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So, who had "Baboons with Chainsaws" in the "What can 2020 throw at us next" Sweepstakes...?

This is a thread for anyone who, like me, has replaced the OEM FZ6-SA (2006) rear shock with a YSS one.

Because I'm only 64kg I found that the ride was too hard and, after measuring, it turned out that the Rider Sag was only 19mm (it should have been between 30-35mm!)

Unlike the OEM FZ6 rear shock which only has 7 adjustment "steps", the YSS rear shock has a collar on a screw thread which gives a whole lot of potential adjustment.

Of course this also meant that I had *no idea* how much to turn it by to get the sag I needed.

It turned out that adjusting it wasn't actually too difficult, there's a small allen bolt in the middle hole of the collar at the back of the shock (although it's screwed right in, so you can't really see it...) so you need to get in there with a long 3mm allen key (better than the little short one they supply) and take it out, then you can adjust the preload.

For me, I found that unwinding it by 1 full turn gave a 4mm increase in sag, so I then did it by 2 more turns and the sag is now 31mm which feels a lot better.


General / Re: what did you do with your fazer today ?
« on: 26 July 2020, 09:42:26 PM »
Spent the afternoon sorting out the preload and sag on my new rear shock and fork springs (with help from a very patient and understanding girlfriend! :thumbup )
A lot more in the FZ6 forum...

General / Re: Exhaust DB levels
« on: 26 July 2020, 09:40:16 PM »
Peoples experiences of this issue appear to vary depending on where they live.

I pity the poor buggers who live at Cottage Corner on the Morestead Road down here, unless they *really* love the sound of bike exhausts (or they're deaf...)

General / Re: Exhaust DB levels
« on: 26 July 2020, 09:38:07 PM »
Mrs and I went for a walk in Upperford Copse last weekend, it's near the A32. There were many obviously large capacity bikes blatting past, clearly sporting after market cans,

Well it wasn't me, mine is still stock :thumbup

Thing is, aftermarket cans are bad for bikes because the exhaust system is designed to give a certain amount of back pressure. If that isn't there, hot gasses can escape from the cylinder and burn out the valves.

Also Fuel Injected bikes will try to adjust the mix to try to fix the problem...

Leading on from that why do 125 riders fit loud cans?

Because they think it's "cool" or "clever" or just because they like loud noises. It's not quite as ridiculous as the mopeds that belt around sounding like demented mosquitos, but it's getting there.

(The less said about the cager twats who run a rich mixture and then put a spark plug in their exhaust, the better...   :2guns )

Come to think of it what does a loud exhaust achieve that's good for anyone anywhere any time?
Well there's always the "Loud Pipes Save Lives" brigade who think that it makes people notice them more (which makes as much sense as riding around with your thumb on the horn button all the time).

What *really* saves lives is Defensive Riding and them not expecting everyone to get out of their way...

If you can wait a week, I can measure that part when I get back home.

Thanks, but I'm planning on doing some work on the suspension set up tomorrow. I was going to do it today, but the weather was crap :(

I'll just have to take the cap bolt off and measure it in situ.

I appreciate the offer anyway :thumbup

Does anyone know the dimensions (length/ external diameter) of the spacer on the front forks of the FZ6-S Fazer 04-06?

It's part 18 (or 38) on the picture.

Alternatively, does anyone know the internal diameter of the Inner Fork Tube (2 or 22)?

 I want to shorten mine to reduce the preload on the Hyperpro fork springs I bought (they're a bit too firm as I only weigh 64kg), but I want to get some PVC or aluminium tube to experiment with rather than start cutting down the OEM spacer!

General / Re: "Uncuttable" bike locks...?
« on: 23 July 2020, 12:34:39 PM »
From talking with people who open the locks, from both "sides of the law", I have concluded this:

No lock is unbeatable

As I've said in previous discussions, security doesn't buy safety, it buys time.

The only thing any security system will do is to make it more difficult to steal something, but if someone is determined enough and wants to spend enough time and money, they will be able to steal whatever it is you want to protect.

