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General / Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« on: 11 November 2018, 02:51:00 PM »
I don't care. I'm with ogri. I want Brexit. Unfortunately for you, I got a vote too. Deal with it.  :D

BREXIT job losses last week;
 Michelin tyres Dundee.  845 jobs to go.
Schaeffler Plymouth and Llanelli.  500 jobs to go.
Guess they will just have to deal with it too.


General / Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« on: 11 November 2018, 12:33:07 PM »
The whole idea was daft in the first place. Done to silence the Tory right and UKIP once and for all. Except it massively backfired. All about internal Tory party infighting.

And here we are. A split nation with nobody happy....
Indeed.  Absolute utter selfishness
 It was to pull the significant extreme right wing of the party in line, and yes kill UKIP. Cameron and his buddies didn’t think for one minute what would happen if they lost the subsequent referendum.

Hundreds of thousands, across many industries, as companies moved thier business to Europe and we were forced to privatise our state-owned enterprises, with only the NHS surviving the cherry picking
This was one of the problems with the EU referendum.  We’d had some 37 odd years of right wing neo liberal governments.  Privatise everything, even schools and hospitals have been partially privatised through the PFI PPP debacles, social and care contracts privatised, our prisons privatised, social housing – everything privatised. The Tory dream of a flexible low wage economy.  Our terms and conditions slashed, pay the employee what you can get away with and maximise profit at every opportunity.  Over three decades of socialism for the rich.

None of it EU policy.  This was all done by the Tories with New Labour carrying on their work.

So no wonder people were and are pissed off.  We’ve been getting screwed for decades, even to the point we now have austerity and food banks for the hungry in nearly every major town across the country.

Given a ball to kick, well even people who had never ever voted before in their life came out registered to vote and kicked that ball hard.

Sadly we kicked the wrong ball.  The EU is not to blame for our ills, our own governments screwed us.

BREXIT is simply a continuation of Thatcherism, the extreme right of the Tory Party is getting it’s way.  They are going to finish the job she started, and you and I are going to pay the price.


General / Re: So What're You Listening To Today?
« on: 11 November 2018, 12:04:25 PM »
Or unplugged a bit;

General / Re: So What're You Listening To Today?
« on: 11 November 2018, 12:03:17 PM »
Quiet nice  ;) Maybe you like this too:

Not bad,
Kurt Vile? 

General / Re: So What're You Listening To Today?
« on: 10 November 2018, 09:23:03 PM »
Err, just in from an afternoon/evening stint in the pub, love this chick,

General / Re: Today's "What Gets My Goat"
« on: 10 November 2018, 09:12:44 PM »
VNA, what should we have done in the face of Hitler and the nazis?

I don’t want to get too deeply drawn into such matters on the eve of Remembrance Day, as I am aware that my views may offend.

But yes I do remember, and yes my family like many, or maybe most was very much effected by the great war.

I also remember the forgotten International Brigades, of which there were many volunteers for from Scotland.  Perhaps our then governments should have paid the attention that these men, socialists, anarchists and communists, paid to the sick perversion of nationalist fascism that was creeping across Europe at that time.

And yes, I also remember the bravery of the 1914-18 conscientious objectors.  One thing they were not was cowards.

Whilst I think of our crimes recently in Afghanistan and Iraq.  I think too of the arms companies whom will call on their employees to stop for a 2-minute silence before they resume working on Saudi’s next order. The resulting children in Yemen, whom if they have dodged the British made missiles now face starvation.  Starvation, one hellish death.

And if you’ve read All Quiet On the Western Front, can I suggest you seek out another controversial and long buried foreign title – FEAR by Gabriel Chevallier.

It’s a funny question you ask me Hedgetrimmer, as if I am not mistaken many here expressed horror at my suggestions in the past as to how to deal with the BNP and EDF. 


