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For Sale & Wanted / FS: Yamaha Fazer FZS600 2003
« on: 09 December 2018, 02:46:21 PM »

Yamaha Fazer FZS600 2003, in deep metallic purplish blue - the coolest colour of Fazer!

Great all round bike, as commuting hack, small tourer or fun blast at weekends. Showing some age, but maintained to a very high standard with all the big service items sorted. It has had a couple of drops but only received cosmetic damage, the majority of which has been repaired to a high standard.

I’m second owner of bike, had it just over 6 years, used it as my daily commute, fun weekend bike, longer distance touring and two-up pillion riding. I’ve kept it in tip-top shape and well maintained throughout, on average putting 8-10k a year on it.

Done 62866 miles (note clocks had to be replaced due to fuel gauge failing, new set show 6k less i.e. 56866). Unlikely to change, as I’ve a new bike for commuting now.

600cc inline 4 giving 95 bhp. Averages 50mpg ish, with a 200-230 mile range before fuel light comes on!
Note the 2002-2003 FZS600’s have many advantages over older Fazers: large 21 litre tank, better mirrors (from FZS1000), better looking Fox-eye fairing, better headlights, preload adjustment on forks, better pillion pegs and grab handle and clocks with a clock!.

The good:
Genuine Yamaha double bubble screen
Rear hugger, and front fender extender fitted.
Genuine Yamaha crash bars.
Motad stainless steel downpipes fitted Oct 2013.
Scorpion Titanium exhaust.
Meta M357T alarm/immobiliser fitted. Replaced in July 2013, as internal battery of unit has ~10 year lifespan before it fails. Has worked faultlessly otherwise.
Hagan rear shock fitted Feb 2015
Fazer 1000 ‘blue spot’ rear brake caliper (stock caliper prone to seizing)
Hel braided brake lines front/back.
New Brembo rear disc and rear wheel bearings fitted Aug 2017.
Front wheel bearing replaced Sept 2017. Sprocket carrier bearing replaced Feb 2015.
DID chain sprockets fitted Sept 2017, front sprocket nut replaced as per recall.
Pair of Metzeler M7RR tyres fitted in Aug 2018 (only done ~1000 miles)
Stebal Nautilus air horn fitted, correctly with relay/fuse etc.
Re-upholstered seat, slightly raised, increased hump, more comfort. Original supplied too.
Just had 6k service (oil, filters, spark plugs, carbs balanced etc).
NGK spark plug caps fitted 2017.
K&N air filter - which suits well as runs bit rich from stock.
Coolant system serviced October 2018, O-Ring on thermostat replaced (had small drip leak).
Monokey Givi rack fitted.
Renthal bars fitted.
New clutch fitted Jun 2017, genuine Yamaha friction, steel plates, springs, etc (tried EBC plates briefly before, but were crap). New clutch cable and lever fitted too.
New Yusasa battery fitted in Oct 2015
Forks seals/oil replaced Mar 2015, with genuine seals & dust covers etc. Still good.
Front fairing replaced (with genuine Yamaha part) recently after an incident in 2017, so in spotless condition.
USB socket fitted on dash (auto cuts out when battery voltage drops when engine is off).
Got all paperwork, V5C, MOT history, log book, keys and Meta alarm codes etc.

The bad:
Bike has gone down a couple of times and although has been repaired to a high standard, still has a little cosmetic damage.
Small scuffs and knocks to tank.
Small dent in exhaust.
Some paint lost on engine, radiator and couple of spots on frame.
Cosmetic damage to throttle cable rubber cover.
Clock needed to be replaced as one accident damaged the fuel gauge. Replacement set show 6k miles less than genuine mileage. Original clocks included in sale.
Comes with both keys, but one is a little worn and temperamental.

It’s not perfect, but issues are all cosmetic. Overall a solid well maintained bike that’ll keep on going and delivering many smiles for many more miles.

Located in Dagenham, East London. But have family in Stafford and Shropshire/Powys areas, so could consider riding it up there for a definite sale.