The aim of security is to make it not worth their effort or money in actually stealing it, since if it's going to take them hours or thousands of pounds to steal something that's only worth £500 they're probably going to look elsewhere.

That's one of the reasons why, although I keep my bike in good mechanical order and have done various upgrades, I don't take too much effort to keep it cosmetically "perfect", because any thief will see it's a bit tatty and figure they wouldn't get much for it.

At the same time I have had the bike data tagged and use a good lock, disc lock and alarm to deter the casual joy rider who would have to put in too much work to nick it.

The Laboratory ! / Re: Youtube video embedding broken:
« on: 21 July 2020, 04:55:31 PM »
I'm using Firefox with NoScript and uBlock Origin, but I have allowed YouTube to run.

Chrome shows the link in the space where the video clip should be.

The Laboratory ! / Re: Youtube video embedding broken:
« on: 21 July 2020, 12:59:41 PM »
I can see that ok...
Might something in your browser settings be blocking it?

General / Re: Behind bars!
« on: 21 July 2020, 12:35:29 AM »
would like to try them if the concensus is they are a good mod?

The question (which only you can answer) is "Are they a good fit *for you*?"

Have a look at this video and ask yourself: "If I put these on the bike, am I going to have to adjust my arm position/ posture to fit the bars, or will they go into the place where I need them to be for my comfort?"

General / A question for the FOC-U Moderators
« on: 20 July 2020, 11:33:59 PM »
Two threads have vanished.

Not moved, but apparently permanently deleted since my account no longer even lists any posts from those threads.

There was no requests to tone things down, there were no warnings, there was no locking of the threads to give people a "Time Out".

The threads have just been deleted.

I (and, I'm sure, others) would be interested to know who did this and whether the decision made unilaterally.

General / "Uncuttable" bike locks...?
« on: 20 July 2020, 05:07:10 PM »
From today's New Scientist magazine:

A new artificial material effectively cannot be cut, holding out the promise of lightweight but cut-proof bike locks, security doors and protective clothing.

Its inventors embedded ceramic spheres in aluminium foam to create a material that couldn’t be cut with angle grinders, power drills or water jet cutters. They dubbed it Proteus after the shape-shifting Greek god, for the way the material metamorphosised in different ways to defend against attacks.

Ok, it's not going to stop someone picking the bike up if it's not chained to something secure, but it should stop the "two scrotes with a moped and an angle grinder" sort of thefts...
 :thumbup  :thumbup

General / Re: what did you do with your fazer today ?
« on: 18 July 2020, 04:25:06 PM »
So, I finally got to try out the bike with all the mods in place and it's definitely very nice to ride!

I do need to do some work on the suspension settings, I think I need reduce the preload and get some more sag on the rear (I only weigh 64kg, so I think it's a bit too harsh as stock.

Also I might reduce the oil level on the fork springs slightly too, for pretty much the same reason.

But the braided lines and ignition advancer give much better power control :thumbup

General / Re: what did you do with your fazer today ?
« on: 17 July 2020, 10:25:37 PM »
At last got the replacement side stand in place and took the bike for a good ride around the block to check everything is working (seems so) and there's no sign of the engine dying as happened last weekend!

Tomorrow I plan on getting out for my first proper fun ride (ie not being loaded down with luggage!) and seeing what it's like with the new rear shock, fork springs, 4 degree ignition advancer and braided brake lines...   :thumbup

FZ6 / Fazer / Re: Back to riding again! (Hopefully)
« on: 16 July 2020, 09:01:11 PM »
I've got the FZ6-S rather than S2, but here's a list of things I wrote for the people who kept asking the same question on the Facebook FZ6 forum...

Provided it's had reasonable care taken of it, they're good, reliable bikes.

Here's some stuff to check before you buy it...

Firstly, the FZ6 drops into first gear like the Crack of Doom! This is, incredibly, absolutely normal.

Check the exhaust headers for signs of rust. If they're bad, it means other, important work probably hasn't been done.

Put the bike on the centre stand and get someone to push down on the back. Using fingertip pressure, tip the handlebars to one side and the other and see if you can feel any grinding, clicking or rough sensations which could indicate the headset bearings are knackered (which is a bugger of a job to fix!)

