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This is a thread for anyone who, like me, has replaced the OEM FZ6-SA (2006) rear shock with a YSS one.

Because I'm only 64kg I found that the ride was too hard and, after measuring, it turned out that the Rider Sag was only 19mm (it should have been between 30-35mm!)

Unlike the OEM FZ6 rear shock which only has 7 adjustment "steps", the YSS rear shock has a collar on a screw thread which gives a whole lot of potential adjustment.

Of course this also meant that I had *no idea* how much to turn it by to get the sag I needed.

It turned out that adjusting it wasn't actually too difficult, there's a small allen bolt in the middle hole of the collar at the back of the shock (although it's screwed right in, so you can't really see it...) so you need to get in there with a long 3mm allen key (better than the little short one they supply) and take it out, then you can adjust the preload.

For me, I found that unwinding it by 1 full turn gave a 4mm increase in sag, so I then did it by 2 more turns and the sag is now 31mm which feels a lot better.


Does anyone know the dimensions (length/ external diameter) of the spacer on the front forks of the FZ6-S Fazer 04-06?

It's part 18 (or 38) on the picture.

Alternatively, does anyone know the internal diameter of the Inner Fork Tube (2 or 22)?

 I want to shorten mine to reduce the preload on the Hyperpro fork springs I bought (they're a bit too firm as I only weigh 64kg), but I want to get some PVC or aluminium tube to experiment with rather than start cutting down the OEM spacer!

General / A question for the FOC-U Moderators
« on: 20 July 2020, 11:33:59 PM »
Two threads have vanished.

Not moved, but apparently permanently deleted since my account no longer even lists any posts from those threads.

There was no requests to tone things down, there were no warnings, there was no locking of the threads to give people a "Time Out".

The threads have just been deleted.

I (and, I'm sure, others) would be interested to know who did this and whether the decision made unilaterally.

General / "Uncuttable" bike locks...?
« on: 20 July 2020, 05:07:10 PM »
From today's New Scientist magazine:

A new artificial material effectively cannot be cut, holding out the promise of lightweight but cut-proof bike locks, security doors and protective clothing.

Its inventors embedded ceramic spheres in aluminium foam to create a material that couldn’t be cut with angle grinders, power drills or water jet cutters. They dubbed it Proteus after the shape-shifting Greek god, for the way the material metamorphosised in different ways to defend against attacks.

Ok, it's not going to stop someone picking the bike up if it's not chained to something secure, but it should stop the "two scrotes with a moped and an angle grinder" sort of thefts...
 :thumbup  :thumbup

General / Dielectric grease on connectors
« on: 11 July 2020, 10:19:09 PM »
I don't know about you, but I HATE those stupid plastic connectors which Yamaha has used to link multiple wires. Some you have to push down on a tab to release the catch, others you need to lift a tab *up* to release the catch...

But, whatever you have to do with them, they're an utter ba$$$$d to undo!  :wall :wall :wall

So, has anyone used dielectric grease on them to help them release more easily?

I know the grease is non-conductive, but, when you push two connectors together, the grease gets "scraped off" between the metal contacts to ensure there is continuity.

Would putting it on those plastic connectors be a good idea?

PS: No, I'm *not* going to use Vaseline - a) it degrades any rubber it comes into contact with, b) it melts when it gets hot and c) it's petroleum based, so could, theoretically catch fire!!  :eek

For Sale & Wanted / Sorted out, please ignore.
« on: 07 July 2020, 09:19:57 PM »
As you might have seen in the "What did you do with your Fazer today" thread, I've had a bit of a nightmare and now I need to replace the left mirror and side stand for my 2006 FZ6-SA as soon as possible.

If anyone has these, please let me know.

BTW I'm also going to post this on the Facebook group.

FZ6 / Fazer / FZ6 won't start
« on: 03 July 2020, 06:01:49 PM »
After doing a bunch of work on my FZ6, yesterday I took it for a ride around the block and everything was working.