General / Re: Today's "What Gets My Goat"
« on: 10 November 2018, 11:31:13 AM »
I have more faith in the majority young people of today, maybe not in some their politics, and views on life, but if needed I'm sure they would stand up and  fight as did the majority of the young generation in 1914 and 1939.   

To quote one German soldier;

But now, for the first time, I see you are a man like me. I thought of your hand-grenades, of your bayonet, of your rifle; now I see your wife and your face and our fellowship. Forgive me, comrade. We always see it too late. Why do they never tell us that you are poor devils like us, that your mothers are just as anxious as ours, and that we have the same fear of death, and the same dying and the same agony--Forgive me, comrade; how could you be my enemy?

Erich Maria Remarque (All Quiet On The Western Front)


General / Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« on: 09 November 2018, 08:56:56 PM »
your absolutely right mate, What the hell was I thinking... ;)

Ah well.  Thank foc fae that.  Glad we got that sorted oot.   VNA can go back tae sleep again.   :z

General / Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« on: 09 November 2018, 08:48:18 PM »
I've kept out of this so far. 
Just to prove a point. 

A thread Just for VNA..... fuck off   :lol

So I totally agree with Tommy :lol

And I was gonna continue to keep out of it, and anyway the title of the thread pisses me off.


Just as a lot of them want that terrorist loving rascally old racist Corbyn running the country.

What the fuck?  Seriously! 

I dunno what you've been smoking Orgri.  But I can't think of many people who have campaigned against racism and for equality for as long as Mr Corbyn.  Mr Corbyn has spent his whole life campaigning against violence, injustice and war.

Corbyn is one of those rare folks of whom you all complain here does not exist.  He is genuine.  He is not in politics as you say to line his pockets or have a good time.

I mean fuck me, how can you call Mr Corbyn a racist.  Seriously Ogri - get a grip man! :)

General / Re: Where have I been on my Fazer...
« on: 07 November 2018, 06:20:56 PM »

 I could have parked up at Talla Linnfoots and continued with my plan, but it was then becoming a long walk for a short day.  So I decided to knock off nearby Chapelgill hill to complete the Culter Fell hills.  Cracking views;

Just made it back down before it got dark;

General / Re: Where have I been on my Fazer...
« on: 07 November 2018, 05:58:21 PM »
I don't know the names of all the places I've posted, but you might well be right. On that trip, I got my map out, looked for a loop that would take me through all the places that showed highest elevation roads and hills, reservoirs and lochs, squiggliest roads, and wherever I thought was likely to be most scenic and fun to ride. Worked out pretty well

I reckon that shot is here, about 1km past the Megget Stone just before the drop down to Talla Linnfoots.  Recognise a few other places but I don’t think many folks explore that wee road. 

That’s about where I almost trashed my 4x4 Yeti last winter.  I was trying to get up that pass to the Megget Stone in order to park up for a wee winter hill walk, but I am now a little bit more knowledgeable on the capabilities, or rather the limits of an SUV 4x4 and summer tyres.  At one point realising I had made a bit of a c*** of myself and wasn’t going any further I got out to have a look.  The car was still moving and I jumped straight back in and checked the handbrake.  Got back out again, the car was still moving, I looked at the wheels and they were not turning.  I just managed to get it back down – thank – foc.

But yeah good policy, and you’ve not half been getting about.

General / Re: Today's "What Gets My Goat"
« on: 06 November 2018, 07:47:18 PM »
I'm with you on that one YamFaz  ref 2778. and I'll add offensive to those of as who had relatives fight and die in both world wars. So think VNA before you post such an offensive post.

I am sorry if I have offended anybody.  I find war offensive.   I detest the glorification of war.

And indeed, it is hard to find a family in the UK which has not been touched by war, and mine is no exception.

I'll leave it at that.

General / Re: Today's "What Gets My Goat"
« on: 06 November 2018, 07:40:21 PM »
Oh well, that's ok then. Take us into all the wars you want.  :)

We are now a democracy.  And indeed after Tony Blair took the UK into Afghanistan and then Iraq - what did we do - we re-elected him.

