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General / Re: This is NOT an attempt to start a discussion...
« on: 19 June 2020, 05:23:39 PM »
Biggest con job in our history  :lol  Was reading a very interesting article the other day and it would appear Boris's honey moon with many in his party is coming to a rapid end.

As we have seen the Tories will do what they have to do, and whatever they have to do to be in power.  That includes putting a complete and utter buffoon in charge and backing him the hilt if need be.

The problem with Labour is it can’t even pull together long enough to win an election.  Fucking hopeless.
We're all in for more Troy party infighting, way better than the B word crap we've already had  ;)

Maybe.  I sure can’t see him leading the Tories into the next general election – though you never know.  But infighting – I think it could be more a case of biding their time, or waiting for the right moment, then a swift and brutal assignation.

With Covid19 and BREXIT you would think this would be the end of the Tories.  But it’s far from clear if the Labour Party infighting is over.  Or you may end up with no choice again – all the parties looking the same, whilst in the meantime Scotland walks away leaving Wales and Northern Ireland to contemplate where their future lies.

General / Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
« on: 19 June 2020, 05:12:04 PM »
At this point pure speculation, they don't know it's not been round long enough to find out.  That may change soon with possible second waves happening, with luck it will provide that confirmation. 
As I understand it.  You survive a virus because your immune system has recognised the presence of a foreign substance, called an antigen, and has produced in this case a suitable protective protein called an antibody.  The antibody recognises the antigen, attaches to it and removes it.

Post surviving the virus your immunity is dependant on how long those antigens hang about for, or whether your immune system remains primed to produce them. 

To be honest this is all way beyond ma ken.  But what I do understand, and am trying to get across to you Gnasher is that to gain immunity to Covid19 you first have to be infected.  If you body fights and removes the virus, you then have immunity.  Most of the scientists are in agreement that this is likely to be at least three months immunity.  But it may be much much longer. 
Yes it was, he was sitting on the SAGE meetings when all those decisions where being made, then he got rumbled, for interfering, he probably still is.
What you mean is England and Wales.  Cummings has nothing to do with health service decisions in Scotland or Northern Ireland. So that kinda kills your conspiracy theory stone dead.

It's here to stay for some considerable time, just ask the WHO, oh know you know more than them.
I think that is the assumption.  But let me quote a couple of scientists when asked “when will coronavirus be over”

“The difficulty with any modelling or future predictions is this is an entirely new virus, and the scale of this pandemic is unprecedented in living memory.” Michael Head, senior research fellow in global health at Southampton University

“It’s a question we probably all want to know the answer to and I doubt anyone knows for sure as it depends on many factors. I’d say we don’t currently know.”  Dr Jenna Macciochi, a lecturer in immunology at the University of Sussex

General / Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
« on: 19 June 2020, 04:43:41 PM »
The Spanish flu is still around, but due to herd immunity in never really gets a hold, most of us just get a little ill and there's a vaccines, so we can control it.

What the fuck are you on about?  Now I’m no expert, but one of the great fears has been the return of ‘the Spanish flu’.

The Spanish flu pandemic ended in 1920 (last recorded cases).  There are various theories as to why it passed, but nobody seems 100% sure.  It vanished almost as quickly as it appeared.

Nobody has any immunity to the Spanish flu.

Spanish flu is an influenza A virus and commonly carried by wild aquatic birds.  Remember the term bird flu?  That’s apparently when a type A Influenza virus jumps species, and if it ends up in domestic poultry it can then potentially jump to us.  There have been a number of scares over the years, recently 2004 then 2009.
Covid isn't flu we have as yet zero immunity and my never have, so the 'herd' dynamic doesn't work and there's no vaccine, we can't control it.
Covid19 is a Coronavirus.   There are hundreds of strains of viruses that cause the common cold, some of them are coronaviruses.  Human coronavirus was first discovered in the 1960’s. 