Give me a shout if you'd like more pics.

For Sale & Wanted / Re: Final Clearout last of my FZS 600 fazer bits
« on: 05 December 2018, 01:09:13 PM »
Sold the larger frame side panels

Arrived yesterday, many thanks!

FZ6 / Fazer / Re: New FZ6 rider (but long time FZS600 rider)
« on: 16 November 2018, 07:14:04 PM »
Well, I'll be flogging my old Foxeye soon. Was just gonna give it regularly 6k service and give it a nice clean. 😉

FZ6 / Fazer / Re: New FZ6 rider (but long time FZS600 rider)
« on: 16 November 2018, 03:58:44 PM »
Yeah, maybe it does sound like I'm slagging off the FZ6 a bit. It really isn't a bad bike, it is still a fun bike to ride and I do like the extra low down grunt and torque which is more practical and usable power in some regards. It's still great to cane it down twisty roads with revs screaming too. Ultimately, the FZS600 does some things better, the FZ6 does other things better.

Tank range, 130 miles is on standard commute into London, mostly cutting through traffic, 2nd-3rd gear only, and point it switches to F-Trip. This is straight after service, fresh filters etc. so no idea why mine is different! Was getting a bit more when out of town, but still finding myself filling up as soon as I hit 100 miles, just so I don't run out and piss off everyone else on the ride... :-) On the FZS600 twice a day filling up was unheard of unless doing long distance touring.

Other plus points for the FZ6 is the decent downpipes (stainless?). My FZS600 pipes had rotted right through on the 4 into 1 collector at 15k. I also like the Alu frame and swingarm on FZ6 S2, definitely better looks wise and obviously won't rot. Over mounted rear brake caliper is more practical too - FZS600 underslung one was so prone to seizing up from elements.

Re: clutch freeplay adjuster - will double check, at first glance it didn't appear to be two separate lock nuts. Though I see Haynes book says it should be... As for heavy clutch, yeah cable could well be due for a change, it's probably original from 2007.

FZ6 / Fazer / Re: New FZ6 rider (but long time FZS600 rider)
« on: 15 November 2018, 07:22:35 PM »
OK, nearly a month in with the FZ6 S2 (after 6 years odd with FZS600). Key differences that stood out to me:-

Tank range! 130-140 miles until fuel gauge starts flashing. Vs 200-230 miles on my old 2003 FZS600. And flash bar on fuel gauge doesn't really catch your eye... But I do like how it switches to the FTrip and counts up your 'reserve' miles. I know 130 miles odd is about normal for many bikes these days, was really spoilt with range of the old Foxeye.

Torque. The FZ6 feels more torquey, more low down grunt, and arm yanking as you set off. On paper, there's not much in it, but it's definitely noticeable on road.

I'm gonna say it doesn't feel quite a flickable as the FZS600, but I'm not sure if that's just me not so accustomed to it or really the case due to design, different front tyre size, or even tyre brand (have switched from Metz M7RR's on FZS600 to Mich PR5's on FZ6). But definitely handy to have more tyre choice with the slightly fatter 120/70 front.

Getting more vibe in pegs of FZ6, and I see there's rubber grommets on mounting too. Clutch feels heavier and not convinced by the free-play adjuster which appears to only lock on whole 360 degree rotations.

Seat position, legs/knees seem to fit in a lot better around tank/frame. Though do find seat-to-pegs distance a bit tight for my lanky legs, which can make rear brake usage a bit achy after a while.

Under seat exhaust, is nice and warm on ass this time of year, daughter loved it going pillion last weekend. But I don't like losing loads of storage space, and I do wonder how I'm gonna like it in height of summer...

Not liking the FZ6's single headlight design, dipped on left, main beam on right. Have ordered some wire to do the headlight mod. And will probably add extra spot lights later too. Commuting in London, need everything you can to stand out in traffic! Do like how dipped lights don't turn on until engine starts - good plan, could be handy if battery is ever low.

