....looks brand spanking!!....who neeeeds the blade anyway??.....get it banged on and lets hear the horses baby???? :b




yeh.....the wizzards gone very quite.....he thinks its the carbs  ;) [size=78%]....waiting for that "  told you so ". moment [/size] :'(
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 24 August 2012, 08:43:33 PM
the norton is from my ..past life!!,,,ime a reborn rejuvinated  fazer rider now?...... ;) ......oh! and its a fkn good investment too? :lol


yes a very good investment  ;) [size=78%]......you`ll get round to getting a piccy on here one day [/size] :D .....which past life is it from  :rollin :rollin :rollin
........cheeeckey sutherner!!!what i ment to say was?...in my slightly younger days!!....and yes?..still the 21st century before you ask!!!!!!! :D ......
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 24 August 2012, 08:43:39 PM
this one a " before piccy "   :eek
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 24 August 2012, 08:52:26 PM
you realy done it good red!!..dont forget to give them cams plenty of......your finest...lubricunt.... :b ....dont worry bt the blade mate?....he,s defo wrong this time??....noticed there hasn,t been alot of sensible input from the old fella recently???? :rolleyes :rolleyes ....think its the drugs you know?? ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 24 August 2012, 08:53:16 PM
oh yesssssssssssssssss  :D
.........well???...got to admit red?....you made a cracking job of that matey!!!! :) .....looks brand spanking!!....who neeeeds the blade anyway??.....get it banged on and lets hear the horses baby???? :b


why thank you kind sir  :D    i take everything i said about your age back  :) [size=78%].....and learn to have a bit of respect for my elders[/size] :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 26 August 2012, 09:14:16 AM
working yesterday but found some fettling time in the garage :D .....cleaned up the block and fitted gasket , head and torqued in two stages too 35 nm  ;) ...day off today with a few jobs to do around the house :\  but will try to sneak out to the garage to fit the cams ;) 
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 26 August 2012, 04:38:11 PM
bit more work on the fazer today  :D  fitted the cams and set the timing refitted the cam cover and also the geni cover  :) ......starting to look like a complete bike now    ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 26 August 2012, 09:08:24 PM
not long now then matey? ;) .......got a good feeling bt this one?..not long now before we hit that ...RED"..line!!!!!!!!! 8)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 26 August 2012, 09:15:14 PM
not long now then matey? ;) .......got a good feeling bt this one?..not long now before we hit that ...RED"..line!!!!!!!!! 8)




very good crh  :rollin  carbs on next after ive adjusted the mixture  ;) and then all the bits and pieces  :)
just been reading the darrsi post.........thats been in the back of my mind from day one as replaced the filter shortly before i noticed the stutter  :rolleyes
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 26 August 2012, 09:18:09 PM
yes that was mentioned wasn,t it?...something about having a air tight seal around it to wasn,t it?..... :rolleyes
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 26 August 2012, 09:24:21 PM
yes that was mentioned wasn,t it?...something about having a air tight seal around it to wasn,t it?..... :rolleyes


thats right.....i have a pattern filter in there at moment looks as good as original,fits well  :D ....iam thinking of treating it to a k+n,but a few more things to check before i do that  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 26 August 2012, 09:29:58 PM
well,ive got a KnN in mine and it sounds lush when you give it some!!...lovely induction roar, accompanied by a harpoon race can!!..so i would recomend you get one?.... ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 27 August 2012, 08:27:33 AM
well,ive got a KnN in mine and it sounds lush when you give it some!!...lovely induction roar, accompanied by a harpoon race can!!..so i would recomend you get one?.... ;)


ok thats recomended by DARSSI and CRH  ;) [size=78%]...... i`ll get the bike back together and treat it to a k+n filter [/size] :D
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 27 August 2012, 10:46:29 AM
more garage time this morning.......carbs,checked the mixture.......4 turns out  :eek .....as ive stated before i`ve owned the bike for 10 yrs,9000 miles when bought now on 40000,carbs not been touched in my ownership and main dealer service records before that  :\
 standard mixture settings should be 2 turns out  :eek i was going to richen by 1/2 turn,but left as is and re-fitted  ;)


1 1/12 hrs this morning,struggled re-fitting the carbs this time  :\ ....untill i realised its a lot easier mounting onto the air box rubbers and securing with the julibee clips and then sliding into cylinder head rubbers  ;) ..........i know that already,senior moment as iam at that funny age  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 27 August 2012, 10:49:37 AM
bit more work on the fazer today  :D  fitted the cams and set the timing refitted the cam cover and also the geni cover  :) ......starting to look like a complete bike now    ;)




forgot to mention time taken on this post.....took my time getting the timing right,turned over on the crank and  re-checked a few times........3 1/4 hours  :)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 27 August 2012, 11:54:43 AM
yes red!...you still got approx 2 1/2hrs left!! ;) .....4 turns out you say?....shit!!! thats alot int it?...chkd mine the other day and mine where ...cyl,s 1 plus 4...2 1/2 turns out...and 2plus 3 ...2 3/4 turns out...so i tweaked em bk to 2 1/2 ...and it defo made motor smoother on idle!! ...what you been getting mpg wise then?....i average 52 taking it easy :rolleyes .....worst i got was 40.. ps you changing oil and filter b4 you crack her up??....allways wise i recon cus of bits  left behind you dont allways see ;) ;) .....best being safe than sorry!!!!!
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 27 August 2012, 02:38:09 PM
yes red!...you still got approx 2 1/2hrs left!! ;) .....4 turns out you say?....shit!!! thats alot int it?...chkd mine the other day and mine where ...cyl,s 1 plus 4...2 1/2 turns out...and 2plus 3 ...2 3/4 turns out...so i tweaked em bk to 2 1/2 ...and it defo made motor smoother on idle!! ...what you been getting mpg wise then?....i average 52 taking it easy :rolleyes .....worst i got was 40.. ps you changing oil and filter b4 you crack her up??....allways wise i recon cus of bits  left behind you dont allways see ;) ;) .....best being safe than sorry!!!!!


4 turns was a bit of a surprise  :eek ..............59 mpg before strip down  :) no problems there  :D
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 27 August 2012, 02:40:45 PM
another 1 1/2 hours to add to the total,just fitted all the bits and pieces all i need to do now is top up the coolant level....job done




































oh...............forgot to mention............brum,brum,brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrruuuuummmmmmmmmmmmmmm  :D [size=78%] [/size]
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 27 August 2012, 02:45:20 PM
What?..it runs??????? :b .......looks like a trip out then this afto?? ;) ........
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 27 August 2012, 02:57:03 PM
1 hour remaining ?....just time to rip off ya dustbin lid n make yaself a big fat medal t hang round ya neck me thinks!!!!!!! :b ....got a good feeling bt this one? ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Dead Eye on 27 August 2012, 03:22:13 PM
well,ive got a KnN in mine and it sounds lush when you give it some!!...lovely induction roar, accompanied by a harpoon race can!!..so i would recomend you get one?.... ;)


ok thats recomended by DARSSI and CRH  ;) [size=78%]...... i`ll get the bike back together and treat it to a k+n filter [/size] :D

Definitely recommend the K&N as well ;) Got one on mine but having replaced the entire exhaust system at the same time I can't comment exactly on it precisely - the entire system has been running like a dream though. Can't wait to get mine back tomorrow :D
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: darrsi on 27 August 2012, 03:27:28 PM
I've got replaced stainless down pipes and a what's virtually a race can, and it's always been just fine, but the K&N has made it noticeably better  :b  (not including the latest hiccup obviously)

Sounds a tiny bit different as well.
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 27 August 2012, 08:21:25 PM
had an afternoon with mumsy today  as 80th birthday,good day  :D ,quized her and her elderly friends on the stutter problem and all i got was blank looks  :rolleyes ........bike fired up a treat this morning no problem.....inlet shims were fine,exhaust i increased by 1 size (0.05 mm) did`nt think i would notice the difference,could not have been more wrong........top end is as quite as something very quite  ;) .....not a single rattle or knock,even on first start up  :D  well pleased with that  8)  tick over is a bit lumpy now so will re-balance the carbs...need to do a bit of homework on this to understand ....HG  :o .......as dont know what this is yet....but i do know its quite crucial to getting the best from the bike  :D


    anyone know about this HG thing ?.......................... ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 27 August 2012, 08:33:31 PM
1 hour remaining ?....just time to rip off ya dustbin lid n make yaself a big fat medal t hang round ya neck me thinks!!!!!!! :b ....got a good feeling bt this one? ;)


cheers matey  :)  shame i have a plastic bin,but will wear it anyway  :D ....need to get some coolant and balance the carbs and then it will be test ride time  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 27 August 2012, 08:43:57 PM
dont understand this HG meself red?...but think its something to do with pull of vacuum!!..ie, a maximum and minimum between cylinders?.... ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 27 August 2012, 08:51:13 PM
dont understand this HG meself red?...but think its something to do with pull of vacuum!!..ie, a maximum and minimum between cylinders?.... ;)


yes mate .....its got to be something like that  ;) .........just waiting for someone to come along and enlighten me  ;) ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Andy FZS on 27 August 2012, 08:53:08 PM
The determination of a gas pressure that is less in magnitude than the pressure of the atmosphere. This low pressure can be expressed in terms of the height in millimeters of a column of mercury which the given pressure (vacuum) will support, referenced to zero pressure. The height of the column of mercury which the pressure will support may also be expressed in micrometers. The unit most commonly used is the torr, equal to 1 mm (0.03937 in.) of mercury (mmHg).
Pinched this off the net I think it explains............... :D
Andy
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 27 August 2012, 08:57:28 PM
that is exactly what i was trying to say andy? :rolleyes :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Andy FZS on 27 August 2012, 09:03:29 PM
I was just agreeing with you :lol
Andy
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 27 August 2012, 09:05:52 PM
well thats fkd it then....looks like we both wrong!!!!!!!!!!,,,,,soz red!! :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 27 August 2012, 09:17:00 PM
thanks you two  :) ......i know i need to aim for 240hg , but not sure of the reason why  :\ ....are all bikes set to this standard or do they vary.....no mention in haynes book of lies  :rolleyes
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 27 August 2012, 09:26:23 PM
not sure !..but i would imagine it varies from engine to engine!! ,diff cc,s  etc.. mabe that number you been given is a ................Factory....setting!!!!... ;) who knows??
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 27 August 2012, 09:37:42 PM
just serched pilot screw on here and found a post by GNASHER that ive read before and then forgot about  :\ .....topic title,RUNNING PROBLEMS / TPS ISSUE .lots of info here and easy to understand, THANKS GNASHER  8) . i need to pull 230-250 mm at 1150-1250 rpm,and must have pilot screws set correctly for balancing  ;) .... well worth reading this post  :D
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 27 August 2012, 09:42:42 PM
that sounds spot on then!!! theres your 240hg..and at idle speed !!! does sound like factory setting after all?....wasn,t there mention of a maximum discrepancy between readings?? ;) cant find my notes?..but think it was bt ...10% between cyls max!!
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 27 August 2012, 09:52:56 PM
that sounds spot on then!!! theres your 240hg..and at idle speed !!! does sound like factory setting after all?....wasn,t there mention of a maximum discrepancy between readings?? ;) cant find my notes?..but think it was bt ...10% between cyls max!!


reading my scribbles it is indeed 10 between cylinders  :D [size=78%]......10 what i dont know [/size] :o [size=78%].....will find my gauges tomorrow,they might give me a clue. [/size] ;)
 looks like i will have to alter my pilot screws to 2 turns out for the balancing  :\ [size=78%].....anyone done this with carbs on the bike ? not a lot of room in there [/size] :)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 27 August 2012, 09:56:23 PM
i would think thats 10mm hg on your scale red!!....i would still try the settings you been given first mate?....just may be good!!!!!ps, if you set all your carbs the same,ie 2/2 1/4..or even 2 1/2...i would leave them at that and balance them you could allways do fine tweeks later if needed?.....got to be nearer than what you had b4?...ie 4turns out!!!!!.....i think you will struggle trying to adjust them in situ???
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 27 August 2012, 10:14:28 PM
i would think thats 10mm hg on your scale red!!....i would still try the settings you been given first mate?....just may be good!!!!!ps, if you set all your carbs the same,ie 2/2 1/4..or even 2 1/2...i would leave them at that and balance them you could allways do fine tweeks later if needed?.....got to be nearer than what you had b4?...ie 4turns out!!!!!.....i think you will struggle trying to adjust them in situ???


yeh think your right there mate  ;) ....will look tomorrow after work........glad i done the shims at the same time  ;) very ,very quite now  :D
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Andy FZS on 28 August 2012, 08:24:51 PM
I managed to set 3 out of 4 screws ok but will need to remove the starter motor to set the 4th so I've as yet not done it. I've added it to my to do list for winter :)
Andy
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 28 August 2012, 08:47:44 PM
I managed to set 3 out of 4 screws ok but will need to remove the starter motor to set the 4th so I've as yet not done it. I've added it to my to do list for winter :)
Andy


had a look myself tonight  :) and like you ill take the starter out to reset them  ;) ........how many turns have you set yours to  :)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 28 August 2012, 08:55:14 PM
had to cut the front hedge this evening as swmbo was getting a bit frosty...so less time in the garage...but i did manage to put the coolant in and sort out my carb balancing gauges......will need to set mixture screws to standard for test,4 turns out at moment :eek  been like that for the last 10 years that i know of  ;)  so will set them to 2 1/2 slightly richer than standard  ;) 
 the easiest way to reset them seams to be to take the starter out and use a small flat bladed screwdriver  :)  will see if i can do that tomorrow  :D
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 28 August 2012, 08:57:32 PM
no no no............................leave the starter motor alone. :rolleyes  get yerself one of those titchy spectacle repair kits for a quid or so and inside you will find a nice lickle flat blade screwdriver about and inch or so long that works a treat.....wouldn`t be without mine. or a small flexi shaft jobby ! ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Andy FZS on 28 August 2012, 09:00:39 PM
I set mine to 2 1/2 turns but I think that's standard for mine (03) I tried using a small 1/4 drive socket screwdriver but couldn't manage all 4.
Andy
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 29 August 2012, 06:51:48 AM
no no no............................leave the starter motor alone. :rolleyes  get yerself one of those titchy spectacle repair kits for a quid or so and inside you will find a nice lickle flat blade screwdriver about and inch or so long that works a treat.....wouldn`t be without mine. or a small flexi shaft jobby ! ;)




matey  :eek ......your alive  :lol :lol :lol :lol .....................i have a flexi shaft....hav`nt used it in ages  :rolleyes
 thanks for the tip  ;) [size=78%]ade will find it out and give it a go[/size] :D [size=78%] [/size]
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 29 August 2012, 06:53:55 AM
I set mine to 2 1/2 turns but I think that's standard for mine (03) I tried using a small 1/4 drive socket screwdriver but couldn't manage all 4.
Andy


going to set mine at 2 1/2 aswell  :) .....going to try THE BLADES tip  ;) ....will let you know how i get on  :)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 30 August 2012, 01:54:51 PM
re set the mixture screws last night....what a pain in the a*s  :\ ........did three of the carbs  with a small screwdriver no problem  :)  cylinder no 3 was a pain,can see the screw easy but once i get my hand in there i cant see bu**er all  :\  so took the starter out,which helped but still could`nt adjust,ended up loosening the inlet rubbers on the carbs and easing the carbs back and as high as i could  :\  i was than able to adjust no 3 :D
 all back together now and ready to balance the carbs  :D  all being well i`ll do that tonight and also do another  compression test to see what difference re-seating the valves has made  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 30 August 2012, 08:37:07 PM
told you they where bstds didn,t i ?...still a right fkr with starter out!! be ok if you had female hands? :b .....they can get any where!! into the smallest of wallets etc!! :rolleyes .....hurry up and get it road tested !!...we all waiting in anticipation here!!!!!!!...... :)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 30 August 2012, 09:02:47 PM
forgot  :o .....my brother-in laws 50th birthday today....so had to go up and see the oldman and have a beer.....no fettling time today  :\ ........by the end of the weekend the carbs should be balanced and the test ride done :D ......watch this space  ;)




crh........" smallest of  wallets "    :rollin :rollin :rollin you met swmbo then ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 30 August 2012, 09:08:21 PM
 :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek  why does everyone seem to have troubles adjusting carbs in situ? .....and yes clive, i do have fully grown MALE hands. little bit of head-scatching and some ingenuity and problem will be instantly solved !!........you wanna work on the tw&t of a bike i got in today ( sachs xtc 125 )........what a pile of sh&te that is, and yes everything is very crammed on it. :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol . not a hope in hell for spares. :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 30 August 2012, 09:10:12 PM
forgot  :o .....my brother-in laws 50th birthday today....so had to go up and see the oldman and have a beer.....no fettling time today  :\ ........by the end of the weekend the carbs should be balanced and the test ride done :D ......watch this space  ;)




crh........" smallest of  wallets "    :rollin :rollin :rollin you met swmbo then ;)
i`m watching ! :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 30 August 2012, 09:12:52 PM
Used to have a lovely fat wallet!!!..and loads a bikes!!...till" i rode a ...pussy! :'( .....now all me bikes gone but two !!...puss still purs though :b :b :b :b :b :b
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 30 August 2012, 09:20:07 PM
total filth :rolleyes :rolleyes ........keep it clean........theres sprogs on this forum apparently :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 30 August 2012, 09:22:18 PM
hey ade?...you still thinking its carbs then?....cus 4turns out seems a bit sus you think?? :rolleyes
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 30 August 2012, 09:29:53 PM
hey ade?...you still thinking its carbs then?....cus 4turns out seems a bit sus you think?? :rolleyes
i will say zees only vonce big boy.......rule of thumb tends to be, if you have to back out 3 full turns or more to get it to run half decent then you need up move up one maybe two jet sizes to bring it back down to a more acceptable 2 full turns out. between you and i matey, my dosh is still on carbs / fuel pump ( or both).......definitely a fuel delivery prob. fair play to ole Red, he`s gone the full hog on this one......i`d take my hat off to him, but swmbo only lets me wear the big frilly jobby on a saturday evening unfortunately !! :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 30 August 2012, 09:43:27 PM
ok mabe you are right ? but the compression being how it was? couldnt have helped much surely??...whats throwing me off fuel pump/ delivery is that he can get through the stutter by not snapping the throttle open?,just by building it up gradualy!! :rolleyes and remember this?...he,s got a std can on his not a aftermrkt like you got?? so why in the first place would them carbs need to be tweeked that far out?...unless?...the previos owner had had a race can on it b4 red bought it and didnt put screws bk to factory??????
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 30 August 2012, 09:46:46 PM
ps, you got any ...pics of the ....big frilly jobby"  you ware???????? :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b :b
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 31 August 2012, 06:54:46 AM
ok mabe you are right ? but the compression being how it was? couldnt have helped much surely??...whats throwing me off fuel pump/ delivery is that he can get through the stutter by not snapping the throttle open?,just by building it up gradualy!! :rolleyes and remember this?...he,s got a std can on his not a aftermrkt like you got?? so why in the first place would them carbs need to be tweeked that far out?...unless?...the previos owner had had a race can on it b4 red bought it and didnt put screws bk to factory??????


morning chaps........wow you have been paying attention  ;) ..............what puzzles me is ive ridden the bike for 30,000 miles on these settings and its run 100% perfect  :D [size=78%],all i`ve ever done is routine servicing,filters and fluids [/size] ;) [size=78%]......[/size]
 ade .....you still sticking with carbs then  ;)
[size=78%] clive......you sound as if i might have the stutter sorted now [/size] ;)
[size=78%] me.....mmmmmmmmmm    my moneys on that head gasket or ,that air filter is still at the back of my mind[/size]

[size=78%]on the bright side,at the end of all this fettling iam going to have one well sorted fazer [/size] :D [size=78%] [/size]
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 31 August 2012, 07:01:55 AM
morning red!!.....you still could be right?..air filter could still be a suspect?...might just be that the filter you changed was a thinner paper than the one you put in>therfor on them carb settings it was performing satisfactory until you replaced it!! then it was struggling to breath??????? hence the....stuuuuuuuter!!!!! :rolleyes
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 31 August 2012, 07:38:22 AM
morning red!!.....you still could be right?..air filter could still be a suspect?...might just be that the filter you changed was a thinner paper than the one you put in>therfor on them carb settings it was performing satisfactory until you replaced it!! then it was struggling to breath??????? hence the....stuuuuuuuter!!!!! :rolleyes

mmmmmmmmm yes.....lots of guess work on this one ;) .....big test ride just around the corner  :rolleyes
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 01 September 2012, 01:43:10 PM
balanced the carbs this morning  :)  not far out just needed a tweek  ;) .....settled on 200hg and not 240 hg as it should be  :\  anyone had and experience with hg settings ? ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 01 September 2012, 06:57:52 PM
hi red!...had a quick word with the man ;)  earlier and he said if mixture screws are set and you got no induction leaks on either side of carbs?...then try it at that!!...mentioned the air filter also?..and his words where bin the fkr and stick in a pipercross or k&n!! ;) ....in the meantime take the one out if you think its sus!!
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 02 September 2012, 08:14:30 PM
test ride yesterday....its worse  :\  flat all the way up to 7000 and then one hell of a stutter :eek ....nearly put me over the bars....wont pull beyond 7000 rpm  :\ .........mixture screws are set at 2.5 turns out,thats the only thing ive changed since taking the head off ;) so will put back to 4 turns out and see what happens  ;)  also will try taking the filter out......cheers crh  :D
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 02 September 2012, 08:28:24 PM
 :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(  gutted for ya mate, genuinely !
 
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 02 September 2012, 09:18:48 PM
sorry to here that red?....just had a thought? :rolleyes ......you know when you said that the mixture screws where 4 turns out??...they was ...full turns wasnt they?...what i mean to say is ?...a full turn being ....slot end to slot end twice is one full turn!!!...cus if you just gone ...slot to slot that means you set them to only....1 1/4 turns out?....so the 4 turns you originaly counted was right...it was allfready set to ....2full turns out?.....i may be completely wrong mate but its a easy mistake to make?....thats not saying you have?? but ive done it meself before bt 40yrs ago mind :b .......counting one revolution of your driver is only half a turn!! so you need to count five revolutions to give youself a 2 1/2 ..full turns out!!!!.....
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 02 September 2012, 09:32:02 PM
hence you having a stutter from virtualy the off" cus .....if.....i am right its now getting less fuel than b4?.....
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: darrsi on 02 September 2012, 10:19:18 PM
A revolution is a whole turn, or full cycle, not half a turn?  :rolleyes
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 02 September 2012, 10:27:44 PM
thats what ime trying to say!! he may have counted half turns as full turns hence he got 4 at the first reading!! when in fact he may have been already set at 2!!
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: richfzs on 02 September 2012, 10:41:25 PM
.......counting one revolution of your driver is only half a turn!!

I was with you, till you said this bit....
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 02 September 2012, 10:44:20 PM
.......counting one revolution of your driver is only half a turn!!

I was with you, till you said this bit....
//.......soz rich what i ment to say was?....as" only half a turn!! in other words flat to flat!
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: His Dudeness on 02 September 2012, 10:45:17 PM
it would be awkward but you could kill the engine the second you feel the hesitation and take out the plug to see what condition they are in. that would tell you what sort of problem you have
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 03 September 2012, 06:54:10 AM



sorry to here that red?....just had a thought? :rolleyes ......you know when you said that the mixture screws where 4 turns out??...they was ...full turns wasnt they?...what i mean to say is ?...a full turn being ....slot end to slot end twice is one full turn!!!...cus if you just gone ...slot to slot that means you set them to only....1 1/4 turns out?....so the 4 turns you originaly counted was right...it was allfready set to ....2full turns out?.....i may be completely wrong mate but its a easy mistake to make?....thats not saying you have?? but ive done it meself before bt 40yrs ago mind :b .......counting one revolution of your driver is only half a turn!! so you need to count five revolutions to give youself a 2 1/2 ..full turns out!!!!.....




good point crh......its easier to count half turns  :)    defo set to 2.5 turns out and double checked  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 03 September 2012, 06:56:26 AM
it would be awkward but you could kill the engine the second you feel the hesitation and take out the plug to see what condition they are in. that would tell you what sort of problem you have


another good tip  :D  thanks dude.....might come to that as not something ive tryed yet  ;) [size=78%] [/size]
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 03 September 2012, 06:59:56 AM
iam sure if i reset the mixture to 4 turns i will be back to where i started....next step will be to remove the filter...that might , just might, make me swear if it solves the problem ;) .....after that.....you watching ade ?......its back to the carbs  :\
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Fazerider on 03 September 2012, 08:56:42 AM
iam sure if i reset the mixture to 4 turns i will be back to where i started....next step will be to remove the filter...that might , just might, make me swear if it solves the problem ;) .....after that.....you watching ade ?......its back to the carbs  :\

Erm... 4 half turns. :D
I have mine set to about 45º less than two full turns.


Anyway, surely the mixture screw only affects the mixture at small throttle openings? By the time you've got the butterfly open far enough to reach 7000 rpm the contribution from the slow jet will be dwarfed by that from the main.


Have to say this sounds more like something blocking airflow, fuel starvation or sparks. I'm sure you've eliminated some of those, but wading back though the 500 entries on this thread would expose my eyes to too much of CRH's punctuation. :rollin
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 03 September 2012, 10:07:07 AM
4 FULL turns is a lot  :eek  but its been running like that for the last 30,000 miles no problems  ;)
   wish i understood it  :\
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 03 September 2012, 01:07:36 PM
i`ve been thinking  :eek .......setting the mixture by counting the number of turns on the mixture screws seams to be a bit hit or miss to me,could do a plug check which would be a bit long winded  :\  and then i remembered i have a colour tune somewhere  ;)  it takes the place of a spark plug and is see through to aid accurate setting of the mixture  :D  will see if i can find it tonight  ;)
 
anyone else used one of these  :)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Fazerider on 03 September 2012, 02:07:04 PM
Blimey. :eek  I'd have thought that would leave things much too rich at idle. Even with under two turns I never need choke unless the temperature is near freezing.
Agreed, Colourtune would be a much more scientific way of setting things up.
Even better would be hooking up an exhaust gas analyser with the bike on a dyno, might be a bit expensive though.
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 03 September 2012, 03:23:56 PM
the more i think about it the better it gets  :D ........colour tune iam on about :rolleyes ,just hope i can find it  :\
 bike has never needed choke,so might be a clue there  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 03 September 2012, 06:26:56 PM
First of all.....fazerider go fk yourself!!!!!!!!!!!....cant see much of your input on this post :b ......Red?....have you binned that air filter?.....if not do so and go road test!....ps, the more intake vacuum you can suck in !!...the higher the HG reading will be!
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Fazerider on 03 September 2012, 06:48:58 PM
First of all.....fazerider go fk yourself!!!!!!!!!!!....cant see much of your input on this post :b ......Red?....have you binned that air filter?.....if not do so and go road test!....ps, the more intake vacuum you can suck in !!...the higher the HG reading will be!