 I got home, picked up some stuff, tried to start it and... nothing :(

I switch on the ignition, press the starter and I can hear the relay click, but it won't turn over. I have had this problem before and usually if I put the side stand down and flick it back up so it gives the bike a jolt, that sorts it out (or, switching it off and switching it back on again...!)

But none of these are working now, however if I bump start it, it runs fine.

The side stand switch and clutch switch seem fine and the neutral light on the instruments comes on.

I wanted to check the neutral switch as well, but I can't actually find it! The Haynes manual says it's "on the back of the engine", but the accompanying picture is useless and I can't identify any of the components in it to figure out where the switch is supposed to be :(

Can anyone suggest a solution or, at least, tell me where the neutral switch actually is (preferably with a useful picture!) so I can eliminate that? If the problem is none of the above, I may have to try removing the starter motor and checking that out... :(

General / Foccer font of all knowledge - Sticking acrylic
« on: 30 June 2020, 09:12:36 PM »
I want to create a watertight case made from clear acrylic (about 2 foot long by 2" wide by 4" high), but I'm after some advice on how to seal it.

Yes, I can buy acrylic glue,but it's ludicrously expensive (about £20 for a small container) and that would cost twice as much as the materials :(

Given the size of it, using some form of caulk or sealant wouldn't really be feasible because it would be very difficult to get it into the interior.

So can anyone recommend an alternative that would work?

General / Write to your MPs to support other bikers...
« on: 24 June 2020, 08:50:14 PM »
The Motorcycle Action Group wrote to the Transport Secretary, Grant Shapps, last week with a set of three demands.
 The three demands
  • Specifically recognise and encourage the role of motorcycles and scooters as a socially distanced, congestion busting, and sustainable transport mode for post-COVID transport in all Government transport messaging.
  • Mandate all local authorities to immediately allow motorcycle and scooter access in all combined bus and cycle routes.
  • Mandate all local authorities to immediately provide emergency secure two-wheeler parking facilities that can be used by both motorcyclists and cyclists.[/l][/l][/l][/l]

You can find your MPs contact details on[/list]

General / Throttle balancing problems...
« on: 21 June 2020, 08:57:34 PM »
(I've posted this on the Facebook forum too)

I was trying to balance my throttle bodies today on my FZ6-SA 2006.

 I hooked all the gauges to cylinger 1 to calibrate them and worked out the differences in readings. no problems.

 But when I came to actually trying to balance them, I did have a problem.

Here's the set up...
 I'd checked the idle speed, tweaked the adjusters on the adapters so the needles on the gauges were just not jittering, blipped the throttle a couple of times then let them settle, but no matter what I tried and how much I altered the throttle screws, for some reason I simply could not get much movement on the gauges and certainly not enough to get the readings even nearly the same :(

I don't know what I'm doing wrong. Anyone got any helpful suggestions?

General / A good deal on brake cleaner
« on: 02 June 2020, 11:47:00 AM »
If anyone's interested, there's a good deal from a supplier on eBay at the moment, six cans of brake cleaner for less than £15

I bought some and it seems to do the job well :thumbup

General / Preload fork spring adjusters
« on: 20 May 2020, 05:56:06 PM »
I'm going to be replacing the fork springs on my FZ6, (probably with these ones from Wirth) but whilst I was looking around, I found these adjusters:

They allow you to change the preload on the fork springs. I've also seen ones where you can adjust the preload on one fork leg and rebound on the other.

Has anyone used anything like these and would they be worth it for just regular riding?

General / Political views
« on: 18 May 2020, 10:31:21 PM »
Yes, this is a thread about politics, but how your politics compare to others, rather than actual issues.

Hopefully it won't degenerate into the sort of slanging match that other threads have, but I hold out little hope...  :'(

Anyway, if you don't like politics, please ignore this thread and don't post messages in here saying "Oh gods, another foccing political thread, because you'll just make it worse (I know, you're already reaching for that reply button to do exactly that...!)


