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Title: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: Grahamm on 28 February 2020, 12:08:15 PM
If you believe the way the media are portraying this, we're only one step away from the Zombie Apocalypse!

But if you look at this page: www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/) you'll see that the highest probabilty of dying from COVID-19 is if you are over 80 years old, followed by the 70-79 year old age group.

This is entirely unsurprising, since people in those groups are most likely to be susceptible because they have other, underlying medical conditions and/ or have weakened immune systems.

Frankly I think the scaremongering by the media is grossly irresponsible, especially because it's feeding back into government policy with mass quarantines, schools being closed and, even more regrettably, resulting in racist and xenophobic attitudes towards people from China etc as if they're plague carriers.

If you compare COVID-19 to the effects of Flu *every year*, you get a sense of how much this has been blown out of proportion:

Infections

COVID-19: Approximately 81,322 cases worldwide; 59 cases in the U.S. as of Feb. 26, 2020.

Flu: Estimated 1 billion cases worldwide; 9.3 million to 45 million cases in the U.S. per year.

Deaths

COVID-19: Approximately 2,770 deaths reported worldwide; 0 deaths in the U.S., as of Feb. 26, 2020.

Flu: 291,000 to 646,000 deaths worldwide; 12,000 to 61,000 deaths in the U.S. per year.

www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-disease-2019-vs-the-flu (https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-disease-2019-vs-the-flu)
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Post by: agricola on 28 February 2020, 12:14:11 PM
If you believe the way the media are portraying this, we're only one step away from the Zombie Apocalypse!

But if you look at this page: www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/) you'll see that the highest probabilty of dying from COVID-19 is if you are over 80 years old, followed by the 70-79 year old age group.

This is entirely unsurprising, since people in those groups are most likely to be susceptible because they have other, underlying medical conditions and/ or have weakened immune systems.

Frankly I think the scaremongering by the media is grossly irresponsible, especially because it's feeding back into government policy with mass quarantines, schools being closed and, even more regrettably, resulting in racist and xenophobic attitudes towards people from China etc as if they're plague carriers.

If you compare COVID-19 to the effects of Flu *every year*, you get a sense of how much this has been blown out of proportion:

Infections

COVID-19: Approximately 81,322 cases worldwide; 59 cases in the U.S. as of Feb. 26, 2020.

Flu: Estimated 1 billion cases worldwide; 9.3 million to 45 million cases in the U.S. per year.

Deaths

COVID-19: Approximately 2,770 deaths reported worldwide; 0 deaths in the U.S., as of Feb. 26, 2020.

Flu: 291,000 to 646,000 deaths worldwide; 12,000 to 61,000 deaths in the U.S. per year.

www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-disease-2019-vs-the-flu (https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-disease-2019-vs-the-flu)


Yes, and the focus now appears to be sliding from health to economic effects
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Post by: fazersharp on 28 February 2020, 12:26:12 PM
There's no brexit and the imminent demise of the government to report, HRH Andrew has dissipated, the Australian fires are out, disastrous floods are sadly old news. So the 24 hour news needs somthing to report.     
But what you are missing is that the death rate appears to be a lot higher than flu. That's the rate - not the total. What's the point in quoting the total death rate of a virus that is 2 months old and comparing it with yearly totals of the flu that is already world wide.
Anyway its a long planned agenda to reduce the world population.
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Post by: slappy on 28 February 2020, 01:08:16 PM
If you believe the way the media are portraying this, we're only one step away from the Zombie Apocalypse!

But if you look at this page: www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/) you'll see that the highest probabilty of dying from COVID-19 is if you are over 80 years old, followed by the 70-79 year old age group.

This is entirely unsurprising, since people in those groups are most likely to be susceptible because they have other, underlying medical conditions and/ or have weakened immune systems.

Frankly I think the scaremongering by the media is grossly irresponsible, especially because it's feeding back into government policy with mass quarantines, schools being closed and, even more regrettably, resulting in racist and xenophobic attitudes towards people from China etc as if they're plague carriers.