My point exactly, it's lost among 15 pages of exclamations and question marks. :lol 
  :kiss
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: richfzs on 03 September 2012, 06:57:41 PM

My point exactly, it's lost among 15 pages of exclamations and question marks. :lol 
  :kiss

Well, that and the love in between CRH and red98 - been wondering when they're going to get a room ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: clayt74 on 03 September 2012, 07:21:07 PM
I'm with crh on this . I have followed this thread and amazed at your dedication to the prob but when you have eliminated  everything possible whatever is left no matter how improbable is the answer! Get rid of that tiny niggle in the back of your mind and sort the airfilter !!!!!!!
seriously think you have dug too deep on this one.
Good luck mate. Never quit tho!!!
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 03 September 2012, 08:03:43 PM

My point exactly, it's lost among 15 pages of exclamations and question marks. :lol 
  :kiss

Well, that and the love in between CRH and red98 - been wondering when they're going to get a room ;)
......jealous are we rich??....red,s my bitch ok?...go get ure own!! :D ......ps,red?..left key at reception!...usual room!!
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 03 September 2012, 08:10:08 PM
coming back to this colourtune / chart thingy, does it matter whether it`s dulux or crown? or will either do the same job?..........just curious ! :rolleyes
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Dead Eye on 03 September 2012, 11:34:00 PM
I'm just curious now in regards to the air filter - I think everyone is waiting for it to finally be removed and burned in to oblivion... or maybe I'm just more of a pyromaniac than I first thought...
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 04 September 2012, 12:33:36 AM
I'm just curious now in regards to the air filter - I think everyone is waiting for it to finally be removed and burned in to oblivion... or maybe I'm just more of a pyromaniac than I first thought...
...........5ltr of your finest unleaded....hot dogs...and burgers all on standby!!!!!!!!! ;) ...come on red?..we fkn hungry!!!! :rolleyes
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: darrsi on 04 September 2012, 01:10:02 AM
My only issue regarding all your effort is that i would've personally done one thing at a time then tested it.
The fact you are none the wiser leaves you a little bit open, as you can't pinpoint anything!
If the air filter doesn't sort it out then my next move would be a proper tune up place with a dyno.
It ain't cheap, trust me i know all too well, but it sorts things out, just be polite and ask them nicely exactly what they're doing! 
I dunno what area you're in, but the fella that does mine walks into the waiting room with half my bike on his lap and narrates to me why and what he's gonna do next!
As much as i hate the end price, the bike says differently!
I use PDQ in Taplow, well out of my way, but i can safely say he's like a bike surgeon!
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: clayt74 on 04 September 2012, 01:17:56 AM
Says it all red!!!! Sort the filter :D
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 04 September 2012, 07:50:41 AM
First of all.....fazerider go fk yourself!!!!!!!!!!!....cant see much of your input on this post :b ......Red?....have you binned that air filter?.....if not do so and go road test!....ps, the more intake vacuum you can suck in !!...the higher the HG reading will be!

 
with you on that one crh  ;) ....i need another 40hg`s......bye bye air filter  :D
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 04 September 2012, 07:57:12 AM
I'm just curious now in regards to the air filter - I think everyone is waiting for it to finally be removed and burned in to oblivion... or maybe I'm just more of a pyromaniac than I first thought...
...........5ltr of your finest unleaded....hot dogs...and burgers all on standby!!!!!!!!! ;) ...come on red?..we fkn hungry!!!! :rolleyes

 
sorry matey.........you will have to stay hungry.......5ltrs of unleaded is never going to happen  ;) 
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 04 September 2012, 08:02:48 AM
I'm with crh on this . I have followed this thread and amazed at your dedication to the prob but when you have eliminated  everything possible whatever is left no matter how improbable is the answer! Get rid of that tiny niggle in the back of your mind and sort the airfilter !!!!!!!
seriously think you have dug too deep on this one.
Good luck mate. Never quit tho!!!

your right there CLAYT74  ;) ...far too deep,glad i did the shims though and the re-seating of the valves is going to help,balancing  the carbs is always good......not much money spent on the old girl just time ;) ....i will get it sorted but work busy now ,during the summer months i work 7 days a week,so this time of year iam feeling a bit worn out  :\ .....bike keeps me sane  :D
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 04 September 2012, 08:04:24 AM

My point exactly, it's lost among 15 pages of exclamations and question marks. :lol 
  :kiss

Well, that and the love in between CRH and red98 - been wondering when they're going to get a room ;)
......jealous are we rich??....red,s my bitch ok?...go get ure own!! :D ......ps,red?..left key at reception!...usual room!!

 
thought we were going to keep this to ourselves  :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 04 September 2012, 08:12:09 AM
I'm just curious now in regards to the air filter - I think everyone is waiting for it to finally be removed and burned in to oblivion... or maybe I'm just more of a pyromaniac than I first thought...

hi DEADEYE......yes air filter is going.....want to set the mixture at the same time  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 04 September 2012, 08:16:55 AM
good and bad news this morning  :\ .....good news...ive found the colour tune....bad news....i dont have the right adaptor  :\ :\
ordered one off the bay this morning £7.50 delivered....time for a rest now  :D
 
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Andy FZS on 04 September 2012, 09:58:16 AM
I assume (always dangerous I know) that you're going to use the colour tune to set your pilot screws? If it makes any difference I may try mine. I bought one about 30yrs ago but it's still in the garage somewhere :\ .
Andy
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 04 September 2012, 10:06:46 AM
I assume (always dangerous I know) that you're going to use the colour tune to set your pilot screws? If it makes any difference I may try mine. I bought one about 30yrs ago but it's still in the garage somewhere :\ .
Andy

yes thats the plan  :D ....i too bought mine about 30 years ago and never used it  :rolleyes
 
will try to post some pictures when i get the adaptor  :)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 04 September 2012, 05:35:45 PM
hi bitch?.....see rich is jealous of us!! :b ....fk him!! give him ades number?...anyway? i think your hg will defo go up when u bin the filter?...and think u might be ok with that colour tune!! i did commando b4 it was put in storage and worked ok on that!! but mine disappeared many moons ago :\ ...never used one since!...are you taking it out tonight?
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: richfzs on 04 September 2012, 05:43:47 PM
No jealousy here, my friends  :)

I am watching with amusement though, as ade tries to muscle into your love nest, but he aint half looking green and hairy  :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 04 September 2012, 05:50:37 PM
rich?...ades got no chance mate!!...red wants thrilling !..not killing!..besides he,s much too tall for red?..only gets let out at wkends.usualy in his old ladies pencil skirt and high heels!! :b :b :b :b :b :b
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: richfzs on 04 September 2012, 06:03:41 PM
No surprise there really, I mean, he's a bloke who'll strip a top end just "because"  :lol :pokefun
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 04 September 2012, 07:58:38 PM
No surprise there really, I mean, he's a bloke who'll strip a top end just "because"  :lol :pokefun
............. :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 04 September 2012, 08:04:32 PM
try these for filter red?....Pipercross race filter..MPXO64...Fazer 600 98-03...£34.99 free del....item no,350508047016...EBAY.
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 04 September 2012, 08:15:27 PM
try these for filter red?....Pipercross race filter..MPXO64...Fazer 600 98-03...£34.99 free del....item no,350508047016...EBAY.


evening all  ;) [size=78%]............just ordered a k+n air filter[/size] :) [size=78%]...£30 delivered[/size] :D [size=78%].....thanks for the info CRH,ive choosen k+n as used before [/size] ;)
 should get the adaptor and filter by friday  :) but busy with work this weekend  :\  will try my best to get both jobs done this weekend  8)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 04 September 2012, 08:25:02 PM
hi bitch?.....see rich is jealous of us!! :b ....fk him!! give him ades number?...anyway? i think your hg will defo go up when u bin the filter?...and think u might be ok with that colour tune!! i did commando b4 it was put in storage and worked ok on that!! but mine disappeared many moons ago :\ ...never used one since!...are you taking it out tonight?


yes indeed  :D  its all positive stuff,colour tune makes sense and will set the mixture correctly as opposed to x amount of turns out  :rolleyes ....all bikes are different  ;)
  ades very quite  :rolleyes ....i know hes lurking in the back ground,and probs grinning from ear to ear  :D ....not because hes got himself a cute new lamb  ;) .....oh nooooooooo........because iam now talking carbs again  ;) ..........wont be long now before we hear...........................TOLD YOU SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO  :\ :\ :\ :\ .


OHHHHHH.........JUST REMEMBERED........ive got to do another compression test to see what difference the valve grinding has made  :D ...........oooooooooooo iam all excited now :D
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 04 September 2012, 08:37:17 PM
yes bet its shot up!...think anything around the 140-150 mark will be good ?....not be as good as mine though?...cus mines yellow n black!!...then again?..also the fastest!!! :D ......
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 04 September 2012, 08:48:13 PM
hi bitch?.....see rich is jealous of us!! :b ....fk him!! give him ades number?...anyway? i think your hg will defo go up when u bin the filter?...and think u might be ok with that colour tune!! i did commando b4 it was put in storage and worked ok on that!! but mine disappeared many moons ago :\ ...never used one since!...are you taking it out tonight?


yes indeed  :D  its all positive stuff,colour tune makes sense and will set the mixture correctly as opposed to x amount of turns out  :rolleyes ....all bikes are different  ;)
  ades very quite  :rolleyes ....i know hes lurking in the back ground,and probs grinning from ear to ear  :D ....not because hes got himself a cute new lamb  ;) .....oh nooooooooo........because iam now talking carbs again  ;) ..........wont be long now before we hear...........................TOLD YOU SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO  :\ :\ :\ :\ .


OHHHHHH.........JUST REMEMBERED........ive got to do another compression test to see what difference the valve grinding has made  :D ...........oooooooooooo iam all excited now :D
yoohoo !!.........i`m new round here. could i borrow a cup of sugar luvvy ? :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: richfzs on 04 September 2012, 08:49:26 PM
Tsk, its just take take take from this boy, innit  :rolleyes :rolleyes :lol :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 04 September 2012, 08:53:10 PM
Tsk, its just take take take from this boy, innit  :rolleyes :rolleyes :lol :lol

 :woot :woot :woot
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 04 September 2012, 09:00:38 PM
do you two know each other by any chance?....sounding a bit iffy this? :b
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: richfzs on 04 September 2012, 09:12:53 PM
He took took took from me for years, can you tell? The bitterness has faded now, but I can't ever forgive him.
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 04 September 2012, 09:18:58 PM
He took took took from me for years, can you tell? The bitterness has faded now, but I can't ever forgive him.
confused.com :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 04 September 2012, 09:23:11 PM
He took took took from me for years, can you tell? The bitterness has faded now, but I can't ever forgive him.

...Mmmmm!!..you know what they say though rich dont you?....old flames never die!..as long as theres a ..spark in the air!!!! :b ......
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: richfzs on 04 September 2012, 09:26:21 PM
Spark eh, well maybe thats red's problem, no spark (or at least one just spluttering on, wont quite die completely)  :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 05 September 2012, 12:21:54 PM
Spark eh, well maybe thats red's problem, no spark (or at least one just spluttering on, wont quite die completely)  :rollin :rollin

YEP.....THATS RIGHT  ;) ....WONT QUITE DIE ............wont let him,for i can re-build him and make him fly once again  :D
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 05 September 2012, 09:00:42 PM
red?...that there rich knows your ex" atb!!...bin exchanging small talk between them?...rich likes the idea of the blade in high heels :b .....glad we both normal mate??
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 05 September 2012, 09:04:11 PM
good news  :)  i got the adaptor for the colour tune today  :D ......thought i would try it and see if it fits,screwed the colour tune into the adaptor and placed it inside my spark plug socket and screwed it in   ;)  piece of cake  :D ..............put socket back on and remove...............................just the colour tune  :o :o :o :o :o :o ..........anyone got a thin walled plug socket  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 05 September 2012, 09:05:23 PM
red?...that there rich knows your ex" atb!!...bin exchanging small talk between them?...rich likes the idea of the blade in high heels :b .....glad we both normal mate??


think were the only normal ones on here  ;) .........same time and place tonight  :b
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: richfzs on 05 September 2012, 09:09:21 PM
sometimes, you know, I'm really glad this is an online group - am really pleased I don't sit in the pub with you weird foccers  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 05 September 2012, 09:10:32 PM
red?...that there rich knows your ex" atb!!...bin exchanging small talk between them?...rich likes the idea of the blade in high heels :b .....glad we both normal mate??


think were the only normal ones on here  ;) .........same time and place tonight  :b
....you know sweety!!...who,s turn is it for the handcuffs!!!!!!!
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 05 September 2012, 09:13:15 PM
will the box plug spanner grind down to fit mate??
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 05 September 2012, 09:15:23 PM
will the box plug spanner grind down to fit mate??


thats what i was thinking....as you do  ;) .........but then found the right tool at the bottom of my toolbox
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 05 September 2012, 09:23:01 PM
sometimes, you know, I'm really glad this is an online group - am really pleased I don't sit in the pub with you weird foccers  ;)


pub meet coming up  ;) .........that would be interesting  :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 05 September 2012, 09:26:11 PM
will the box plug spanner grind down to fit mate??


thats what i was thinking....as you do  ;) .........but then found the right tool at the bottom of my toolbox
...amazing what you find in the bottom of a toolbox isnt it?.....went in mine this morning to be greeted with fkn queen wasp bt as big as a spark plug!!....oh fk did i say queen??...soz ade i wasnt taking piss ...honestly!!!! :b
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 06 September 2012, 08:38:24 PM
got an email from guy i ordered filter from..........none in stock  :\ :\ :\ :\ .....asked for a refund and ordered another filter from different supplier  :rolleyes ........be surprised if i get that for the weekend  :rolleyes
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Lawrence on 06 September 2012, 08:53:05 PM
I've had a bit of hesitation when pinning the throttle open at high-ish (6k+) engine speeds, changed the air filter + fuel filter and after a quick run up the road it appears to have got rid of it.

I just used a standard £12 filter from Wemoto, ordered Tuesday, arrived today.

Fingers crossed the filter will sort your problem out, this thread seems to be never ending.  That said if you removed all the flirting from CRH and Ade it'd probably be about 2 pages :D
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 06 September 2012, 09:00:34 PM
I've had a bit of hesitation when pinning the throttle open at high-ish (6k+) engine speeds, changed the air filter + fuel filter and after a quick run up the road it appears to have got rid of it.

I just used a standard £12 filter from Wemoto, ordered Tuesday, arrived today.

Fingers crossed the filter will sort your problem out, this thread seems to be never ending.  That said if you removed all the flirting from CRH and Ade it'd probably be about 2 pages :D




 :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin flirting from CRH and ADE  :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin i will have to read again from page one,think i missed that bit :rolleyes
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 06 September 2012, 09:57:41 PM
I've had a bit of hesitation when pinning the throttle open at high-ish (6k+) engine speeds, changed the air filter + fuel filter and after a quick run up the road it appears to have got rid of it.

I just used a standard £12 filter from Wemoto, ordered Tuesday, arrived today.

Fingers crossed the filter will sort your problem out, this thread seems to be never ending.  That said if you removed all the flirting from CRH and Ade it'd probably be about 2 pages :D
......... :eek ...flirting from CRH & ADE..?...how dare you lawrence?...let me put you straight about something? ;) .....ade the blade has he is known? happens to be a ex ...dancing on ice champion!...hence,,,THE BLADE!!!! 8)  and is not a man to mess with?.RICHFZS..a very close friend of ade :b ...as been" reading between the sheets"  :rolleyes  a very bad influence on the blade ?turning him into "dare i say!...Cross Dresser? who regularly rides to work in a tight pencil skirt and high heel boots!! :rolleyes .... but make no mistake lawrence! under all that lipstick and tight fitting skirts is a real man!!...his nickname at school was?...tear arse! :eek ..as rich painfully found out!!! :b ....me on the other hand is just normal like my boyfriend red!!!.. ;)




 :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin flirting from CRH and ADE  :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin i will have to read again from page one,think i missed that bit :rolleyes
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 06 September 2012, 10:45:08 PM
I've had a bit of hesitation when pinning the throttle open at high-ish (6k+) engine speeds, changed the air filter + fuel filter and after a quick run up the road it appears to have got rid of it.

I just used a standard £12 filter from Wemoto, ordered Tuesday, arrived today.

Fingers crossed the filter will sort your problem out, this thread seems to be never ending.  That said if you removed all the flirting from CRH and Ade it'd probably be about 2 pages :D
......... :eek ...flirting from CRH & ADE..?...how dare you lawrence?...let me put you straight about something? ;) .....ade the blade has he is known? happens to be a ex ...dancing on ice champion!...hence,,,THE BLADE!!!! 8)  and is not a man to mess with?.RICHFZS..a very close friend of ade :b ...as been" reading between the sheets"  :rolleyes  a very bad influence on the blade ?turning him into "dare i say!...Cross Dresser? who regularly rides to work in a tight pencil skirt and high heel boots!! :rolleyes .... but make no mistake lawrence! under all that lipstick and tight fitting skirts is a real man!!...his nickname at school was?...tear arse! :eek ..as rich painfully found out!!! :b ....me on the other hand is just normal like my boyfriend red!!!.. ;)




 :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin flirting from CRH and ADE  :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin i will have to read again from page one,think i missed that bit :rolleyes

 :groan .......nighty night.
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Dead Eye on 06 September 2012, 11:50:03 PM
You know, a pub meet might not be a bad idea, should be a good laugh - probably have to do it somewhere quiet and out of the way so as to reduce the likelihood of the locals calling the authorities to throw some of you lot in the looney bin ;) ... you know who you are...
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 07 September 2012, 01:41:08 PM
You know, a pub meet might not be a bad idea, should be a good laugh - probably have to do it somewhere quiet and out of the way so as to reduce the likelihood of the locals calling the authorities to throw some of you lot in the looney bin ;) ... you know who you are...
as long as it doesn`t have low beams............these slingbacks jack me up at least 6" :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin  oh just noticed...HAPPY BURFDAY RED :guitar :guitar didn`t realise you had a good 30 yrs on me !
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 07 September 2012, 06:34:24 PM
You know, a pub meet might not be a bad idea, should be a good laugh - probably have to do it somewhere quiet and out of the way so as to reduce the likelihood of the locals calling the authorities to throw some of you lot in the looney bin ;) ... you know who you are...
as long as it doesn`t have low beams............these slingbacks jack me up at least 6" :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin  oh just noticed...HAPPY BURFDAY RED :guitar :guitar didn`t realise you had a good 30 yrs on me !

cheers mate :D ........old man now....30years :rolleyes  only in your dreams......beers in the fridge,help yourself mate  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 07 September 2012, 06:56:31 PM
yes!!!!.....happy birthday red...[/color ....leg over tonight then matey?...ps, can i sit on ya shoulders and take pics for ade?
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 07 September 2012, 09:06:52 PM
yes!!!!.....happy birthday red...[/color ....leg over tonight then matey?...ps, can i sit on ya shoulders and take pics for ade?


cheers matey  :) [size=78%]............yep,birthdays and christmas,you know the drill[/size] ;) [size=78%]....................paralympics today....great day [/size] :D
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 08 September 2012, 02:56:59 PM
at last back on my 600 fazer problem.....CRH has helped me out with a long list of possible solutions after quizing a mechanic friend....so my thanks go to both of you  :D ......top of the list....BENT VALVE.....so ive done another compression test
 
                                                             cylinder 1...................140 psi
                                                             cylinder 2.....................85 psi
                                                             cylinder 3.....................61 psi
                                                             cylinder 4...................143 psi


these are average figures as i did the test four times,should be about 160/170 psi ,with 40,000 miles on the clock i was not expecting top pressure, within 10% and i would of been happy,the low readings on cyl 2 + 3 has got me thinking  :eek


i then disconnected the plug caps in turn to see what these figures mead in real terms....


                                 disconnect plug lead no 1...............little bit flat but idles
                                 disconnect plug lead no 2...............flat but wont idle
                                 disconnect plug lead no 3...............little bit flat but idles
                                 disconnect plug lead no 4...............little bit flat but idles
                                 disconnect plug leads 2 + 3............flat but just about idles
                                 disconnect plug leads 1 +4.............wont start


so iam now thinking HEAD GASKET blown between cylinders 2 and 3  ;)  the bike runs fine between 4/8000rpm so parhaps the pressure of the 2 cylinders is masking the damaged gasket at mid range but at higher rpm the pressure is too great and the stutter returns  ;) ;) ......sounds a bit mad...but could be  :D
[size=78%]   i might take the head off and have a look,i can check the valves at the same time and regrind the seats to make it worth while [/size]


good afternoon chaps.........working today but had extended lunch brake and done another compression test  :D




                                                                          1          2          3          4


results before valve re-grind                           140       85         61       143


results after valve re-grind                              137      134      132       136


happy with those results  :D  shame i lost a few psi`s on 1 and 4  :o  but figures very close now  :D
still waiting for air filter ,probs be mon or tues now  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 08 September 2012, 04:25:00 PM
them readings are pretty good matey!!...nice and even!...right?..told paul you going to use a colour tune?..and he said if you do use one?..(he wouldnt by the way)....to err on the side of rich?..as the fazer motor is designed to run with a richer mixture than most!! he also says that using the colour they show tends to make bike engines run very weak?...and you may experience pinking when you give it some?...he said tend to aim for blue to orange , more the latter!!...specialy as your about to fit a k&N...
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 08 September 2012, 09:47:04 PM
at last back on my 600 fazer problem.....CRH has helped me out with a long list of possible solutions after quizing a mechanic friend....so my thanks go to both of you  :D ......top of the list....BENT VALVE.....so ive done another compression test
 
                                                             cylinder 1...................140 psi
                                                             cylinder 2.....................85 psi
                                                             cylinder 3.....................61 psi
                                                             cylinder 4...................143 psi


these are average figures as i did the test four times,should be about 160/170 psi ,with 40,000 miles on the clock i was not expecting top pressure, within 10% and i would of been happy,the low readings on cyl 2 + 3 has got me thinking  :eek


i then disconnected the plug caps in turn to see what these figures mead in real terms....


                                 disconnect plug lead no 1...............little bit flat but idles
                                 disconnect plug lead no 2...............flat but wont idle
                                 disconnect plug lead no 3...............little bit flat but idles
                                 disconnect plug lead no 4...............little bit flat but idles
                                 disconnect plug leads 2 + 3............flat but just about idles
                                 disconnect plug leads 1 +4.............wont start


so iam now thinking HEAD GASKET blown between cylinders 2 and 3  ;)  the bike runs fine between 4/8000rpm so parhaps the pressure of the 2 cylinders is masking the damaged gasket at mid range but at higher rpm the pressure is too great and the stutter returns  ;) ;) ......sounds a bit mad...but could be  :D
[size=78%]   i might take the head off and have a look,i can check the valves at the same time and regrind the seats to make it worth while [/size]


good afternoon chaps.........working today but had extended lunch break and done another compression test  :D




                                                                          1          2          3          4


results before valve re-grind                           140       85         61       143


results after valve re-grind                              137      134      132       136


happy with those results  :D  shame i lost a few psi`s on 1 and 4  :o  but figures very close now  :D
still waiting for air filter ,probs be mon or tues now  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 08 September 2012, 09:56:05 PM
them readings are pretty good matey!!...nice and even!...right?..told paul you going to use a colour tune?..and he said if you do use one?..(he wouldnt by the way)....to err on the side of rich?..as the fazer motor is designed to run with a richer mixture than most!! he also says that using the colour they show tends to make bike engines run very weak?...and you may experience pinking when you give it some?...he said tend to aim for blue to orange , more the latter!!...specialy as your about to fit a k&N...




thanks crh....top man ;) .....main reason for using colour tune is to see the difference between 2.5 turns and 4 turns  ;)
will set to over rich which i think will be somewhere near 4 turns but i dont know why :rolleyes [size=78%],will wait untill i have the k+n [/size] :D
pleased with the compression figures :D [size=78%] thats going to make it run a lot smoother and a bit more power[/size] ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 08 September 2012, 10:05:56 PM
yes very wierd why they should be that far out int it?....still like you previously said?..it ran fine for all those years so???????????...defo make a diffrence now you done valves!!...cant wait till you get that fkn filter in it?..there must be hundreds of us on here wanting a result!!!...just think red?..no more stutters?...what the fuck you gonna do with yourself? :rolleyes ....
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 08 September 2012, 10:17:04 PM
yes very wierd why they should be that far out int it?....still like you previously said?..it ran fine for all those years so???????????...defo make a diffrence now you done valves!!...cant wait till you get that fkn filter in it?..there must be hundreds of us on here wanting a result!!!...just think red?..no more stutters?...what the fuck you gonna do with yourself? :rolleyes ....
same as me.......bike had k+n and aftermarket can fitted and ran sweet as a nut for over two years.....then literally overnight developed the dreaded stutter. finally cured ( touch wood ) with some re-jetting !!! whats that all about. crazy shit :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
 
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 08 September 2012, 10:22:09 PM
yes very wierd why they should be that far out int it?....still like you previously said?..it ran fine for all those years so???????????...defo make a diffrence now you done valves!!...cant wait till you get that fkn filter in it?..there must be hundreds of us on here wanting a result!!!...just think red?..no more stutters?...what the fuck you gonna do with yourself? :rolleyes ....
same as me.......bike had k+n and aftermarket can fitted and ran sweet as a nut for over two years.....then literally overnight developed the dreaded stutter. finally cured ( touch wood ) with some re-jetting !!! whats that all about. crazy shit :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
 
...your right ade! doesnt make sense does it?...fkn bikes are  wearing out nearly as quick as us? :rolleyes
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 08 September 2012, 10:24:53 PM
its a crazy world  :rolleyes .....would be very frustrating if i fix the stutter but dont know the reason  :\ ......bit like you re-jetting ade  ;) .........think iam getting close now :)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 08 September 2012, 10:33:40 PM
its a crazy world  :rolleyes .....would be very frustrating when i fix the stutter but dont know the reason  :\ ......bit like you re-jetting ade  ;) .........think iam getting close now :)
fixed it for you mate..........keep at it pal...........we`ll all keep throwing any old sh&te on the table until its running right for ya........as you were Clive ! :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 08 September 2012, 10:38:29 PM
its a crazy world  :rolleyes .....would be very frustrating when i fix the stutter but dont know the reason  :\ ......bit like you re-jetting ade  ;) .........think iam getting close now :)
fixed it for you mate..........keep at it pal...........we`ll all keep throwing any old sh&te on the table until its running right for ya........as you were Clive ! :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
......Sheep shagger :b ....
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 08 September 2012, 10:42:40 PM
its a crazy world  :rolleyes .....would be very frustrating when i fix the stutter but dont know the reason  :\ ......bit like you re-jetting ade  ;) .........think iam getting close now :)
fixed it for you mate..........keep at it pal...........we`ll all keep throwing any old sh&te on the table until its running right for ya........as you were Clive ! :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
......Sheep shagger :b ....

meh..meh........meh :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 08 September 2012, 10:51:43 PM
you still not convinced its sorted then ade? :rolleyes
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 08 September 2012, 10:59:30 PM
you still not convinced its sorted then ade? :rolleyes
believe me mate, i`d like to think `ole Reds on the home straight. But what niggles me is i tried the switching out the air filter thingy.albeit in reverse with no difference whatsoever, unfortunately. I really, really hope it turns out to be the `key` to it all. still need more convincing though......sorry all......come on Red, prove me totally wrong and kick my arse bigtime for being a non-believer .........i`ll deserve it !! :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 08 September 2012, 11:02:36 PM
ADE?...if red dont kick the fkr?....CAN I PLEASE??????? ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Dead Eye on 08 September 2012, 11:50:52 PM
You know, a pub meet might not be a bad idea, should be a good laugh - probably have to do it somewhere quiet and out of the way so as to reduce the likelihood of the locals calling the authorities to throw some of you lot in the looney bin ;) ... you know who you are...
as long as it doesn`t have low beams............these slingbacks jack me up at least 6" :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin  oh just noticed...HAPPY BURFDAY RED :guitar :guitar didn`t realise you had a good 30 yrs on me !

