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General / Re: Noise
« on: 16 August 2018, 01:55:31 PM »
So yesterday gave the bike a bit of TLC at a leisurely pace on my day off.

Changed the leaking water pump, did a Radflush, then new coolant, oil change, carb balance, and gave the bike a good clean up.

Bike felt lovely to ride this morning on the way to work, the carbs were quite out of balance but are all level now and it really does make a noticeable difference, especially at low speeds.

Shame the bloody noise is still there though  :'(

I checked over the chain again and the sprocket whilst cleaning all the shite out of the clutch cover and it does all look good to me, plus it’s aligned properly with no tight links whatsoever with the correct slack.
Which now does point back to chain noise again, but i’m wondering now if my over sensitive hearing is just picking up the whirring sound and i’m gonna have to try and ignore it.
I’m cerainly not gonna change the chain and sprockets for the sake of it, ‘cos they all look perfectly fine, so unless the noise takes a turn for the worse then i’m gonna leave it alone now.

General / Re: Noise
« on: 16 August 2018, 12:30:07 AM »
Watch this space, i spent 5.5hrs working on the bike today!
I ain't no mechanic, but i like to do things right.
Whether i got rid of "the noise", i don't know yet, but i will tomorrow?

FZS600 Fazer / Re: Chaaaaiiiiin
« on: 15 August 2018, 09:35:09 PM »
What is the chain of choice. Is it DID x ring?


General / Re: Engine oil light turns on
« on: 13 August 2018, 08:51:19 PM »
Yep me too had this when oil level correct and all it needed to stop it was about an egg cup full extra of oil.   :lurk Search on here for "Egg Cup" and you will see its common


FZS600 Fazer / Re: Thanks for the tip about 15w!
« on: 12 August 2018, 02:12:54 PM »
Only ever used X-Ring, they last much longer.

FZS600 Fazer / Re: ULEZ alternative bike
« on: 11 August 2018, 01:16:29 PM »
Especially galling when the study for allowing motorcycles to use Bus lanes revealed that we contribute 0.1% of the NOx in London

P37, Section 5.1.2 -   

"Motorcycles and mopeds make a very low overall contribution to road traffic pollution because of the relatively low numbers in operation in London. They contribute around  0.1% of NOx emissions and 0.6% of PM10 emissions occurring in Greater London"

London was all about campaigning for people to either use bicycles or motorbikes to ease congestion, and ultimately reduce pollution, yet they still stab you in the back and mug you off.

And now i read earlier that they want to put a tax onto online shopping to make trading competition fairer for shops. You seriously can't make this shit up.

General / Re: Noise
« on: 11 August 2018, 09:15:11 AM »
Don't even know what made me do it, but i was reversing the bike down the alley between my house and next door and decided to give the throttle a bit of constant high revving as the sound between the houses becomes louder, and the whirring noise appeared at steady revs.
So it's seeming like the water pump is the favourite to be the culprit, as the non moving chain can now be ruled out completely.

As much as i want to go and get on with it all now, as i have all the parts and liquids i need, i'm on standby for work for today and tomorrow so i've booked Wednesday off to hopefully get everything fixed. Plus it "shouldn't" rain that day either.

FZS600 Fazer / Re: ULEZ alternative bike
« on: 11 August 2018, 08:43:31 AM »
I work in London on the underground at night and this could potentially cost me £300 a month.
There are around 10,000 contractors in the same boat. Not to mention all the office cleaners, lift and escalator engineers, bus drivers and mechanics and anyone else who lives outside London and commutes in using their own vehicle.
I would love to see London grind to a halt if we all boycotted the city for a week next April.

I know they ultimately mean well, but it will certainly stitch up A LOT of people.
And the fact that there is zero discount for people living within the zone is quite appalling to be honest.

FZS600 Fazer / Re: ULEZ alternative bike
« on: 10 August 2018, 09:54:23 PM »
As I understand it as a rough guide any bike registered before 1st July 2007 won't conform, and must be Euro 3 compliant. I thought I read that this was commencing on 8 April 2019, which seems to be very short notice.

Congestion zone is 2019, then expanding to within the North/South Circular in 2021.

