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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Ahh Coolant leak!
« on: 09 September 2018, 12:15:43 PM »
And don't overtighten the bolts because half the housing is plastic.  The official service manual has the wrong torque settings

My Haynes book quote 10Nm - sound about right?
Though TBH not sure I'll get torque wrench in there without removing all hoses and pulling lot out. 10Nm sound about hand tight anyway.

FZS600 Fazer / Ahh Coolant leak!
« on: 08 September 2018, 02:53:07 PM »
I appear to have small leak along seal on thermostat (bit below main coolant filler cap under tank).

Pretty certain it's the o-seal on this thermostat. Doesn't appears to originate from the hose or cap. (Cap was new a couple of years ago, as old wasn't holding pressure). On pressure testing the system, I get a a few small drips forming at the base of thermostat only. Anyone done this job of replacing and dismantling the thermostat? Any tips, tricks or advice?

Bit worried the attached hoses aren't going to like this job, as they're looking pretty old and flakey. And still we haven't sorted out any silicone hose group buys...  :eek 
Anyone had any joy buying random silicone sections and bends to replace some of the hoses on the FZS600? For example:
Do we have any knowledge on what bends might cover what bits of the system?

FZ6 / Fazer / Non working right hand indicators and intermittent headlight
« on: 06 September 2018, 08:24:01 PM »
Just been looking at a naked 2008 FZ6 S2 up for sale near me. Got a couple of issues, one of which is electrics: right hand indicators don't work - front and back, including light on clocks, and when hazard switch is on. Left hand indicators are fine though. Headlight is apparently intermittently not working too. Sidelights fine, and dipped/main beam were fine when I checked bike out.

I'm figuring that since right indicators aren't working with either hazard lights switch on main turning switch, it's not likely to be the switchgear itself and def not bulbs. Since it affects front/back and on clocks, leads me to suspect something more in depth - loom, clocks, etc. No obvious wear on exposed loom though.

Any thoughts on what is likely to be culprit here? Any common electrical faults known on FZ6's?
What do you think? I'm currently getting cold feet and will probably walk away from it unless I can pin it to a common/simply cause.

Dunno how cheap you aiming to patch things up for, but don't forget you can get brand new fairings fully painted from Fowlers at a reasonable price:

BODY, FRONT UPPER 1 5LV-2835G-00-P3 Dark Purplish Blue Metallic L

Usually compares pretty favourable to anything second hand that needs patching and painting. Fairing mounting stay ain't cheap though at £180...
FZS600 one on ebay here.
Be wary though, these are often subtly bent and are a pig to align with a rubber mallet.

No idea about tank compatibility though. Mirrors and headlights are definitely the same though.

General / Re: Spot lights
« on: 12 August 2018, 02:54:42 PM »
Sorry to bring back up this thread, but how have you found the longevity of these lights?

I had some fitted for just over a year now, same as tommyardin and slappy, much lower down mounted on top of the standard Yammy low engine crash bars. In that time, I've had no end of hassle with the bolt that goes through the supplied mounts and threads on the the alu body of the lights giving up leaving me with spinning lights that just fling to side to light up hedge row... Tried lock tight and all sorts, but ultimately the threads on the light bodies are shite. Swapped with longer bolts now with a nut on inside - bit of faff to tighten up, but held much better.

I've also had hassle with water ingress into the lenses, with moisture on the inside taking ages to dry out. Have to pop them open to clean and dry them out.

Mine also came with a handle bar mounted switch, and loom with relay. The switch has recently given up ghost, only turning them on if the rocker is in some half way state, where it never stays whilst riding.

They also have some weird flashing mode that you can activate by flicking them on and off quickly. But this always seems to get activated when you don't want it. Especially when the above switch was playing up and power was being cut intermittently.

I have to agree to think they do help with filtering, especially through winter and dusk/dark conditions. Definitely get the impression of more people noticing me, though these things are always hard to confirm, it could just be my perception. Now I'm in two minds as to bin them, try bypassing switch and hooking relay to side lights instead, or splashing out on new, better ones.