Happy belated Birthday :P Did I miss the cake?

Is it also rude to point out that you are in fact 28 years older than me - I like being the young one ^^
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 08 September 2012, 11:51:16 PM
ADE?...if red dont kick the fkr?....CAN I PLEASE??????? ;)
I thought that was a forgone conclusion mate.........gd`night
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 08 September 2012, 11:54:50 PM
You know, a pub meet might not be a bad idea, should be a good laugh - probably have to do it somewhere quiet and out of the way so as to reduce the likelihood of the locals calling the authorities to throw some of you lot in the looney bin ;) ... you know who you are...
as long as it doesn`t have low beams............these slingbacks jack me up at least 6" :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin  oh just noticed...HAPPY BURFDAY RED :guitar :guitar didn`t realise you had a good 30 yrs on me !

Happy belated Birthday :P Did I miss the cake?

Is it also rude to point out that you are in fact 28 years older than me - I like being the young one ^^
quite right mate......us sub-30 yr olds must stick together. oh and yes the cake was a bit on the chewy side........sure it had a jam and air filter filling  :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 09 September 2012, 07:20:14 AM
You know, a pub meet might not be a bad idea, should be a good laugh - probably have to do it somewhere quiet and out of the way so as to reduce the likelihood of the locals calling the authorities to throw some of you lot in the looney bin ;) ... you know who you are...
as long as it doesn`t have low beams............these slingbacks jack me up at least 6" :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin  oh just noticed...HAPPY BURFDAY RED :guitar :guitar didn`t realise you had a good 30 yrs on me !

Happy belated Birthday :P Did I miss the cake?

Is it also rude to point out that you are in fact 28 years older than me - I like being the young one ^^


cheers mate :D [size=78%]........had problem with cake and fire brigade [/size] :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 09 September 2012, 07:21:34 AM
You know, a pub meet might not be a bad idea, should be a good laugh - probably have to do it somewhere quiet and out of the way so as to reduce the likelihood of the locals calling the authorities to throw some of you lot in the looney bin ;) ... you know who you are...
as long as it doesn`t have low beams............these slingbacks jack me up at least 6" :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin  oh just noticed...HAPPY BURFDAY RED :guitar :guitar didn`t realise you had a good 30 yrs on me !

Happy belated Birthday :P Did I miss the cake?

Is it also rude to point out that you are in fact 28 years older than me - I like being the young one ^^
quite right mate......us sub-30 yr olds must stick together. oh and yes the cake was a bit on the chewy side........sure it had a jam and air filter filling  :lol :lol :lol :lol






SUB 30.......................... :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Dead Eye on 09 September 2012, 11:44:29 AM
Sub 30... I'm barely post 20 :P
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 11 September 2012, 03:23:23 PM
afternoon all you young foccrs :) .....iam i the oldest foccer in town ?
 k+n filter arrived yesterday and looks fantastic  :D  will fit tonight and have a play with the colour tune  ;)
 
 
in the meantime  ;) ,all you foccers out there start thinking about what iam going to do next if this fails, as i think iam now out of ideas  :\
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 11 September 2012, 05:07:14 PM
afternoon all you young foccrs :) .....iam i the oldest foccer in town ?
 k+n filter arrived yesterday and looks fantastic  :D  will fit tonight and have a play with the colour tune  ;)
 
 
in the meantime  ;) ,all you foccers out there start thinking about what iam going to do next if this fails, as i think iam now out of ideas  :\
.....buy a ..GOOD one of me boyfriend! :b ....dont worry ime sure it will be fine!!!...got to prove ATB wrong else never live it down :'( ......ps... suzuki bandits are cheap? :rolleyes ...and remember this?...you only as old as you look!!
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 11 September 2012, 05:22:30 PM
afternoon all you young foccrs :) .....iam i the oldest foccer in town ?
 k+n filter arrived yesterday and looks fantastic  :D  will fit tonight and have a play with the colour tune  ;)
 
 
in the meantime  ;) ,all you foccers out there start thinking about what iam going to do next if this fails, as i think iam now out of ideas  :\
.....buy a ..GOOD one of me boyfriend! :b ....dont worry ime sure it will be fine!!!...got to prove ATB wrong else never live it down :'( ......ps... suzuki bandits are cheap? :rolleyes ...and remember this?...you only as old as you look!!

oh no.....could never have a bum bandit  :eek ......stick with what i`ve got  ;) .........."only as old as you look"......now i am i trouble  :\ :\ :\
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 11 September 2012, 05:30:34 PM
me too! sooner have a ped?...think positive?...IT WILL BE FINE!!...its just got to be? :'( ....like i said ?..got to beat atb to this one ! he,s getting bit to smug for my liking!! :b
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 11 September 2012, 08:19:33 PM
hurry up red?...its getting dark!!...and ade the night owl is lurking in the shadows!! 8) ...bring us some ..GOOD..news!.Pleeeeeeeeeeze :rolleyes ...
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 11 September 2012, 09:09:58 PM
hurry up red?...its getting dark!!...and ade the night owl is lurking in the shadows!! 8) ...bring us some ..GOOD..news!.Pleeeeeeeeeeze :rolleyes ...
too late, my little dormice....HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT !! :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 11 September 2012, 09:13:18 PM
afternoon all you young foccrs :) .....iam i the oldest foccer in town ?
 k+n filter arrived yesterday and looks fantastic  :D  will fit tonight and have a play with the colour tune  ;)
 
 
in the meantime  ;) ,all you foccers out there start thinking about what iam going to do next if this fails, as i think iam now out of ideas  :\
SAND YACHTING ?.......BEACHES ARE QUIETER NOW :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin  oop, i`m shouting :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 12 September 2012, 12:29:59 PM
hard day at work yesterday  :\  got in at 6 had dinner and thought i would watch the news before fettling the fazer  ;) .......................woke up at 9 .45  :o :o .......will try again tonight  :)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 12 September 2012, 07:44:51 PM
hard day at work yesterday  :\  got in at 6 had dinner and thought i would watch the news before fettling the fazer  ;) .......................woke up at 9 .45  :o :o .......will try again tonight  :)
dinner............where i live its called tea. is that because you`re a toff or am i just gutter scum?  :\
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 12 September 2012, 07:46:34 PM
straight out to the garage tonight,no slouching on the sofa  :rolleyes ....fitted the k+n air filter :)  an excellent fit,very snug around the top rim  ;)  the old filter had a good 6mm gap and relied on the top cover to hold it in place  :rolleyes  (its a pattern filter about £23 i think)
 took no4 plug out and fitted the colour tune.....start the old girl up and i can see straight away shes running weak ;) [size=78%],blue flame , what i was expecting,mixture is set to 2.5 turns so turn the mixture screw anti-clockwise (out) until i get blue/yellow flame,edging towards yellow as the fazer is designed to run rich[/size] :) ........before i started adjusting the mixture they were set at 4 turns out and had been like that for 30,000 miles with no problems.......now  with the colour tune and k+n filter.....................5 turns out  :eek :eek
 need to set the other cylinders now and then test ride...work permitting  :rolleyes
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Andy FZS on 12 September 2012, 07:48:12 PM
Maybe got in at 6am had DINNER and then a decent nap until 9;45 :lol
Andy
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: nickodemon on 12 September 2012, 08:17:08 PM
Just acquired a fzs 600 1999. It seems to run fine sometimes and other times it feels like its running out of fuel and hesitates about 5000 rpm usually when gassing it to overtake :eek . I find if i hold the throttle open it hesitates then clears. It has a micron race can and standard air filter. Any help appreciated :(
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 12 September 2012, 08:50:38 PM
straight out to the garage tonight,no slouching on the sofa  :rolleyes ....fitted the k+n air filter :)  an excellent fit,very snug around the top rim  ;)  the old filter had a good 6mm gap and relied on the top cover to hold it in place  :rolleyes  (its a pattern filter about £23 i think)
 took no4 plug out and fitted the colour tune.....start the old girl up and i can see straight away shes running weak ;) [size=78%],blue flame , what i was expecting,mixture is set to 2.5 turns so turn the mixture screw anti-clockwise (out) until i get blue/yellow flame,edging towards yellow as the fazer is designed to run rich[/size] :) ........before i started adjusting the mixture they were set at 4 turns out and had been like that for 30,000 miles with no problems.......now  with the colour tune and k+n filter.....................5 turns out  :eek :eek
 need to set the other cylinders now and then test ride...work permitting  :rolleyes
:wall ............not good :\
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 12 September 2012, 09:02:34 PM
no,not good.....not standard........i`ll carry on with the other cylinders and see what happens on the test ride  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 12 September 2012, 09:10:16 PM
dont you think it may be better running it up to temp b4 u set mixture?...i would have thought that just might make a diff?
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Dead Eye on 12 September 2012, 09:52:35 PM
Everybody is probably thinking it, but carbs (and engines in general) are still not fully sussed in my mind. So; the mixture screws increase / decrease the amount of fuel that is being drawn by the carbs (or something to that effect) so wouldn't increasing the jet sizes have the same result as turning the mixture screws out? Of course you are still running a standard can and it shouldn't be necessary but...

My other random thought is, what if fuel pressure is low? Could a half faulty pump or filter be restricting the fuel flow and preventing enough from getting through? It's a bit of a twist on the same theme that has been followed with fuel starvation...

So much has been discussed but its like 20 pages back and I don't want to go re-read this entire thread - it would take all night :P
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 12 September 2012, 10:29:42 PM
Everybody is probably thinking it, but carbs (and engines in general) are still not fully sussed in my mind. So; the mixture screws increase / decrease the amount of fuel that is being drawn by the carbs (or something to that effect) so wouldn't increasing the jet sizes have the same result as turning the mixture screws out? Of course you are still running a standard can and it shouldn't be necessary but...

My other random thought is, what if fuel pressure is low? Could a half faulty pump or filter be restricting the fuel flow and preventing enough from getting through? It's a bit of a twist on the same theme that has been followed with fuel starvation...

So much has been discussed but its like 20 pages back and I don't want to go re-read this entire thread - it would take all night :P

hmmmmmmm........lots of the above post sounds familiar :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin only one word is important here.......and that word is good `ole FUEL. either the delivery or mixing of same is the key here....trust me.......i say ya buy one, ya get one free, i say ya buy one , ya get one free. if ya didn`t laff then you`d just shit ya panties :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol  nighty night.
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 12 September 2012, 10:36:54 PM
Everybody is probably thinking it, but carbs (and engines in general) are still not fully sussed in my mind. So; the mixture screws increase / decrease the amount of fuel that is being drawn by the carbs (or something to that effect) so wouldn't increasing the jet sizes have the same result as turning the mixture screws out? Of course you are still running a standard can and it shouldn't be necessary but...

My other random thought is, what if fuel pressure is low? Could a half faulty pump or filter be restricting the fuel flow and preventing enough from getting through? It's a bit of a twist on the same theme that has been followed with fuel starvation...

So much has been discussed but its like 20 pages back and I don't want to go re-read this entire thread - it would take all night :P

hmmmmmmm........lots of the above post sounds familiar :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin only one word is important here.......and that word is good `ole FUEL. either the delivery or mixing of same is the key here....trust me.......i say ya buy one, ya get one free, i say ya buy one , ya get one free. if ya didn`t laff then you`d just shit ya panties :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol  nighty night.
....soz ade?...just cant trust a bloke in high heels!!!! :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: darrsi on 13 September 2012, 12:48:04 AM
Still not happy with my bike between 2000-3000rpm, so it's booked in to PDQ Monday week.


It WILL get sorted, albeit the issue of a small fortune, but the man who deals with it is a genius, so i'll report back when it's done and  let you know what he found!
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 13 September 2012, 08:11:56 AM
dont you think it may be better running it up to temp b4 u set mixture?...i would have thought that just might make a diff?

yes ......did that crh........adjusting the mixture with the engine hot and running is no fun  :eek :eek
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 13 September 2012, 08:15:34 AM
Everybody is probably thinking it, but carbs (and engines in general) are still not fully sussed in my mind. So; the mixture screws increase / decrease the amount of fuel that is being drawn by the carbs (or something to that effect) so wouldn't increasing the jet sizes have the same result as turning the mixture screws out? Of course you are still running a standard can and it shouldn't be necessary but...

My other random thought is, what if fuel pressure is low? Could a half faulty pump or filter be restricting the fuel flow and preventing enough from getting through? It's a bit of a twist on the same theme that has been followed with fuel starvation...

So much has been discussed but its like 20 pages back and I don't want to go re-read this entire thread - it would take all night :P

good point on the fuel pump and filter  ;) ....i bench tested the pump and all seamed fine :D  could change when its under pressure though  :\ .....filter was clear and again seamed fine.but as they are cheap will probs replace  :)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Lawrence on 13 September 2012, 10:08:29 AM
Just acquired a fzs 600 1999. It seems to run fine sometimes and other times it feels like its running out of fuel and hesitates about 5000 rpm usually when gassing it to overtake :eek . I find if i hold the throttle open it hesitates then clears. It has a micron race can and standard air filter. Any help appreciated :(
Mine was the same, would hold back for a second or two and then start pulling.  New air and fuel filters fixed it.  About £13 and £5 respectively from Wemoto.
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: nickodemon on 13 September 2012, 06:06:37 PM
Just ordered a fuel filter to see if it helps. Thing is sometimes it runs fine, so i would be more inclined to think its electrical, but for a fiver it's worth a punt.
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 13 September 2012, 09:23:22 PM
com on then red?...put us out our misery !!!!! :rolleyes ......did it work or do i owe ATB a blow job???????? :\
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 13 September 2012, 09:26:02 PM
com on then red?...put us out our misery !!!!! :rolleyes ......did it work or do i owe ATB a blow job???????? :\
we are waiting mate.... :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 13 September 2012, 09:29:22 PM
com on then red?...put us out our misery !!!!! :rolleyes ......did it work or do i owe ATB a blow job???????? :\
we are waiting mate.... :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes
....ile warn you now matey?....if i do lose the bet?..you paying me petrol down t yours!! or i keep me fuckin teeth ...IN!!!! :b
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 14 September 2012, 07:50:19 AM
no time to play last night as working late,busy today aswell and i think iam working this weekend too  :\ .....nice to have the work.....but i want to sort the 600 aswell  :\ :\ :\ :\ :\
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 14 September 2012, 10:09:31 PM
Try not to be too long mate?.....got him who wears the high heels"..scratching on me top box lid!! :\ ....itching to fill me tank for a filthy night of gobbleygooch!! :rolleyes .....he soooo wants me to be wrong?...i can feel it in me lycra pants!! ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: nickodemon on 15 September 2012, 05:35:25 PM
Replaced fuel filter. Noticed when the fuel ran out the old filter it was orange in colour. I think my problem is rust in fuel tank. When i looked in fuel tank it looks spotless, so it must have rust at the bottom :\
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 15 September 2012, 08:33:58 PM
Replaced fuel filter. Noticed when the fuel ran out the old filter it was orange in colour. I think my problem is rust in fuel tank. When i looked in fuel tank it looks spotless, so it must have rust at the bottom :\


if you take the tank of and remove the tap and fuel guage sender you can flush it out quite easily  :D  se what comes out  ;) has the bike been sat around for a while  :)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 15 September 2012, 08:35:29 PM
dont think i will have any spare time this weekend to play with the 600  :\  might be monday night now  :\
 can you wait that long ade  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 15 September 2012, 08:56:09 PM
dont think i will have any spare time this weekend to play with the 600  :\  might be monday night now  :\
 can you wait that long ade  ;)
awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww go on then.....i suppose so ;) .
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: nickodemon on 15 September 2012, 11:13:42 PM
Replaced fuel filter. Noticed when the fuel ran out the old filter it was orange in colour. I think my problem is rust in fuel tank. When i looked in fuel tank it looks spotless, so it must have rust at the bottom :\


if you take the tank of and remove the tap and fuel guage sender you can flush it out quite easily  :D  se what comes out  ;) has the bike been sat around for a while  :)
I'm going to take tank off and drain. I've just bought the bike, so i don't really know how long its been lying.
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 16 September 2012, 07:53:11 AM
Replaced fuel filter. Noticed when the fuel ran out the old filter it was orange in colour. I think my problem is rust in fuel tank. When i looked in fuel tank it looks spotless, so it must have rust at the bottom :\


if you take the tank of and remove the tap and fuel guage sender you can flush it out quite easily  :D  se what comes out  ;) has the bike been sat around for a while  :)
I'm going to take tank off and drain. I've just bought the bike, so i don't really know how long its been lying.


a good flush out then  :D .........might be good to drain the carbs aswell  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: nickodemon on 16 September 2012, 10:38:55 AM
Going to do that this morning. Let you know how i get on.
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: nickodemon on 16 September 2012, 07:30:42 PM
Flushed the tank out. The fuel had loads of rusted flakes of metal in it, so i completely drained the tank and carb float bowls. Filled the tank with fresh fuel and went for a spin. To begin with it was pretty spluttery, but i think that was down to the fact carbs were drained and new fuel filter fitted. After about a 1/4 mile the bike ran sweet. Went out again this evening and same again revved out perfectly. I will hold back jumping for joy until i have used it for a few days, but it seems to be running much better :)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 16 September 2012, 07:38:10 PM
Flushed the tank out. The fuel had loads of rusted flakes of metal in it, so i completely drained the tank and carb float bowls. Filled the tank with fresh fuel and went for a spin. To begin with it was pretty spluttery, but i think that was down to the fact carbs were drained and new fuel filter fitted. After about a 1/4 mile the bike ran sweet. Went out again this evening and same again revved out perfectly. I will hold back jumping for joy until i have used it for a few days, but it seems to be running much better :)


fingers crossed for you matey  ;) .....give us the good news at the end of the week  :D [size=78%] [/size]
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 17 September 2012, 07:23:43 PM
Cmon red?...put us out of us misery?....is it sorted? :rolleyes
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 17 September 2012, 07:31:32 PM
mmmmmmmmmmm not good :\ ...................at last i had some spare time in the garage :D  i used the colour tune on three of the four cylinders (cant seam to reach cyl 3 easily) and set a little bit rich, iam more or less on 5 turns  :\  so start it up and i have a big stutter at 5/6000 in neutral on the center stand  :\  just like hitting a rev limiter and wont pull through  :'(
 so i put the mixture screws back to 4 turns (its been running that for the last 30,000 miles) and no change :\
   ive made things worse and i dont know why  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 17 September 2012, 07:35:59 PM
right!!....try weakening it even further to see if it gets worse?...at least then you proving its fuel prob!! set them to 3 and see what happens>> :rolleyes .....
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 17 September 2012, 07:42:05 PM
right!!....try weakening it even further to see if it gets worse?...at least then you proving its fuel prob!! set them to 3 and see what happens>> :rolleyes .....

[size=78%]hi crh.....just closed the garage door and walked away [/size] :\ .........your right thats the next logical step  ;)  not tonight though ,had enough,going to have a nice long soak in the bath and parhaps a beer after  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 17 September 2012, 07:45:18 PM
dont blame you!!....dont give up though?....you come too far?? ;) ..you will get it right?.
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 17 September 2012, 07:58:35 PM
dont blame you!!....dont give up though?....you come too far?? ;) ..you will get it right?.


no not going to give up,just need a break ;) [size=78%]........i work 7 days a week during the summer and always feel a bit down at this time of year, day off on saturday so going to london to see a show followed by dinner and a few drinks [/size] :D  just what the doctor ordered  :D

[size=78%]thanks for your support CRH when the old girl is purrrrrrrrrring again that will be one big drink iou [/size] :)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Fazerider on 17 September 2012, 08:13:46 PM
I balanced the carbs on mine this afternoon. While hooking up the vacuum gauges to the take-off points on the inlet manifolds I found the little rubber caps had perished quite badly:
(http://s19.postimage.org/vjf8z8ktf/P1060932.jpg)
I don't think they'd quite gone all the way through, the one I tried sucking on was OK anyway... I didn't test the others 'cos I didn't like the taste. :)
As a precaution I smeared some silicone sealant into the cracks.
With all the dismantling and checking you've been doing I don't suppose that sort of thing would have missed your notice, but thought I'd mention it anyway as a possible cause of a weak mixture.
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 17 September 2012, 08:36:10 PM
right!!....try weakening it even further to see if it gets worse?...at least then you proving its fuel prob!! set them to 3 and see what happens>> :rolleyes .....
did somebody mention the word fuel perchance?.....and we know what that passes through don`t we?...no Clive, not just fuel lines !! :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 17 September 2012, 08:39:57 PM
I balanced the carbs on mine this afternoon. While hooking up the vacuum gauges to the take-off points on the inlet manifolds I found the little rubber caps had perished quite badly:
([url]http://s19.postimage.org/vjf8z8ktf/P1060932.jpg[/url])
I don't think they'd quite gone all the way through, the one I tried sucking on was OK anyway... I didn't test the others 'cos I didn't like the taste. :)
As a precaution I smeared some silicone sealant into the cracks.
With all the dismantling and checking you've been doing I don't suppose that sort of thing would have missed your notice, but thought I'd mention it anyway as a possible cause of a weak mixture.



well spotted fazerider :) [size=78%]......a split like that would indeed affect the mixture big time,mine are ok,but will double check to make sure ,just need to backtrack a bit now and see what i find[/size] ;)  thanks for your input matey,did you notice the difference now your carbs are all pulling together  :D
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 17 September 2012, 08:43:19 PM
right!!....try weakening it even further to see if it gets worse?...at least then you proving its fuel prob!! set them to 3 and see what happens>> :rolleyes .....
did somebody mention the word fuel perchance?.....and we know what that passes through don`t we?...no Clive, not just fuel lines !! :lol :lol :lol


hi ade ,still hoovering then  ;) ..........i think the greatest moment in you life is just around the corner ;) [size=78%]..........CRH its over to you !!!![/size]
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 17 September 2012, 08:51:14 PM
right!!....try weakening it even further to see if it gets worse?...at least then you proving its fuel prob!! set them to 3 and see what happens>> :rolleyes .....
did somebody mention the word fuel perchance?.....and we know what that passes through don`t we?...no Clive, not just fuel lines !! :lol :lol :lol


hi ade ,still hoovering then  ;) ..........i think the greatest moment in you life is just around the corner ;) [size=78%]..........CRH its over to you !!!![/size]
hoovering? :rolleyes ......Clive is weakening. the force is strong though :rollin :rollin :rollin  seriously matey, 5 turns is a big no no. did you pull the plugs out of curiosity to see if they were jet black with chimney soot :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 17 September 2012, 09:13:38 PM
ime still thinking i am?...yes the force is strong!! ...got me waterproofs, sterodent, tissues ALL on standby ade!! :b ....just incase? :'( .....red?....dont forget the carbs i got stripped?...you need owt boyfriend they yours!! ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 17 September 2012, 09:17:14 PM
right!!....try weakening it even further to see if it gets worse?...at least then you proving its fuel prob!! set them to 3 and see what happens>> :rolleyes .....
did somebody mention the word fuel perchance?.....and we know what that passes through don`t we?...no Clive, not just fuel lines !! :lol :lol :lol


hi ade ,still hoovering then  ;) ..........i think the greatest moment in you life is just around the corner ;) [size=78%]..........CRH its over to you !!!![/size]
hoovering? :rolleyes ......Clive is weakening. the force is strong though :rollin :rollin :rollin  seriously matey, 5 turns is a big no no. did you pull the plugs out of curiosity to see if they were jet black with chimney soot :lol :lol :lol


the plugs did have a white tinge before i started but not checked since running on 5 turns,will look tomorrow  ;)
clives gone quite.........no doubt busy flossing and brushing  :rolleyes
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 17 September 2012, 09:20:59 PM
already answered mate?...not gone quiet?...just looking on route planner! best way t ades?
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 17 September 2012, 09:28:52 PM
already answered mate?...not gone quiet?...just looking on route planner! best way t ades?
just head due south, prison bitch! :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin and dont forget the elmlea !!
 