Also take hold of the front wheel and see if you can pull the forks back and forth which would also indicate a dodgy headset.

Bounce the forks up and down and look for any signs of oil leaking from the fork seals.

Check the rear shock and see what condition it's in. Clean? Rusty? Can you change the preload setting or is it stuck in place because it's never been moved and it's covered in crud?

Put your finger under the chain a little bit back from the centre stand and try to push it up against the swing arm. If it goes really easily or you can't get it there at all, it's too loose or tight. If it takes a bit of effort to hold it there, the tension is probably ok.

Feel the gaps between the teeth on the rear sprocket, if you can feel a "lip" or a "hook" instead of a smooth curve, it's on the way out and would need replacing as well as the front sprocket and chain.

With the rear wheel off the ground, check to see if you can wiggle the wheel or swing arm back and forward or from side to side. Either could mean knackered bearings which would need to be replaced.

Run the bike until it's warm, then switch off and let it sit for a few minutes. Check the oil level on the centre stand and make sure it's ok.

Other things to ask...

If it's done nearly 24k (or 48k) miles, ask if the valve clearances have been checked, if they haven't and they need new shims, that's an expensive job if you get it done by a mechanic.

The brake pipes are supposed to be replaced every 4 years, so ask if they've been done (although I'm just doing mine after 14 and they were fine, I just want braided lines   :)

Ask if the spark plugs and oil filter have been changed (recommended every 12k miles) air filter (25k miles)

None of these last ones are necessarily critical, the FZ6 is pretty reliable, but it would show that the bike has been cared for.

There's probably more, but that's a few to be going on with!

If you're happy with it, enjoy! :thumbup

General / Re: what did you do with your fazer today ?
« on: 16 July 2020, 01:10:21 AM »
Glad it was all ok in the end. I'd be inclined to get some Duck Oil (TM) in that kill switch to prevent that from ever being an issue in the future

Duck Oil is a new one on me.

I was planning on using WD 40 contact cleaner and then WD 40 itself on all the switches (clutch, neutral, kill switch, side stand), but is Duck Oil better?

General / Re: what did you do with your fazer today ?
« on: 16 July 2020, 01:06:00 AM »
what's a FOC-U salute ?

Raising a clenched left fist to the left side of your helmet.

Great, so on that post it worked fine, because it's intermittent...

I've been having the same problem for ages now.

It's incredibly frustrating, you write a reply so it's nicely formatted with a clear line between paragraphs to make it easier to read, then, for some reason, the forum software decides to remove the blank lines turning it into an unreadable mess :(

I've put spaces between the paragraphs in this post, let's see what happens...

General / Re: Dielectric grease on connectors
« on: 14 July 2020, 01:25:52 AM »
My brother's a "sparky" and gets me dielectric grease really cheap. I use it each time I undo any block connectors- it seals against ingress of moisture & prevents the pins furring up.

Thanks for that :thumbup

I do wonder if dielectric grease and silicone grease are the same thing?

Apparently not

FZ6 / Fazer / Re: FZ6 won't start
« on: 13 July 2020, 11:56:14 AM »
To round this thread off...

The new Starter Relay arrived on Saturday and (after a lot of cursing and swearing at the connector on the top which would not come loose!) I managed to swap it over and, Glory Be! the bike started on the button :)

So if you get an Error Code 12 on the instruments, but the resistance on the Crank Position Sensor is good and the continuity between the CPS and the ECU is fine (IIRC it was pins 6 and 9 on the top row of the ECU connector, counting from the left side of the bike) and your clutch switch, neutral switch and side stand switches are all ok, try bump starting the bike or shorting across the B and M terminals at the bottom of the starter relay.

If it fires up ok like that, then it may well be the Start Relay is knackered.