If you compare COVID-19 to the effects of Flu *every year*, you get a sense of how much this has been blown out of proportion:

Infections

COVID-19: Approximately 81,322 cases worldwide; 59 cases in the U.S. as of Feb. 26, 2020.

Flu: Estimated 1 billion cases worldwide; 9.3 million to 45 million cases in the U.S. per year.

Deaths

COVID-19: Approximately 2,770 deaths reported worldwide; 0 deaths in the U.S., as of Feb. 26, 2020.

Flu: 291,000 to 646,000 deaths worldwide; 12,000 to 61,000 deaths in the U.S. per year.

www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-disease-2019-vs-the-flu (https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-disease-2019-vs-the-flu)


Yes, and the focus now appears to be sliding from health to economic effects


That's because once again the wankers in the financial industry are manipulating share prices to make money for themselves, in the real world nothing has changed.

Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: BBROWN1664 on 28 February 2020, 05:01:40 PM
About 4% mortality rate for Covid-19 at the moment. For Flu, I have seen figures everywhere from 0.1% to 10% but I suspect it is about the same as Covid-19
The big difference between the two is we MAY have a vaccine for this years Flu but we don't have one for Covid-19 which means people who are most at risk are more likely to get ill. this is base don the fact that the higher risk people get the Flu vaccine normally.

Part of me thinks lets just get on with it, the worlds population could do with a bit of thinning and it would be survival of the fittest. Another part of me thinks I wont make it :rollin but hey ho. Life's a bitch. Other friends and family members would go too but the alternative is to shut down global transport etc for two weeks and force people to self isolate themselves. Apart from fresh stuff, many households could survive for a week or two without stepping out the door if they were forced to. They wouldn't like it and global business would suffer but who gives a foc about them?
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: agricola on 28 February 2020, 05:34:45 PM
I guess there are a numbers of foccers who (like me) are in the "zone". Given the number of utterly irresponsible folk in the UK today, self isolation is unlikely to work so my feeling is we are in for many cases of the virus to appear.  I don't think the medics have quite got a handle on how the virus operates yet, it may be that the 14 day period is not long enough and that the virus can hide itself sufficiently to fool the checks
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Post by: Grahamm on 28 February 2020, 06:59:32 PM
From Private Eye...
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 28 February 2020, 07:08:57 PM
 
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The big difference between the two is we MAY have a vaccine for this years Flu but we don't have one for Covid-19 which means people who are most at risk are more likely to get ill. this is base don the fact that the higher risk people get the Flu vaccine normally.

Absolutely on the money BBROWN.  As far as I am aware this years flu vaccine has been a success.  The other thing is, that even if it is wrong, it can I believe be relatively quickly re-jigged and a new updated vaccine can be issued.  Whereas Covid-19 is a new for humans virus. 



The other big reason why this is a worry, is we don’t fully know quite how this virus will behave yet.  The experts are still learning, and one fear, and hopefully this won’t happen, is that it will mutate. 



The country to watch right now is Tenerife.  There have been 4 cases, and they may have nipped it in the bud, but if it sneaks out of quarantine well………    Many experts reckon COVID19 won’t survive in warm weather, so the warmer climates are the ones to watch. 



Anyway don’t forget that the Spanish flu H1N1 killed 50 million people in 1918 through to 1920.  10 million more than the great war killed.


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Another part of me thinks I wont make it :rollin but hey ho.
Indeed.  I get my flu jab every year cos I got a touch of asthma.  My asthma rarely bothers me, I go most of the year without using inhalers, but if I catch a cold it’s hell, and the last time I caught the flu I very nearly ended up in hospital. 



I guess we just have to wait and see, it might fizzle out, or do the rounds without too much damage.  It shouldn’t do the damage that Spanish Flu did, but that only cos we understand the basic techniques to prevent spread.
 
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: Oldgit on 02 March 2020, 10:37:32 AM
If you believe the way the media are portraying this, we're only one step away from the Zombie Apocalypse!

