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General / Re: Brexit for the hard of reading
« on: Today at 12:33:43 AM »

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General / Re: Brexit for the hard of reading
« on: 16 June 2019, 07:37:11 PM »

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General / Re: Brexit for the hard of reading
« on: 16 June 2019, 01:54:31 AM »

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General / Re: Cornering
« on: 16 June 2019, 01:51:22 AM »
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so Leaning is NOT optional.
There is only one way to make the motorcycle turn.  That is input via yer handlebars.

Leaning is optional.  I can ride to work and back sitting bolt upright if I want.  It ain't natural and really doesn't help.  But it's a fun trick to play with a pillion :lol

But at the end of the day, by leaning you naturally push on the bar end you lean towards.  There is only one way to make the motorcycle change direction.  That is by input to the handlebars.

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General / Re: Today's "What Gets My Goat" - NO POLITICS!
« on: 15 June 2019, 06:48:44 PM »
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What gets my goat.....You lot fucking bickering!!
I’M NOT FOCCING BICKERING!

Honestly some people.


 

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General / Re: Cornering
« on: 15 June 2019, 03:18:23 PM »
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Both...? u have to lean... :\

Leaning is optional.

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General / Re: Today's "What Gets My Goat" - NO POLITICS!
« on: 15 June 2019, 03:16:44 PM »
 
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Think people have been trying to give you and VNA hints for months now

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    Other than your ally mtread, you disagree with EVERYONE on here.
 
I think a wise person speaks for themselves.

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And that is exactly what i am doing.

Really :lol
 

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General / Re: Cornering
« on: 15 June 2019, 01:43:17 PM »
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yes we all countersteer.
But do you go round a corner by controlled input on the bars, or leaning over hoping the bike will go round the corner.
There's a world of difference.

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General / Re: Today's "What Gets My Goat" - NO POLITICS!
« on: 15 June 2019, 01:40:46 PM »
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Other than your ally mtread, you disagree with EVERYONE on here.
I think a wise person speaks for themselves. 

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General / Re: Brexit for the hard of reading
« on: 15 June 2019, 01:05:13 PM »

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General / Re: Cornering
« on: 15 June 2019, 01:01:45 PM »
 
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The counters steering is definitely instinctive, but you can push it further than the instinctive amount, attached pic has Jason O Halloran  counter steering  :eek

That’s serious counter steering in order to correct a rear slide.  Or perhaps he’s intentionally ‘rear wheel steering’.
 
Counter steering is instinctive in that the only way a bike can turn at speeds above a crawl is to counter steer.  But of you are steering by leaning, ie counter steering without understanding what is happening then you may not be fully in control of the direction of travel of your motorcycle.


And nor do you need to lean to complete a turn, cos it not leaning that makes the bike turn.


For example, lots of people won’t ride their bikes on moderately windy days , as they get blown all over the place, it scares them silly, and they don’t know what to do about it.  Obviously you keep the bike in a straight line on a windy day by the pressure you apply to the bars – counter steering.


I’m with Frosties. :eek :eek :eek   If you are scratching your head wondering about counter steering, is it instinctive  or not, are you deploying it to change direction quickly etc etc.
Then try the 30-40mph straight line thing.  Just play with it a bit.  Then think and feel it in corners, notice how you can change your line in a corner effortlessly with a pull or push on the bars.


I think it’s only once you have consciously practised it, experimented and understood it, that it can then become truly instinctive.  And a game changer.

 

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General / Re: Today's "What Gets My Goat" - NO POLITICS!
« on: 15 June 2019, 12:45:34 PM »
 
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You WILL state why, but still totally disregarding whatever anyone else has said.
If I have stated why I disagree, clearly, I have considered what another has said.  Doh!
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I don't need to prove my point,
You don’t have a point – you never do.  All you do is take offense at those who disagree with you and call them names.

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General / Re: Brexit for the hard of reading
« on: 15 June 2019, 11:55:37 AM »

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General / Re: Cornering
« on: 15 June 2019, 11:51:57 AM »
 
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So if you're going round say a left hand bend and look down at the handle-bars, they'll be angled to the right?.

Umm no.
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If you're going round a left hand bend and look down at your bars then yup they will be angled to the right.........at the same same as you've realised you've ploughed the hedges on the opposite side of the road and binned it  :lol :lol

Umm yes. :eek
 
 
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As for chicken strips, don't ever judge me by looking at my tyres, as my bike is for the majority part a commuter bike, so the thought of leaning it over at 10-20mph in London traffic, going to and from work, just to get rid of them like some sort of neanderthal dick comparison contest doesn't really do it for me. All i'm interested in is getting there and back in one piece.  :lol

Absolutely.  My short commute has a number of opportunities for a bit of lean.  Also I guess, for those obsessed with chicken strips probably the tyres fitted will make a difference.  My sensible PR3’s don’t have a particularly aggressive profile so maybe I am more likely to use the full width of the tyre.
 