Why person A gets mild to no infection and person B dies is down to a multiple of factors age, health, race and others they just don't know.
One factor so far – is there are at least 5 different strains.  This was first determined in Iceland (they were well prepared with test and trace facilities, and able to further analyse the virus).  They vary from not very nasty for most folks, to pretty nasty for most folks.  Health and age is another factor.  Genetic make may also be a third factor.

General / Re: This is NOT an attempt to start a discussion...
« on: 19 June 2020, 03:07:59 PM »
The first time I saw this, I honestly thought it was a Deep Fake spoof.
I know, I know.  I had to double check. 

That - is the Prime Minister.  I mean fuck me - how did we end up here.

General / Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
« on: 19 June 2020, 03:03:18 PM »
At present there's no evidence, we get any immunity, that's the problem and one of the main reasons why so many have died.
Again, you can only get immunity from having had the virus. 
As it is a new virus, only those who have had the virus will have any immunity.
The question is how long that immunity lasts.  The scientists and virologists are saying it could be anything from three months to life. 
fiasco of moving older people out of hospital and back into care homes
That was about freeing up hospital beds and removing the elderly from an environment where they were at risk of contacting the virus.  Doing it without testing was a disaster.
which I wouldn't put past them was another part of the above policy
It was nothing to do with Cummings.
It will never be over for many until there's a vaccine. 
Not so.  The virus could disappear almost as quickly as it appeared.  Or it could continue to mutate, or we could find that post infection immunity is poor and Covid19 will become part of our world moving forwards just the flu.

there's just not enough data and that takes time.     
You got that bit right.

General / Re: This is NOT an attempt to start a discussion...
« on: 19 June 2020, 12:26:18 PM »

General / Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
« on: 19 June 2020, 12:24:03 PM »
At present there's no evidence, we get any immunity, that's the problem and one of the main reasons why so many have died.  Cummings and his 'heard immunity' theory as you've said this virus isn't the flu like SARS before it, by the time they'd worked that out it was too late!
You get immunity from having the virus.  The question is how much immunity.  It is not a reason why so many have died, there are only a handful of reports of people becoming infected for a second time. 

Increasingly Doctors are scientists are viewing Covid19 not just as a respiratory disease but also a blood disease.  It accesses the blood stream by damaging the lungs.  Doctors and scientists are learning more all the time, and treatments are improving. 

Best outlook is – it will all be over by the autumn.  With over 50% of the population having contracted it, improved treatment a and virus that has mutated and become less potent.

Worst outlook is – Maybe about 5% of the population has had it.  The virus is seasonally less active, and we enter peak virus going into the winter.

General / Re: This is NOT an attempt to start a discussion...
« on: 19 June 2020, 12:12:35 PM »
 So now Boris is on a big drive to get a free trade in place with Australia, apparently so we can trade Marmite for Vegemite and Penguins for Tim Tams.  A bit strange as these products are almost fucking identical.

Australia’s trading needs are largely served by a close relationship to Asia, much like the UK’s still are today by EU the transition agreement (which ends 31st December 2020).

Australian Prime Minister seemed bemused, commenting on Boris’s intertest in a trade deal expressed surprise saying that Johnson seems to think that a trade deal with Australia is “somehow a substitute to being on the doorstep to a market with 500 million people”  Her summation was blunt “It’s not.”

General / Re: This is NOT an attempt to start a discussion...
« on: 19 June 2020, 12:10:31 PM »
Here is the Prime Minister of Great Britain again :lol

General / Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
« on: 19 June 2020, 11:45:03 AM »
you can't hide from a virus for ever, people will have to be exposed to it sometime in order to build up antibody resistance to it, and so far it has not really mutated unlike the flu virus.
Yeah but the point is, if we had of listened to the WHO we wouldn’t have ended up in this full-on lockdown situation, and our economy would have largely functioned throughout.

Across the UK we are still struggling with test and tracing.  Westminster, after spending a small fortune, has just ditched it’s world beating top notch smart phone tracing app, and decided to start rolling out what other countries are already implementing.  Doh!