* * * * *
As many people are now aware, politics is more than just the old, crude, Left/ Right divide, for instance the Political Compass test includes Authoritarian/ Libertarian axes too.

So here is a link to a test that includes Economic, Diplomatic, Civil and Societal scales for a much more nuanced view of how someone's politics pan out.

For each question you pick an option on a 5 point scale from Strongly Disagree to Strongly Agree. If you're not sure about something, just leave it in the middle.

And, yes, it's 70 questions, but it really doesn't take that long and, as I said, you can skip an answer by not moving the slider from the middle.

You can post your results here if you have the courage or you can just say "too boring/ can't be bothered/ I don't want to tell" if you prefer.

FZ6 / Fazer / FZ6 Fazer Swing Arm Nut size?
« on: 17 May 2020, 10:12:55 PM »
I wanted to remove my swingarm, but the largest socket I have is 24mm.

I tried to measure it and seemed to get a size of 26mm, so I bought one, but that is just too small!

So can someone tell me if it's 27mm or 28mm before I go out and buy another socket that's the wrong size...

General / Spark Plug Tool used to remove front wheel?
« on: 17 May 2020, 10:10:36 PM »
I think I've seen people post about using the Spark Plug tool that comes with the FZ6 tool kit to remove the front axle nut.

But I tried mine today and it was *just* a fraction too large to fit.

Could I use the Dremel to grind it down or would I be better getting the proper tool?

I know (from reading lots of posts on various forums about this) that I'm by far not the only person who has had problems removing the sleeve at the bottom of the rear shock on an FZ6 Fazer.
Well I've *finally* managed to shift the bloody thing!

So, if anyone else wants to remove their rear shock, here's how I did it.

First of all I tried Plusgas (pentrating oil), heat (blow torch) and mole grips, but that wasn't working.

Then I tried using a Dremel (rotary tool) to grind a slot in the right hand end so I could use a hammer and screwdriver to tap it out from the left side of the bike, but that didn't work either.

(NB the above methods have worked for other people, that's why I tried them first)

So eventually I used the Dremel to grind two flat surfaces on the sleeve and heated the right hand bracket with the blow torch for about five minutes, then clamped the mole grips in place and tapped them with a rubber mallet until I heard that lovely sharp "click" as it suddenly shifted!

By the way, it's a good idea to mark a horizontal line on the end of the sleeve with a Sharpie or similar so you can check that it *is* actually moving and you're not just rounding off the flats!

It took some time and lots of wiggling, but eventually it started to slide out, so it's a good idea to try to grind the flat surfaces so they slope up towards the free end of the sleeve, that way the mole grips won't just slide off the end when you try to wiggle it free.

Also the sleeve doesn't go through or into the left bracket, it just butts up against it, so heating the left bracket doesn't do anything and trying to use a "puller" like the Haynes manual suggests won't do any good either!

Anyway, that's how I got it to shift. Fortunately the replacment shock (from YSS) doesn't use the same stupid design, so I'm not going to have this problem again! (y)

Hope this helps someone else :thumbup

General / You've gotta love Haynes Manuals sometimes...!
« on: 26 April 2020, 10:50:28 PM »
So, planning on doing some work on my bike, I'm looking through the list of instructions in Haynes.

Ok, do that?

No problems.

Unscrew this?


Move that out the way?


Remove the rear shock?

Piece of ca...

Hang on?

What?!   :eek

You could have mentioned that at the start, instead of casually chucking it in at about stage 8 of the process...!!

(I've posted this in a few places on Facebook as well, so sorry if some people see this more than once.)

Ok, I've been recommending that people *don't* use Harpic to clean their downpipes because it is not good for stainless steel. (See for example)

 But, since I've got an old FZ6 engine in my shed (replaced after the big end failed) and it's got rusty pipes, I've decided I'm going to put my money where my mouth is and see what actually happens.