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General / Re: Today's "What Gets My Goat" - NO POLITICS!
« on: 15 June 2019, 11:43:25 AM »
 
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Yeah, 'cos you've always been so tolerant of other peoples opinions.

If I disagree with another’s opinion, I’ll state why, put forward an argument and make my position clear.


On the other hand you darrsi, can only express outrage that not everybody agrees with you, and being unable to address the substance of any debate you resort to insults and name calling, just as you are doing right now.
 

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General / Re: Cornering
« on: 15 June 2019, 01:23:06 AM »
 
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I think countersteering is sort of instinctive...
It is, in that people are taught to lean into a corner.  By leaning to the left, you push on the left bar, pushing the front wheel to the right, which makes the bike go left.  So it’s not leaning that turns the bike but the pressure you apply to the bar by leaning.


It’s not until you understand it and practise it that it becomes instinctive, and for the first time become absolutely in control of the direction of your bike.


The only way a bike will change direction is by counter steering, and it’s all in your hands.


Trail braking with the front brake requires a firmer input at the bars as the front brake will make the bike want to sit up.  As Grahamm says care is required with trail braking – that why you see racers washing out the front now and again. 
 

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General / Re: Cornering
« on: 14 June 2019, 09:40:05 PM »
 Yup that sounds like them.  I don’t have any on the rear.


One key thing to going round corners, in my humble opinion, is to understand how the bike goes round a corner.  You need to use the bars to control the bike.   Ie counter steer.


If you ain’t already doing this then google counter steering motorcycle and start reading and watching.  If I am trying to tell you how to suck eggs – then I apologise. :D
 

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General / Re: Cornering
« on: 14 June 2019, 07:51:00 PM »
The hero blob on yer foot peg is usually (at least it should be) the first thing to go down.
Or if you are riding a C90, the leg shield touches first, and if you don't back off the solid foot peg goes down often followed a split second later by you. :lol

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General / Re: Brexit for the hard of reading
« on: 14 June 2019, 07:16:21 PM »

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General / Re: Weather window of opportunity.
« on: 14 June 2019, 07:06:14 PM »
 
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Great road up to Tyndrum except for the caravan/campervan wankers.


Depends which way.  I absolute detest that 9 mile stretch up from Tarbet to Inverarnan.  Some of our major routes are just shocking.  Then there is the traffic on sunny weekends.  If I’m heading south from Glencoe I’ll often dive down Glen Orchy, pop over to Inveraray (maybe stop fae fish and chips at the excellent Mr Pia’s), then head for the Dunoon ferry.  It’s nice relaxed driving/riding rather fighting with all the traffic.  I buy books of 10 tickets at a time for the ferry which works out at half the usual fare.


Oh watch oot fae the Dunoon police, they love patrolling the A83 in their unmarked cars and targetting bikers in order to hit their KPI's.


Lots of talk on the press of the police clamping down on the NC500 - but I've not seen much activity when I've been up there.

 
 

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General / Re: shorten after market end can
« on: 14 June 2019, 06:53:19 PM »
Ye cannae wack a top box or some panniers. :)
I mean what use is a bike if you cannae carry some odds and sods on it.

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General / Re: Today's "What Gets My Goat" - NO POLITICS!
« on: 14 June 2019, 06:50:48 PM »
 
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Think people have been trying to give you and VNA hints for months now, but you're so both wrapped up in your own warped little worlds that you've simply not acknowledged anything whatsoever.

I think firstly darrsi you should speak for yourself.
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His general attitude has consistently always been a piece of shit,
I think at the end of the day, you have made it clear that you are sympathetic to extremist and unsavoury views   You say you dislike political threads yet insist on repeatedly posting insults as you are unable to accept that others may not share your views, and of course insults is all you can manage as you are incapable of any intelligent and reasonable discussion.
 

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 You really should pop down your local Yamaha dealer and try an MT10.  It made quite an impression on me.  I may yet buy one.  But.  I dunno.  It can be civilised but wack that throttle open and it’s a ferocious angry beast. 



God only knows what the current Tuono and Super Dukes are like :eek
 

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General / Re: Today's "What Gets My Goat" - NO POLITICS!
« on: 13 June 2019, 09:21:29 PM »
So what happened to the thread started for those who wished to talk bikes and politics - doh! :lol

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General / Re: Today's "What Gets My Goat"
« on: 13 June 2019, 07:14:01 PM »
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This is hypocrisy....
Yup and he's already bought his votes - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-tax-cut-wealthy-tory-leadership-contest-conservative-party-a8951631.html

A 10 billion pound pay off.

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