Givi rank seems to sit further forward, making things much tighter space wise for pillions. Especially with top box with back rest bolted on.

Mirrors on FZ6 don't hold position so well at FZS600, always need re-aligning after slightest nudge of removing rain cover.

Indicators hanging down from fairing on FZ6 - looks a bit naff. But probably a good choice, as in a drop, indicators often broke the fairing on the FZS600. Similarly, interesting to see separate fairing side panels where it would invariable get scuffed in a minor drop.

Spark plugs are a fecking nightmare to get to. Haynes books says remote radiator, tank, air box and battery, for every 6k spark plug gap inspection - WTF?! Got in there with spark plug tool from under seat kit and spanner, after loosening off radiator mounting to prise it slightly forward without disconnecting. Really need a ratchet spanner set though...
Replacing air filter on FZ6 is much easier than the FZS600.
Miss the oil eye sight window on FZS600. Dip stick gauge is more faff, removing, wiping, dipping etc.
Do like coolant filler on rad on FZ6 S2, rather than hidden under tank. But coolant overflow tank on front of engine is a shit location, cover is already corroded to fuck on a bike that's done only 12k and been garaged all it's life... At least it's cheap to replace.
Like how shock is less exposed to elements on FZ6 too, should help longevity.
Split fairing infils seem a good idea to aid access when lifting tank, again seems to be a practical design choice to aid servicing.

For Sale & Wanted / Re: any nice 600 box eyes coming up for sale?
« on: 10 November 2018, 08:23:09 PM »
Yeah, needs to be Euro3 or better (generally 2007+, e.g. FZ6 S2) to enter current congestion charge zone from April 2019 - otherwise a £12/day fee. 

This zone will extend to area within North/South circulars from 2021.

That said, if he's not travelling that far into the centre, and older FZS600 would definitely be a good choice. I have an old 2003 Foxeye Fazer which I'll be looking to sell very shortly. Slightly tatty, but well maintained and runs well, with 64K on it, MOT until July. Better than an older Boxeye - bigger 21ltr tank / 230 mile range, better mirrors, better lights, front fork preload adjusters etc. I'm East London based. I was just gonna give it a 6k service and clean it up before flogging.

For Sale & Wanted / FS: Yamaha FZ6 Belly Pan, dark blue
« on: 10 November 2018, 01:09:38 PM »
One genuine Yamaha FZ6 belly pan. Dark blue in colour. Really good condition with mounting brackets, only some very minor, barely noticeable, stone marks to underside.

£100 posted (uk mainland). Or collection possible from East London.

General / Re: gerbing heated gloves
« on: 01 November 2018, 10:19:03 PM »
Been using the XR12's for about 5 years now, each winter Oct-March ish, daily on my commute, all weathers (except thick snow). I have them wired straight to bike battery.  Always great, always more than plenty toasty, even on long journeys in sub zero temps. The first couple of pairs I had developed electrical faults, either a glove cutting out or bad connections in wiring, not usually lasting more than a winter. But Gerbing's lifetime warranty on all the electrical side has always been held up really well, no fuss, new pair of gloves turnaround in a couple of days - great when freezing your fingers off each day in the winter. Thankfully, they have improved their designs a lot over the years, my current pair are currently seeing me through their third winter and are holding up well. Much better than earlier ones, and seems like they've sorted out the robustness issues.

Overall, I'd definitely recommend them. Even when my new bike came with heated grips, I've still wired in my Gerbings to keep my fingers and back of hands toasty. As for wiring them up, I just cable tie the controller to outside of my jacket, then thread wires inside and down sleeves. Only takes a mo to plug gloves in when donning them, then I just plug controller into wire I have sticking out from under seat hooked up to battery.