FZS600 Fazer / Re: ULEZ alternative bike
« on: 09 August 2018, 09:01:28 PM »
In same boat, but I commute daily to London Bridge, so I'm stuffed from this coming April. :-(

Steeeve66: are you sure the FZS1000 is exempt from ULEZ? Thought it was too old, and only the FZ1 was good.

I've been looking at just grabbing a cheap FZ6 S2, maybe an FZ8, or even a Honda CBF600, CB600F Hornet, or Suzuki SV650 k9. It'll be my commuter hack and weekend fun, so needs to be cheap to run, not too precious as it'll have the odd scrape in town, but still fun when off work.

For Sale & Wanted / Re: Right inner panel for FZS600 2003
« on: 21 July 2018, 03:57:08 PM »
Got one spare with a couple of chunks broken off. Just on horizontal bit, still intact enough to fill space and hold up. Will just gave couple of gaps where it meets tank. You can have it for nowt to get you by if you like.
I'm based East London if you can collect.

FZS600 Fazer / Re: R1 Mirror upgrade review
« on: 06 June 2018, 01:24:03 PM »
Why not just fit FZS600 Foxeye / FZS1000 mirrors? Which have a much longer stem to give you decent visibility behind, and they quickly fold in - perfect for tight filtering and squeezing into motorcycle bays chock full of scooters. Or quickly pop back out when used as whiskers on tight gaps... ;-)

Just avoid the pattern one - they invariable don't fold! Albeit £80 each if you buy new!!!
I was in the understanding that the R1 ones were the same as those.

Mine look slightly different, stem is painted steel for start. Mirror shape is closer to your old BoxEye FZS600 mirrors. Stem possible bit longer too, but I may be imagining when looking at your photos and haven't actually measured!

FZS600 Fazer / Re: R1 Mirror upgrade review
« on: 05 June 2018, 12:40:12 PM »
Why not just fit FZS600 Foxeye / FZS1000 mirrors? Which have a much longer stem to give you decent visibility behind, and they quickly fold in - perfect for tight filtering and squeezing into motorcycle bays chock full of scooters. Or quickly pop back out when used as whiskers on tight gaps... ;-)

Just avoid the pattern one - they invariable don't fold! Albeit £80 each if you buy new!!!

FZS600 Fazer / Re: Front Tyre Question
« on: 21 May 2018, 06:31:05 PM »

Metzeler's site shows quite a different tread pattern from front to rear version of Roadtec 01.
And they list the 110/70 54H. No ZR in this size...

FZS600 Fazer / Re: Front Tyre Question
« on: 20 May 2018, 08:18:58 PM »
Interesting, when I last put a Roadtec 01 on my Fazer, I was told there was no option of 110/70 for the front. Went for the M7RR on front instead. Not ideal to go for mismatched, but the pair have performed well nonetheless. So, if this is now an option, that's good to know.

FZS600 Fazer / Re: What would you replace your FZS600 with?
« on: 12 May 2018, 05:31:28 PM »
yeah, I like the look of the CBR650F, got a friend with one, looks very smart and he loves it. But alas, best insurance quote on an older CBR600F was £1200 (or silly excess from MCE and £900 premium). :-(

The second smaller bike option is definitely worth considering. Got another mate whose gone this way after having his posh new 1200GS pinched twice (once recovered and thieves disturbed on second attempt), he's now has a CBF125 for his central London commute. Reckoned it makes more sense, plenty quick enough as you say, but way more nimble. But then he would say that coming from a GS! This partly drove my interest towards left field options like a CRF259L or even Royal Enfield, but insurance on anything that looks vaguely motocross is steep as well.

Anyone tried a recent ish (2007+) XJ6 Divvy? Any good? Looks cheap and cheerful, but will it be too disappointing compared to FZS600?