As for immunity, well firstly we have no idea how many people have already been exposed to it.  Secondly, we have no idea how much immunity those who have been exposed to it will have, it could be anything from three months to lifetime immunity.

As for mutation, there are already five known strains – so it is, as expected, already mutating.

Italian Doctors are currently recording lower viral loading for new hospital admissions.  That may be as a result of seasonal influence – like the flu – or it could be a sign that the virus is mutating and becoming less potent (don’t ask me why as I don't know, but this is apparently common in mutating viruses)

I think we need to remember that back in late February and into early March none of us was particularly concerned about this new virus.  But it spread like wildfire, and within weeks our lives were turned upside-down.  Hence the gradual lifting of lockdown.

General / Re: Could be the next FZ
« on: 17 June 2020, 06:49:31 PM »
Yeah you... dunno why it autocorrected to scotsville haha
You mean is Scotland still in lockdown?

General / Re: Could be the next FZ
« on: 17 June 2020, 05:13:43 PM »
Are you still not allowed out to play up there in Scotsville?
Who me?
I live in Scotland.  Not South Africa.

General / Re: Could be the next FZ
« on: 17 June 2020, 10:47:23 AM »
It was an R1150GS. I bought it 4 years old with 18,000 miles on the clock. Every other year something expensive failed.The gearbox giving up the ghost at 52,000 miles, on the way home from the 2015 Bol d'Or, was the final straw. The most annoying fault was when the two bob seal on the clutch slave cylinder failed, it caused fluid to contaminate a perfectly good clutch. Not a cheap job.

Yeah, I remember at a demo in Edinburgh I was attended years ago I got talking to one of the police bikers.  He had a FJR1300 and I asked him how he was getting on with it “I absolutely love it” he told me, but added that it wasn’t his bike, “my piece of crap is in for repair again” and he went on to slag off his police issue boxer.  My god he hated that boxer, and it seemed to hate him going by the number of times it left him stranded and calling for assistance.

Like I say, I’m hoping BMW’s design and quality control is a good bit better than it used to be.  Anyway I’m, covered by their 3 year warranty.  Just need the opportunity to get out on the thing a bit more.

General / Re: The cool bike thread......
« on: 16 June 2020, 10:13:21 PM »

General / Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
« on: 16 June 2020, 10:10:18 PM »

General / Re: Could be the next FZ
« on: 16 June 2020, 08:48:11 PM »
Oh that's fine then. It's ok to be rude about them.
Foc me.  I give up. :lol

General / Re: Could be the next FZ
« on: 16 June 2020, 07:17:30 PM »
Quote from: VNA - BMW Wank on Today at 12:00:17 PM
    Yeah, people like me. :lol   Now where the heck did I put my pipe cleaner.
  To be fair, you had kind of excluded yourself from your description of BMW riders by implying that they were no longer purely for that kind of person. But even if you do see yourself in that way (which I find highly unlikely) I'm sure that many owners would find what you wrote really quite rude and offensive.

BMW’s did used to, for quite some time, have a reputation of being the sensible option.  The gentleman’s steed.  As opposed to the brash new, look at me, go faster bad boy Japanese bikes.  And have you ever seen the BMW club roll into your town?  Plenty of beards, half face helmets and yes pipes. 

I’m sure we can all agree that BMW has changed quite radically over the last 15 years.  Well I think so.  Or I dunno, I am in my 50’s now – and I’m riding a boxer. :eek

VNAs signature is as self effacing as they come and then some.
Be careful what you say in jest when a certain administrator going by the handle of  BBROWN is aboot. :evil

I ride an old Harley and theres still a lot of people out there riding stuff like my bike because they are wannabe outlaws etc,
I always imagine that once you have placed your order for your new Harley at your local HD dealer, they then say “step this way Sir” and lead one through to the outlaw clothing department.

