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General / Re: Dame Emma Thompson joins London protest
« on: Today at 11:17:36 AM »
How do we know?  Try NASA

General / Re: Dame Emma Thompson joins London protest
« on: Today at 11:12:54 AM »
The rises in temperature they quote just dont add up, like today for example was the hottest April 21st in Bangor in 95 years?

Yeah, I know, I say the same thing.That's why I said in my earlier post, whether or not it's real or not or maybe more accurately man made or not is kind of irrelevant. The world is undeniably going through a warming cycle at the moment but whether it's due to our co2 emissions is still up for debate.

Well in Scotland we have just had the warmest Easter ever.  Beating the previous record set in just a few years ago in 2015.  Both Northern Ireland and Wales have set new records. 

It’s also the frequency of events, not just records, but general weather events.  Both frequencies have increased significantly in the last couple of decades and appear to be continuing to do so.

The Greenhouse effect theory first emerged in 1896.  It has since been proven beyond reasonable doubt that if you significantly increase the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere then global temperatures will rise.  The vast vast majority of scientists are in agreement on this.  Yes it is man made and no it is not open for debate.

You have to sperate weather patterns from global warming.  This time last year I was out in the Scottish hills carrying and using my axe and crampons.  This year they are already back up in the loft.  But that does not mean that the earth has got 10 degrees warmer in the space of a year.

I find it puzzling that people are not bothered, or in denial.  For me, well I don’t have any children and I’m getting on the old side – so hey ho – good luck with the global warming folks – I should be gone by the time the real fun starts.  But this is the next generation we are talking about now.  Don’t people care about their children? 

And by the way I think it’s great that the new protest group challenging global warming have chosen to use the word extinction.  I am thoroughly fed up with idiots talking about saving the planet.  The planet will be better off without us to be honest and will slowly repair any damage we have inflicted on it.  Combating Global warming is about saving our own asses.


General / Re: Dame Emma Thompson joins London protest
« on: 21 April 2019, 10:12:04 PM »
The rises in temperature they quote just dont add up, like today for example was the hottest April 21st in Bangor in 95 years?
so 95 years ago when there weren't commercial planes, hardly anyone had a vehicle, no central heating etc etc yet it was almost as hot as now? Almost all of these heat records are from times before anyone had a carbon foot print
You are confusing weather, or weather patterns with global warming.

General / Re: Dame Emma Thompson joins London protest
« on: 21 April 2019, 04:15:45 PM »

General / Re: Dame Emma Thompson joins London protest
« on: 21 April 2019, 03:05:40 PM »
Suggestions on a postcard please....
   Global emissions are a symptom of the Human condition. However much we have, we want more. Some just want somewhere to live and something to eat, others want another super yacht or another Ferrari for their collection or another holiday cottage. Greed is feeding industry and industry is feeding greed. Those with the most, want the most and don't care about those who have less or what damage they do to their planet to get it. I would happily bet that those with their vast sums of wealth don't lose a moments sleep over the harm that they do in their quest for more. They live in their ivory towers, isolated from problems that affect the less well off.
   Solar panels, wind turbines, electric vehicles and the like are all very laudable but they just encourage guilt free consumption. The success of a nation is judged on it's GDP and whether it produced more this year than it did last year, if it didn't, it's failing, so the drive to make more and encourage people to buy more is increased, and then to make it cheaper so they can buy even more. Until the people in power and those with the means to actually make any kind of difference start setting the example, not just in this country but worldwide, and start caring about the planet, not just their bubble, we can drive less and recycle more and make sure we turn off the lights and turn down the heating and all the other stuff we're told we need to do as individuals but we are absolutely pissing into the wind because the sad fact is those who care can't make any significant difference and those who can make a significant difference don't care.

I don’t disagree with much of what you say vinnyb.  But the fact remains that what we are seeing is the beginning of the end. 
The interesting thing is, that if indeed the human race becomes extinct, it will be the first species to not only know it is about to be wiped out, but not only that, but to have had the means to prevent it’s extinction. 
The simple fact remains that global warming past 1.5 degrees C is preventable. 