FZS600 Fazer / Re: What would you replace your FZS600 with?
« on: 11 May 2018, 06:11:22 PM »
For me the DRZ and FZS1000 are out because of ULEZ - need something 2007 or later. FZ1 is tempting, but economy for daily commuter and insurance quotes are £1k+ in London.
VFR could be option but would be later VTEC one.

FZS600 Fazer / Re: What would you replace your FZS600 with?
« on: 10 May 2018, 09:55:39 PM »
Same boat as you, and with this damn ULEZ coming in April 2019, I'm forced to swap for something else as I commute daily into centre. But I don't really have space/funds for commuter bike + weekend fun bike.

Like you, I like the balance of power, economy, comfort and practicality. Other things that put me off replacements is the lack of tank range - I'm gonna really miss getting 230 miles between fills.

I've looked at:
FZ6 S2 - obvious option. Seem to be fetching £2.5-3k odd recently.
CBF600s - felt a bit more torquey, but less top end power. Also very bland looking, but are cheap
SV650 k7 - possibly an option, but 73 bhp on paper and range of only 160 miles.
ER6 - meh, basic learner bike, too weedy and budget.
Gladius - ditto, even if just a cheap updated SV650.
CBR600F - nice option, but insurance is silly for inner London postcode (£1.2k odd!)
GSX650F - looks alright, but bit on heavy side, 150 mile range, basically a bandit in nice fairing.
BMW F800S - Seems a nice practical commuter, but reports are it can be rather tame/bland to ride (especially compared to FZS).
MT07 - has the looks, but looks a bit whimpy on power compared to FZS600 and bit dinky for tall rider.
MT09 - looks fun, but too pricy still - so insurance is too high in London.
Tracer - too wide for London computing... Seen some poor reports on longevity (corroded leaking oil pump on front of engine after 2 years!)
Street Triple - Silly insurance in London.

So yeah, I'm still no closer to a decision and time is ticking on...

FZS600 Fazer / Re: Engine bars/guard
« on: 29 April 2018, 10:56:31 PM »
if they swivel on impact they look  like they will go through the sump
I had to look at my own picture to see what you were talking about. I think for that to happen the upper mount would need to bend but also bend on the same axis but it is mounted on the opsite axis so wont bend like that --------- or something.
For me its not big spills I am protecting against but just stupid drops by myself really - rolled off the side stand last year as I did not realise how steep the hill was but luckily it tipped over on ME and a grass bank. So just stupid things like that.   

Got them on mine, and have tested them, several times. Had a few spills, had bike on side, smashed fairing lights, bent bars scraped tank. But bars only bent a little and engine always been grand to ride home. Even after binning it on track in France and riding back to London. They work great at protecting the engine and gear/rear brake levers.

Each time, just bent them back with rubber mallet and loosened them off to rotate them back. Did replace them once, as they had been indented quite a bit and lost all the paint - so just looked a bit shabby.

FZ6 / Fazer / Re: fzs 600 compared to fz6 s2 abs
« on: 04 March 2018, 04:12:50 PM »
Sorry to dig this old thread up, but I'd be interested Val which way you went in the end.

I've been commuting into London on a 2003 FZS600 for nearly 6 years now, but alas the ULEZ is going mean upgrade time. A FZ6 S2 is the default replacement choice. If you're commuting into the very centre of London then surely the FZS600 is off the cards for the same ULEZ issue.

FZS600 Fazer / Re: Replacing Rear brake disc
« on: 24 November 2017, 07:28:07 PM »
Yeah, attempted this myself a couple of months ago. Completely rounded three of the bolts. Gave up in end, garage I took it to, gave a very long intake of breath too.... Got a new wheel for £25 - cheaper than labour mucking around with old seized disc and wheel. Personally - I'd just take it to a garage to begin with...

As for choice of disc, Brembo rear discs are about £80 - got mine from Demon Tweeks.

FZS600 Fazer / Re: What are my rear shock options ?
« on: 24 November 2017, 07:21:16 PM »
Pretty certain Hagon's are serviceable as well.