But if you look at this page: www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/) you'll see that the highest probabilty of dying from COVID-19 is if you are over 80 years old, followed by the 70-79 year old age group.

This is entirely unsurprising, since people in those groups are most likely to be susceptible because they have other, underlying medical conditions and/ or have weakened immune systems.

Frankly I think the scaremongering by the media is grossly irresponsible, especially because it's feeding back into government policy with mass quarantines, schools being closed and, even more regrettably, resulting in racist and xenophobic attitudes towards people from China etc as if they're plague carriers.

If you compare COVID-19 to the effects of Flu *every year*, you get a sense of how much this has been blown out of proportion:

Infections

COVID-19: Approximately 81,322 cases worldwide; 59 cases in the U.S. as of Feb. 26, 2020.

Flu: Estimated 1 billion cases worldwide; 9.3 million to 45 million cases in the U.S. per year.

Deaths

COVID-19: Approximately 2,770 deaths reported worldwide; 0 deaths in the U.S., as of Feb. 26, 2020.

Flu: 291,000 to 646,000 deaths worldwide; 12,000 to 61,000 deaths in the U.S. per year.

www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-disease-2019-vs-the-flu (https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-disease-2019-vs-the-flu)
Well that's me F85cked then
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: unfazed on 02 March 2020, 01:24:27 PM
Stay on the bike and you will be fine, its when you get off it the problem starts.

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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 02 March 2020, 07:08:16 PM
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Stay on the bike and you will be fine, its when you get off it the problem starts.
When you stop, keep your hat on, do not open your visor. 
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Post by: Grahamm on 02 March 2020, 11:52:56 PM
Hmm...
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Post by: steve 10562cc on 03 March 2020, 06:34:54 AM
+1 for that Grahamm
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Post by: unfazed on 03 March 2020, 09:22:25 AM
I agree it's all fecking hyped up out of proportion. Natures way of culling :eek
It's  pissing because MotoGp is being cancelled and now its rumoured that WSBK will be cancelled :\ .
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Post by: fazersharp on 03 March 2020, 12:01:26 PM
I agree it's all fecking hyped up out of proportion. Natures way of culling :eek
Its not nature it is a pre planned reduction in world population.
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Post by: steve 10562cc on 03 March 2020, 12:30:33 PM
The only thing we can be sure of is the rich will get richer and the like so of us will pay for it and get worse off. 
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Post by: unfazed on 03 March 2020, 02:03:29 PM
I agree it's all fecking hyped up out of proportion. Natures way of culling :eek
Its not nature it is a pre planned reduction in world population.
Chinese trying to reduce its older population, but the doctor let the cat out of the bag and told everybody  :eek
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Post by: YamFazFan on 03 March 2020, 05:26:21 PM
Heard an interesting point raised on the radio earlier regarding workers who are told to self-isolate at home for 2 weeks.
How do you get the doctor's sick note that's required by the employer after seven days if you can't leave the house?.
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 03 March 2020, 06:28:33 PM
 
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The only thing we can be sure of is the rich will get richer and the like so of us will pay for it and get worse off. 
The only thing the rich can do to escape it is to self-isolate until it’s over.
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Hmm...
From your list there only SARS and Bird flu had potential as an out of control pandemic.  Fortunately, whilst there were concerns neither really took off.


So I don’t see this as hype.  The current situation is unprecedented.  Despite containment controls it does look highly likely we will have a pandemic.  I’m no expert but I thought the last true pandemic was 1918 – 1920.  Estimates are that it infected 27% of the global population and killed 50 million people.  They are estimates of course.  It is estimated it wiped out 2% of the world’s population.


Put it this way it did a shit more damage than ww1, and nobody claims that was hyped. 