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 17 September 2012, 09:41:31 PM
double whipp uhf spray already in top box matey?.... :b ....not looking good f me is it..
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 17 September 2012, 10:16:35 PM
double whipp uhf spray already in top box matey?.... :b ....not looking good f me is it..
`fraid not mate............5 turns ! whoopy-doo :eek  night night
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Fazerider on 17 September 2012, 10:59:22 PM

well spotted fazerider :)  ......a split like that would indeed affect the mixture big time,mine are ok,but will double check to make sure ,just need to backtrack a bit now and see what i find ;)  thanks for your input matey,did you notice the difference now your carbs are all pulling together  :D
Haven't had the time to test it yet, Red.
The bike's been misfiring very occasionally, not just missing a beat but quite violent... a neutral throttle, chugging along at about 3000rpm and suddenly it's like a cylinder has fired 45º early and pushes backwards. Saturday, I went through most of the electrics, cleaning and tightening the odd suspect connection and did the carb balance and TPS today.
The fact that the misfire only happens when the throttle is near closed made a carb balance an obvious thing to do (particularly 'cos I hate doing that job and had put it off until it was long overdue), but they weren't really that far out of adjustment. So, I can't say I've found anything that really looks like the cause of the problem yet. Anyway, I'll find out soon enough. Though not tomorrow. When I work on the bike the fecking car gets jealous and so blew it's  exhaust as I set off to visit my mum yesterday. :rollin


Enjoy your day off, sounds like it's well-deserved. :)



Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 18 September 2012, 06:53:13 AM
a day of thinking for me i think.......ive made it worse  :\  so i must be close ;) .........must be carbs  :) .
 one thing i did`nt check after adjusting the shims and putting the head back on was the valve clearences to see if they are correct  ;)  should be and only adjusted by 0.05mm .......probs check though ;) .
 might check ebay for good carbs that i can see in action on the bike  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 18 September 2012, 10:31:10 AM
like i said earlier red you welcome to any carb bits you need mate?....got a set stripped!!....mabe chk fuel floats and there heights ?
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 18 September 2012, 11:10:20 AM
like i said earlier red you welcome to any carb bits you need mate?....got a set stripped!!....mabe chk fuel floats and there heights ?
dirty dawg.......morning Clive. just killing a bit ov time til guy drops off his gixxer ( clutch jobbie ). carbs eh? who`d have guessed in a zillion years :lol :lol :lol :lol  when `ole Red said he`s getting close ............does he mean to `blowing it up` ? :rollin :rollin :rollin  sorry Red. dont be a tight wad, put screws to 2 turns, fistful of bigger jets and go from there with the new k+n. ya no ya wanna big boy !! ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 18 September 2012, 11:20:45 AM
know what ya mean there ade ? but!!!!!.....he still got std can on his?..understand if he,d a changed his can and needed a fuel tweeky but shurely not on std???????????? :rolleyes .......ime now thinking fuel float settings???? what ya think there big boy :b
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 18 September 2012, 01:31:48 PM

well spotted fazerider :)  ......a split like that would indeed affect the mixture big time,mine are ok,but will double check to make sure ,just need to backtrack a bit now and see what i find ;)  thanks for your input matey,did you notice the difference now your carbs are all pulling together  :D
Haven't had the time to test it yet, Red.
The bike's been misfiring very occasionally, not just missing a beat but quite violent... a neutral throttle, chugging along at about 3000rpm and suddenly it's like a cylinder has fired 45º early and pushes backwards.
Saturday, I went through most of the electrics, cleaning and tightening the odd suspect connection and did the carb balance and TPS today.
The fact that the misfire only happens when the throttle is near closed made a carb balance an obvious thing to do (particularly 'cos I hate doing that job and had put it off until it was long overdue), but they weren't really that far out of adjustment. So, I can't say I've found anything that really looks like the cause of the problem yet. Anyway, I'll find out soon enough. Though not tomorrow. When I work on the bike the fecking car gets jealous and so blew it's  exhaust as I set off to visit my mum yesterday. :rollin


Enjoy your day off, sounds like it's well-deserved. :)
 
 
cheers matey..........yes ,time ti let my hair down (if i had any) :rollin :rollin :rollin .......sounds like we have simular cars aswell  :rolleyes :rolleyes
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 18 September 2012, 01:35:22 PM
still thinking  :rolleyes :rolleyes
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 18 September 2012, 02:43:11 PM
chk ya float levels!!!!!!!!!!!! ;) ....if it is that your mixture screws need to be that far out?...just mabe that its sruggling to get the amount of fuel it needs on correct settings?..hence why it needs tb 4 t 5 out!!...  ;) ... no stutter up to 5 t 6k ?...but when you want the rest?....stutter!!...top end fuel starvation!!...only 4 things to cause it?....fuel filter, sliders not opening fully,diaphrams, low fuel levels in float bowls!!...just my 2penneth b4 the blade blows me away????...
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 18 September 2012, 03:12:21 PM
chk ya float levels!!!!!!!!!!!! ;) ....if it is that your mixture screws need to be that far out?...just mabe that its sruggling to get the amount of fuel it needs on correct settings?..hence why it needs tb 4 t 5 out!!...  ;) ... no stutter up to 5 t 6k ?...but when you want the rest?....stutter!!...top end fuel starvation!!...only 4 things to cause it?....fuel filter, sliders not opening fully,diaphrams, low fuel levels in float bowls!!...just my 2penneth b4 the blade blows me away????...

ok matey,you`ve helped me out on this stutter problem so i`ll try and get you out of a hole  :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes .....ive not checked the float heights so seeing as i have to almost remove the carbs to adjust no3 mixture screw i might as well take them off again ,re-set the mixture screws and check the float heights at same time  ;) ...i have already by-passed the fuel filter by inserting a peice of straight tube in place of the filter and it made no difference,filter back in place now  ;) .........not sure if i have time tonight as have to go to tesco to take a picture.................classic  :D
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 18 September 2012, 03:15:58 PM
cheers f that mate?...dont realy fancy a ...gob full...off atb!! :b ...yes seen the ..classic?..you doin what i think your gonna do??????????????
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 18 September 2012, 03:45:20 PM
cheers f that mate?...dont realy fancy a ...gob full...off atb!! :b ...yes seen the ..classic?..you doin what i think your gonna do??????????????

 
yeeeeeeeeeeeep..........bet iam not the only one :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 18 September 2012, 04:20:37 PM
cheers f that mate?...dont realy fancy a ...gob full...off atb!! :b ...yes seen the ..classic?..you doin what i think your gonna do??????????????

 
yeeeeeeeeeeeep..........bet iam not the only one :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
.......great stuff!!!!!!!! :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 18 September 2012, 06:42:17 PM
cheers f that mate?...dont realy fancy a ...gob full...off atb!! :b ...yes seen the ..classic?..you doin what i think your gonna do??????????????

 
yeeeeeeeeeeeep..........bet iam not the only one :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
.......great stuff!!!!!!!! :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :lol
,,,ps, dont f,get ya points card??? :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 18 September 2012, 08:10:37 PM
damm.....forgot my card  :\  got the picture though  :rolleyes  did`nt look stupid at all  :rolleyes ........cant get it on here at mo will try later  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 18 September 2012, 08:14:54 PM
cant wait!!.....your welcome to any carb bits you need if it is them thats at fault?
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 18 September 2012, 09:00:18 PM
cant wait!!.....your welcome to any carb bits you need if it is them thats at fault?


looks like iam heading that way  ;)  is it a complete set you have in bits ?  :)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 18 September 2012, 10:09:23 PM
cant wait!!.....your welcome to any carb bits you need if it is them thats at fault?


looks like iam heading that way  ;)  is it a complete set you have in bits ?  :)
.....almost?.....2 diaphrams and sliders plus the small rubber external link pipes used!..if it is you do need owt let me know and ile send it you? they came off a good running bike but got wiped out by a cage!! he picked up another fazer and needed a few bits off the bent one to get the new one up and running?...and i ended up with quite a few good spares!!...
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 19 September 2012, 09:15:12 PM
hey, ade saw your veras" twin sister today !!..bit bent though,?  had ran up arse of a stationary van!!...not a pretty sight?..rider ok though?....cause?...fkn overloaded?...he had everything strapped on it but kitchen sink!!...sat side a road fag on and :'( ........
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 19 September 2012, 10:15:54 PM
hey, ade saw your veras" twin sister today !!..bit bent though,?  had ran up arse of a stationary van!!...not a pretty sight?..rider ok though?....cause?...fkn overloaded?...he had everything strapped on it but kitchen sink!!...sat side a road fag on and :'( ........
watching too much of that charley boorman caper leads to bike overloads :lol :lol :lol . i bet he was crying. do you know how scarce 2nd or even 3rd hand good forks are?  :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: nickodemon on 19 September 2012, 10:16:08 PM
Bike is still running really well after draining tank and replacing fuel filter. The only bad bit is it's now putting out more power than before and the clutch slips slightly  :\ or the back wheel is spinning up :lol . Adjusted the clutch and lever, so will see if that helps. I can't think of anything to add to help you get you bike running better other than getting a set of carbs off fleabay and fitting them to eliminate the carbs. Then coils / ignition etc.... Speaking of ignitions it's not uncommon for them to f**k up from time to time.
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 20 September 2012, 03:40:11 PM
cant wait!!.....your welcome to any carb bits you need if it is them thats at fault?


looks like iam heading that way  ;)  is it a complete set you have in bits ?  :)
.....almost?.....2 diaphrams and sliders plus the small rubber external link pipes used!..if it is you do need owt let me know and ile send it you? they came off a good running bike but got wiped out by a cage!! he picked up another fazer and needed a few bits off the bent one to get the new one up and running?...and i ended up with quite a few good spares!!...

hi CRH...think iam going to need complete carbs :\ .....i have the parts you have missing on my spare carbs ,would you sell me the complete carbs and i can make a good set from the two  ;)  if yes let me know how much (inc postage)you want for them  :D
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 20 September 2012, 05:15:15 PM
i want nothing for them mate!!...you just pay the postage and that will be fine!!...didnt cost me anything !..just glad to help you owt?....ile sort them out and parcel them up ,take them to p,office and get them weighed?..then ...pm you if you want or give you a ring?..up to you mate?
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 20 September 2012, 05:23:41 PM
i want nothing for them mate!!...you just pay the postage and that will be fine!!...didnt cost me anything !..just glad to help you owt?....ile sort them out and parcel them up ,take them to p,office and get them weighed?..then ...pm you if you want or give you a ring?..up to you mate?

 
your a star  :D ......pm me when you have a price and also let me how you want paying...paypal/cheque etc ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 20 September 2012, 05:30:05 PM
i want nothing for them mate!!...you just pay the postage and that will be fine!!...didnt cost me anything !..just glad to help you owt?....ile sort them out and parcel them up ,take them to p,office and get them weighed?..then ...pm you if you want or give you a ring?..up to you mate?

 
your a star  :D ......pm me when you have a price and also let me how you want paying...paypal/cheque etc ;)
....ok no prob!!...ile sort them out tomorrow if i get time?...got hospital in morning!!...
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 21 September 2012, 06:44:22 AM
i want nothing for them mate!!...you just pay the postage and that will be fine!!...didnt cost me anything !..just glad to help you owt?....ile sort them out and parcel them up ,take them to p,office and get them weighed?..then ...pm you if you want or give you a ring?..up to you mate?

 
your a star  :D ......pm me when you have a price and also let me how you want paying...paypal/cheque etc ;)
....ok no prob!!...ile sort them out tomorrow if i get time?...got hospital in morning!!...

cheers matey.................nothing serious at hospital i hope........hows swmbo.doing since the accident ?
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 21 September 2012, 12:15:35 PM
red cant seem to pm you!!!! send me your post code!!!!!!!
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 21 September 2012, 02:41:35 PM
i want nothing for them mate!!...you just pay the postage and that will be fine!!...didnt cost me anything !..just glad to help you owt?....ile sort them out and parcel them up ,take them to p,office and get them weighed?..then ...pm you if you want or give you a ring?..up to you mate?

 
your a star  :D ......pm me when you have a price and also let me how you want paying...paypal/cheque etc ;)
....ok no prob!!...ile sort them out tomorrow if i get time?...got hospital in morning!!...

cheers matey.................nothing serious at hospital i hope........hows swmbo.doing since the accident ?
..she,s ok thanks red!!...gone through pain barrier now?,,,,just wish she didnt moan all the time though?? :\ :\ ... :lol no nothing serious at hospital?,just a chk up for me meniers!!..
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 22 September 2012, 10:08:35 PM
i want nothing for them mate!!...you just pay the postage and that will be fine!!...didnt cost me anything !..just glad to help you owt?....ile sort them out and parcel them up ,take them to p,office and get them weighed?..then ...pm you if you want or give you a ring?..up to you mate?

 
 
your a star  :D ......pm me when you have a price and also let me how you want paying...paypal/cheque etc ;)
....ok no prob!!...ile sort them out tomorrow if i get time?...got hospital in morning!!...

cheers matey.................nothing serious at hospital i hope........hows swmbo.doing since the accident ?
..she,s ok thanks red!!...gone through pain barrier now?,,,,just wish she didnt moan all the time though?? :\ :\ ... :lol no nothing serious at hospital?,just a chk up for me meniers!!..
 
 
dont worry about the moaning  :D ...............they all do that  :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 22 September 2012, 10:12:02 PM
after a week of thinking i have decided to swap the carbs with known good-uns  :D  kindly supplied by CRH,cheers matey ;) ....will swap next weekend,work permitting  :D
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 22 September 2012, 10:13:02 PM
been getting withdrawel symptoms, not bein able to get on site?...still cant get on through g,chrome?..see atb,s round corner mate?....watch what you say matey?????????? ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 22 September 2012, 10:40:36 PM
yes know what you mean  :\ ......like a coiled spring  ;) .......think i would rather have a stutter than be in your shoes  :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 22 September 2012, 10:49:55 PM
Mmmmmm?...its not that am bothered bout realy?... :\ ....its what he,s expecting? :b ....anyway?.....it could just be like we both where thinking  all along mate?....carb/fuel probs?.... :rolleyes ..... ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 23 September 2012, 08:33:32 AM
Mmmmmm?...its not that am bothered bout realy?... :\ ....its what he,s expecting? :b ....anyway?.....it could just be like we both where thinking  all along mate?....carb/fuel probs?.... :rolleyes ..... ;)






mmmmmmmmmmm...yes,i slipped up with my first set of carbs :o  should have just fitted them and seen what happens instead of stripping /cleaning to see what i had  :rolleyes still your carbs with the known history is the right thing to do now and i will order a new fuel filter today  :) [size=78%]..............site seams to be working well this morning and i have another day off[/size] :D :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 23 September 2012, 10:25:39 AM
Mmmmmm?...its not that am bothered bout realy?... :\ ....its what he,s expecting? :b ....anyway?.....it could just be like we both where thinking  all along mate?....carb/fuel probs?.... :rolleyes ..... ;)
my arse :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin what was that song wings used to sing?..........oh yes , JET !! :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol  OH AND GOOD MORNING.
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 23 September 2012, 11:27:33 AM
morning ade......nearly pay day ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 23 September 2012, 12:12:26 PM
morning ade......nearly pay day ;)
complete with monthly bonus !! ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 23 September 2012, 03:01:46 PM
Mmmmmm?...its not that am bothered bout realy?... :\ ....its what he,s expecting? :b ....anyway?.....it could just be like we both where thinking  all along mate?....carb/fuel probs?.... :rolleyes ..... ;)
my arse :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin what was that song wings used to sing?..........oh yes , JET !! :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol  OH AND GOOD MORNING.
you was right red?....looks like atb wants all the ...GLORY!!!! :rolleyes ....ide better chk out another forum?...he,s never going to lett me f,get?...is he? :\ ......ade?..got me baby wipes and vaseline ready!!! :\
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 23 September 2012, 06:49:38 PM
see atb.s been giving you some sh.t mate?.....bit a jealousy i think? ;) .....plus the fact ..WE..live in the father land !!...and he,s in the outback!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 23 September 2012, 07:02:05 PM
see atb.s been giving you some sh.t mate?.....bit a jealousy i think? ;) .....plus the fact ..WE..live in the father land !!...and he,s in the outback!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin






he can give me as much siht as he likes  ;)  at the end of the day i like most people on here,HAVE A FAZER  :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 23 September 2012, 07:12:02 PM
well said mate ;) .....well said!...bt time you put him in his place!! :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 23 September 2012, 07:32:22 PM
well said mate ;) .....well said!...bt time you put him in his place!! :lol






MMMMMMMMMMMMM......no reply yet  :rolleyes
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 23 September 2012, 07:40:39 PM
well said mate ;) .....well said!...bt time you put him in his place!! :lol






MMMMMMMMMMMMM......no reply yet  :rolleyes
....give him time mate??...bet he,s looking in his phrase book"...what the english is for ....wa k..rs.!!!! :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 23 September 2012, 07:50:00 PM
well said mate ;) .....well said!...bt time you put him in his place!! :lol






MMMMMMMMMMMMM......no reply yet  :rolleyes
....give him time mate??...bet he,s looking in his phrase book"...what the english is for ....wa k..rs.!!!! :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin






 :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 23 September 2012, 09:03:39 PM
red mate?....atb just signed in?....am off !!!!!!!!! :eek .....talk t u tmra! ;) .......................................
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 23 September 2012, 09:05:31 PM
no backbone that guy :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 23 September 2012, 09:18:55 PM
early night for CRH  ;) ......saving his energy for the big day  :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 23 September 2012, 09:22:19 PM
red?...just seen atb sneak out back door!! :rolleyes ....obviously cant face the two of us!!!....coward! ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 23 September 2012, 10:07:41 PM
 :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes  nighty night
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 24 September 2012, 07:05:56 PM
you can certainly feel the tension between red and the blade folks!! :rolleyes ....slowly but surely getting to the nitty gritty time?....WHO..will be right?... will it be red98...who,s pure determination and endurance over these frustrating weeks..find the truth behind the.....stttttttuter?....or will it be ade the blade"...who,s vast knowledge of motorcycles going back to the invention of the wheel...and of cause ...high heels n pencil skirts!!...come out on top??....WATCH THIS SPACE :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 24 September 2012, 07:47:48 PM
get it right Clive............its slingbacks (cerise preferably ) :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin . have ya sent Red those carbs yet mate ?
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 24 September 2012, 07:54:22 PM
get it right Clive............its slingbacks (cerise preferably ) :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin . have ya sent Red those carbs yet mate ?
...yes i may have sent red a parcel?...the contents of are motorcycle parts"...of which ime not at liberty to discus? 8) ......
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 24 September 2012, 08:01:55 PM
was it about matchbox size ?  does it contain just 4 main jets ?  :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 24 September 2012, 08:07:49 PM
was it about matchbox size ?  does it contain just 4 main jets ?  :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
...my lips are sealed :rolleyes
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 24 September 2012, 08:12:42 PM
"my lips are sealed".........but for how long matey,its getting very close  :rollin :rollin :rollin


spent an hour in the garage tonight and removed the carbs ready for the swap,also ordered a new fuel filter at weekend so should get that tomorrow  :D


ades mentioned jets,i am guessing that they will be standard......do you know CRH  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 24 September 2012, 08:16:18 PM
ive no idea matey, would have thought std cus bike hadnt been fkd with....notice the quizzing ,hes loving this isnt he?
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 24 September 2012, 08:25:34 PM
like a kid on christmas eve............is santa stopping at ades house this year ?  ;) has he been a good boy  ?   ;) and what would ade like like as a little treat ?  :D






stand back crh.....this is going to hurt you more than it is me  :eek [size=78%] [/size]
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 24 September 2012, 08:29:54 PM
ime quite aware of that red? :'( ....you didnt have to remind me!!!!!!!!!!! :'( <<again!!...been checking other forums out ready for the big one!! :rolleyes .....looks like ile be getting a bandit? :'( .....
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 24 September 2012, 08:50:55 PM
ime quite aware of that red? :'( ....you didnt have to remind me!!!!!!!!!!! :'( <<again!!...been checking other forums out ready for the big one!! :rolleyes .....looks like ile be getting a bandit? :'( .....





[size=78%]no   no   no   no..........not a bandit [/size] :'( :'( :'(  your better off where you are  :D
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 24 September 2012, 08:57:54 PM
i know ure right red but?.....dont think i can take the humiliation?...specialy at my time a life?...its all right for him,he,s been drawing his pension for years!!..so hes used to it?...plus all the gay clubs he features in on satday nights?....ile see mabe a chinese scoot then hey? :'(
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 24 September 2012, 09:19:34 PM
hold on crh...dont do it...................its going to be at least weds before i get the carbs,then i have to swap a few parts over and fit them  ;) .......your thinking very negative , almost as if you have given up.. :eek    this may not solve the stutter  :\
    ade could be doing you a favour  ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 24 September 2012, 09:24:17 PM
hold on crh...dont do it...................its going to be at least weds before i get the carbs,then i have to swap a few parts over and fit them  ;) .......your thinking very negative , almost as if you have given up.. :eek    this may not solve the stutter  :\
    ade could be doing you a favour  ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
...i think we both feel it will? :\ ....just preping meslf mate?....i can here him laughing in welsh now?...preping himself for the slaughter!!!!!!!!!!!! :'(
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 25 September 2012, 06:53:39 AM
mmmmmmmmmmmm.....like a lamb to the slaughter  :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Dead Eye on 25 September 2012, 12:36:18 PM
Talk about comedy club ;)

I still read this thread for 1. to hope red solves it and 2. for the drama and performance - the tension is building :P
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 25 September 2012, 01:15:05 PM
iam getting a lot of enjoyment and laughter myself  :D  possibly more than the last10 years of riding the bike  :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 25 September 2012, 07:38:35 PM
red?...not heard owt off the blade mate?...the force feels strong though!!...ya dont think as we speak he,s on his way to claim his prize do ya :eek ....
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 25 September 2012, 07:44:07 PM
yeh....was thinking the same  ;)  probs  at post office to get his passport  :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 25 September 2012, 07:49:11 PM
tell ya what mate?...ile fkn freak if he turns up in his cerease slingbacks and hot pants!!!!! :\ .....
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 25 September 2012, 08:04:11 PM
tell ya what mate?...ile fkn freak if he turns up in his cerease slingbacks and hot pants!!!!! :\ .....




with shawn under his arm grinning from ear to ear (ade not shawn) :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 25 September 2012, 08:11:49 PM
not bothered bt shawn mate!!...grizzley me rotty will sort him out!! ;) ..... besides that, who wants sloppy seconds. :lol .....he can baaalocks""
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 26 September 2012, 08:35:39 AM
morning red!!....you should get the (4 the benefit of atb) chain n sprockets" today?.....ps still not heard from the gaylord? :b
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 26 September 2012, 09:13:49 AM
hi matey...."chain and sprockets" i wanted headers and end can...sure thats the problem  :rollin :rollin :rollin
 doing a little job on the house while i wait...........do you know anything about cctv as i have heard theres an expert on here  :rolleyes :rolleyes
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 26 September 2012, 09:18:47 AM
dont fkn start me off?....what gets me is?..he states hes a expert" so all i did was refer to his title?...and the reason i called him a snob was?...because he rides a gen 2" he stated that the forum is now just for ...old...600 owners with attitude??...now u tell me if thats not being a fkn snob??..and yet every fkr backs him up!!!...so fk them too!!!
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 26 September 2012, 10:05:47 AM
ah..........................i`ll ask an expert then  :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Dead Eye on 26 September 2012, 10:49:47 AM
I'm not old nor do I have attitude (at least I don't think so) - use that to prove whoever made the comment, wrong :P I read every single post of every thread in this FZS600 section - I don't think I've actually been to any other part of the site haha
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 26 September 2012, 03:13:37 PM
I'm not old nor do I have attitude (at least I don't think so) - use that to prove whoever made the comment, wrong :P I read every single post of every thread in this FZS600 section - I don't think I've actually been to any other part of the site haha

 
600`s much more popular than the 1000`s  :D ............funny bunch those thou owners :rolleyes :rolleyes .....i would stay well away if i were you  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Dead Eye on 26 September 2012, 07:32:21 PM
Aren't you a thou owner as well? :P
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 26 September 2012, 08:38:12 PM
Aren't you a thou owner as well? :P




ohhhhhhhhhhh yessssssssssssssssss...............................told you they are a bit funny ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 26 September 2012, 08:45:26 PM
Aren't you a thou owner as well? :P




ohhhhhhhhhhh yessssssssssssssssss...............................told you they are a bit funny ;)
....i got one as well?....well 3/4 of one at least :rolleyes
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 26 September 2012, 09:11:19 PM
Aren't you a thou owner as well? :P




ohhhhhhhhhhh yessssssssssssssssss...............................told you they are a bit funny ;)
....i got one as well?....well 3/4 of one at least :rolleyes




see what i mean DEADEYE......................funny........very funny ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 26 September 2012, 09:15:15 PM
red?...remember this?....your fkr will ware out b4 mine :lol ......and mines a better colour than yours ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 27 September 2012, 06:22:36 AM
red?...remember this?....your fkr will ware out b4 mine :lol ......and mines a better colour than yours ;)






i dont think so CRH  ;) ........MINES A SILVER ONE AND THE FASTEST COLOUR  :D ......how you getting on with yours :)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 27 September 2012, 08:49:59 AM
red?...remember this?....your fkr will ware out b4 mine :lol ......and mines a better colour than yours ;)






i dont think so CRH  ;) ........MINES A SILVER ONE AND THE FASTEST COLOUR  :D ......how you getting on with yours :)
thought you said...reds the fastest"..oh well :\ ..need fork seals, noticed crack in that replacement wheel i bought :'( .starter motor bit hit n miss!!,..and the immobilizer faulty as fk?.(another lecy issue)...plus ime still not happy with the noise the engine makes on idle!!...going to listen to another b4 ime sure!!..defo not a clutch issue!!...
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: kebab19 on 27 September 2012, 10:26:54 AM
Tried to read this thread but sidetracked by the vast amount of dribbling

Rather than wade through 32 pages (and counting) I'd rather just cut to the chase & ask:
Did you ever find a solution to your bike's stuttering problem?
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 27 September 2012, 11:46:40 AM
Tried to read this thread but sidetracked by the vast amount of dribbling

Rather than wade through 32 pages (and counting) I'd rather just cut to the chase & ask:
Did you ever find a solution to your bike's stuttering problem?