Got a second hand Hagon myself, does the job, but I've little to compare against other than the knackered original that was on previously. Decent enough budget option though. Also, pretty certain they do a pricer option with a external preload adjuster.

General / Re: Battery powered heated gloves
« on: 15 November 2017, 01:04:23 PM »
Gerbing do make a pair of heated liners but not battery powered.Being a liner they're not waterproof and are a touch short if £80. Gerbing seem to be the most reliable and troublefree manufacturer of heated gloves/clothing. Pity it's so expensive,but I suppose "get what you pay for" springs to mind.

I've been using their XR12 gloves for about 5 years. Reliable? -ish. I've been through a few pairs - electrical connection issues, cutting out etc. BUT Gerbing's offer a lifetime warranty on the electric side, no questions, they turned them around in couple of days. Each new pair has been getting better, design improved and lasting longer though. Current pair is first to do two winters and holding up well this winter too, so fingers crossed. Do any of the other manufactures offer a lifetime warranty? I mean seriously at this rate I'll never be buying winter gloves again, as electrics pack up long before the wear out!

I just plug them into bike; cable tied controller to jacket, threaded cabling down sleeves etc. Works fine, only about 30 seconds extra faff to plug stuff in. They do however have a pocket on gauntlet to accommodate a battery pack. About an extra £80-90 last time I checked though.

FZS600 Fazer / Red Boxeye Fairing on Ebay
« on: 05 November 2017, 12:33:50 PM »
Who was after a red box eye fairing?

Here you go.

£100, and looks reasonable nick.

FZS600 Fazer / Re: Replacing HT Leads and Plug Caps/Boots
« on: 02 November 2017, 05:17:32 PM »
Did you try rerouting them? Many I have seen are twisted all over the place, making them appear shorter than they are

Nah, just quickly patched it up in 15 mins yesterday morning between getting kids ready for school and zooming off for work! But yeah, next time tank is off I'll take a peek as see how they're routed. Either way, bike is running really well now huge difference, so smooth and more ummph now, makes me believe they had been slowly deteriorating for a while.

FZS600 Fazer / Re: Replacing HT Leads and Plug Caps/Boots
« on: 01 November 2017, 11:31:28 AM »
Fitted new caps. Dead easy, quick job. All good and running on all cylinders now.
Couldn't trim any off cylinder 2 lead as already a spot short, but is working fine nonetheless.

FZS600 Fazer / Re: Replacing HT Leads and Plug Caps/Boots
« on: 30 October 2017, 07:51:49 AM »
Cool, have ordered straight ones. Will see how I get on later this week once they turn up.

FZS600 Fazer / Replacing HT Leads and Plug Caps/Boots
« on: 29 October 2017, 04:38:10 PM »
Got a bust cap and misfire on cylinder 4. So reckon it's time to replace. Any recommendations, tips, gotchyas with the Fazer? NGK leads/caps the way to go?

Did this job once before on an old ZZR600, with new NGK leads and caps, was pretty straight forward. Is the Fazer similar?

And are these the right caps?

Will the straight one fit (SD05F) or better to get a bent one like original (XD05F)?

K&N air filters are alright, but don't expect a night'n'day difference. Good you can clean and re-use, but do factor additional time each service to clean it, dry it and re-oil it K&N recommend leaving it to dry naturally, fine on a summers' day, but hassle otherwise and delays putting the bike back together.

Castrol Power1 oil is my fav. Think I read on here gear changes are a bit smoother with it. Dunno, seems ok and I've stuck with it. Opie Oils often have discounts on it.

Avoid the K&N oil filters mind. The handy nut on end is overrated and there's been some dodgy batches that have failed giving you a nice oil slick feature to keep you and your mates behind you on their toes whilst your bikes seizes... Mate had one on this Speed Triple fail half way across Alps! was lucky, spotted it early and free wheeled down!

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