FZS600 Fazer / Re: ULEZ alternative bike
« on: 10 August 2018, 06:01:21 AM »
This will turn into one of the biggest money making scams ever, and i betcha the roads will still be shit.
Accidentally going into the ULEZ area without knowing will result in a £160 fine, or £80 if paid in 14 days.
They must be dribbling at the thought of all the money coming their way. Dick Turpin had nothing in comparison to this government.

FZS600 Fazer / Re: ULEZ alternative bike
« on: 09 August 2018, 05:23:46 PM »
Great, I didn't even know they were expanding that quick.  :'(

FZS600 Fazer / Re: Thanks for the tip about 15w!
« on: 09 August 2018, 01:33:13 PM »
Aaaand the bike was kicked over last morning.
Renthal bars seems to have held their shape (i get it now), but the front fairing is fecked, knocked at least 1 inch off center. I'll strip the fairings and reshape the flimsy holders I reckon.
Strangely enough all the lights still work, even the shitty $2 imports.

Btw, anyone else experience a huge initial stretch with DID chains? I got the Black gold x-ring and have a 7-8cm slack 200kms after fitting (3cm slack at delivery).

That’s a bit shit. The main bracket near the headlights can bend quite easily, but at the same time can be manipulated back into shape fairly easily as well.

As for the chain, i’ve only ever used D.I.D. and never had any issues, and definitely not slack like you’re talking about.
I’d be inclined to contact the supplier and see what they have to say.

General / Re: Noise
« on: 08 August 2018, 01:38:13 PM »
Spoke to a mechanic earlier when getting my tyre sorted, and apparently the oil/water pumps don't disengage when the clutch is pulled in.
But then it got me thinking, when i pull the clutch in i shut the throttle off as well so that would slow the water pump impeller, albeit for a split second, but enough to lessen the noise.

General / Re: Noise
« on: 08 August 2018, 06:12:04 AM »
"...On the fzs600, the oil pump is gear driven on the right hand side of the engine behind the clutch.. It has a shaft only that goes through the engine and drives the water pump on the other side. 2 separate components although sharing a shaft..."

Just read this on another page on here (courtesy of Bretty), would this mean the oil and water pumps both disengage when the clutch is pulled in?
If they do then that would further enhance the chance that it's a water pump problem, as the noise goes away when i use the clutch, plus it's not an instant shut off, it sounds like a very quick winding down which could be the impeller blades slowing down as they are not being driven for a split second.

General / Re: Noise (chain)
« on: 07 August 2018, 08:20:35 PM »
Might be getting somewhere with this now at last.
Popped round my mates house for a second opinion, and with a tiny bit of load on the throttle to stop the chain jumping about we both had a listen with the bike on the centre stand.

I noticed that there were a few drips of coolant coming out from the water pump area.
So now as well as a dodgy O ring i’m wondering if there’s an issue with the impeller, which could well be the cause of the noise i’m hearing?
I had one go on me before on my old bike, although i don’t know if they are metal fins or plastic on these bikes?
That could explain the noise from around the front sprocket area as well as it’s right next to it.
Plus the fan came on yesterday, and today as well, when trying to listen for the noise so that’s another sign something’s wrong. Bloody thing made me jump, i can’t remember the last time i heard how loud it was.  :lol

I took tomorrow off to do an oil change and carb balance as i’m working this weekend, but now i can’t do that as the bike will overheat.
I’ve ordered another pump and seal though.

But not to worry, my day won’t be wasted as i now have a leak somwhere in my new rear tyre as well :'(
It’s not a puncture, it’s either the valve again or the rims leaking, but i put 40psi in this morning and it was 30psi this evening, so it has to be sorted asap.

General / Re: Noise (chain)
« on: 05 August 2018, 03:11:20 PM »
Don't really know, i had seized disc bolts, then one snapped inside the wheel, so i just replaced the wheel.
That was 7 years and 20,000 miles ago though.
So you have done 20k on it but how many had already been put on it, or possibly it had already had some new bearings put in but of questionable quality ?

I'm gonna be bold and say it's not the bearings that are the problem.
It's from around the middle of the bike, ie: the chain area, where the noise is coming from, and although the noise quietens down when the clutch is pulled in i can't understand why wheel bearings would go silent.
I've had knackered bearings on previous bikes before and they've never made a rubbing sound, they tend to either make a high pitched squeak or grinding noise when they're on their way out.
There's no movement in the rear wheel whatsoever, and when i spin it forwards or backwards it rotates totally freely with no noises at all and no binding with the pads. Same as the front wheel as well.