 
 
"dribbling".....................no dribbling on here that i`ve noticed  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 27 September 2012, 11:58:42 AM
update .......for all you foccers following this long winded thread  :rolleyes :rolleyes
 
still have the stutter......a worse one than i started with  :\ ....bike stutters at 6000rpm on the centre stand....just like hitting the rev limiter....wont pull through  :\
 
things ive tryed so far....................

replace carb to head inlet rubbers
replaced plugs
re-newed plug caps
replaced coils (2)
checked/replaced tps
replaced ecu
balanced carbs.....4 times
fitted replacement diaphrams and jets (std parts).......ade you watching........
replaced head gasket
reground all 16 valves (to fix low compression on 2 cylinders)
check and adjust valve clearences
replaced air filter (k+n)
replace fuel filter.....( this weekend )
 
and probs a few other items that ive forgotten
all old parts re-fitted if found to be good
 
next step is to swap carbs with known good-uns.....possibly this weekend
after that................................................jets,maybe......or back to checking electrics
 
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Andy FZS on 27 September 2012, 12:12:20 PM
I wonder what the record for the longest running post is? Dribbling or otherwise? I'm not an expert  :rolleyes so I don't know.
Andy :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 27 September 2012, 12:26:39 PM
I wonder what the record for the longest running post is? Dribbling or otherwise? I'm not an expert  :rolleyes so I don't know.
Andy :lol

 
 
 
oh   oh  oh........there was an expert on here yesterday  :rolleyes :rolleyes .......claimed to know a lot about cctv....but thats another story  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: kebab19 on 27 September 2012, 01:21:13 PM
Is your airbox structurally intact and forming a good seal, or are your carb rubbers perished anywhere?

Is your CDI unit fine? Not the same bike, I know, but I had an old FZR600 that used to miss sporadically around 6000rpm, usually just when I was overtaking.  Tried everything to resolve that PITA before I borrowed another CDI
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Fazerider on 27 September 2012, 02:02:59 PM
Did the engine manage to get past the 6000 rpm barrier before you sorted out the compression problem?
Just wondering if the inlet and/or exhaust cam might have ended up one notch out.
Have you tried a timing light to see when the sparks are occurring and whether they advance as the revs rise?
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 27 September 2012, 02:18:44 PM
Is your airbox structurally intact and forming a good seal, or are your carb rubbers perished anywhere?

Is your CDI unit fine? Not the same bike, I know, but I had an old FZR600 that used to miss sporadically around 6000rpm, usually just when I was overtaking.  Tried everything to resolve that PITA before I borrowed another CDI

 
hi kebab :D ........forgot to put on list :\ ........first thing i replaced.....carb to head rubbers,very badly cracked but not all the way through,new ones on now :D ,air box as good as new :D
 
as for the cdi.......and iam not quite sure on this,but did`nt the ecu take the place of the cdi ?......will check dr haynes later on tonight...thats the sort of thing i`ll be checking if the carb swap dos`nt sort the problem ;) .........thanks for your input :)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 27 September 2012, 02:23:26 PM
Did the engine manage to get past the 6000 rpm barrier before you sorted out the compression problem?
Just wondering if the inlet and/or exhaust cam might have ended up one notch out.
Have you tried a timing light to see when the sparks are occurring and whether they advance as the revs rise?

 
hi fazerider.....yes it did pass the stutter before i had the head off,not quite getting to the red line though  :\
i`ll do the carb swap and if that dos`nt work i`ll check the timing.....again :\
   thanks for your thoughts  :)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: His Dudeness on 27 September 2012, 05:20:40 PM
If I was you I'd take the plugs out clean them and then stick them back in and rev it until it starts to stutter. Then kill the engine as its stuttering and take out the plugs again. That will give you a good idea of what's happening while its stuttering. It seems like for all your good work your still non the wiser as to what's happening as its stuttering. Is it flooding or leaning out?
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 28 September 2012, 09:22:38 AM
If I was you I'd take the plugs out clean them and then stick them back in and rev it until it starts to stutter. Then kill the engine as its stuttering and take out the plugs again. That will give you a good idea of what's happening while its stuttering. It seems like for all your good work your still non the wiser as to what's happening as its stuttering. Is it flooding or leaning out?

 
yes good point DUDE :D .........i did take it to the stutter when i had the colour tune fitted and it did look fine,just edging on the rich side ;) .......should learn more with the replacement carbs....stuck in the post at moment  :\
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 28 September 2012, 09:27:53 AM
red?...remember this?....your fkr will ware out b4 mine :lol ......and mines a better colour than yours ;)

 





i dont think so CRH  ;) ........MINES A SILVER ONE AND THE FASTEST COLOUR  :D ......how you getting on with yours :)
thought you said...reds the fastest"..oh well :\ ..need fork seals, noticed crack in that replacement wheel i bought :'( .starter motor bit hit n miss!!,..and the immobilizer faulty as fk?.(another lecy issue)...plus ime still not happy with the noise the engine makes on idle!!...going to listen to another b4 ime sure!!..defo not a clutch issue!!...

 
clive, me old mate :D .......now, i much admire you knowledge for all things mechanical :) but you have got a bit mixed up on your colours :\ :\ :\ ..............RED is indeed the fastest colour :D ...............if you have a 600.....the rules change with the thou though ;) .....silver is then the fastest :D .....let me know if i can help you in any other way,happy to help  :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 28 September 2012, 12:30:13 PM
hi red!!...your obviously coluor blind?...but never mind?...what a fkn night i had?...they only want me to go bk to falklands with them in april?...for 2para renunion!! was going to go last year for the 30th but couldnt make it!!...cant believe it 30years since we all got together?....her indoors not to happy!! :\
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 28 September 2012, 07:29:21 PM
hi red!!...your obviously coluor blind?...but never mind?...what a fkn night i had?...they only want me to go bk to falklands with them in april?...for 2para renunion!! was going to go last year for the 30th but couldnt make it!!...cant believe it 30years since we all got together?....her indoors not to happy!! :\




no clive its not me thats colour blind  ;) ........THANK YOU for time served in falklands :) [size=78%].......remember watching on the news and hard to belive its 30 yrs ago......mixed feelings i would imagine on a return visit..............[/size]
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 28 September 2012, 07:33:18 PM
got the carbs today so a big thank you to CRH for all his trouble  :D  should have time over the weekend to do the swop ;) will update when jobs done  :) .....lazy evening tonight,chomping spare ribs and ben and jerrys finest in front of telly :D




not at the same time,we are a bit civilised here ,down south  :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 28 September 2012, 07:33:52 PM
yea!! memories hey?...good with the bad mate!!  too much bad though?....anyway?....did you get my tex?...parcel in porch??...delivered at 11.24 this morning!!
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 28 September 2012, 08:09:31 PM
yea!! memories hey?...good with the bad mate!!  too much bad though?....anyway?....did you get my tex?...parcel in porch??...delivered at 11.24 this morning!!






yes mate got text......pm`ed you....................many thanks :D
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 30 September 2012, 01:47:23 PM
morning all.........swaped the carbs this morning  :D  checked diaphrams,sliders and jets,all good with standard size jets  :)
started the old girl up and...................no change :\ [size=78%]................stutter at 6000 rpm just like hitting a rev limited [/size] :\ :\ :\
going to check the valve clearances when the engines cooled down,probs this evening and then
....................................................................dont know  :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes ........might go with ADE THE BLADE idea and go up a size on the jets.....but dont understand why this would work  :\ :\ ........................
 its very sudden when it hits the stutter almost like throwing a switch.........so iam thinking electrics ;) ive swoped ecu,coils,and tps and am now thinking.............REGULATOR/RECTIFIER............your thoughts please peoples :)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Fazerider on 30 September 2012, 04:24:26 PM
...am now thinking.............REGULATOR/RECTIFIER............your thoughts please peoples :)
It's a possibility, a voltmeter across the battery terminals should indicate whether there's a problem there. I'm sure you'd have noticed low battery if the rectifier wasn't doing it's bit, if the regulator side had failed then the voltage could rise: maybe high enough to upset the CDI unit, but usually a high supply voltage just tends to kill things like that. And you might have noticed lights getting very much brighter as the revs got higher. So, have to say it's unlikely.
Did you try the suggested plug chop after holding it at max revs for a while? That should indicate if it's a mixture problem.
Otherwise, try a timing light... that might give some clues.

Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: kebab19 on 01 October 2012, 09:58:10 AM
Disappointing.

Can u find a fellow FZS owner who can leave his bike with you for 24 hours while you swap over all electrical parts until you find the culprit? Would save you spending another small fortune replacing the wrong parts.

Beers usually do the job
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 01 October 2012, 10:14:08 AM
Disappointing.

Can u find a fellow FZS owner who can leave his bike with you for 24 hours while you swap over all electrical parts until you find the culprit? Would save you spending another small fortune replacing the wrong parts.

Beers usually do the job

 
that would be nice KEBAB......not spent too much upto now...ecu and carbs i can sell on  :D  £30 on head gasket and same on air filter :\  everything else service items  :D
 going to check the valve clerences next and probs re-fit the origanal carbs with larger jets,(YOU STILL WATCHING ADE THE BLADE)also re-check everything i`ve done so far  ;)
 after that i might have a word with the guys at pdq in taplow  ;)
 
10,000 views today  :eek :eek :eek  ...so time for me to thank all you watchers and posters who have helped me out and at times kept me going............CHEERS FOCCERS  :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 01 October 2012, 11:28:26 AM
red. sorry to here it didnt do the fix?....i will take off my fuel relay and post it to you if you want?...mabe yours faulty ??...not giving it the fuel it needs at higher rpm,s...
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 01 October 2012, 11:40:56 AM
hi crh  :D ......yeh ahame it did`nt fix it :\ ......nice offer of the relay :D  but i could`nt take advantage of you like that........as iam not welsh,.....boyo  :rollin :rollin ...........might try ades suggestion and change jets,going to find his old post and see what he used.....relay sounds plauseable aswell  ;) .......need to tidy the garage and fit a new roof in readyness to get my classic bmw back in there before the bad weather comes so might have to put it on hold for a little while :\ .....got a weeks holiday left so might take it before the end of the month and have a good old sort out/tidy up  :D  .......thanks for you help with the carbs,thats a big favour iou  :D .......que ade  :rolleyes
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 01 October 2012, 11:47:39 AM
hes been very quiet hasn,t he?...ya dont think hes been abducted by a fellow queen on one of his satday nights out do you>>> :b
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 01 October 2012, 11:52:18 AM
ps, whats bothering me is? why you cant pull a decent vacume?....paul recons you should be able to acheave between 200-240 easily?? :rolleyes
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 01 October 2012, 12:02:24 PM
afternoon....early lunch today (mid top end stripdown ) . Red mate, jets are now 2 sizes up ( stock 115 now 120). tend to just read posts now
rather than comment, especially after that cctv farce with poor old Clive. possibly getting too cliquey for my liking ( been on other forums that have gone that way. pity really :rolleyes ) keep at it matey....rest assured, i`m watching from afar from time to time ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 01 October 2012, 12:13:26 PM
afternoon....early lunch today (mid top end stripdown ) . Red mate, jets are now 2 sizes up ( stock 115 now 120). tend to just read posts now
rather than comment, especially after that cctv farce with poor old Clive. possibly getting too cliquey for my liking ( been on other forums that have gone that way. pity really :rolleyes ) keep at it matey....rest assured, i`m watching from afar from time to time ;)

 
hi ade....good to see your still with us  :D .....yeh getting very nasty that cctv post  :eek  all quite now  ;)
 was going to pm you regarding jet sizes  :D  so good timing....think i`ll put origanal carbs back on with the bigger jets and see what happens....if it works..........................................i think clive might be paying you a visit :D .............did you keep the wifes fazer or move it on  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 02 October 2012, 08:59:42 PM
working in leicester today so popped into yamaha dealer while i was up there ;) ,was going to buy 4x120 jets,2 sizes bigger ;) .......helpful chap behind the counter asked why so i went through the whole story :\ :\ :\ :\ .....told me i was wasting my time but agreed on what i had already checked and said he would have gone down the same road :D
 asked if i had tested crank position sensor but i could`nt remember if i had or not :o :o  and then he mentioned fuel pump and relay :D  which CRH has also just mentioned,rocker covers off at the moment so i can check the valve clearences just to make sure they are correct now that i have fitted new shims ;)  then i`ll bypass the fuel filter and pump and see what happens  :D
  i advised someone on here a few weeks back to try this but it did`nt occur to me at the time to try it on mine  :o :o :o
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 03 October 2012, 08:51:37 AM
offer still there mate if you want to try it?....not using mine at the mo so you welcome to try it?...been looking for a link between yours and ades ?.....did you say you changed your headers??, cus ade as stainless on his hasn,t he?....some aftermarket headers are a diff bore internally ?..and can make your engine run very weak causing top end fuel starvation!! :rolleyes .....and as ade said he never did find out why he had to re-jet??....whats been throwing me is the fact you only changed ,your filter and headers .....then the stutter>,,,,,worth a thought mabe?...cus if it is that you now need bigger jets and that solves the problem?,...thats the ...only....link between yours and his.....HEADERS!!!!!!!!!!!! ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 03 October 2012, 09:40:56 AM
hi matey.......yes been thinking about the headers  ;)  it is a big stutter :\  and i think to big for the headers alone to cause it....ive welded the origanals up and can refit to see  :) ....thanks for the offer of the loan :D ,i`ll bypass both the pump and filter at the weekend and see what happens......as for the jets ,this is what the dealer in leicester was getting at....there is no reason to change them,its worked on ades but we dont know why :\ ....mines standard,as you know,with exception of stainless headers and k+n filter,which should not need a re-jet  :\ ......once again thanks for your input :D :D :D
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Dead Eye on 03 October 2012, 10:49:52 AM
The stainless headers that  red has came from my bike which ran fine when it had them. At the time it was running a standard air filter and standard end can as well - so practically an identical setup to red

Unfortunately I don't know what make / brand they are as they came with the bike - I'll have a rummage in the old paper work and see if the previous owner kept the receipt but I don't think so :(
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 03 October 2012, 03:42:05 PM
The stainless headers that  red has came from my bike which ran fine when it had them. At the time it was running a standard air filter and standard end can as well - so practically an identical setup to red

Unfortunately I don't know what make / brand they are as they came with the bike - I'll have a rummage in the old paper work and see if the previous owner kept the receipt but I don't think so :(

thanks for that DEADEYE  :D  iam fairly certain its not the headers thats causing the stutter ;)  see what happens at the weekend when i by-pass the filter and pump :D
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 04 October 2012, 08:47:06 PM
think the only diff that ade had was a aftermarket end can?....dont know when he fitted his headers though,ie, before his trouble or after?...but he never did find out why he had to re-jet? did he?......see how you get on red?  i now know of someone with a spare fuel relay if it is that at fault?...and will let you have it cheap!!
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 05 October 2012, 06:44:06 AM
think the only diff that ade had was a aftermarket end can?....dont know when he fitted his headers though,ie, before his trouble or after?...but he never did find out why he had to re-jet? did he?......see how you get on red?  i now know of someone with a spare fuel relay if it is that at fault?...and will let you have it cheap!!


hi crh.........be out in the garage this weekend :D ...now the weathers changed iam not to keen to get out there  :( not used the thou for a couple of weeks now  :\ :\ :\ :\ .....i will however by-pass the pump and also check the valve clearences...i`ll let you know what happens......i also need to re-roof the garage before the weather gets really bad,so a big clear up this weekend  :) :) .....ill let you know about the relay,cheers mate  :D
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 07 October 2012, 11:00:02 AM
 :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o senior moment :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o


just checked the valve clearences again,not checked since i adjusted them a few weeks ago ;) gaps are way too small :eek so look back through my notes and i can see where i went wrong :b exhaust clearences were too small,so i replaced the shim with the next size UP  :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek ....SHOULD HAVE GONE DOWN  :o :o :o :o

[size=78%]the phrase dumb ass springs to mind[/size] :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes ....i took [size=78%] note of the shims i fitted so easy to change but i will check the clearences again this afternoon just to make sure[/size]

[size=78%]not done that before.......must be my age [/size] ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 07 October 2012, 07:06:49 PM
:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o senior moment :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o


just checked the valve clearences again,not checked since i adjusted them a few weeks ago ;) gaps are way too small :eek so look back through my notes and i can see where i went wrong :b exhaust clearences were too small,so i replaced the shim with the next size UP  :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek ....SHOULD HAVE GONE DOWN  :o :o :o :o

[size=78%]the phrase dumb ass springs to mind[/size] :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes ....i took [size=78%] note of the shims i fitted so easy to change but i will check the clearences again this afternoon just to make sure[/size]

[size=78%]not done that before.......must be my age [/size] ;)
....fkn knew it?..i was right you did get your date a birth wrong!!! :rolleyes :rolleyes ...you are fkn 60!!!!!...why you didnt let atb sort it out for you i dont know?.... :b ... he,d do owt for a pair of your other halfs stockings? ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 09 October 2012, 09:31:56 AM
hi, matey!...did you get it sorted then?....you dont think it was a touch of alzimers do you? :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 09 October 2012, 02:46:30 PM
hi, matey!...did you get it sorted then?....you dont think it was a touch of alzimers do you? :lol :lol :lol :lol

 
 
you could be right crh  ;) ....early stages parhaps  :eek ........need to sit down and work out what shims i need,probs do that later today and order the correct shims tonight (wemoto)  :D ...........you made any progress with your thou  :)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 09 October 2012, 02:59:42 PM
hi, matey!...did you get it sorted then?....you dont think it was a touch of alzimers do you? :lol :lol :lol :lol

 
 
you could be right crh  ;) ....early stages parhaps  :eek ........need to sit down and work out what shims i need,probs do that later today and order the correct shims tonight (wemoto)  ;) ;) :D ...........you made any progress with your thou  :)
..no mate done nothing to it since we last spoke?...have had a offer of a 1976 honda 750 four as a swap though?....with a spare bike to go with it in bits?....very,very, tempted!!!!!!!!!! ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 09 October 2012, 03:22:35 PM
hi, matey!...did you get it sorted then?....you dont think it was a touch of alzimers do you? :lol :lol :lol :lol

 
 
you could be right crh  ;) ....early stages parhaps  :eek ........need to sit down and work out what shims i need,probs do that later today and order the correct shims tonight (wemoto)  ;) ;) :D ...........you made any progress with your thou  :)
..no mate done nothing to it since we last spoke?...have had a offer of a 1976 honda 750 four as a swap though?....with a spare bike to go with it in bits?....very,very, tempted!!!!!!!!!! ;)

 
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm :D ....getting very collectable the  750s ;) .....is it up and running  :)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 09 October 2012, 07:31:20 PM
yes it runs, sounds sweet as a nut"...according to fella thats selling it?...ive yet to hear/see it?...all i know is?,its original paintwork, gold and black", 4 into 4 original pipes",and get this?,..the mileage he says he can prove!!..is only......14000.. :eek .....and the one for spares is all there apart from tyres!!..also a good runner""....to be quite honest ive never been happy with the sound of the thous engine?..ive heard 2 others and they no where as noisy as mine and they both had higher mileage??....ime viewing it friday night so will let you know what i decide? ;) ....he also tells me he has a 750 norton commando fastback but not for sale!!!!....dammmmmmmmmm :\
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 10 October 2012, 06:49:36 AM
yes it runs, sounds sweet as a nut"...according to fella thats selling it?...ive yet to hear/see it?...all i know is?,its original paintwork, gold and black", 4 into 4 original pipes",and get this?,..the mileage he says he can prove!!..is only......14000.. :eek .....and the one for spares is all there apart from tyres!!..also a good runner""....to be quite honest ive never been happy with the sound of the thous engine?..ive heard 2 others and they no where as noisy as mine and they both had higher mileage??....ime viewing it friday night so will let you know what i decide? ;) ....he also tells me he has a 750 norton commando fastback but not for sale!!!!....dammmmmmmmmm :\




the 750s sound very good  :D ...if that mileage is correct the pipes will probs be origanal honda,very rare , expensive and look great  :D [size=78%]......iam on my way with trailer and a wad of cash [/size] ;) [size=78%] would look great in the garage next to my 400/4 [/size] :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 17 October 2012, 11:04:08 AM
well i wouldn,t bother getting your trailer out red?....never seen so much rust on a bike in me life!! dont know who this fella trying to kid??...yes engine ran has he said very sweet!!...did not mention the amount of blue smoke it kicks out though?....he did say though it had been garaged all its life,and yes" he may have been telling the truth?...just wondering though?..how long the garage sat without a roof :rolleyes .....he then asked me for a grand plus my thou :eek ...told him to go away in large jerky movements! ;) ...without costing it out fully?..it needs a full restoration ,even the frames starting to rot through under the seat!!...you would end up out of pocket on this one? and the one he,s throwing in for spares is no better?..said the engine was a good runner?..couldnt even turn it over!!....and the best yet is the commando? :rolleyes ....i would be ashamed to even ride it!! :eek ...biggest load a crap ive ever seen,..and get this? he wants 4k for it, makes mine worth about 20k going on that!! :lol ...so think ile stick with the thou f now and get it finished over winter!! how you getting on with the 6.?
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 17 October 2012, 12:24:52 PM
hi crh ,trailer now back in the garage :( ...thats a bit disapointing and a bit cheeky asking for your bike and a grand  :eek ...a full restoration like that will always cost more than the bikes worth  :rolleyes  you done the best thing,just walk away  ;)
 ive just reassembled the 600 and pushed too one corner of the garage as i need to fit a new roof  :rolleyes  hope to make a start this weekend weather permitting :rolleyes  nice clean and tidy garage at moment  :D
 next job on the 600 is too by-pass the fuel pump and see what happens,after that maybe the jets  :rolleyes
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 02 November 2012, 11:19:50 AM
not posted on this thread for a while :\ ....been putting a new roof on my garage,weather permitting should finish it the weekend :) ,small job to do on swmbo`s car and then its back to the stutter  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 02 November 2012, 12:01:33 PM
hi red long time no hear?...well hurry up and get it sorted!!...then you can help me sort mine out :'( ...yes youve guessed right?...i got a fkn stutter now :'( ...wont rev above 6k...not done owt to it so not sure yet what could be doing it :rolleyes ....not used it for a few wks, its got fresh petrol etc so can rule that out?..starts first touch of button,..no miss fires revs nice and idles nice and smooth :rolleyes ....but try and get it to rev above 6k?????..not a chance in hell!!!!!....its like hitting a rev limiter!! :\
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: clayt74 on 02 November 2012, 01:29:21 PM
hi CRH, i had a very similar problem last week, but mine stuttered at anything above 4k.
it was actually dropping a cylinder.
the prob with mine i think was 3 issues,
the well for the plug caps had wet leaves that had blown in (due to being parked up under a tree)
i also found a HT lead was a bit loose in the cap on cylinder no2
and when i took the plugs out the gaps were way too wide, cleaned and closed the gaps and it now runs better than it has in ages
 
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 02 November 2012, 05:16:31 PM
hi, clayt...yes thanks for that ile give it a chk over this wkend and check all that out?....the bikes been kept nice and dry though in me garage!..like i said not been used for a few wks?..just hope its not picked up the...red stutttttering virus" :\ ....am hoping its just my plugs?..still got originals in ,but only done 6700 miles from new !!..
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 03 November 2012, 09:44:44 AM
hi, clayt...yes thanks for that ile give it a chk over this wkend and check all that out?....the bikes been kept nice and dry though in me garage!..like i said not been used for a few wks?..just hope its not picked up the...red stutttttering virus" :\ ....am hoping its just my plugs?..still got originals in ,but only done 6700 miles from new !!..


hi crh....sorry about that mate ........next thigh iam going to do after ive sorted the shims...is to by-pass the fuel pump.should have done this a long time ago.....not feeling too good this morning flu type bug ive picked up,been working indoors all week with the heating on max so hoping all the fresh air iam going to get today finishing the roof off is going to do me the world of good......not sure if iam going to finish it today though

 let us know how you get on mate .
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 04 November 2012, 09:03:16 AM
roofs done  :D ...just as well , its peeing down this morning,just need to give the garage a re-shuffle and can then get swmbo`s car in there..small water leak,i think coming from thermostat housing,1.4 golf,then its back on the fazer  :D


any news on your stutter CRH  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: darrsi on 04 November 2012, 10:49:19 AM
Just think, in a thousand years time people will be unearthing age old versions of the bible, and even more remote and in depth, Red98's version of how to fix a stutter on a Fazer (just kidding)  :lol 
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: cnw180 on 07 November 2012, 08:26:16 PM
Hi everyone,

I've been reading this thread and my fazer has similar problems. I've not got the flat spot, but around 8000 - 9000rpm the bike stutters before picking up again.  This is when I crack the throttle open quickly from, say 7000rpm. If I roll on slowly, the stutter is still there but less noticeable. If I accelerate from say 2000 - 10000 rpm, the acceleration is normal, no stutter.

This happened after I changed the air filter and (foolishly) added a small amount of Redex carb cleaner.

Before this the bike was running a bit rich, but other than that fine.

So any advice where to start looking would be welcome.

I can do a few basic maintenance tasks, but not things like stripping carbs.

I did think about putting the old air filter back in to see if that made a difference.

Cheers!
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 07 November 2012, 09:28:48 PM
Hi everyone,

I've been reading this thread and my fazer has similar problems. I've not got the flat spot, but around 8000 - 9000rpm the bike stutters before picking up again.  This is when I crack the throttle open quickly from, say 7000rpm. If I roll on slowly, the stutter is still there but less noticeable. If I accelerate from say 2000 - 10000 rpm, the acceleration is normal, no stutter.

This happened after I changed the air filter and (foolishly) added a small amount of Redex carb cleaner.

Before this the bike was running a bit rich, but other than that fine.

So any advice where to start looking would be welcome.






I can do a few basic maintenance tasks, but not things like stripping carbs.

I did think about putting the old air filter back in to see if that made a difference.

Cheers!






yes.....try putting the old filter back in and see what happens.....iam going to look at my fuel pump next,by-passing the pump and filter with a piece of tubing and using isaac`s laws ,see if it makes any difference  ;) [size=78%] [/size]
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: 98wardj on 07 November 2012, 10:20:02 PM
hi all
been reading this for a while, will be joining in shortly. just got a fazer and spent 510 getting it rite and it has got one bad cough!! had it before it got once over, was gone for 60 miles and now back with vengeance  feel mine must be a fuel problem as mates mate didnt drop the fuel and clean the pipes when carbs got balanced and cleaned. just terrible under 3500 and runs like dream afterwards. going to get go pro on and post link to video this weekend.
keep the posts coming in
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: cnw180 on 07 November 2012, 11:03:04 PM
I will try the filter back in at the weekend and let you know how I get on.