General / Re: Dame Emma Thompson joins London protest
« on: 21 April 2019, 01:03:38 PM »
Absolutely but the UK could reduce emissions to zero and it would make, at best a tiny dent on World emissions.
Which is exactly the direction we should be moving in.  There’s not really much choice, though we seem to be doing pretty well at denying and dodging the issue.
And of course, those who take a lead and develop the technologies required will reap the rewards.  It’s a no brainer.  But in the meatime………….

General / Re: Dame Emma Thompson joins London protest
« on: 21 April 2019, 12:20:15 PM »
It's primarily heavy industry and the dependence on coal for power in China, that is responsible for their emissions but that is only because so many of the population are dirt poor and probably don't even have mains electric but as they become wealthier and increase their spending on televisions, washing machines, cars and the other stuff that you buy as your finances improve and their carbon Footprint will increase accordingly and obviously their industry is going to have to step up to meet growing demand. Only the naïve would believe that it's because they're trying to save the planet. They still think rhino horn and tiger dick makes you virile FFS. Ninety five percent of the population have probably never heard of global warming and the other 5% are driving around in gas guzzlers and living the high life just like the super wealthy in every other country. China are the biggest market for luxury goods as well as poached wildlife parts. China's emissions and planetary destruction isn't coming down anytime soon.

 Which surely is the reason why we should figure out how to reduce our emissions to a tiny fraction of what they are today.

General / Re: Dame Emma Thompson joins London protest
« on: 20 April 2019, 10:11:08 PM »
The population is being controlled - the permanent government is using electromagnetic microwave radiation via mobile phone masts and wifi which causes cancer, along with a whole host of other diseases and a general degradation in the ability to learn and is killing the insects. Perfect when you want to control the population via the MSM pumping out only what the permanent gov want you to know via the BBC and
sky falling over each other, sky -ocean rescue - bbc, blue planet and now not even bothering to wrap the lies around a turtle the bbc with a series on climate change which are all cover stories for the real killer.
The gov must be really pleased with their efforts to see that it is working that is why the cops were not ordered straight in as the gov wanted to test the results of the propaganda.
These idiots dancing in the street and posting it on facebook via mobile phone dont realize that the real environment killer is in their hands and that is only 4g wait until 5g kicks in.
The gov want every household to have a snooping/energy control/cancer machine installed (smart meter ) that produces non-ionizing radiation from the RF output. Interesting to notice that the adverts have changed tact from telling us it will save us money to now saying they will help save the environment. They are getting ever more desperate to get these installed, usually if the gov want yopu to do something - it aint going to be for my benefit. 
And the earth might be flat. 
Foc me :lol   Nope it's not April the 1st.Though I hear the magic mushies are out early due to the mild winter.

General / Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« on: 19 April 2019, 08:15:13 PM »
 Thanks Unfazed.  Good to get the view from Ireland.

The difference there was that nothing changed, but Brexit is a different story completely. There will be major changes.
But nothing has yet changed with BREXIT.  And with luck nothing will change, but there is a different mood in England and small but not insignificant extreme right.
Brexit is probably the one thing that may result in a United Ireland
I have been wondering that perhaps, more and more, young Unionists will begin to understand that their so-called Tory friends in England don’t actually give a flying fuck about them.  That even they might begin to consider that they might just have a brighter future in a united Ireland.
Wealthy people like Nigel Farage who earns between 500,000 to 800,000 a year and can afford private planes to bring him to meetings and Boris Johnson earning over 500,000 a year (Both with net worths over 1.5 million) do not have the will of the working class at heart only what they can gain from the chaos.
Yes, and according to Professor Minford, the darling economist of the Brexiteers, there is big money for them to be made from a hard BREXIT.  Don’t forget Jacob Rees Mogg – net worth 150 million.

As for Farage and Johnson, did you get your decimal place in the wrong place?  I would expect them both to worth a heck of a lot more than 1.5 million.

General / Re: Dame Emma Thompson joins London protest
« on: 19 April 2019, 06:51:38 PM »
As I said earlier, China emits 30% (11 billion tons) of the worlds co2 emissions with no firm plans to reduce them
Yet per person we all emit many times more than per person in China.  Blame China if you want, but the truth is they still have quite some way to go, to say the least, until they are as energy wasteful and inefficient as us.