General / Re: Today's "What Gets My Goat"
« on: 06 November 2018, 06:54:37 PM »
Pfft. They still say, "we know what's good for you", then proceed to do anything but. And they still take us into wars we don't want or agree with. I don't see much change.

The differenece is today that we elect them.

General / Re: Today's "What Gets My Goat"
« on: 06 November 2018, 06:17:10 PM »
Yeah, bloody politicians again! (and I ain't laughing).
Well no.  Not as we know them today.  Politicians back them were strictly the ruling elite. 

General / Re: Niken or not?
« on: 06 November 2018, 06:13:58 PM »
That whole front end would be a money pit, even before servicing the rest of the bike.
2 front wheels, 2 front tyres to replace, FOUR Suspension struts to service. 2 sets of brakes...... this Bike will help line Yamaha pockets.
Just read a review in Motorcycle Sport and Leisure.  It says only the rear of the front forks are “live”.  Presumably the tyres last longer.  It has a single disc per wheel so still a twin disc set up.
So maybe not any more expensive to service.

The reviewer Gary Chapman was blown away by it.  Drain covers, damp patches etc – no need to worry about them.  Oh running costs, maybe those tyres and brakes might not last so long as the grip is outrageous and the braking force you can apply is phenomenal according to Gary.

On the track he intentionally tried to abuse the front end but just ended up scrapping the pegs all over the place, which he said was so easy.  Braking deep into corners is no problem.

While at the track he phoned Yamaha to ask – what happens if I take it beyond the limit?  The answer was first the pegs go down (that means you are near the 45 degree limit), then you will experience understeer and then once all the linkage travel has been used it will lift a wheel.

General / Re: Today's "What Gets My Goat"
« on: 06 November 2018, 06:00:11 PM »
Also a lot of people seem to think WW1 ended in a kind of stalemate. It didn't. It was a decisive victory for the allies .

UK population estimated at 45.4 million. 
UK combat dead and missing in action ww1 – 744,000
UK total military deaths from all causes – 887,858
% population killed military and civilian – approx. 2%

Imagine that.

That’s just the UK.  Yup a decisive victory – what what – well worth the effort – what what – well done boys! – what what. 
I suppose at least by the 1900’s they’d stopped shipping the bodies home, grinding them up and spreading them on the fields as fertilizer. 
it also led to the freedom of speech you are exercising here, along with the rest of us.
That’s a thought eh?  Millions of men firing lumps of metal at each other, blowing each other up, cutting each other’s throats.  Millions of dead.  Men, indeed whom history shows, one Christmas put down their weapons down to play football, share cigarettes and have a drink together.  Men with more in common with each other than they ever had apart.  Why?  They were simply told to kill each other by their rich political masters – that was all.

As for freedom of speech and freedom of expression, well, the mob mentality of war still exists to this day, just ask Nemanja Matic. 

General / Re: Today's "What Gets My Goat"
« on: 05 November 2018, 10:23:44 PM »
<blockquote>Nemanja Matic has chosen not to wear a poppy because at the age of 12 he was bombed by NATO forces. He probably knows more about war than most.
</blockquote>Errr, isn't that pretty much what VNA was saying?. Or have I missed something?.

Umm no.  But that is a very valid point, an import point indeed.  My point is he is Serbian.  The Red Poppy Appeal represents 'our' war dead.


General / Re: Today's "What Gets My Goat"
« on: 05 November 2018, 10:20:03 PM »
Aparently a number of Irish football players in the English premier league have been booed.  Such behaviour is replusive.  It just the same stupid patriotic mob mentally that leads to war in the first place. 