I just had a thought though. A friend checked the bike out for me a few weeks ago and commented that 1 cylinder was running hotter than the others (down pipe was noticeably hotter from startup). The other three cylinders were running a little rich(petrol smell) I will check the plugs at the weekend to to confirm this. Anyway a lean mixture would get even leaner with a new filter, so I wonder if one cylinder is too lean at high rpm and is causing the stuttering?


I assume a carb balance may be the simple answer as in the long term, I cant simply stick the old, clogged filter back in, to force the bike to run rich.


Does this sound plausible though??



Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 08 November 2012, 09:24:36 AM
I will try the filter back in at the weekend and let you know how I get on.

I just had a thought though. A friend checked the bike out for me a few weeks ago and commented that 1 cylinder was running hotter than the others (down pipe was noticeably hotter from startup). The other three cylinders were running a little rich(petrol smell) I will check the plugs at the weekend to to confirm this. Anyway a lean mixture would get even leaner with a new filter, so I wonder if one cylinder is too lean at high rpm and is causing the stuttering?
 
 
 assume a carb balance may be the simple answer as in the long term, I cant simply stick the old, clogged filter back in, to force the bike to run rich.


Does this sound plausible though??

 
ummmmmm .....not sure about that  ;) ......start by swaping the filter...i dont think thats the problem but once swaped you can forget about it  :) .....balancing the carbs is always a good thing  :D  do you know when it was last done ?  :)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: cnw180 on 08 November 2012, 11:27:05 AM
I will try the filter back in at the weekend and let you know how I get on.

I just had a thought though. A friend checked the bike out for me a few weeks ago and commented that 1 cylinder was running hotter than the others (down pipe was noticeably hotter from startup). The other three cylinders were running a little rich(petrol smell) I will check the plugs at the weekend to to confirm this. Anyway a lean mixture would get even leaner with a new filter, so I wonder if one cylinder is too lean at high rpm and is causing the stuttering?
 
 
 assume a carb balance may be the simple answer as in the long term, I cant simply stick the old, clogged filter back in, to force the bike to run rich.


Does this sound plausible though??

 
ummmmmm .....not sure about that  ;) ......start by swaping the filter...i dont think thats the problem but once swaped you can forget about it  :) .....balancing the carbs is always a good thing  :D  do you know when it was last done ?  :)


I've owned the bike 3 and a bit years, and they've not been done in that time! Probably should have done them sooner. :\  Will get them done hopefully in the next week or so, have a friend with the kit needed.....
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: 98wardj on 09 November 2012, 08:57:01 PM
 :D got mine sorted, turns out it was 2 faulty spark plug caps so no need for a video  :D
hope you get as much luck as me and thanks for the replies haha  :b
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: cnw180 on 10 November 2012, 12:57:32 PM
I will try the filter back in at the weekend and let you know how I get on.

I just had a thought though. A friend checked the bike out for me a few weeks ago and commented that 1 cylinder was running hotter than the others (down pipe was noticeably hotter from startup). The other three cylinders were running a little rich(petrol smell) I will check the plugs at the weekend to to confirm this. Anyway a lean mixture would get even leaner with a new filter, so I wonder if one cylinder is too lean at high rpm and is causing the stuttering?
 
 
 assume a carb balance may be the simple answer as in the long term, I cant simply stick the old, clogged filter back in, to force the bike to run rich.


Does this sound plausible though??

 
ummmmmm .....not sure about that  ;) ......start by swaping the filter...i dont think thats the problem but once swaped you can forget about it  :) .....balancing the carbs is always a good thing  :D  do you know when it was last done ?  :)


.....well, checked the plugs and ht leads, bit of wd40 applied. Left New air filter in place as I noticed the rubber cover over the airfilter casing had snagged over the air intake, possibly restricting the airflow. Assuming the engine needs a huge "gulp" of air when the throttle opens, this may have been an issue. Will test ride before putting old filter back in.


Bike fired up fine, needed a bit of choke, normally doesnt! Idling ok, just a tiny bit lumpy...


Will post back later!!
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: darrsi on 10 November 2012, 02:00:09 PM
@cnw180, I had a complete carb overhaul done at PDQ, cleaned, balanced, etc, but when i went back there about 18 months later with a rough running problem between 2-300 revs they balanced the carbs again and said that they were quite a lot out.
I really noticed a difference when riding home, so i'd imagine that if you haven't had yours balanced in over 3 years that could be a place to start first!
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 10 November 2012, 02:32:57 PM
fixed me stutter!! ;) ...very weak spark on number 3 plug?...so trimmed leads and replaced caps plus swapped plugs as i had a new set in stock!! and runs perfect again. :D ....what i did notice though was when i released the tank filler cap" there was a lot of suction on the cap?...chkd out the tank breather and it was blocked :rolleyes ...now cleared!!...
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: darrsi on 10 November 2012, 02:41:02 PM
Did i just read that correctly ??? :eek :eek :eek
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 10 November 2012, 02:43:43 PM
Did i just read that correctly ??? :eek :eek :eek
.....you did?..why u askin darrs?????????
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: darrsi on 10 November 2012, 03:06:50 PM
Sorry, my fault, i'm so used to seeing your name on this post i thought you were red98  :lol


I thought it sounded a bit casual........ :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 10 November 2012, 03:09:04 PM
Sorry, my fault, i'm so used to seeing your name on this post i thought you were red98  :lol


I thought it sounded a bit casual........ :lol
....cheeky bstd!!!!.....am not that fkn ugly :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Dead Eye on 10 November 2012, 04:12:02 PM
This is like waiting for the next season of your favourite TV show to start... come on red, I want the next episode already ;)

After 8 months this has been like a master class for the air / fuel system in the Fazer :P
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 10 November 2012, 08:17:58 PM
evening all  :D .......swmbo`s car in garage at moment  ;)  and in true RED style its in bits  :o  got a water leak between thermostst housing and cylinder head,golf 1.4,nobody stocks the rubber o ring seal so got one from local bearing trader  :D will put it back together tomorrow  :D


 CRH....cheeky bstd.....iam the best looking bloke on here  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D


darrsi....iam looking forward to the day when i can post something along those lines....i`ll be dancing in the street  :rollin :rollin :rollin




starting monday, working every day for the next 12 days then i have the weekend off :D  which will be time spent with the stutter  ;) ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 10 November 2012, 08:30:21 PM
think darrsi might be right you know red ?.....you could easily become the next author of the..second,new,testament of the fazer bible :rolleyes ...ile buy a copy off you? :b .....ps did you read i fixed me stut??
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: darrsi on 11 November 2012, 02:26:35 AM
@red98, have you thought of contacting Gareth Gates, he had a bad stutter but seems to have sorted his out okay  :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: cnw180 on 11 November 2012, 04:13:33 PM
I will try the filter back in at the weekend and let you know how I get on.

I just had a thought though. A friend checked the bike out for me a few weeks ago and commented that 1 cylinder was running hotter than the others (down pipe was noticeably hotter from startup). The other three cylinders were running a little rich(petrol smell) I will check the plugs at the weekend to to confirm this. Anyway a lean mixture would get even leaner with a new filter, so I wonder if one cylinder is too lean at high rpm and is causing the stuttering?
 
 
 assume a carb balance may be the simple answer as in the long term, I cant simply stick the old, clogged filter back in, to force the bike to run rich.


Does this sound plausible though??

 
ummmmmm .....not sure about that  ;) ......start by swaping the filter...i dont think thats the problem but once swaped you can forget about it  :) .....balancing the carbs is always a good thing  :D  do you know when it was last done ?  :)


.....well, checked the plugs and ht leads, bit of wd40 applied. Left New air filter in place as I noticed the rubber cover over the airfilter casing had snagged over the air intake, possibly restricting the airflow. Assuming the engine needs a huge "gulp" of air when the throttle opens, this may have been an issue. Will test ride before putting old filter back in.


Bike fired up fine, needed a bit of choke, normally doesnt! Idling ok, just a tiny bit lumpy...


Will post back later!!


Well I put the original filter back in and the bike is now fine, stutter gone!  :lol  Checked the two filters while out and the new one is a tiny bit smaller. Noticed the box it cam in had 98/99 for the year. Wonder in the filter is different on the 2000 model then????


Anyway, bike running nicely, carbs do need checking for balance, but power all back now!!


 :D
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: darrsi on 11 November 2012, 04:21:50 PM
Was the new filter a Hi-Flo one by any chance?
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: cnw180 on 11 November 2012, 04:33:02 PM
Was the new filter a Hi-Flo one by any chance?


Was an aftermarket one, apparently standard, but who knows with pattern parts. The original filter had a gauze/mesh cover, the replacement had a metal sleave round the outside, with holes in it....?
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: darrsi on 11 November 2012, 05:15:29 PM
I had one like that, and i think it was also red98 too, and i never really thought too much about it until i swapped it for the K&N filter about how ill fitting it was.
The K&N made a really tight, fitted seal whereas the other one probably had about 5mm play around it.
I doubt very much at all that it's anything to do with the year of the bike.
I would seriously recommend getting a K&N filter though, you can really notice the bike breathing better, and you only need to buy the one as they're guaranteed for a million miles, and you don't even need to clean it for the first 50,000 miles!
£30 on Ebay. 
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: cnw180 on 11 November 2012, 05:49:11 PM
I had one like that, and i think it was also red98 too, and i never really thought too much about it until i swapped it for the K&N filter about how ill fitting it was.
The K&N made a really tight, fitted seal whereas the other one probably had about 5mm play around it.
I doubt very much at all that it's anything to do with the year of the bike.
I would seriously recommend getting a K&N filter though, you can really notice the bike breathing better, and you only need to buy the one as they're guaranteed for a million miles, and you don't even need to clean it for the first 50,000 miles!
£30 on Ebay.


Sounds like a plan!
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 11 November 2012, 07:10:14 PM
I had one like that, and i think it was also red98 too, and i never really thought too much about it until i swapped it for the K&N filter about how ill fitting it was.
The K&N made a really tight, fitted seal whereas the other one probably had about 5mm play around it.
I doubt very much at all that it's anything to do with the year of the bike.
I would seriously recommend getting a K&N filter though, you can really notice the bike breathing better, and you only need to buy the one as they're guaranteed for a million miles, and you don't even need to clean it for the first 50,000 miles!
£30 on Ebay.






yes thats right darrsi....lousy fit but did`nt notice untill i fitter the k+n......well worth the £30...best filter by miles  :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 11 November 2012, 07:15:01 PM
ummmmmmmmmmm gareth gates.......................now iam sure you dont want me to start singing  :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek that will be worse than the stutter  :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin




well swmbo`s car back together and working but will need a new thermostat housing  :\ :\ :\ just needs the o ring seal but cant buy them on their own  :\  always something to spend your money on  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: darrsi on 11 November 2012, 07:19:11 PM
I really should apply for a job in the K&N marketing department........  :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 11 November 2012, 08:50:35 PM
I really should apply for a job in the K&N marketing department........  :lol




 :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin they are a good filter,been going for years  :D
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Andy FZS on 11 November 2012, 09:08:46 PM
Just ordered one as I didn't change the filter earlier in the year when I changed oil and plugs. The last K&N filter I ordered was 4 off the little cone filters for my Honda 400Four in the mid 80's.


Andy
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 12 November 2012, 02:52:19 PM
Just ordered one as I didn't change the filter earlier in the year when I changed oil and plugs. The last K&N filter I ordered was 4 off the little cone filters for my Honda 400Four in the mid 80's.


Andy

those were the days......got them fitted to my x7,not the same as standard as you do away with the air box and increse the jet size.....together with the microns it lifts the front wheel in 2nd just using the throttle  :eek :eek
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Andy FZS on 12 November 2012, 04:24:10 PM
I remember being pillion on an X7 once heading towards a humpback bridge followed by a tight right hander :\  I was punching the pilot to slow down but all I could hear was his laughing :'(  Anyway we were home before the pursuing 250LC and CBX550. Those were the days and I don't miss them at all..............away camping every weekend straight from the pub into the tent and then back in the pub, no why would i miss it :\


Andy
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 12 November 2012, 09:15:44 PM
I remember being pillion on an X7 once heading towards a humpback bridge followed by a tight right hander :\  I was punching the pilot to slow down but all I could hear was his laughing :'(  Anyway we were home before the pursuing 250LC and CBX550. Those were the days and I don't miss them at all..............away camping every weekend straight from the pub into the tent and then back in the pub, no why would i miss it :\


Andy






ah yes.........................happy days  :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 24 December 2012, 09:09:44 AM
hhhhhhhhhappy   ccccccccchristmas    eeeeeeeeeeveryone..............................and hopefully a smooooooth new year,thank you all for your comments and laughs..............the stuttering lord
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Andy FZS on 24 December 2012, 09:25:12 AM
Happy Christmas to you, how's the bike?
Andy

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Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 24 December 2012, 06:16:39 PM
Happy Christmas to you, how's the bike?
Andy

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not done anything with it since my last update............still finishing the bathroom  :eek :eek :eek :eek ....nice tidy garage now with a new roof some new tools and a nice new  roll cabinet to put them in  :D :D :D ,iam off work now until the 2nd jan so should be able to find time to tinker.....if i remember i was going to look at the fuel pump next  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Andy FZS on 24 December 2012, 10:38:55 PM
I think you were quoting something about newton and laws of physics if I remember correctly^-^

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Andy
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 26 December 2012, 09:32:04 AM
I think you were quoting something about newton and laws of physics if I remember correctly^-^

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Andy






ah yes..............its all coming back to me now,thanks for the reminder  :)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Dead Eye on 23 January 2013, 12:30:52 PM
Hey red, any more news or has swmbo been keeping you busy?
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 23 January 2013, 01:16:03 PM
Hey red, any more news or has swmbo been keeping you busy?

 
swmbo`s very good at keeping me busy  :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes ......still not finished the bathroom,very close though.....bikes been covered up in the garage since my last post many moons ago,weathers looks like its getting better for this weekend so might get out there and put the origanal carbs back on and correct the shim c**k up .......will update at weekend........my monies on the fuel pump now so will bypass this with a peice of straight tube and see what happens  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 27 January 2013, 04:58:31 PM
nice day too fettle in the garage  :D  uncovered the 600 and removed the carbs in readyness to fit the originals,now iam a GP HERO  :rollin :rollin  its very easy and i completed the job in less than an hour,i borrowed a few bits and peices from the old carbs and next job is to refit them,sort out the shims and by-pass the fuel pump,not a great deal done today but its a start  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 05 February 2013, 08:03:07 PM
seeing all thoes 600s at the london foccer meet has got me motavated again.....spent half an hour tonight putting the original carbs back together sliders glide smoothly and settle with a reasuring knock......iam now happy that the carbs are not causing the stutter  :) ........all my hopes are on the fuel pump and i dont know why i didnt check it in the early days of "stutter solution saga"..........so a question for you all....anyone had any problems with fuel pumps ?......bikes a 1998 , done 40000 miles and been well looked after ;)   
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Dead Eye on 05 February 2013, 10:11:54 PM
I'm pretty sure bozboz had some issues with his fuel pump recently. They aren't overly expensive to replace though are they?
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 06 February 2013, 08:22:58 AM
yeh,thats right.think he fitted an xj900 one and worked well,there was also a link to what other bikes share the same pump,not looked at that yet,but very helpful......new patt ones at m+p sell for £80,will try bypassing first using a remote fuel supply suspended from the rafters....... :eek :eek :eek :eek
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 06 February 2013, 09:56:28 AM
hi there gph" ;) ......just a reminder paul?...still got the relay for you to try if you need it?
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 06 February 2013, 10:19:21 AM
hi there gph" ;) ......just a reminder paul?...still got the relay for you to try if you need it?

 
hi CRH .....good to see you back on the forum  :D ....was reading back through my stuttering post and came across your offer last night....thank you,i will bear that in mind .....got to fit the carbs and sort out the shims  :o  yet,and then i think i`ll be back to where i started but with new inlet rubbers  :o :o  learnt a lot on the way and got to know some great forum members.....update soon  ;)   
 
 
 
how you getting on with your thou ?
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Dead Eye on 06 February 2013, 11:36:55 AM
yeh,thats right.think he fitted an xj900 one and worked well,there was also a link to what other bikes share the same pump,not looked at that yet,but very helpful......new patt ones at m+p sell for £80,will try bypassing first using a remote fuel supply suspended from the rafters....... :eek :eek :eek :eek

Ah ok, so a lot more expensive than I thought :P

At least we are back on the hunt ^^
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 06 February 2013, 12:24:47 PM
yes a bit more than i thought aswell......could go to a breakers and pick one up for about £20.thats the reason for asking if anyone had any probs with theres...trying to reduce the chance of getting a badun  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 09 February 2013, 07:03:50 AM
hi there gph" ;) ......just a reminder paul?...still got the relay for you to try if you need it?

 
hi CRH .....good to see you back on the forum  :D ....was reading back through my stuttering post and came across your offer last night....thank you,i will bear that in mind .....got to fit the carbs and sort out the shims  :o  yet,and then i think i`ll be back to where i started but with new inlet rubbers  :o :o  learnt a lot on the way and got to know some great forum members.....update soon  ;)   
 
 
 
how you getting on with your thou ?
not done a thing with it mate!!...i have had a offer though? ;) ..a very nice triumph legend with 17k on clock plus a bandit 6 in mint cond<plus a 1980 mz 250 supa five for resto, with only 2800miles from new!!...fella wants mine for a trke prodject :rolleyes ....not made me mind up yet has another guy i know as a very,very, nice gl1000 gold wing he dont use its a 1975 model, one of the very first made!..with only 18k on clock!!!! and he,s showing a great deal of interest in the thou?? i will keep you posted on what i decide? ;) ...ime glad the blade hasn,t f,got me!!!...keep looking out for him but very rare to find these days?...last time i heard?..he was spotted on farmers forum looking through the pedigree sheep section :b :b ..
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 09 February 2013, 11:39:16 AM
some interesting offers there crh.....keep us posted.........lol at your comments on the blade :rollin he did post the other day,cant remember which subject,lots of good advice from the old fella,hope he stays with us...
    had a bit of a result with some spares for the 600 on the bay.....a job lot of parts that did`nt sell so emailed the seller after auction ended and offered starting price and he took it....might pick up tonight all being well,and will offer anything i dont need on here........good to see you again matey....ride safe  :D
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 06 March 2013, 08:22:13 PM
dragged myself out of the armchair and got out to the garage......got the original carbs back on and all the bits and pieces bolted on and then took the valve cover off in readyness to sort the valve clearences which i might do this weekend......would`nt mind giving the thous exup valve a service aswell....looks like a busy weekend  :rolleyes
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 14 April 2013, 07:07:25 PM
after seeing all the 600s on the london foccers ride-outs it reminded me just how good these bikes are,so this afternoon i spent some time in the garage checking the valve clearances,i need a few shims which i will order in the week

iam sure once i have it sorted i will be able to keep up with the blue thou`s
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Exupnut on 14 April 2013, 07:32:23 PM
Quite simply......NO U FOCCIN WONT. (Ahem)
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Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 15 April 2013, 06:47:03 AM
Quite simply......NO U FOCCIN WONT. (Ahem)
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mmmmmmmmmmmm.....time will tell !....................a lot of time  :lol :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Dead Eye on 15 April 2013, 11:12:53 AM
The Fazer bible has been resurrected!!
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 15 April 2013, 08:48:02 PM
not giving up  ;) .....pretty sure a red 600 is quicker than a blue thou  :)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Andy FZS on 15 April 2013, 10:17:17 PM
Must be colour blind lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 03 June 2013, 03:41:39 PM
bloody hell....15 months and still not sorted  :o .........took the cams out at the weekend and measured all the shims,i have the correct sized shims to put back in,probs the ones i took out last time  :lol :lol :lol
 
 so next step.....bypass the fuel pump.check/replace pick-up coil and somethink ive over looked.....choke plungers,check there not sticking  :rolleyes 
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 03 June 2013, 07:45:17 PM
are we all sitting comfortably......this may take some time :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol thought we moved on from this farce !
 :rollin ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 04 June 2013, 06:53:03 AM
are we all sitting comfortably......this may take some time :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol thought we moved on from this farce !
 :rollin ;)






"moved on"....no way,iam not giving up  ;) [size=78%] [/size]
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Andy FZS on 04 June 2013, 06:59:21 AM
Ok so we now at page 90. I think there's a good 30 page left so I'm guessing it's running ok by page 120. Any other guesses. Higer or lower. .
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 04 June 2013, 08:10:15 AM
Ok so we now at page 90. I think there's a good 30 page left so I'm guessing it's running ok by page 120. Any other guesses. Higer or lower. .

i reckon an annual saga holiday will be the norm for me and all my insurance will be through sunlife direct by the time Pauls got his machine sorted........oh and i`ll get a nice free parker pen, ` just for asking`  :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 04 June 2013, 08:18:42 AM
 :lol :lol :lol .....ah ....i have a target now  ;) .......going to prove you foccers wrong,might have a little tinkle this evening  :)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 04 June 2013, 08:28:45 AM
ive got confidence in ya paul!!....relay waiting ta post ;) .....ps, how did atb go on with larry the lambs mum???? :rolleyes ............
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 04 June 2013, 09:07:43 AM
ive got confidence in ya paul!!....relay waiting ta post ;) .....ps, how did atb go on with larry the lambs mum???? :rolleyes ............

 
 
CLIVE......ME OLD FOCCER........good to have you back........atb`s been a bit sheepish about his old ways,do you think hes changed  :rolleyes
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 04 June 2013, 09:24:37 AM
his pants and wellies mabe? :b ......but by the sound of it paul hes still got that...baaalistic sense of humour we got ta like? :) ........how you keeping matey?
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 04 June 2013, 11:34:17 AM
yeh...good thanks matey,getting lots of use from the thou with the london foccers  :D .....hows you collection,that thou up and running yet ?..... you still got the norton ?
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 04 June 2013, 04:18:50 PM
ive got confidence in ya paul!!....relay waiting ta post ;) .....ps, how did atb go on with larry the lambs mum???? :rolleyes ............

Clive me old mucker.......welcome back to the fold, ya dozy fart !!! hows ya bin? wot you up to? questions !!! me? new job........i`m the `geeeeeeeeeeeezer` on the bet victor ads......give us some odds on da match vic !!! :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin only pop on here now and again just to keep Paul on his uppers ! ;) only kidding Paolo :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 04 June 2013, 09:26:47 PM
ive got confidence in ya paul!!....relay waiting ta post ;) .....ps, how did atb go on with larry the lambs mum???? :rolleyes ............

Clive me old mucker.......welcome back to the fold, ya dozy fart !!! hows ya bin? wot you up to? questions !!! me? new job........i`m the `geeeeeeeeeeeezer` on the bet victor ads......give us some odds on da match vic !!! :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin only pop on here now and again just to keep Paul on his uppers ! ;) only kidding Paolo :lol :lol :lol :lol






 :lol :lol :lol no worries mate,keep it up i need the motorvation  :rolleyes [size=78%].....not forgotten about the bet [/size] ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Andy FZS on 04 June 2013, 11:17:53 PM
Ok keep talking 29 pages to go  nearly there.
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 05 June 2013, 06:38:13 AM
yeh...good thanks matey,getting lots of use from the thou with the london foccers  :D .....hows you collection,that thou up and running yet ?..... you still got the norton ?
no not done much more with the thou!...still debating to do that deal with it?...and yes still got me commando!!..one day i WILL get it back on road :\ ....just got me 6 moted" and tax sent for :) ....trying to pack up smoking at mo!!..just got one of them electronic fags!...working up 2 now , only had 5 rollups in last wk..time will tell :rolleyes .....see atb,s happy in his new job :b .....
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 05 June 2013, 07:00:32 AM
ive got confidence in ya paul!!....relay waiting ta post ;) .....ps, how did atb go on with larry the lambs mum???? :rolleyes ............

Clive me old mucker.......welcome back to the fold, ya dozy fart !!! hows ya bin? wot you up to? questions !!! me? new job........i`m the `geeeeeeeeeeeezer` on the bet victor ads......give us some odds on da match vic !!! :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin only pop on here now and again just to keep Paul on his uppers ! ;) only kidding Paolo :lol :lol :lol :lol
...missed you 2 buddy! ;) ...thought you,d passed on ta another forum?..ya know what ade?..funny you should mention that add??...i get a semi on"..each time its shown?...at least now i can put a name to herhim :b .....can i as your autograph :D ....keep safe!






 :lol :lol :lol no worries mate,keep it up i need the motorvation  :rolleyes [size=78%].....not forgotten about the bet [/size] ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Paul on 05 June 2013, 08:41:11 AM
I had a plug cap problem some years ago.

I replaced the plug caps with pattern CX500 plug caps from M&P.

Never had a problem since.
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 05 June 2013, 09:08:59 AM
I had a plug cap problem some years ago.

I replaced the plug caps with pattern CX500 plug caps from M&P.

Never had a problem since.