So yeah, we face a situation where it looks increasingly likely that this virus will now run free across the globe and do its stuff.  Lets just hope that it doesn’t take hold as many are predicting – every week that passes tells us more……
 
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 03 March 2020, 06:51:17 PM
Anyway I'm sure our wonderful new government will soon have this all under control.........
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 03 March 2020, 07:51:41 PM
Listening to the radio.
WHO spokesperson explained that there are vacines available for seasonal flu for those at risk.Further many in the wider population have built up a degree of immunity to seasonal flu.Covid 19 is a new virus.  There is no vacine for the vunerable, and nobody has any immunity. 
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Post by: fazersharp on 03 March 2020, 08:14:15 PM
IMO the best thing to do if you are a one of the % at high risk is go to a public area and lick the handrails :b and catch it now so that you can be treated before the NHS gets overwhelmed and can not cope at all.
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Post by: YamFazFan on 03 March 2020, 08:19:16 PM
Anyway I'm sure our wonderful new government will soon have this all under control.........
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Trust you to try and politicise it :rolleyes .  I'm surprised you haven't blamed Brexit yet. And there I was thinking what a lot of sense you wrote in reply #18 :wall
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 03 March 2020, 08:42:18 PM
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Trust you to try and politicise it ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/rolleyes.gif[/url]) .  I'm surprised you haven't blamed Brexit yet. And there I was thinking what a lot of sense you wrote in reply #18

You gotta have a laugh bud. :D
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 03 March 2020, 08:43:45 PM
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Post by: unfazed on 03 March 2020, 09:01:55 PM

Put it this way it did a shit more damage than ww1, and nobody claims that was hyped. 
Not a good comparsion asWW1 was confined to Europe not worldwide.  :rolleyes Just saying :D
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Post by: YamFazFan on 03 March 2020, 09:54:51 PM
Eh?. What about Lawrence Of Arabia?
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 03 March 2020, 10:02:04 PM
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Not a good comparsion asWW1 was confined to Europe not worldwide.  ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/rolleyes.gif[/url]) Just saying

The main theatre was Western Europe, but significant others;

Balkans
Russia
Egypt
Africa
Asia
Plus troops from all over the British Empire were engaged, the USA, Canada etc also entered the war.
I think it's an excellant comparison and one that focuses the mind.  I mean would you refer to WW1 as a load of hyped up nonsense?  Yet the flu killed more................
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Post by: Grahamm on 03 March 2020, 11:37:48 PM
In a couple of weeks, I'm going to a big Trade Show in Coventry.

A week after that, I'm going skiing in France for a week.

A couple of weeks after that, there's the big Sci-Fi "Eastercon" convention.

At the end of May there's the UK Board Games Expo in Birmingham.

I'm not panicking, nor am I cancelling them or buying face masks or hand sanitiser (neither of which are as efficacious as washing your hands) because I know I'm more likely to be killed riding my Fazer or on my bicycle or even being knocked down by a car crossing the road.

The media are (at last) starting to settle down a little and pointing out that the majority of people who get COVID-19 are surviving it, rather than over-dramatising the number of deaths without including any context and the WHO have just said that the average death rate is probably around 3.4%, but even that misses out the fact that it's the 80+ year olds with other health problems who have an estimated 14.8% mortality rate who are raising that number.

So, as I said in the title: Let's keep a sense of proportion... :thumbup
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Post by: unfazed on 04 March 2020, 08:55:08 AM
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Not a good comparsion asWW1 was confined to Europe not worldwide.  ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/rolleyes.gif[/url]) Just saying

The main theatre was Western Europe, but significant others;

Balkans
Russia
Egypt
Africa
Asia
Plus troops from all over the British Empire were engaged, the USA, Canada etc also entered the war.
I think it's an excellant comparison and one that focuses the mind.  I mean would you refer to WW1 as a load of hyped up nonsense?  Yet the flu killed more................