 So the idea is to clean Pipe 1 with Autosol, Pipe 2 with Harpic and leave it on. Pipe 3 with Harpic and wash it off with distilled water and possibly leave Pipe 4 as it is. Then I'll spray them all with a salt water solution (to represent riding on roads in the winter) and leave them for a while to see what happens.

ADDENDUM: To clarify, based on a couple of comments I've received, the idea is to see if they are *more likely* to corrode after the Harpic treatment than with eg Autosol.

 Does anyone have any (helpful!) comments on my scientific method? Anything else/ better I could try on Pipe 4 instead of leaving it as a control?

Useful suggestions would be welcomed.

General / Tell us something we don't know...!
« on: 27 February 2020, 09:15:09 PM »

If you drive an expensive car you're probably a jerk, scientists say
A new study has found that drivers of flashy vehicles are less likely to stop and allow pedestrians to cross the road -- with the likelihood they'll slow down decreasing by 3% for every extra $1,000 that their vehicle is worth.

General / Insurance claim question
« on: 31 January 2020, 06:26:10 PM »
Last August some idiot took me out on a roundabout (cut across my path).

It was very low speed, so I only had a bit of damage to the fairing and headlamp mount and the front brake lever mount was bent when the bike fell onto its side, although the quote to replace that lot with OEM parts and workshop time would be around £1000!.

Unfortunately I've just had a letter from the insurance company's claim handling people saying "We have been unable to make recover of your financial losses [...] We have received no respnose from the Thirdy Party Insurers and have exhausted all avenues of recovering your costs".

They go on to say: "As we are not a law firm we cannot issue Court Proceedings on your behalf to effect a recovery of your losses".

Has anyone else been in this situation and got any ideas what to do next?

Frankly I don't really want the hassle of trying to start a Court claim, and, even if I did, I don't know how much I'd actually get back. There's also the route, but I don't know anything about that.

I do have Fully Comp insurance, so would it be best to just claim on that? I do have protected NCB (over 10 years) which should mean my renewal premium won't go up too much.

I'd welcome any helpful advice.

General / Autonomous vehicles survey
« on: 27 January 2020, 02:18:00 PM »
I saw this on the IAM Facebook page, asking people's opinions on autonomous cars, planes and ships.

It takes about 10-15 minutes to complete.

General / How to get away with murder: Be an American Diplomat's wife...
« on: 10 October 2019, 11:29:20 PM »
Harry Dunn, a 19 year old motorcyclist, died in August when his bike hit a car (that may have been driven by the wife of an American Diplomat) after it pulled out of an exit onto the wrong side of the road.

The Police wanted to question her and she said she wouldn't leave the country, but she then flew back to the USA and Trump has just said that the USA will not waive her Diplomatic Immunity and return her to the UK to be questioned and face possible trial

Having had a problem with corroded electrical connectors, I'm looking at getting some Dielectric (non-conducting) Grease to put on them to repel water and keep them clean.
I've looked on eBay and Amazon and there's various silicone greases which apparently can also be used on brake slider pins!
Has anyone used this stuff and can comment or recommend?

FZ6 / Fazer / Opening FZ6 Fazer instrument cluster
« on: 15 June 2019, 06:50:26 PM »
The speedo/ revcounter display on my FZ6 SA (S1 ABS European model) has been flickering for a while, but now it's almost completely faded out when idling and it flickers at higher speeds.

If I am running eg 70mph, however, the display works almost fine.

I've found a thread on a Turkish site where someone had the same sort of problem and took one apart (see google translate link):

The images aren't there, but they are on a different forum's thread here:

Aparently the whole thing is glued together and they separated the parts with a Dremel (rotary tool) which  don't really want to do if I don't have to!

Does anyone have any suggestions on a better way to get access or am I just going to have to cut it open?

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