 
 
hi paul.thanks for your input...i replaced the caps with some straight ngk ones,no change  :o  iam down to three possibilities now...............................................fuel pump
                                                    choke plungers
                                                    pick up coil
 
putting my money on the pick up coil but need to check the other two  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 09 June 2013, 10:04:16 AM
ive had a little tidy up in the garage this morning and dragged the 6 out into the daylight for the first time in a while  :rolleyes ..after a quick tidy i turned my attention to the STUTTERING ONE.....i think i may of found the problem !!!!!!!.....hope your all sitting down  ;) ......iam half way through adjusting the valve clearences and pulled the gen cover off to check the timing mark,,thats when i noticed the wiring on the pick-up coil,one is broken and another is worn through to the wire  :eek .....i could have finished off the broken wire when i took the cover off but it looks like its been rubbing for a long, long time .......got to order some shims to finish of the clearences but in the meantime i`ll put a wanted post on here for a pick-up coil and wiring.....i wonder is this the beginning of the end  :rolleyes .......book to follow  :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 09 June 2013, 12:48:09 PM
ive had a little tidy up in the garage this morning and dragged the 6 out into the daylight for the first time in a while  :rolleyes ..after a quick tidy i turned my attention to the STUTTERING ONE.....i think i may of found the problem !!!!!!!.....hope your all sitting down  ;) ......iam half way through adjusting the valve clearences and pulled the gen cover off to check the timing mark,,thats when i noticed the wiring on the pick-up coil,one is broken and another is worn through to the wire  :eek .....i could have finished off the broken wire when i took the cover off but it looks like its been rubbing for a long, long time .......got to order some shims to finish of the clearences but in the meantime i`ll put a wanted post on here for a pick-up coil and wiring.....i wonder is this the beginning of the end  :rolleyes .......book to follow  :lol

filthy boy......there`s clinics around the country to sort that. good luck with the new revelation mate....won`t hold me breath :lol :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: darrsi on 09 June 2013, 01:02:19 PM
I think i recall someone saying check the wiring on the pick-up coil on page 1 of this post  :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 11 June 2013, 09:14:47 AM
met up with FAZERIDER last night who kindly donated a  pick up coil for the "stuttering one" top man, thank you FAZERIDER  :) ...waiting for valve shims to be delivered ,should be tomorrow at latest and then put it all back together with crossed fingers  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Fazerider on 11 June 2013, 10:54:31 AM
You're very welcome and it was a pleasure to meet you.
Will have to find an alternative to the A321 if I ever head up that direction again : Wokingham /Twyford was a blast, but south of that is misery. Aside from all the ruts, potholes and 30mph limits (with cameras) on the return leg I collected some tw@t in a hot hatch at Wokingham who insisted on driving 10ft from my rear wheel for the next 5 miles and then, when he finally turned off, used his horn to vent his frustration at me for going so slowly. Berk. Hopefully he'll have a clear run next time, past a waiting traffic cop.
Anyway, hope that coil does the trick. I'll expect an autographed copy when the hardback of this epic tale is published. :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 11 June 2013, 11:36:57 AM
much better the other way FAZERIDER  :) ...A321 to wargrave onto henley,a4155 to marlow had a blast and got home just before dark........i`ll see if the london foccers want to come down your way on one of our monthly meets you`ll enjoy that,think we`re off to gt yarmouth next month parhaph august  ;) ....thanks again for your donation,book no1 reserved,no2 reserved for CRH who helped out with spare carbs  :)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Jamieg285 on 11 June 2013, 12:49:03 PM
I think i recall someone saying check the wiring on the pick-up coil on page 1 of this post  :lol


I think you will find it was Red himself, in the very first post  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 11 June 2013, 02:26:56 PM
i have said a fair bit on this thread  :o ....its a good bet that the problem has already been suggested  ;) ...but i`ve learnt a lot  :D
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Andy Smith FZS on 11 June 2013, 04:17:15 PM
The yam dealer in Glasgow mentioned jet ski plugs are a good shout.  100% waterproof.
Do the ht leads just screw into the coils? If it was tight it might looked sealed...
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 11 June 2013, 04:32:44 PM
The yam dealer in Glasgow mentioned jet ski plugs are a good shout.  100% waterproof.
Do the ht leads just screw into the coils? If it was tight it might looked sealed...

 
yep....leads are sealed into the coils....first time i`ve heard of "jet ski plugs"....sounds like a wind-up to me  :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 12 June 2013, 09:18:15 AM
much better the other way FAZERIDER  :) ...A321 to wargrave onto henley,a4155 to marlow had a blast and got home just before dark........i`ll see if the london foccers want to come down your way on one of our monthly meets you`ll enjoy that,think we`re off to gt yarmouth next month parhaph august  ;) ....thanks again for your donation,book no1 reserved,no2 reserved for CRH who helped out with spare carbs  :)
...paul, that would be a honor mate!..thankyou!...any explicit shots of atb on page 3 would also be nice? :b .....
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 12 June 2013, 10:10:34 AM
much better the other way FAZERIDER  :) ...A321 to wargrave onto henley,a4155 to marlow had a blast and got home just before dark........i`ll see if the london foccers want to come down your way on one of our monthly meets you`ll enjoy that,think we`re off to gt yarmouth next month parhaph august  ;) ....thanks again for your donation,book no1 reserved,no2 reserved for CRH who helped out with spare carbs  :)
...paul, that would be a honor mate!..thankyou!...any explicit shots of atb on page 3 would also be nice? :b .....

 
ah yes....good old MORRIS  :lol ...i need reminding of your bet with MORRIS,iam sure he said carbs and you said sparks but cant remember what the prize was  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 12 June 2013, 10:20:37 AM
much better the other way FAZERIDER  :) ...A321 to wargrave onto henley,a4155 to marlow had a blast and got home just before dark........i`ll see if the london foccers want to come down your way on one of our monthly meets you`ll enjoy that,think we`re off to gt yarmouth next month parhaph august  ;) ....thanks again for your donation,book no1 reserved,no2 reserved for CRH who helped out with spare carbs  :)
...paul, that would be a honor mate!..thankyou!...any explicit shots of atb on page 3 would also be nice? :b .....
[/quote)...thats the trouble paul?..i do remember?..all ime going to say is?...KEEPING AWAY FROM WALES..for a very long time!!.... :eek :rolleyes :'(
 
 
ah yes....good old MORRIS  :lol ...i need reminding of your bet with MORRIS,iam sure he said carbs and you said sparks but cant remember what the prize was  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 14 June 2013, 12:09:04 PM
red? please tell us youve sorted that 6 out?.....the suspenders are killin me!!!! :rolleyes .....
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 14 June 2013, 12:14:14 PM
i`ll have to keep you in suspenders for a little while longer,working this weekend but might get a little fazer time  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 17 June 2013, 08:54:59 PM
bit of progress with "the stuttering one" new shims in place , cams in,timing marks aligned and tensioner fitted,next job, check the clearences  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 23 June 2013, 08:55:42 AM
weekend off  :D :D :D  so lots of "fazer time"....checked clearences as new shims fitted,all within tollerences,rocker cover fitted,carbs fitted with throttle and choke cables connected,while carbs were off checked operation of choke plungers,no problems there,coil,fuel filter and pump refitted,tank and seat on.new pick up coil fitted,put battery on charge as a little low..........nice to have the time to spend on the old girl  ;) 
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 23 June 2013, 09:07:32 AM
weekend off  :D :D :D  so lots of "fazer time"....checked clearences as new shims fitted,all within tollerences,rocker cover fitted,carbs fitted with throttle and choke cables connected,while carbs were off checked operation of choke plungers,no problems there,coil,fuel filter and pump refitted,tank and seat on.new pick up coil fitted,put battery on charge as a little low..........nice to have the time to spend on the old girl  ;) 
...........hi paul, fingers crossed for ya bud!!...only thing you havnt mentioned is ...tyre pressures  :rolleyes ..think you have covered every other possibility ;) .......................then........ROADTEST TIME???????????????
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 23 June 2013, 06:56:07 PM
no tax at moment so put the bike on the trailer and went down to local industrial estate,private road,and gave it a test ride,bike starts fine and revs freely all through the rev range,great.....pulls away no problems ,get to about 3000/4000 and its bogging down..almost as if running one 2/3 cylinders....the only thing i`ve changed since last time is the pick-up coil as broken/worn wire.and also ive set the mixture screws to 2.5 turns out,standard settings,when i first looked at the carbs they were set to something like 5 turns out and i had run it like this for the last 10 years,no problems....not sure of the effect in changing the settings ,anyone know more than me ?....it is getting better though,on the centre stand with no load on it its fine................ thinking of by-passing the fuel pump and filter next and maybe putting the mixture screws back to 5 turns....but i dont know why  :o
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 23 June 2013, 07:59:33 PM
...fkn sod int it?...ile get you that fuel pump relay sorted if you want?..mabe give that a try!..dont think its the mixture screws though paul?...it was boggin with them set to 5 before you adjusted to factory!!...could be wrong but seems excessive dont you think?..usualy when they are set in factory that is normaly a starting point,ie 2.5turns out,then mabe a small tweak either way of that setting point to get things  into spec!...but 5 turns seems alot ?....but if it is i am wrong and it does need 5turns thats one rich mother fucker runnin engine you got there!!! pm me you address again and ile pop that relay in post for you! ..give it a try ?..you never know :rolleyes ....
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: His Dudeness on 23 June 2013, 08:07:55 PM
This bike is turning into a nightmare. Might be time to give it to a mechanic. Fresh eyes and all that
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 23 June 2013, 08:19:05 PM
...fkn sod int it?...ile get you that fuel pump relay sorted if you want?..mabe give that a try!..dont think its the mixture screws though paul?...it was boggin with them set to 5 before you adjusted to factory!!...could be wrong but seems excessive dont you think?..usualy when they are set in factory that is normaly a starting point,ie 2.5turns out,then mabe a small tweak either way of that setting point to get things  into spec!...but 5 turns seems alot ?....but if it is i am wrong and it does need 5turns thats one rich mother fucker runnin engine you got there!!! pm me you address again and ile pop that relay in post for you! ..give it a try ?..you never know :rolleyes ....




yes , 5 turns is a lot,was on that for 40000 miles no problems...just dos`nt make sense,it is getting better though so i must be doing something right.....i`ll let you know on that relay matey,thanks for the offer.
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 23 June 2013, 08:24:12 PM
This bike is turning into a nightmare. Might be time to give it to a mechanic. Fresh eyes and all that






been thinking the same dude....have a friend who has his own workshop,top man,did ask him in the early days , he said pick-up coil,he was the bloke who checked the carbs for me,i asked him to sonic clean them but he gave me them back saying "no point"........might go up and see him  ;)


bet its something simple  :rolleyes
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Fazerider on 23 June 2013, 08:28:32 PM
That's disappointing... only partly cured. :( 
At least the fact that it revs OK with no load implies the sparks are good now. The remaining problem certainly sounds like air or fuel in short supply.
I too find your slow jet settings a bit of a puzzle, all three sets of carbs I've had have run fine on with the adjuster set to slightly less than 2 turns. I'm currently overhauling the set I pulled out a few weeks back. When I've got them fettled you're welcome to borrow them for diagnostic purposes.
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 23 June 2013, 08:39:00 PM
That's disappointing... only partly cured. :( 
At least the fact that it revs OK with no load implies the sparks are good now. The remaining problem certainly sounds like air or fuel in short supply.
I too find your slow jet settings a bit of a puzzle, all three sets of carbs I've had have run fine on with the adjuster set to slightly less than 2 turns. I'm currently overhauling the set I pulled out a few weeks back. When I've got them fettled you're welcome to borrow them for diagnostic purposes.




your a top man FAZERIDER....bought my own spare set last year but turned out to be bad,CRH helped me out with another set which made no difference too stutter,had my origanal set look at by local mechanic friend and found no problems..
iam with you on "air or fuel in short supply" and as i have improved things with the recent changes iam going to bypass the pump and filter ,ive fitted a new k&n filter but will take it out to see what difference it makes..
          before i do anything iam going to read through this whole thread and take notes as i go......iam sure the answers in there somewhere  ;)
 
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Fazerider on 23 June 2013, 08:59:03 PM

Sounds as though you may have enough carb sets to be going on with for the moment then. The jets on mine will be OK once I've cleaned the silt and corrosion out, but the sliders are worn so throttle response will never be brilliant... they're just an emergency spare set.
... iam going to read through this whole thread and take notes as i go...
You'll have a chuckle at page 4 (I think it was).
Some plonker told you the pickup coil would have nothing to do with the stutter.
Ahem. :o
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 23 June 2013, 09:26:58 PM

Sounds as though you may have enough carb sets to be going on with for the moment then. The jets on mine will be OK once I've cleaned the silt and corrosion out, but the sliders are worn so throttle response will never be brilliant... they're just an emergency spare set.
... iam going to read through this whole thread and take notes as i go...
You'll have a chuckle at page 4 (I think it was).
Some plonker told you the pickup coil would have nothing to do with the stutter.
Ahem. :o




ah yes  :lol ....stutter at 8000 back then.i must be close or was it just getting worse  :rolleyes ......noticed i was fitting the bathroom back then....still not finished  :o
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 30 June 2013, 11:30:17 AM
been having a play over the last couple of days,on the verge of putting the bike into my mates garage for him to sort out but thought i would just check the things i have done including the mixture screws,i can just about adjust all four with carbs on the bike but slipped the carbs off just to make sure....best settings are 2.25 and ive taken the new k+n out and refitted the old hiflo filter and there is an improvement......worse with air filter out...going to check carb balance next to see what that tells me........back of my mine iam thinking ....rolling road,dyno  :)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: darrsi on 30 June 2013, 12:28:55 PM
This is where i get my bike Dyno'd, the fella Nick in there is more like a bike surgeon, he's very good.


http://pdq1.com/services/ (http://pdq1.com/services/)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 30 June 2013, 07:31:12 PM
This is where i get my bike Dyno'd, the fella Nick in there is more like a bike surgeon, he's very good.


[url]http://pdq1.com/services/[/url] ([url]http://pdq1.com/services/[/url])





thanks darrsi.....i remembered you saying you used them and not far from me  :) ...might go over and have a chat  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: darrsi on 30 June 2013, 07:46:52 PM
Either pop down and have a chat or even phone them, they're extremely helpful over the phone as well.
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 05 July 2013, 07:09:48 AM
Have you started to read through all this again yet Red98? What chapter are you up to? Personally, I found the plot to be a bit thin, but the characters are almost believable...oh, and someone's nicked the last page - bastards!  :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: darrsi on 05 July 2013, 07:44:39 AM
Have you started to read through all this again yet Red98? What chapter are you up to? Personally, I found the plot to be a bit thin, but the characters are almost believable...oh, and someone's nicked the last page - bastards!  :lol


He's leaving himself open for a sequel......  :)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Andy FZS on 05 July 2013, 08:50:07 AM
Do you think the sequel will be titled stutttttttering fzs1000 in silver or is that to obvious...
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 05 July 2013, 08:56:14 AM
Do you think the sequel will be titled stutttttttering fzs1000 in silver or is that to obvious...

 
 
iam a bit worried about that....they do share the same stable  :eek :eek .....busy at work now,7 day week  :rolleyes ....but will take "the stuttering one" in soon.....possibly when iam on holiday,they can have it for two weeks then  ;)   
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Andy FZS on 05 July 2013, 09:03:53 AM
Ye tell me about it only chance I get to ride my bike is to and from work. On nights Monday so I might be able to get out in the morning if I can find an excuse not to finish the back bedroom before we're away at the end of the month.
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: littlejohno on 05 July 2013, 04:38:48 PM
I have a stutter/ bogging issue when warm mainly since changing the oil and draining the excess !!! And fitting a new filter itnow bogs between 7, 000 and 10,000 plugs didn't sort it either carb balance next week and see what happens hope you get it sorted :)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Dead Eye on 05 July 2013, 06:54:46 PM
Did you change the air filter as well?
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 05 July 2013, 07:16:19 PM
swapped and changed the air filter on "the stuttering one" and it does make a difference...took the new K+N out and put the hiflo in and it did run better.slight improvement without filter ....i have standard can on mine,if you have K+N and after market can/system iam sure a rolling road and rejet will squeeze a few more horses from this lump  :D .....i have an old suzuki gt250 x7 with microns spannies and k+n filters and no air box.re-jetting two sizes up made a hell of a difference  :D :D :D :D  lifts front wheel in second just on the throttle...scared the living daylights out of me the first time  :eek :lol 
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: littlejohno on 07 July 2013, 10:45:30 AM
Did you change the air filter as well?

If its for me I fitted a new air filter new new oil and filter new oil new plugs and trimmed the leads.

I have also drained the carbs I would say all the above has made it slightly better but not perfect.

It has to be the carbs as it was fine until the air filter was changed and the oil drained it did have 3.5 litres above the max !!!!!!!
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: darrsi on 07 July 2013, 01:24:40 PM
Did you change the air filter as well?

If its for me I fitted a new air filter new new oil and filter new oil new plugs and trimmed the leads.

I have also drained the carbs I would say all the above has made it slightly better but not perfect.

It has to be the carbs as it was fine until the air filter was changed and the oil drained it did have 3.5 litres above the max !!!!!!!

As in SIX litres?
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: littlejohno on 07 July 2013, 11:21:31 PM
Yeah I drained 3.5 out to drop it to the max :-[
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Soapy on 08 July 2013, 11:32:45 AM
Just a general observation for anybody chasing a misfire or stutter. During my investigation I cleaned my carbs, replaced my plugs, replaced fuel filter, cut back my ignition leads did a carb balance none of which did anything. My symptoms only came to light after riding the bike hard for a few miles and then she would misfire on hard throttle at low revs. I would recommend anybody who has a misfire symptom to replace the plug caps. You can get 4 NGK replacements for less than a tenner.
Another possible red herring symptom is a rough idle. I have a K+N filter and a Beowolf end can with baffle in. Even after doing all of the above my bike still doesn't idle smoothly but rides great so I'm not worrying about it.

Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 11 July 2013, 06:59:11 AM
ok.....change of plan,ive bought a complete running/motd/taxed spares bike as a "parts swapper bike" for "the stuttering one",needs a bit of fettling to make sure all is ok and then the swapping will begin.....not sure yet where iam going to start  :o ....a bit of thinking time at work today me thinks  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Exupnut on 11 July 2013, 08:20:24 AM
By the time u fix the bloody thing red you'll be an old stutterer urself. If i win lotto dont worry mate...i'll buy u a b.b.b.b.blue one.
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 11 July 2013, 08:56:25 AM
By the time u fix the bloody thing red you'll be an old stutterer urself. If i win lotto dont worry mate...i'll buy u a b.b.b.b.blue one.

 
given the choice between a stuttering red fazer and a blue thing.......i`ll take the RED one,every time  :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Dead Eye on 11 July 2013, 09:50:00 AM
What's wrong with the new one you've bought? Or is it simply a matter of you refuse to let the universe win and you are determined to get your '98 back on the road without its stutter :P
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 11 July 2013, 10:13:35 AM
What's wrong with the new one you've bought? Or is it simply a matter of you refuse to let the universe win and you are determined to get your '98 back on the road without its stutter :P

 
not going to be beaten by "the stutter"....when its all sorted i`ll bring it along to one of the lofo`s ride outs and you`ll see why....its a cracking looking bike  :D  in the best colour  ;)
  not had much of a chance to look at the new one yet but a quick check over last night found.......missing centre stand,bent clutch lever,broken exhaust stud,damaged thread on front sprocket shaft, no nut !!,carbs held on with cable ties  :eek ....saying that it does start and runs well with a high tick over possibly caused by the blowing exhaust and cable ties letting in a bit of air,air box side of the carbs,a weekends fettling should sort these out  ;) 
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: tony22 on 11 July 2013, 12:06:46 PM
Not sure if you have changed the air filter or not, but mine used to do the same thing, replaced with a k&n and no more stutter...
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 11 July 2013, 12:37:41 PM
I think by now he's replaced everything but the tyre valve caps, but he can't remember what's been done - you'll have to start over again Paul!
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 11 July 2013, 01:11:20 PM
played around with the air filter a couple of weeks ago...it did make a difference between k+n and standard but stutter still there  :( .....with the new bike as spares doner it does feel as if iam starting again  :o
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 11 July 2013, 02:13:00 PM
Cheer up mate, at least you've got the thou to play on meanwhile.  :) :) 
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 11 July 2013, 02:43:51 PM
Cheer up mate, at least you've got the thou to play on meanwhile.  :) :)

 
ohhhhhhh yesssssssss  :D ......had i not bought the thou,i like to think i would have had it sorted by now  :rolleyes
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 14 August 2013, 09:05:13 PM
update....i now have a spares bike  :D ....suffered the "front sprocket nut"issue and lost its nut on the M25 damaging the thread as it rattled around in the cover,thread repaired and new 12mm nut and tab washer fitted along with a new clutch lever and i was able to ride it down the road....tyres have had it but apart from that it rode very well  :D ....so tonight ive been stripping a few parts off it to try on "the stuttering one.parts include...




                                                    carbs with tps
                                                    coils
                                                    fuel pump
                                                    ecu
[size=78%]                                                    battery,its new and iam still on the origanal one[/size] :rolleyes
                                                    pick up coil
                                                    clocks,as i think they work with the ecu


new parts ive fitted include.........plugs
                                                    plug caps
                                                    k + n air filter
                                                    carb to head inlet rubbers   




thats it for now but i might swap the tyre valve caps ,as nick has pointed out its about the only part i hav`nt touched yet  :lol [/size][size=78%]    [/size][size=78%]
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 14 August 2013, 09:31:43 PM
Hurry up and fix it Paul, when you're done you can start on mine!  :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 15 August 2013, 02:40:39 PM
think i`ll add.....regulator,fuel pump relay and started relay to that list ,cant think of anything else  :rolleyes
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 26 August 2013, 11:17:13 AM
morning stuttering fans......if theres any of you left  :o .....i think i may have fixed it  :rolleyes ........been swapping a few things from my spares bike,a lot of items which i have already checked/changed but also one new item which i have not touched yet,i have mentioned it in one of my more recent posts,with no replys from more knowledgeable foccers.....so thought we would have a little guessing game.............happy to supply beer tokens to the correct guess and more importantly an explaination in how this item works.......my monies on FAZERIDER being the winner...................oh..buy the way FAZERIDER....the generator and cover you kindly donated to the "stuttering one",ive used the internals on my bike and passed the cover onto DEADEYE,so a big thanks from both of us  :D
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Dead Eye on 26 August 2013, 11:29:42 AM
It's like the end of an era, I almost don't want this thread to end... glad to hear you appear to have it fixed though! Looking forward to a detailed analysis ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ChristoT on 26 August 2013, 11:38:39 AM
It's like the end of an era, I almost don't want this thread to end... glad to hear you appear to have it fixed though! Looking forward to a detailed analysis ;)

There's a trailer thread to send skywards...  ;)

Ditto on the analysis though!
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: darrsi on 26 August 2013, 11:48:50 AM
Just a general observation for anybody chasing a misfire or stutter. During my investigation I cleaned my carbs, replaced my plugs, replaced fuel filter, cut back my ignition leads did a carb balance none of which did anything. My symptoms only came to light after riding the bike hard for a few miles and then she would misfire on hard throttle at low revs. I would recommend anybody who has a misfire symptom to replace the plug caps. You can get 4 NGK replacements for less than a tenner.
Another possible red herring symptom is a rough idle. I have a K+N filter and a Beowolf end can with baffle in. Even after doing all of the above my bike still doesn't idle smoothly but rides great so I'm not worrying about it.


How can you have "hard throttle at low revs"  :look
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: johnboy512 on 26 August 2013, 12:21:35 PM
i am gonna say a Improperly adjusted fuel level!!!!! maybe :)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Soapy on 26 August 2013, 03:10:59 PM
Just a general observation for anybody chasing a misfire or stutter. During my investigation I cleaned my carbs, replaced my plugs, replaced fuel filter, cut back my ignition leads did a carb balance none of which did anything. My symptoms only came to light after riding the bike hard for a few miles and then she would misfire on hard throttle at low revs. I would recommend anybody who has a misfire symptom to replace the plug caps. You can get 4 NGK replacements for less than a tenner.
Another possible red herring symptom is a rough idle. I have a K+N filter and a Beowolf end can with baffle in. Even after doing all of the above my bike still doesn't idle smoothly but rides great so I'm not worrying about it.


How can you have "hard throttle at low revs"  :look
Maybe I didn't explain it right. After riding hard for a few miles, if I had to slow down then open up the throttle (low revs, high gear) at anything more than about 1/2 an inch then the bike would stutter/misfire. If I eased the throttle extremely gently then I could get the engine to pick normally. You can pull the throttle around hard at any revs. The gear your in will decide how fast the engine picks up.
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 26 August 2013, 03:28:40 PM
i am gonna say a Improperly adjusted fuel level!!!!! maybe :)








mmmmmmmmm...good guess JOHNBOY....you are thinking the same way as i WAS  ;) [size=78%]...........iam not 100% sure ive fixed the problem as iam limited on test ride length due to lack of tax,but on the short test ride i had after swapping parts there was a massive improvement....going to tax it at the end of the month and see for sure......will sneak out later when my private test track is quiet ......any more gusses ?[/size]
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: johnboy512 on 26 August 2013, 04:12:08 PM
Couldnt be the pick up coil!!!!!

Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 26 August 2013, 06:24:36 PM
Couldnt be the pick up coil!!!!!






i think that was part to blame and did replace it with one kindly donated by FAZERIDER,the wiring where it passes through the cover was very worn....the new one did improve things......and thats a MASSIVE clue..... ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: johnboy512 on 26 August 2013, 07:47:39 PM
So i'm getting a tad warm mmmmm pick up coil, wiring rubbing through casing,  :eek  igh resistance on the pickup side to to the ignitor unit (white/red) wire maybe!!!! still i was with you on the fuel side with the level of the float chambers in the carb..... :)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 27 August 2013, 07:03:14 AM
yep....very close  ;)    and with no one else playing looks like the beer tokens are coming your way..........unless FAZERIDER is going to join in  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Dead Eye on 27 August 2013, 09:49:41 AM
Sounding very electrical to me... unfortunately I know next to nothing about the electronics so can't really make any well thought out guesses...

Spark not strong enough?
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: samlj96 on 27 August 2013, 10:13:17 AM
Red98, please put us out of our misery, I too got a stuttering Fazer, with the same symptoms as yours, and done more or less everything you have done and still she stutters! I am desperate now to have my bike back! :o
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 27 August 2013, 10:24:44 AM
ok....a bit more help.my first thoughts were fuel and i have more or less stuck with this all along.....iam like DEADEYE  with modern bike electrics,dont know a great deal about them but am starting to understand them  ;) ...i have already mentioned that replacing the pick-up coil has helped and is a big clue.....JOHNBOY is on the right lines and DEADEYE is on to something also.....even if you know very little about electrics you should guess the problem......quite a few stuttering problems on here at moment and mine is a cheap fix  so i hope i can help others....so.......you have untill the end of the day to win the beer tokens before i reveal the answer and enjoy the ice cold beer  ;)
 
 
far too many clues there.....think i may have made it too easy for you  :rolleyes 
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: johnboy512 on 27 August 2013, 10:24:59 AM
yep....very close  ;)    and with no one else playing looks like the beer tokens are coming your way..........unless FAZERIDER is going to join in  ;)


mmm so the pickup coil resistance high ;) [size=78%] it should between  189--231 ohms so is it the black/blue wire a bit chaffed!!!!!![/size]
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: johnboy512 on 27 August 2013, 10:28:25 AM
So under load, high resistance = breakdown from the pick up coil, causing stuttering.... :)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 27 August 2013, 10:54:56 AM
hi paul,....cheap fix you say?...has ime useless with electrics also will have a stab at either rectifier/regulator/battery,..or bad earthing wire? from/to pickup coil...? :rolleyes
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 27 August 2013, 11:22:16 AM
hi paul,....cheap fix you say?...has ime useless with electrics also will have a stab at either rectifier/regulator/battery,..or bad earthing wire? from/to pickup coil...? :rolleyes

 
 
hi clive.....good to hear from you again  :) ........mmmmmmm without giving too much away.....your in the same boat as JOHNBOY + DEADEYE.......try one answer at a time..........now this is getting really easy.
 
not heard from ADE THE BLADE for a while  :rolleyes
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 27 August 2013, 11:32:07 AM
ile go for the earth wire then paul!!...not heard owt from the blade since he joined the....young faaaaarmers forum!! :eek ...
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 27 August 2013, 11:37:16 AM
no....not that cheap CRH......just pm`d ATB ,see what reply i get  :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Dead Eye on 27 August 2013, 12:01:39 PM
If its a cheap fix it has to be some sort of replacement cable OR... hmm...