Great gloves in general, no signs of much wear and tear, decent knuckle armour and decent abrasive protection on palms too. Always held up fine in torrential rain, they have a handy visor wipe on left glove, and the XR12's have longer cuffs that go over your jacket with draw cord seals, which have always stopped water running down arms fine. Not sure how other gloves they do stack up in comparison, but I'd definitely recommend the XR12's for a serious winter glove.

FZ6 / Fazer / Re: New FZ6 rider (but long time FZS600 rider)
« on: 25 October 2018, 12:54:51 PM »
Seat does look standard, got 4S8 code on base, other other brand names on it. It certainly isn't the most comfy, front edges dig in a little to inside of thighs after a while. Wondering if it's been cut down slightly. The hot exhausts underneath are great this time of year, but I wonder if I'm going to be after an asbestos seat next summer...

Also, the screen with the little gap at it's base - I'm sure this is the cause of some loud wind howl when at speed. Is this normal? Is this indeed the cause?

Anyways, put on some Pilot Road 5's, feels so much better now. Came with some vintage Pilot Road (ones), dated 2010 and pretty squared off. Ordered some HiFlo air/oil filters, that'll be my weekend job, plus the usual ACF50 treatment. Also picked up a Haynes book at Yammy belly pan to go on too!

Missing my Stebel Nautilus horn off my old Fazer - anyone upgraded horn on FZ6? What fits well?
Reckon I'll have to do the headlight mod too, get the right hand dipped bulk working.

FZ6 / Fazer / Re: New FZ6 rider (but long time FZS600 rider)
« on: 22 October 2018, 07:54:45 PM »
Yep, S2 model, with cat etc.
Not sure about seat, will double check that. Wasn't aware it wasn't a standard one.
As for air filter, yeah will double check yearly. Has had dealer services all its life, so should
have been well looked after by the book.

FZ6 / Fazer / New FZ6 rider (but long time FZS600 rider)
« on: 21 October 2018, 07:38:14 PM »
Gone and picked a nice little FZ6. My small step up to beat the ULEZ whilst sticking with the Fazer's we all love.

Interesting change from the FZS600.

One question, air filter change schedule, supplied FZ6 manual suggests every 40000km - is that right?! Surely it needs some attention more often than that?

FZS600 Fazer / Re: Ahh Coolant leak!
« on: 09 September 2018, 12:15:43 PM »
And don't overtighten the bolts because half the housing is plastic.  The official service manual has the wrong torque settings

My Haynes book quote 10Nm - sound about right?
Though TBH not sure I'll get torque wrench in there without removing all hoses and pulling lot out. 10Nm sound about hand tight anyway.

FZS600 Fazer / Ahh Coolant leak!
« on: 08 September 2018, 02:53:07 PM »
I appear to have small leak along seal on thermostat (bit below main coolant filler cap under tank).

Pretty certain it's the o-seal on this thermostat. Doesn't appears to originate from the hose or cap. (Cap was new a couple of years ago, as old wasn't holding pressure). On pressure testing the system, I get a a few small drips forming at the base of thermostat only. Anyone done this job of replacing and dismantling the thermostat? Any tips, tricks or advice?

Bit worried the attached hoses aren't going to like this job, as they're looking pretty old and flakey. And still we haven't sorted out any silicone hose group buys...  :eek 
Anyone had any joy buying random silicone sections and bends to replace some of the hoses on the FZS600? For example:
Do we have any knowledge on what bends might cover what bits of the system?

FZ6 / Fazer / Non working right hand indicators and intermittent headlight
« on: 06 September 2018, 08:24:01 PM »
Just been looking at a naked 2008 FZ6 S2 up for sale near me. Got a couple of issues, one of which is electrics: right hand indicators don't work - front and back, including light on clocks, and when hazard switch is on. Left hand indicators are fine though. Headlight is apparently intermittently not working too. Sidelights fine, and dipped/main beam were fine when I checked bike out.

I'm figuring that since right indicators aren't working with either hazard lights switch on main turning switch, it's not likely to be the switchgear itself and def not bulbs. Since it affects front/back and on clocks, leads me to suspect something more in depth - loom, clocks, etc. No obvious wear on exposed loom though.