If there was half the concern for the state of the planet as there is for a burnt down Cathedral, maybe there would be some hope.
I agree.  Yes, a building burns down and rich are out offering 100’s of millions.  Fuck the poor and starving, there’s a building to save.
Mankind's fucked and we deserve it, it's just a shame we've taken the rest of the planet's life with us.
And Extinction Rebellion intend to keep it on the agenda.  And they’ve done a pretty good job so far.

General / Re: Dame Emma Thompson joins London protest
« on: 19 April 2019, 02:05:44 PM »
But I wasn't talking about individual citizens
But at the end of the day what it all boils down to is how much energy we each use.

You can’t say that because we are a nation of only 66 million that we can use 100 times the energy per person than say China.  That’s nonsense.

And global warming will shortly eclipse all other issues. 

General / Re: Dame Emma Thompson joins London protest
« on: 19 April 2019, 01:27:22 PM »

General / Re: Dame Emma Thompson joins London protest
« on: 19 April 2019, 12:45:48 PM »
Maybe they should nip across to India or China to see what sort of reception they receive there. After all, their co2 output is increasing every year, not coming down like it is over here.
The average Indian and Chinese citizen uses a fraction of the energy that we do each year.  Our emissions are if anything stagnating, if not still rising, we need to do much much more.
Whether it's fake or not is kind of irrelevant, all these protestors should consider their own personal impacts on the planet before preaching to others.
Well yes, for some people it’s always somebody else’s fault.  Never our problem.


General / Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« on: 19 April 2019, 10:45:47 AM »
Watching the house of Parliament in action is nearly better than watching 'Yes Minister'. :lol

Aye political satirists in the UK are now all unemployed.  The BREXITEERS have put them out of business.

Personally, whilst there is the possibility of civil unrest, at least to some small degree, I cannot see any risk of civil war.  I mean the 2014 Scottish Independence Referendum passed largely without incidence.

I absolutely take your point on why the European project was started in the first place.  It locks all member states together and forces them to sit down, discuss, and find working solutions to any problem or disagreement.  On that it has absolutely delivered.  What was previously a war torn bitterly divided continent is very much largely at peace.

But are people in Ireland concerned?  A hard BREXIT, should it happen, will have a massive economic impact on ordinary people in the UK.   We do a shit load of trade with Ireland, and I would guess we are your biggest agricultural customer.  A hard BREXIT won’t hit you as hard as us, but Ireland could be dragged into recession to some degree.

Then of course the most important part for me is that we cannot undermine The Good Friday agreement.  A hard BREXIT effectively tears up that agreement and forces a border between NI and Eire.  I don’t think a hard BREXIT will happen, but it could happen.

Our parliament is frozen, stuck solid, a referendum does seem the only way forward.  That in itself is a major worry.  Today the truth is fake, and we have alternative facts if you don’t like reality. 

General / Re: Dame Emma Thompson joins London protest
« on: 19 April 2019, 10:26:25 AM »
I cant believe the cops were dancing with them in the street WTF.

Because the police should serve the public.  And global warming affects us all, that means it effects the future of ordinary police on the beat.
At the end of the day we are fast running out of time before man made global warming spires out of control.

General / Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« on: 19 April 2019, 12:10:47 AM »
Christ almighty are UKIP absolutely and utterly finished.  What the foc are they on :eek

General / Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« on: 18 April 2019, 09:49:17 PM »
Great solution, just too easy isn't it :rollin :rollin :rollin

So what's the feeling down your way?  Don't hold back.
I would hazard a guess it's that the English have taken leave of their senses.  Are folks concerned, or just waiting to see what happens?

General / Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« on: 18 April 2019, 07:46:28 PM »
A referendum on having a referendum? :eek :lol

General / Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« on: 18 April 2019, 06:43:24 PM »
And sadly UKIP have decided to press the self destruct button and pretty much step aside for Nigel's BREXIT party.
I think we can now safely say UPKIP is now politcially finished.

General / Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« on: 18 April 2019, 06:37:05 PM »
Time fae a giggle;

General / Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« on: 18 April 2019, 06:33:17 PM »
 That’s 11 pages Grahamm. :eek

As the chief political commentator for The Daily Telegraph, he might perhaps admit that he was part of the problem.  That he did his bit to deliver the madness that is BREXIT.