So, you replaced the coils, the plugs and the plug caps... so that should rule out that side of things. The battery is fine as well... so... has to be something in the loom either before the pickup coils or just after the generator?

Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 27 August 2013, 12:26:13 PM
If its a cheap fix it has to be some sort of replacement cable OR... hmm...

So, you replaced the coils, the plugs and the plug caps... so that should rule out that side of things. The battery is fine as well... so... has to be something in the loom either before the pickup coils or just after the generator?

 
 
 
ooooooooooooooooooooo soooooo close  :lol  quick get the haynes manual out......i dont need to because i know the whole bloody book off by heart  :o :o :o   
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 27 August 2013, 12:27:29 PM
....rectifier?.. :rolleyes
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 27 August 2013, 12:33:10 PM
....rectifier?.. :rolleyes

 
another close one........haynes will tell you the answer  :D
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 27 August 2013, 12:42:08 PM
pickup sensor!...
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Exupnut on 27 August 2013, 12:46:04 PM
i cant bear the excitement any more....TELL US!!!!
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: johnboy512 on 27 August 2013, 12:54:55 PM
Magnet chipped on the pickup coil or dirty :)  still say a chaffed wire on the pickupside
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 27 August 2013, 01:07:44 PM
arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.....so close  :lol :lol :lol  johnboy.the pick up wire was chaffed and partly to blame,i replaced it with a good secondhand one....your nearly there matey
 
 
CRH....see above
 
EXUPNUT.....go on have a guess
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: johnboy512 on 27 August 2013, 01:13:24 PM
Heads starting to hurt now :smash  The pick up on the generator or am i moving away :groan  coming loose/damaged
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Dead Eye on 27 August 2013, 01:14:08 PM
Alternator wiring connector? Behind the left hand plastic cover where some of the relays are - I traced the cables there...

Page 9-23 in Haynes - Image 33.2b
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 27 August 2013, 01:17:17 PM
pickup sensor air gap!
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 27 August 2013, 02:00:54 PM
no no no no......you lot are going cold on me......ive swapped the pick up coil with a  known good un.....there was a small problem with the old one but its not the answer iam looking for.......as you have all gussed,it is electrics......
   come on FAZERIDER help them out   :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: johnboy512 on 27 August 2013, 02:07:04 PM
So on that circuit you have the pickup coil, the side stand switch, engine stop switch and the ignitor unit, so would say a connector into the ignitor unit ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Dead Eye on 27 August 2013, 02:11:30 PM
What about the connectors to the actual coils? Or even the cabling going to / from the rectifier?
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 27 August 2013, 02:11:54 PM
So on that circuit you have the pickup coil, the side stand switch, engine stop switch and the ignitor unit, so would say a connector into the ignitor unit ;)
......just about to post the same!!...only thing left? :rolleyes ....or is it :'(
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Exupnut on 27 August 2013, 02:19:30 PM
Ok paul i'll guess...errr.....let me think......err......incompetent rider/mechanic?
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 27 August 2013, 02:26:18 PM
Ok paul i'll guess...errr.....let me think......err......incompetent rider/mechanic?

 
cheeky foccer  :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 27 August 2013, 02:27:26 PM
...978...
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 27 August 2013, 02:29:06 PM
battery!
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 27 August 2013, 02:30:11 PM
wrong one,matey  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Dead Eye on 27 August 2013, 02:30:39 PM
Well that was ridiculously cryptic...
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 27 August 2013, 02:33:19 PM
REGULATOR!!!
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 27 August 2013, 02:35:52 PM
yesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss   well done clive..........next question/quiz,what the foc does it do  :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 27 August 2013, 02:37:58 PM
Well that was ridiculously cryptic...

 
 
POST NUMBER....with the answer  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Dead Eye on 27 August 2013, 02:41:52 PM
Aww, I was flicking through the Haynes trying to make "978" work somehow :P

Well, the answer is finally here ^^

Isn't the purpose of a regulator to well... regulate? This is likely to be utter crap but would it not just work to make sure that there aren't any spikes in voltage / amperage? So that a steady stream of power is provided...
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 27 August 2013, 02:43:21 PM
 :) .....well being the electrical genius as i am? :b ....i would say it regulates the supply of electricity" to/from the pickup coil and supplies the engine with the given amount it needs to stop the fucker ....STUTTERING...at high rpm"S.....technicaly speaking that is? 8)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Dead Eye on 27 August 2013, 02:44:57 PM
http://www.electrosport.com/technical-resources/technical-articles/how-motorcycle-charging-system-works (http://www.electrosport.com/technical-resources/technical-articles/how-motorcycle-charging-system-works)

Apparently yes, the regulator is used to ensure that there is a constant load of 14.4 Vdc (typical - could be different on our bikes, but unlikely) to the battery
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 27 August 2013, 02:47:38 PM
yep...thats how i understand it......but i want to know more  :lol .......any sparks wizzards out there ?
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 27 August 2013, 02:49:09 PM
Aww, I was flicking through the Haynes trying to make "978" work somehow :P


 
 
 ha...ha...ha.....got that picture in my head now and it wont go away   :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 27 August 2013, 02:56:11 PM
yep...thats how i understand it......but i want to know more  :lol .......any sparks wizzards out there ?
......errrr?...excuse me!..didnt i just give you the answer :D .......what was it you would like to know my friend :b ......morris wheret art thou my lamb chop!!!! :b
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Dead Eye on 27 August 2013, 02:58:32 PM
Ok, so I've been flicking through some internet articles and here is what is confusing;

The charging system, as far as I am aware, is separate from the electronics in that it connects to the battery THEN the battery powers everything else - in theory. So, a fault with the charging system shouldn't cause a problem with the electronics on the bike UNTIL the battery is drained. If so, then why would the regulator cause a problem...

However, if this is to with load across the battery, then its ignorant to think that the charging system is entirely separate. It provides a Vdc across the terminals of 14.4 - so if it is faulty it will (in most cases) cause this value to drop but it shouldn't go lower than say the 12 Vdc of the battery itself (more like 12.6+ on a fully charged battery) until the battery is drained. This drop could be enough to cause the spark to become weak.

Now, as you crank open the throttle, you are pulling more air and fuel into the combustion chamber, right? So with more fuel saturation in the vapour, you need a stronger spark... if the spark is weak then you run the risk of a misfire... or stutter?

I assume this is what was happening?

Edit: Ooohh another thought - the stutter clears up at higher RPM right (at least for others) - could the increased heat from the larger combustions begin to counteract the weak spark a bit so that you avoid a misfire?
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 27 August 2013, 03:03:21 PM
just took the words out me mouth there deadeye ;) :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Fazerider on 27 August 2013, 03:38:14 PM

Must admit to being a bit puzzled by this as well.
Regulator rectifiers can fail in two ways: either delivering no electricity to the battery, in which case the sparks would have held up until the battery voltage decreases, but you'd spot all the usual symptoms of a dead battery in that case. Alternatively they can stop regulating, which means the full output of the generator is forced into the battery causing the voltage to rise. (My brother had an Audi with that problem... he liked the extra-bright headlights, but it killed the aftermarket transistorised ignition unit!)
Unless you also had a poor connection to the battery it's hard to see how either condition would cause a stutter, and I'd have thought you'd have also noticed the lights changing in brightness.
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Dead Eye on 27 August 2013, 03:54:03 PM
Could be a fault with the unit sending too much to the earth effectively lowering the voltage across the battery? I don't think its necessarily as black & white as "it works" or "it doesn't work" - probably a grey area where its only partially working, or not working to full capacity / spec - this would then allow for the conditions observed...

When everything you know to be true can't explain it, it's time to reconsider those "absolutes" ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Fazerider on 27 August 2013, 04:15:11 PM
Could be a fault with the unit sending too much to the earth effectively lowering the voltage across the battery? I don't think its necessarily as black & white as "it works" or "it doesn't work" - probably a grey area where its only partially working, or not working to full capacity / spec - this would then allow for the conditions observed...

When everything you know to be true can't explain it, it's time to reconsider those "absolutes" ;)
Yes, fair enough... it may not be an all or nothing fault and would presumably be intermittent to boot, but the problem remains that the battery is very good at soaking up or delivering brief surges of power. If the regulator decides for a few seconds that it should be delivering 6v instead of 14 it has the full output capability of the battery to contend with. Sure, it can drag the voltage down eventually, but I'd expect the lights to go dim before the sparks got weak.
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 27 August 2013, 04:26:49 PM
great repiles there chaps,iam still running the replacement pick-up coil as the wiring on the old one was damaged and brittle,so iam thinking that both items were to blame ....need to do my homework on this so i can keep up  :o
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 27 August 2013, 04:28:38 PM
yep...thats how i understand it......but i want to know more  :lol .......any sparks wizzards out there ?
......errrr?...excuse me!..didnt i just give you the answer :D .......what was it you would like to know my friend :b ......morris wheret art thou my lamb chop!!!! :b

 
oh yessssss.......CRH is indeed the winner,not too sure how iam going to get the beer tokens to you.....parhaps i could start another thread  :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Ebme Geek on 27 August 2013, 04:32:49 PM
Regarding the regulator - Totally agree with you Fazerider, be good to double check by putting the original back on to see if fault comes back, as far as I am concerned the bike does not even need one to run properly, well as long as there is juice in the battery.
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: samlj96 on 27 August 2013, 05:01:18 PM
Can I just ask, have you taken the bike for a test ride with the new regulator fitted and if so, has your stutter gone? Also, how much was the new regulator? Might be ordering one tonight to see if it fixes my stutter too!
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: darrsi on 27 August 2013, 05:08:10 PM
So, 17 months later, you finally fixed the stutter.
 
What's your hourly rate, my mates bike has one too........  :lol :lol :lol
 
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 27 August 2013, 05:14:31 PM
Can I just ask, have you taken the bike for a test ride with the new regulator fitted and if so, has your stutter gone? Also, how much was the new regulator? Might be ordering one tonight to see if it fixes my stutter too!

 
yes ..been on a short test ride and theres a massive improvement,very smooth from 2000 all the way upto the red line......your do well to get a secondhand regulator for £20..ebay,breaker etc....i have a spares bike so stole it off that  :)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Exupnut on 27 August 2013, 05:14:37 PM

So, 17 months later, you finally fixed the stutter.
 
What's your hourly rate, my mates bike has one too........  :lol :lol :lol

Hehe....top bloke....shite mechanic lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 27 August 2013, 05:15:44 PM
So, 17 months later, you finally fixed the stutter.
 
What's your hourly rate, my mates bike has one too........  :lol :lol :lol

 
 
ooooo...i could be onto somrthing here  :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 27 August 2013, 05:22:23 PM
never noticed the lights being dim....hard to see as they are not too good when working well  :\ ......next step is to put all swapped parts back on my spares bike execpt the regulator and put the supposed faulty regulator on as well and then test ride the spares bike which ran well before stripping the parts..
 
 the "stuttering one" mot has expired at begining of the month and needs a new front tyre to pass,then book in and have a propper test ride on way too mot station..(no tax )....sounds like a good plan to me  ;) 
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Fazerider on 27 August 2013, 05:57:16 PM

Well I'm delighted for you that it's definitely fixed at last, and if the stuttering moves to the donor bike that'll be confirmation that the regulator is to blame.
How it's doing it is a mystery though. Maybe there's a dodgy connection in there that resonates at certain engine revs and puts out enough noise/radio frequency interference that it swamps the signal from the pickup...  feels a bit far-fetched, but normal regulator faults result in the battery not charging or overcharging.
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: darrsi on 27 August 2013, 06:52:43 PM
Can I just ask, have you taken the bike for a test ride with the new regulator fitted and if so, has your stutter gone? Also, how much was the new regulator? Might be ordering one tonight to see if it fixes my stutter too!



This ain't a bad price for a new one, but if i were to be truthful, i'd be absolutely amazed if you both had the same problem!


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/REGULATOR-YAMAHA-FZS-600-TDM-850-TRX-XTZ-750-TRX-/390319651155?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts_13&hash=item5ae0dd3953 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/REGULATOR-YAMAHA-FZS-600-TDM-850-TRX-XTZ-750-TRX-/390319651155?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts_13&hash=item5ae0dd3953)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ade the blade on 27 August 2013, 07:28:31 PM
now run ya little legs off down to the publishers and get that bloody encyclopaedia nestled next to war and peace, ya hear !! well done mate for persevering ! ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 27 August 2013, 09:03:11 PM

Well I'm delighted for you that it's definitely fixed at last, and if the stuttering moves to the donor bike that'll be confirmation that the regulator is to blame.
How it's doing it is a mystery though. Maybe there's a dodgy connection in there that resonates at certain engine revs and puts out enough noise/radio frequency interference that it swamps the signal from the pickup...  feels a bit far-fetched, but normal regulator faults result in the battery not charging or overcharging.




thanks FAZERIDER.....wish it made sense,ive started doubting myself if i`ve cured it or just masked the problem......need to get a new front tyre ,a new mot and use it....thanks for you help  :)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 27 August 2013, 09:05:16 PM
now run ya little legs off down to the publishers and get that bloody encyclopaedia nestled next to war and peace, ya hear !! well done mate for persevering ! ;)








hi ade........book on its way  :lol :lol :lol i`ll post a piccie and you`ll all understand why i did`nt give up.....shes a beauty  :D
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 27 August 2013, 09:07:12 PM
Can I just ask, have you taken the bike for a test ride with the new regulator fitted and if so, has your stutter gone? Also, how much was the new regulator? Might be ordering one tonight to see if it fixes my stutter too!



This ain't a bad price for a new one, but if i were to be truthful, i'd be absolutely amazed if you both had the same problem!


[url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/REGULATOR-YAMAHA-FZS-600-TDM-850-TRX-XTZ-750-TRX-/390319651155?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts_13&hash=item5ae0dd3953[/url] ([url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/REGULATOR-YAMAHA-FZS-600-TDM-850-TRX-XTZ-750-TRX-/390319651155?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts_13&hash=item5ae0dd3953[/url])







thats a very good price and free delivery...well found DARRSI  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 27 August 2013, 09:25:08 PM




.....wish it made sense,ive started doubting myself if i`ve cured it or just masked the problem......

Coming soon to a cinema near you: nightmare on Fazer street...the Stuttering Returns!
 
 :eek Aaah, gawd no! :eek   :rollin
 
 
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 27 August 2013, 09:27:13 PM
Well, it started well, as I said previously, some of the characters were a bit unbelievable, but Jeeeez! It had some pace at the end!  :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: darrsi on 27 August 2013, 09:35:23 PM
This is where you were going wrong, you needed a check up from the neck up  :lol



Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 22 September 2013, 02:36:18 PM
.ok fazer fans......wow,what a thread  :o .....thought it time i thanked everyone who posted and helped with "the stuttering one"....i couldnt of done it without you......CHEERS FOCCERS......with special thanks to ,FAZERIDER...ADETHEBLADE ... AND CRH




a picture to finish this thread off....well worth all the time and effort.........next epic thread "how to polish downpipes"... :lol



looks better in the flesh.....the red is a lot ....redder :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: darrsi on 22 September 2013, 02:45:04 PM
"...how to polish downpipes..."

Optiglanz........savage stuff that works in a few minutes.
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 22 September 2013, 02:55:12 PM
.ok fazer fans......wow,what a thread  :o .....thought it time i thanked everyone who posted and helped with "the stuttering one"....i couldnt of done it without you......CHEERS FOCCERS......with special thanks to ,FAZERIDER...ADETHEBLADE ... AND CRH




a picture to finish this thread off....well worth all the time and effort.........next epic thread "how to polish downpipes"... :lol



looks better in the flesh.....the red is a lot ....redder :lol

Can't see what all the fuss was about meself....... :rollin       ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 22 September 2013, 02:57:02 PM
"...how to polish downpipes..."

Optiglanz........savage stuff that works in a few minutes.






cheers DARRSI.........more help,thank you  :)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 22 September 2013, 02:58:12 PM
.ok fazer fans......wow,what a thread  :o .....thought it time i thanked everyone who posted and helped with "the stuttering one"....i couldnt of done it without you......CHEERS FOCCERS......with special thanks to ,FAZERIDER...ADETHEBLADE ... AND CRH




a picture to finish this thread off....well worth all the time and effort.........next epic thread "how to polish downpipes"... :lol



looks better in the flesh.....the red is a lot ....redder :lol

Can't see what all the fuss was about meself....... :rollin       ;)






hi nick.......could i suggest SPECSAVERS.... :rollin :rollin   ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 22 September 2013, 03:11:26 PM
You can suggest the Hubble Space Telescope if you like, all I can see is trees - where's the foccin wood?!  :lol
 
I noticed that you were too ashamed to post a pic until it was fixed - does it look different now it doesn't stutter?  :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: darrsi on 22 September 2013, 03:21:48 PM
"...how to polish downpipes..."

Optiglanz........savage stuff that works in a few minutes.









cheers DARRSI.........more help,thank you  :)



When i say it's savage gear, i really do mean it!
I didn't trust normal mechanic gloves so used a glamorous pair of yellow marigolds instead, and you'll need eye protection as well.
And i got a black bin bag and wrapped it round the engine behind the downpipes to protect the paintwork.
Even with those thicker gloves on the tips of my fingers tingled for a couple of weeks, you really don't want it on your skin or worse still in your eyes.
Sprayed it onto a small square piece of green Scotchbrite pad and just rubbed away for a few minutes on one pipe at a time then carefully rinsed off with a hose with really good results. It foams up like washing up liquid so it's easy to see what you're doing as well.  :D


http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php/topic,8580.msg86722.html#msg86722 (http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php/topic,8580.msg86722.html#msg86722)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 22 September 2013, 03:23:57 PM
You can suggest the Hubble Space Telescope if you like, all I can see is trees - where's the foccin wood?!  :lol
 
I noticed that you were too ashamed to post a pic until it was fixed - does it look different now it doesn't stutter?  :lol








its always looked good nick  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D .....a few small jobs to do and i have myself a classic in the making  ;)


i see your happy with the ivans kit  :D ...thats got me thinking  ;)
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 22 September 2013, 03:30:12 PM
Well, the Ivan's has cleared up my own bike's stuttering problem, and generally smoothed everything out. Had a bit of a ding-dong with a zzr1400 on fast winding A road today too, and doubt if it would have been able to stay with that one like it did before Ivanising! But even if it's not more performance you're after, I'd say do it, cos it just makes it so much nicer to ride generally.
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 22 September 2013, 03:37:07 PM
very nice bike that paul!! ;) .....cant believe you sprayed it ..red...though? :eek ...when it used to be the super rocket fast .....YELLOW!!!! ...........                    :eek
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 22 September 2013, 03:57:32 PM
very nice bike that paul!! ;) .....cant believe you sprayed it ..red...though? :eek ...when it used to be the super rocket fast .....YELLOW!!!! ...........                    :eek

Funnily enough, mine used to be ....red!  :rollin
No, seriously, it was.......5LV1 080 C
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: CRH on 22 September 2013, 04:00:27 PM
very nice bike that paul!! ;) .....cant believe you sprayed it ..red...though? :eek ...when it used to be the super rocket fast .....YELLOW!!!! ...........                    :eek

Funnily enough, mine used to be ....red!  :rollin
No, seriously, it was.......5LV1 080 C
....ya forgiven nick!! ;) ....at least you come to your senses and chose a ...PROPER ...yami colour!!!! :D
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: ChristoT on 22 September 2013, 10:57:10 PM
A STANDARD exhaust?!?  :eek

I can't help but notice you have a nice, shiney BLUEFLAME can for sale....  :lol :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 23 September 2013, 09:29:06 AM
all standard CHRISTO,apart from stainless down pipes bought from DEADEYE and k+n filter.....standard bikes sell better imo and now we are nearly at classic stutus,collectors perfer standard ,early models..........in red   :lol .......i`ll start a new thread to see whos got the oldest boxeye  ;) ......it could be me  :D
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 27 December 2014, 08:44:38 PM
Now this is what I call a winter warmer     :lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: noggythenog on 27 December 2014, 08:53:06 PM
Now this is what I call a winter warmer     :lol


Oh no :groan


What have we done
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 27 December 2014, 08:57:00 PM
Anything you can do  :pokefun.......should put this in "highlight of the year "thread, all sorted now and running as good now as when I bought it some 14 ish years ago   :D
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: 3legs on 08 March 2015, 01:09:08 AM
Hello all

I have today bought a 1999 600. it has done 32000 miles and is quite tatty - I only paid £650 for it though

I have previously owned 2 x 600 early fazers, 2 x thundercats and a naked FZ6 - so I must like them!!

It has a Scorpion race can on it and I took it for a test ride before I bought it- it rides ok, but did have a stutter on full throttle. I put it down to having a race can on it and that it has been stood for a year. I plan to put the standard can back on, put new plugs in and have the carbs balanced.

I read with interest this thread and it was good Saturday night reading!!

The paintwork is tatty so was planning on having it re-sprayed professionally. maybe a current white colour?

I hope that the above work will make it run properly, but will keep you guys informed


Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Paulfzs on 08 March 2015, 04:12:54 PM
this made for a funny read lol
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: midden on 07 March 2017, 10:47:49 AM
I don't normally read books let alone full blown novels but having completed this one i've  learned that it really is best to read the end first  :rollin
So as i now appear to be suffering a bad  'stutter'  (started mildly last year i think)  im going to get the multimeter out and start with testing the regulator.


Hopefully posting your trials & t's Paul will help ease mine, after a few paracetamol ofcourse  :\
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 07 March 2017, 06:56:02 PM
Hi neil........chapter 2 is all yours   :rolleyes .....keep us updated .....
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Lex162 on 25 June 2017, 05:24:55 PM
I've got the same problem :( Bike has an aftermarket can and pipes, my regular mechanic suggests it could be down to this.




So far I have done the following (some just because it needed it):

Still to do:
Anyone have any other thoughts as I'm committed to fixing it now!
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: darrsi on 26 June 2017, 06:11:02 AM
I've got the same problem :( Bike has an aftermarket can and pipes, my regular mechanic suggests it could be down to this.




So far I have done the following (some just because it needed it):
  • Oil and Filter change
  • New Spark Plugs
  • New Spark Pug Caps
  • Brake Fluid change
  • Carbs Balanced
  • Checked air filter - looks pretty good still

Still to do:
  • Replace Coils (waiting for them to arrive, not very patiently)
  • Regulator/Rectifier
Anyone have any other thoughts as I'm committed to fixing it now!


Did you cut about 10mm off the end of the HT leads when putting the new caps on? The internal wires get pushed into the outer cover of the leads over time making the connection to the cap screw not as good as it can be.
Do a quick TPS check and make sure that's positioned correctly.
Replace the fuel filter.
Difficult to suggest an air filter "looks okay", do you know the history of it? If not change it, personally i would go for a K&N, but if not don't buy the cheapest one you can find as they can be crap.
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Disorderlypunk on 26 June 2017, 12:25:22 PM
i read earlier about sealed in ht leads to the coils
i cannot garruntee on the fazers but these often can be redone with a bit of time and patience
i did some on my gsx1100 chop build i just used a bradawl and a little screwdriver while sat in the garden watching youtube
just started picking out the epoxy that was holding in the ht leads then yanked it hard (then got back to working on coils)
once out i was able to clean up the surfaces with screwdriver scraping, inserted new HT's and a bit of epoxy, job done
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: Lex162 on 27 June 2017, 09:42:24 PM


Did you cut about 10mm off the end of the HT leads when putting the new caps on? The internal wires get pushed into the outer cover of the leads over time making the connection to the cap screw not as good as it can be.
Do a quick TPS check and make sure that's positioned correctly.
Replace the fuel filter.
Difficult to suggest an air filter "looks okay", do you know the history of it? If not change it, personally i would go for a K&N, but if not don't buy the cheapest one you can find as they can be crap.


Thanks for the thoughts.  Forgot to mention that I'd checked the tps.


I'll order an air filter :)


running out of patience and cash to throw at it.
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: darrsi on 27 June 2017, 10:52:32 PM
Just bear in mind, "if" your air filter was clogged up, then the air would've been struggling to get to the carbs, which in turn would give you a false reading on a carb balance.
So if it starts running ropey with a nice clean air filter then that could be the reason.
It's unlikely but certainly possible, as i found out myself.
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: rlkat on 12 August 2017, 09:30:02 PM
.ok fazer fans......wow,what a thread  :o .....thought it time i thanked everyone who posted and helped with "the stuttering one"....i couldnt of done it without you......CHEERS FOCCERS......with special thanks to ,FAZERIDER...ADETHEBLADE ... AND CRH




a picture to finish this thread off....well worth all the time and effort.........next epic thread "how to polish downpipes"... :lol



looks better in the flesh.....the red is a lot ....redder :lol

What an epic thread. Just read the whole lot. You, sir, have the patience and persistence of very patient and persistent thing. Glad you got it sorted.  :thumbup

rob
Title: Re: stuttering fzs 600
Post by: red98 on 13 August 2017, 07:54:00 AM
hi rob.......not sure about my patience levels  :lol , lost my temper a few times and walked away  :wall .....


i did cheat however , i bought myself a second fazer half way through the saga , a mighty thou which i still have...


the "stuttering one" is still running fine and approaching 50,000 miles ,owned for 15+ years and still enjoy riding it..


was it worth all that hassle ?........course it was, its a RED 600 BOXEYE , fastest of the lot   :D