Any thoughts on what is likely to be culprit here? Any common electrical faults known on FZ6's?
What do you think? I'm currently getting cold feet and will probably walk away from it unless I can pin it to a common/simply cause.

Dunno how cheap you aiming to patch things up for, but don't forget you can get brand new fairings fully painted from Fowlers at a reasonable price:

BODY, FRONT UPPER 1 5LV-2835G-00-P3 Dark Purplish Blue Metallic L

Usually compares pretty favourable to anything second hand that needs patching and painting. Fairing mounting stay ain't cheap though at £180...
FZS600 one on ebay here.
Be wary though, these are often subtly bent and are a pig to align with a rubber mallet.

No idea about tank compatibility though. Mirrors and headlights are definitely the same though.

General / Re: Spot lights
« on: 12 August 2018, 02:54:42 PM »
Sorry to bring back up this thread, but how have you found the longevity of these lights?

I had some fitted for just over a year now, same as tommyardin and slappy, much lower down mounted on top of the standard Yammy low engine crash bars. In that time, I've had no end of hassle with the bolt that goes through the supplied mounts and threads on the the alu body of the lights giving up leaving me with spinning lights that just fling to side to light up hedge row... Tried lock tight and all sorts, but ultimately the threads on the light bodies are shite. Swapped with longer bolts now with a nut on inside - bit of faff to tighten up, but held much better.

I've also had hassle with water ingress into the lenses, with moisture on the inside taking ages to dry out. Have to pop them open to clean and dry them out.

Mine also came with a handle bar mounted switch, and loom with relay. The switch has recently given up ghost, only turning them on if the rocker is in some half way state, where it never stays whilst riding.

They also have some weird flashing mode that you can activate by flicking them on and off quickly. But this always seems to get activated when you don't want it. Especially when the above switch was playing up and power was being cut intermittently.

I have to agree to think they do help with filtering, especially through winter and dusk/dark conditions. Definitely get the impression of more people noticing me, though these things are always hard to confirm, it could just be my perception. Now I'm in two minds as to bin them, try bypassing switch and hooking relay to side lights instead, or splashing out on new, better ones.

FZS600 Fazer / Re: ULEZ alternative bike
« on: 09 August 2018, 09:01:28 PM »
In same boat, but I commute daily to London Bridge, so I'm stuffed from this coming April. :-(

Steeeve66: are you sure the FZS1000 is exempt from ULEZ? Thought it was too old, and only the FZ1 was good.

I've been looking at just grabbing a cheap FZ6 S2, maybe an FZ8, or even a Honda CBF600, CB600F Hornet, or Suzuki SV650 k9. It'll be my commuter hack and weekend fun, so needs to be cheap to run, not too precious as it'll have the odd scrape in town, but still fun when off work.

For Sale & Wanted / Re: Right inner panel for FZS600 2003
« on: 21 July 2018, 03:57:08 PM »
Got one spare with a couple of chunks broken off. Just on horizontal bit, still intact enough to fill space and hold up. Will just gave couple of gaps where it meets tank. You can have it for nowt to get you by if you like.
I'm based East London if you can collect.

FZS600 Fazer / Re: R1 Mirror upgrade review
« on: 06 June 2018, 01:24:03 PM »
Why not just fit FZS600 Foxeye / FZS1000 mirrors? Which have a much longer stem to give you decent visibility behind, and they quickly fold in - perfect for tight filtering and squeezing into motorcycle bays chock full of scooters. Or quickly pop back out when used as whiskers on tight gaps... ;-)

Just avoid the pattern one - they invariable don't fold! Albeit £80 each if you buy new!!!
I was in the understanding that the R1 ones were the same as those.

Mine look slightly different, stem is painted steel for start. Mirror shape is closer to your old BoxEye FZS600 mirrors. Stem possible bit longer too, but I may be imagining when looking at your photos and haven't actually measured!