It's dead easy to fix (if you can get the connector to the loom to come off!), just disconnect the negative battery terminal, then lift the relay off its mount, unscrew the connector to the starter motor and the positive battery terminal, put the new relay in and connect back up (always do the Negative terminal LAST!) and you should be good to go :thumbup

General / Re: Dielectric grease on connectors
« on: 13 July 2020, 11:32:43 AM »
If you want to use something, use the correct stuff. Something like this is good but not entirely necessary as the contacts do not generally corrode to the point they cannot be undone.

Thanks for that.

The connectors can *eventually* be undone, but when I was trying to get the one off the start relay, I had to use screwdrivers and pliers to get it free :(

General / Re: what did you do with your fazer today ?
« on: 13 July 2020, 12:28:42 AM »
If it ain't one foccing thing, it's another...!

My new Starter Relay turned up yesterday and, as soon as I'd got it installed, there was no sign of the Error 12 and it started on the button! :thumbup

Unfortunately I didn't have the time to do a check ride yesterday, but it seemed ok.

So today, despite the ongoing lack of a sidestand (it was supposed to have been delivered by Hermes on either Friday or Saturday, yeah, right) which meant that I had to get my girlfriend to help hold the bike up whilst I got on (I've got short legs and can't get my leg over [snigger] and get it off the centre stand).

Everything was fine until I was on my way out of Portsmouth and, whilst I was stopped at traffic lights on the roundabout at the bottom of the Mile End Road, the engine suddenly cut out.

I pressed the starter and it fired ok, but then, about 100 yards short of where it changes to the M275, the engine died on me entirely and left me stranded against the kerb of the central reservation as traffic on my left prevented me pulling over that way.

Unfortunately, I was now stuck, because I couldn't get off the bike without the side stand and, even if I could, since I was loaded up with panniers and top box full of stock (I was on my way to a Market), I wouldn't have been able to get it onto the centre stand :(

Fortunately, another biker was not far behind me and saw I was in trouble, so pulled up behind me, got off and directed traffic to go "underneath" me, then gave me a hand to get the bike across the road and into a bus stop on the non-motorway side of the road and then lift it onto the centre stand.

I tried the starter again without any luck and when I switched off and back on again, I couldn't hear the pump priming.

So I lifted the tank checked the fuel pump connector was securely in place, the breather pipe wasn't kinked and, because something like this had happened years ago when I first got the bike, I flicked the Kill Switch a few times as a duff KS had resulted in a similar situation.

Thankfully, when I tried the starter again, it fired and, by leaning the left pannier against a litter bin, I was able to remount and ride on.

Of course this did mean that every time the bike went over a bump or I was buffetted by a bit of wind, I was paranoid that it was going to cut out again.

Fortunately that didn't happen and someone helped hold the bike at the market when I arrived so I could park up and the ride home was uneventful, so, with any luck, the new side stand will arrive tomorrow and I can get back on and off properly, then do a proper check ride :thumbup

Oh and a PS to this: The Market was in Rottingdean near Brighton.

Whilst I was riding back down the Bazehill road towards Rottingdean, there was a guy standing by a car on the side of the road who appeared to be staring at me and seemed to be shading his eyes or something.

It wasn't until I was about 100 yards past him and about to turn a corner that I suddenly thought "Hang on, was that a FOC-U salute?!"

So if it was, and it was you, my apologies for not responding, but I was worrying about whether the bike was going to keep running and the gravel and pot-holes in the road! :(


General / Dielectric grease on connectors
« on: 11 July 2020, 10:19:09 PM »
I don't know about you, but I HATE those stupid plastic connectors which Yamaha has used to link multiple wires. Some you have to push down on a tab to release the catch, others you need to lift a tab *up* to release the catch...

But, whatever you have to do with them, they're an utter ba$$$$d to undo!  :wall :wall :wall

So, has anyone used dielectric grease on them to help them release more easily?

I know the grease is non-conductive, but, when you push two connectors together, the grease gets "scraped off" between the metal contacts to ensure there is continuity.

Would putting it on those plastic connectors be a good idea?

PS: No, I'm *not* going to use Vaseline - a) it degrades any rubber it comes into contact with, b) it melts when it gets hot and c) it's petroleum based, so could, theoretically catch fire!!  :eek

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