Anyway, I’m not convinced many here are going to read all that.  So I’ve picked off some quotes,

I admire the prime minister, think she’s a hero, and have been one of her strong supporters.
Which suggests The Chief Political editor of the Telegraph is off his trolley.  However…..
It is practically certain that the next Tory leader will rip up Mrs May’s deal, however sensible and well-intentioned, and then embark on another two-year-long attritional battle with Europe. Does anybody truly want this? And just think what damage will be done to Britain as a nation.
But the EU isn’t prepared to renegotiate.  And of course, May’s Deal settles nothing.  The risk is actually that the next Tory PM, that is if May ever goes, will crash us out of the EU.
Investment-led growth has collapsed, and we need to stare that undeniable fact squarely in the face. Just look at the events of the early months of this year.
Yup totally agree with him there.
I vividly recall the wave of national elation when Margaret Thatcher brought Japanese car manufacturers to the declining north-east of England in the 1980s. This was a turning point in British industrial history.
And I agree again, that BREXIT is risking the desolation of British manufacturing industry.  The Japanese car manufacturers are already leaving.
When she was home secretary, Theresa May kept promising to combat the relatively high levels of immigration. The reality was she was powerless to do anything about it.
That’s simply not true.  The truth is that she would not apply the rules of freedom of movement.  The truth is that freedom of movement within the EU is not an issue for the UK.
The EU has just signed a huge, ground-breaking free-trade deal with Japan. If we leave, we must begin complex negotiations to get something as good. Does anyone seriously think we could get something better?
Which is why we need to kill BREXIT now.  It’s possible that if we did Honda could be persuaded to stay.  And Nissan and Toyota persuaded not to leave as they are without doubt gearing up to do.
All that will happen in future is that the UK, post Brexit, will be forced to ask to piggyback on EU trade deals with, say, Japan to secure equal terms. Our only argument will be that the aggregation of our market to the EU’s will add strength. Which is no more than the restoration of the position had we remained in the EU.
Absolutely agree.  We already have and will get further excellent free trade agreements round the globe with continued EU membership.  Outside the EU if we manage to squeeze the same quality of deals, well to do so will practically take mirracles.
The Brexiteers made a succession of claims about leaving the EU that have turned out to be untrue. They said it would be quick and easy. They said that a raft of trade deals would be available by the time we left the EU. To quote Liam Fox, “The free trade agreement that we will have to do with the European Union should be one of the easiest in human history. ”
Yes, Peter Oborne and your paper was part of the driving force behind the lies.  Surely this man should either persuade the editor and board of this paper to change tack, or leave.  This is not any ordinary issue.  It will, and may already be, determining the economic future of the UK.  BREXIT is in fact an extraordinary exercise in self harm.  And powers like The Telegraph have extraordinary in terms of influencing BREXIT.

General / Re: Old man stuff – endoscopy
« on: 18 April 2019, 03:08:57 PM »
Cheers unfazed.
You rest your kidney against the orange thing, which fires the sound energy pulses in.The stuff on the C arm is the x-ray imaging stuff, which continually updates as the proceedure progresses.
Taking it easy today, drinking loads of water, but yeah I'll be fine for the bike from tomorrow onwards.

General / Re: Old man stuff – endoscopy
« on: 18 April 2019, 02:01:22 PM »
This looks very similar to the machine I was on yesterday.

General / Re: Old man stuff – endoscopy
« on: 18 April 2019, 01:57:17 PM »
 Cheers Anquetil,
Ach, just some long term digestive and kidney stone issues.  Hopefully neither will become too serious – touch wood.  Oh yeah and a bad start to the year with shingles and ma bleedin knee playing up.  Ah the joys of getting old.  Sounds terrible but really health wise I’m OK.

I remember well the first time I became aware of kidney stone issues.  Probably coming on 20 years ago. I had a bit of what I thought was mild back pain for a few days.  The pain got worse, then on one visit to the toilet I passed dark red urine and I then threw up.  A few hours later I was calling the NHS line – they told me to take a couple of paracetamols and lie down!  I couldn’t sit still never mind lie down.  In fact, I had to phone for me mammy and get her to call the NHS line again as I could not sit still enough to use the phone.  They dispatched the local GP who gave me a shot of morphine and told me to go to the hospital.  My mammy then drove me to A&E where I was given more morphine and I spent the night there and most of the following day.  And oh, I love morphine. The old kidney x-rays were fun.  They put a bar across to block your ureters, then they produced a half pint sized syringe full of iodine and pumped it into you.  X-ray technology has improve a shit load in the last couple of decades. 