FZS600 Fazer / Re: R1 Mirror upgrade review
« on: 05 June 2018, 12:40:12 PM »
Why not just fit FZS600 Foxeye / FZS1000 mirrors? Which have a much longer stem to give you decent visibility behind, and they quickly fold in - perfect for tight filtering and squeezing into motorcycle bays chock full of scooters. Or quickly pop back out when used as whiskers on tight gaps... ;-)

Just avoid the pattern one - they invariable don't fold! Albeit £80 each if you buy new!!!

FZS600 Fazer / Re: Front Tyre Question
« on: 21 May 2018, 06:31:05 PM »

Metzeler's site shows quite a different tread pattern from front to rear version of Roadtec 01.
And they list the 110/70 54H. No ZR in this size...

FZS600 Fazer / Re: Front Tyre Question
« on: 20 May 2018, 08:18:58 PM »
Interesting, when I last put a Roadtec 01 on my Fazer, I was told there was no option of 110/70 for the front. Went for the M7RR on front instead. Not ideal to go for mismatched, but the pair have performed well nonetheless. So, if this is now an option, that's good to know.

FZS600 Fazer / Re: What would you replace your FZS600 with?
« on: 12 May 2018, 05:31:28 PM »
yeah, I like the look of the CBR650F, got a friend with one, looks very smart and he loves it. But alas, best insurance quote on an older CBR600F was £1200 (or silly excess from MCE and £900 premium). :-(

The second smaller bike option is definitely worth considering. Got another mate whose gone this way after having his posh new 1200GS pinched twice (once recovered and thieves disturbed on second attempt), he's now has a CBF125 for his central London commute. Reckoned it makes more sense, plenty quick enough as you say, but way more nimble. But then he would say that coming from a GS! This partly drove my interest towards left field options like a CRF259L or even Royal Enfield, but insurance on anything that looks vaguely motocross is steep as well.

Anyone tried a recent ish (2007+) XJ6 Divvy? Any good? Looks cheap and cheerful, but will it be too disappointing compared to FZS600?

FZS600 Fazer / Re: What would you replace your FZS600 with?
« on: 11 May 2018, 06:11:22 PM »
For me the DRZ and FZS1000 are out because of ULEZ - need something 2007 or later. FZ1 is tempting, but economy for daily commuter and insurance quotes are £1k+ in London.
VFR could be option but would be later VTEC one.

FZS600 Fazer / Re: What would you replace your FZS600 with?
« on: 10 May 2018, 09:55:39 PM »
Same boat as you, and with this damn ULEZ coming in April 2019, I'm forced to swap for something else as I commute daily into centre. But I don't really have space/funds for commuter bike + weekend fun bike.

Like you, I like the balance of power, economy, comfort and practicality. Other things that put me off replacements is the lack of tank range - I'm gonna really miss getting 230 miles between fills.

I've looked at:
FZ6 S2 - obvious option. Seem to be fetching £2.5-3k odd recently.
CBF600s - felt a bit more torquey, but less top end power. Also very bland looking, but are cheap
SV650 k7 - possibly an option, but 73 bhp on paper and range of only 160 miles.
ER6 - meh, basic learner bike, too weedy and budget.
Gladius - ditto, even if just a cheap updated SV650.
CBR600F - nice option, but insurance is silly for inner London postcode (£1.2k odd!)
GSX650F - looks alright, but bit on heavy side, 150 mile range, basically a bandit in nice fairing.
BMW F800S - Seems a nice practical commuter, but reports are it can be rather tame/bland to ride (especially compared to FZS).
MT07 - has the looks, but looks a bit whimpy on power compared to FZS600 and bit dinky for tall rider.
MT09 - looks fun, but too pricy still - so insurance is too high in London.
Tracer - too wide for London computing... Seen some poor reports on longevity (corroded leaking oil pump on front of engine after 2 years!)
Street Triple - Silly insurance in London.

So yeah, I'm still no closer to a decision and time is ticking on...

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