General / Re: Noise
« on: 04 August 2018, 03:00:11 PM »

I changed the cush drive rubbers a few years ago just for the sake of it, but the ones i removed looked like fine anyway.
If it was rear wheel bearings would i not hear "something" spinning the wheel on the centre stand?
It spins very freely either way, with no binding or anything going on.

I'm quite particular about wheel bearings, as I've had a set fail catastrophically in far less than ideal conditions before. I also checked mine more recently (different bike) just using the "excess movement, spin wheel, check it spins freely, listen for noise" method. Seemed fine. Shortly after, took the bike for a service to have a bearing found to be on the edge of failure. What mileage is on the current bearings?

Remember that when you just spin the wheel by hand to check, the wheel is not under the load it would be from the engine, clutch out.

Don't really know, i had seized disc bolts, then one snapped inside the wheel, so i just replaced the wheel.
That was 7 years and 20,000 miles ago though.

I am beginning to suspect the noise is from the middle of the bike, it doesn't really sound like it's behind me.

One thing that has crossed my mind though, if the chain slide gets very worn is it possible that the chain could rub somewhere on the metal of the swingarm?
If this was possible then i'm guessing it will only get louder and louder as time goes on.

General / Re: Noise (chain)
« on: 04 August 2018, 02:27:48 PM »
You say that the noise stops when you pull the clutch in and that this rules out wheel bearings. But pulling the clutch in removes drive from the rear wheel, which removes a force applied; if the bearings are starting to fail, I think they would be affected by this. Obviously eventually they'd get to a point where it would be detected all the time, clutch or no clutch, but you wouldn't want it to get to that point.

I'd also look at condition of the cush drive rubbers, and I still can't help but feel the chain can't be ruled out yet.
My chain slider is pretty worn, grooved, but doesn't cause any noise, still has plenty of thickness to do its job. I reckon that's a red herring.

I changed the cush drive rubbers a few years ago just for the sake of it, but the ones i removed looked like fine anyway.
If it was rear wheel bearings would i not hear "something" spinning the wheel on the centre stand?
It spins very freely either way, with no binding or anything going on.

General / Re: Noise (chain)
« on: 04 August 2018, 12:17:45 AM »
Poxy noise is getting more irritating, i'm now thinking it could be to do with the chain slider, maybe worn, but can't examine it or be sure without stripping it down which right now is a bit of a no no due to needing the bike at a moments notice.
There's no performance issues, and still no feeling whatsoever through the footpeg, so "i don't think" any harm is being done, but the whirring sound is a bit vexing.

FZS600 Fazer / Re: Thanks for the tip about 15w!
« on: 02 August 2018, 12:16:44 AM »

Aaahh, last holiday place i visited.
Fantastic destination, absolutely love the place.

FZS600 Fazer / Re: Thanks for the tip about 15w!
« on: 01 August 2018, 11:20:06 PM »
Almost worth nipping over for a full service...

Where exactly?

FZS600 Fazer / Re: Thanks for the tip about 15w!
« on: 01 August 2018, 07:32:07 PM »
£50-£60 an hour round my way

FZS600 Fazer / Re: Thanks for the tip about 15w!
« on: 01 August 2018, 05:21:34 PM »
I put it into a garage to have it done since I don't have a lift, but no, it's not a huge job. 2-3 hours if you're a first timer with some mechanical experience at most.

I paid 230 for parts, and 130 for labour (+ some small parts and fluids)
Front bearings and oil seal
Front shock seals, covers, clips and 465cl oil x2
Front brake pads
Sprockets, chain replacement (DID Gold X-ring, JT sprockets)
Rear brake pads
Rear bearings+seal
Valve check
Oil+filter replacement
Carb check (no work needed)
At €15 an hour, might be different in the UK.

Hold on a sec.......did you say 15 Euro's an hour?  :eek

General / Re: guestimating clutch wear
« on: 30 July 2018, 07:19:44 PM »
Only in the same way that you can guess the nitrogen content of the air in the tyres by looking at the headlight bulb.

 :rollin :rollin :rollin

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