I think lots of people live their whole life with multiple small stones without ever realising they have them.  I’ve just got one right now that wants out.

Lithotripsy machine just fires targeted sound pulses to smash the stone.  The remains of the stone will hopefully now just pass out in my pee. 

The machine I was on yesterday was clearly a lot more sophisticated than the one I was on about 15 years ago.  The big difference seems to be the new one uses some new-fangled live x-ray head to target the stone.  The old machine used ultrasound to find the stone.  I’m wondering if my consultant (not the consultant that I saw yesterday) doesn’t quite fully appreciate what the latest machines can see.  He was keen to put me under and go in with the laser camera, which though a routine procedure, is clearly higher risk and surely much much more expensive. 

A quick search for videos and photos of Lithotripsy and I note some health services sedate people for lithotripsy.  It is quite painful.

Gary told me some folks take 100 shocks, get up and walk out the door.  Some can’t take full power shocks.  I took 300 or 400 at full power and Gary decided to back off 10% as I was struggling a bit.  And he gets little old ladies who lie down, hardly say a word and take the whole 3000 shocks in one run with the vast majority of them at full power.

General / Re: Old man stuff – endoscopy
« on: 17 April 2019, 06:49:25 PM »
lol a lot of us are definitely in a certain club for blokes of a certain age. getting old sucks dunnit fellers...
The geriatric adventures continue bud,

 So, up at 05.30 today and off on the first train to Glasgow.  Walked across the city centre to the old Royal Infirmary, and after what seemed like another mile of walking though the hospital found the Urology department with plenty of time to spare.  Weirdly my appointment time was 08.30 but the notice on the door stated they didn’t open till 08.45  Eh?

So just after 08.30 I chapped the locked door, and yeah, somebody came and let me in.

Booked in, manage to produce a pee sample and saw the consultant for a chat.

Got changed and went for pre-prep.  I tried my best to avoid the anti-inflammatory suppository, I reminded them that I’m mildly asthmatic, but nope I was told one way or another it’s going in.  So, I bent over the table, lifted my gown and before I could say – right I’m ready – the nice female nurse had popped it in.  A quick x-ray, two tramadol and an anti-biotic and I was good to go.

So, into theatre and up onto the lipotripsy machine.  And basically, a nice young motorcyclist called Gary kicked me in my left kidney 3000 times in order to shatter one of my kidney stones.

Annoyingly Gary explained that the current generation of lipotripsy machine with it’s built in x-ray head can see pretty much most of what the big rig next door can.  My stones are mostly really small and they have refused me lipotripsy for a number of years now.  They have refused me because they told me the machine will not be able to see my stones.  There’s also been a long term funding issue in Scotland for lipotripsy.  God knows why, when it’s relatively low risk and effective.  Kidney stones can cause a great deal of distress, cost the NHS a small fortune in emergency admissions to administer morphine  and/or to clear blood clots.  I had asked my consultant several times to refer me even just to let the machine operator to stick me on and have a look – it would take about 2 or 3 minutes to determine if they could be seen.  And not only could Gary’s machine see my small stones but he was able to show me three tiny bits of the shattered stone on the screen which he said should now be small enough to slip out naturally into my bladder with the rest of the stone having been pulverised into grit.

Anyway 40 minutes and 3000 pings and I was done.  Did have to stop for a minute’s rest now and again.  Quite painful, and I even left a nice wee smear of blood on lipotripsy ping head.  Drank a pint of water, did a very bloody pee and I was good to go.  A good friend picked me up and got me back down the road.

Gary and the staff were excellent, first class, had a few good laughs with the staff as well as the next victim for treatment.

So gotta take it easy tomorrow, drink loads of water and take my tablets for a week.  They told me one days rest and I can then do as I please.

So if I’m lucky we’ve just blasted the stone that my kidney keeps trying to reject.  If not, there are two remaining stones in my left kidney, so theoretically another two sessions and I should be pain free for a good while.

There’s five stones in my right kidney but other than the odd twinge, or some dull pain for a few hours once in a blue moon, well so far (fingers crossed) my right kidney hasn’t had a proper go at rejecting them.

So here’s hoping.

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