General / Re: What did you do with whatever else you've got?
« on: 16 June 2020, 02:48:25 PM »
Fitted a PUIG screen tae the Beemer;

General / Re: Could be the next FZ
« on: 16 June 2020, 12:00:17 PM »
Yeah, people like me. :lol   Now where the heck did I put my pipe cleaner. 

General / Re: Could be the next FZ
« on: 16 June 2020, 10:34:31 AM »
Dynamic ESA, foc that when it goes wrong. Getting the Ohlins serviced is dear enough for me thanks.
 Only ever owned one BMW.
 Never spent so much keeping one motorcycle on the road in all my life. So, not a fan.
What bike did you have Robbo? 

I am hoping BMW’s are more sorted and reliable than some of them used to be.  The three year warranty helps if you are buying new or nearly new.

If I was to buy another new one, I’m not sure I’d spec ESA again.  The demo bike had it, and it felt good so I specced it.  But maybe it’s just another gimmick like quick shifters, auto blippers and rider modes.
Its funny how beemer bikes used to look like oddballs next to their japanese counterparts. Now it the opposite. BMWs look like 'proper' motorbikes, whilst a lot of the jap bikes look like summat off a kids cartoon strip, with odd angles and bits of plastic flying off in every direction.
Yeah it’s one of the things I like about my Beemer.  It looks proper and solid – purposeful.  There’s still some great looking new Japanese bikes, but then there’s a lot of stuff that is just plain awful.

Another thing about BMW is their range.  They used to make a small range of odd ball bikes.  Now they seem to have one of the widest ranges of all the manufactures, plus yeah the three year warranty.  No longer are they purely for flat cap sporting, slipper wearing, pipe smoking wankers. 

General / Re: Could be the next FZ
« on: 15 June 2020, 11:25:34 AM »
My remote adjuster is mounted off the pillion footpeg. It's got to be somewhere accessible for ease of use, otherwise there's no point in having it.
Or one could just purchase a new BMW with Dynamic ESA.  My active suspension is constantly monitoring road conditions and tweaking the damping to suit.  It also monitors weight and automatically adjusts pre-load to suit – so no remote adjuster to faff about with, or spoil the lines of the bike.  BMW – what what!   :D

Anyway, I wouldn’t get too excited about that mock up.  It’s rough and ready, probably knocked up by a desperate bike journo needing a story during lockdown, and even if it did originate from Yamaha, it’ll just be put out to gauge reaction.

What is more interesting is Yamaha’s talk of turbo chargers. 
I mean look what turbos have done for cars


General / Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
« on: 15 June 2020, 10:20:24 AM »
Boris Johnson sent out eight tweets, I think it was, on Friday on Winston Churchill and statues.  He has never tweeted eight time in a day on coronavirus, he has never tweeted eight times in a day on the Windrush review, and what he’s going to do about it, on the review he, eh, that David Cameron asked me to do on disproportionality in the criminal justice system and what he is going to do about it.  So this feels to me like a bit of a deflection, lets get to the action, lets have some substance, lets do something about these historic injustices that still exist in our country, lets respond to Black Lives Matter properly, calling the protestors, pass the legislation if it’s needed.  Act now and actually there is no need for protest, and we can go on with dealing with the coronavirus, which must be the central aim. 
  David Lammy MP.

General / Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
« on: 15 June 2020, 12:22:08 AM »

General / Re: This is NOT an attempt to start a discussion...
« on: 14 June 2020, 01:52:25 PM »
It increasingly looks like NO DEAL.  Johnson and chums are going to take the oppertunity of losing the substantial negative impact of BREXIT in the horrors of the Civid19 impact.

A once-great British party is now in the hands of the “European Research Group” – loads of prejudice, but not much research – with one of its leading lights, Jacob Rees-Mogg, appointed leader of the house. Donnelly warns: “It is a fundamental category mistake to think that Johnson could ever be able or even wish to emancipate himself from the ERG … The ERG is now the Conservative party and the Conservative party is the ERG.”

General / Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
« on: 14 June 2020, 01:39:26 PM »
Here's some of the Johnson supporting Brexiteers in London yesterday;

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