I buy a poppy but don't wear it all the time. Actually I have some problems with WW1. Empire vs Empire, shell shocked soldiers shot at dawn, public schoolboys blowing whistles so that poor devils could run at machine guns. Lions led by donkeys. Not our greatest moments.
Indeed, I used to wear a Red Poppy.   Some of the stuff you mention there is why I now wear a white poppy.  Though no I don’t wear it all the time.  Just now and again in the lead up to remembrance, simply because the white poppy is very much mis-understood. 

 And as for those who refused to fight.  Well I also have a great respect for them.  Those who objected during the first world war were treated appallingly.  And there were many who didn’t want to go, but you could say it was easier to go than to say no.

Aye and spare me the ultimate sacrifice pish when it comes to ww1, most were simply and needlessly slaughtered, even told to walk towards the enemy machine guns.

Aye soldiers shot at dawn.  And for a variety of reasons.  Some picked at random and shot just as an example to the troops.  Gee then up a bit with a random execution.   What what.


General / Re: Today's "What Gets My Goat"
« on: 05 November 2018, 09:42:37 PM »
They actually do have a box full in the studio that they keep ready to offer presenters/guests on the way in though don't they?.
Surely if you genuinely, sincerely wanted to wear one and remember you'd have your own on before you got there.

Indeed.  Absolutely. 

No one would just put one on for the benifit of the cameras would they? :rolleyes

Oh yes.
 I believe it is an unofficial expectation that presenters wear one.  And it appears to be spreading to other channels.  Officially it’s their choice.  If you are in TV and you value your career you will wear one.  That gets my goat.  It’s plain wrong.

The other thing is we now have presenters and reporters abroad wearing red poppies.  How stupid is that?  The whole thing is becoming a joke.  It devalues what remembrance is supposed about.

General / Re: Today's "What Gets My Goat"
« on: 05 November 2018, 08:27:22 PM »
To be meaningfull Remebrance has to be a concious, personal choice doesn't it?. Surely if it's just been printed on a shirt and handed to you without your request or knowledge it's meaningless isn't it??
Agree.  It's nonsense.  It's not just nonsense, it's stupid nonsense, which I find offensive.
And fair play to Nemanja Matic, who has worn such a shirt in the past, to stand up and say no.  It does not make sense for a Serbian to wear a red poppy.

Personally I choose to wear a white poppy.  I don't want to wear Lady Haig's poppy, but I do want to remember.  And in terms of ww1, I want as much as anything to remember those who were sacrificed, and all who lost their lives
People should be free to remember as they wish, that is if they wish.  It's a personal thing.  Poppies, red, white, purple or whatever, should not be subject to group think, peer pressure or the mob mentality.

General / Re: Where have I been on my Fazer...
« on: 05 November 2018, 07:57:52 PM »
On a longer exploration of the Southern Uplands in better weather:
And the clock on yer bike shows 12.21

General / Re: Where have I been on my Fazer...
« on: 05 November 2018, 07:21:56 PM »
Been gettin aboot then.
The one taken at 12.21 looks suspiciously like the Talla reservoir.

General / Re: Today's "What Gets My Goat"
« on: 05 November 2018, 07:13:31 PM »
WhoopsFoccing forum gets my goat too! >:

General / Re: Today's "What Gets My Goat"
« on: 05 November 2018, 07:12:16 PM »
You know what's getting my goat right now?
BREXIT?  Well yeah.  But something else is getting my goat right now, and its being doing so this time each year since 2011..............
Poppy fascism..
Why does anybody have to explain not wearing a red poppy?  I mean what the fuck?.
Apparently a footballer I’ve never heard of has had to explain why he does not wear a top with a poppy printed on it. His name is Nemanja Matic.  I’m thinking – mmmmm – interesting name.  And guess what he’s Serbian.  Why would a foccin Serbian wear a red poppy.  How stupid can people get?
No, frankly I can't think of anything more tacky than premier league footballers with red poppies printed on their shirts.  This demeans and trivialises remembrance.   Quiet contemplation at at an English premier league football game – really? 
No longer is it good enough just to remember, but people today are more interested in being seen to remember.
Rant over.


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