Europe is not the EU which in any case it did not exist then, Europe is a continent and 90% of WW1 was fought on the European continent. Not sure how you could compare the atrocities/devastation of of ww1 with a virus.
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Post by: Dynspud on 04 March 2020, 10:29:59 AM
I'm with Grahamm  :thumbup


Playing golf in Spain in May, Normandy beaches on the Fazers with OGRI in June, and damned well looking forward to the too.
With a bit of luck, the panic will keep everyone at home and we can have the roads to ourselves Paul  :lol
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Post by: YamFazFan on 04 March 2020, 10:41:44 AM

I admire everyone's optimism. Wish I felt the same :\


Also wish someone would tell joggers and footballers to stop doing that disgusting thing where they hold one nostril closed whilst blowing the other one out onto the floor >:


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Post by: YamFazFan on 04 March 2020, 10:57:12 AM

Not sure how you could compare the atrocities/devastation of of ww1 with a virus.


WW1 and the Spanish Flu overlapped, with the flu going on to kill approx 3 times as many globally.


This has been referred to countless times by historians over the years. It's simply a historical fact.
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Post by: unfazed on 04 March 2020, 02:13:45 PM
Well aware of both in our family, my wifes Grandfather a Sergeant in the army died in Salonika from Malaria August 1918 before the war ended in and her Grandmother died from the Spanish Flu in January 2019 leaving her father, his 2 sister and 3 brothers orphans, all under 8 years of age.
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Post by: unfazed on 04 March 2020, 02:18:27 PM
I'm with Grahamm  :thumbup


Playing golf in Spain in May, Normandy beaches on the Fazers with OGRI in June, and damned well looking forward to the too.
With a bit of luck, the panic will keep everyone at home and we can have the roads to ourselves Paul  :lol
Beaches are well worth the visit as is Albert area and Ypres if you get the time to go that far east. We had planned to go to Greece to Salonika in June. Hopefully all this will be over and we can go at leisure
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Post by: fazersharp on 04 March 2020, 06:51:23 PM
All the panic - shelves running dry - chaos. Its no wonder the world governments are keeping the alien truth a secret from the population. :smokin   
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Post by: BBROWN1664 on 04 March 2020, 07:12:28 PM
I was just in the local Sainsburys getting a few bits. It was almost empty of people despite being 6pm. Its normally quite busy at that time. Then I noticed that the locusts had been in already. All the liquid soap shelves were empty, all the anti-bacterial cleaning shelves were empty and the toilet roll shelves were empty too. Just as well I didn't need any of that lot :)

Managed to get the dogs dinner though.
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Post by: agricola on 04 March 2020, 07:22:22 PM
Panic buying, stockpiling, and no doubt the blackmarketeers are already in the game. And the companies who have jacked up their prices. Pathetic.
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 04 March 2020, 07:37:13 PM
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I was just in the local Sainsburys getting a few bits. It was almost empty of people despite being 6pm. Its normally quite busy at that time. Then I noticed that the locusts had been in already. All the liquid soap shelves were empty, all the anti-bacterial cleaning shelves were empty and the toilet roll shelves were empty too. Just as well I didn't need any of that lot
Just in from the supermarket a few minutes ago.  I heard somebody say there are no wipes or anti-bacterial wipes (soap and water will do me), but other than that all was normal.Don't know why anybody would be panicing or panic buying. 
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Post by: fazersharp on 04 March 2020, 07:43:01 PM
Some moron on the radio yesterday "im not panic buying- im just getting extra stocks in case there is a shortage"  :wall   
 
 I always use anti - bac liquid soap I fitted a pump dispenser in the extra hole in the kitchen sink (choice of left or right hand tap hole ) we are out so needed some and there was a crowd around the soaps with people picking them up and reading - clearly never brought any ever before.

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Post by: fazersharp on 04 March 2020, 07:49:56 PM
I am a bit of a germ-o-phobe and my family and friends always laugh at me when we go away because I wipe almost everything down with alcohol wipes before we even unpack. ----------- there're not laughing now.   
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Post by: ogri48 on 04 March 2020, 08:15:02 PM
I'm with Grahamm  :thumbup


Playing golf in Spain in May, Normandy beaches on the Fazers with OGRI in June, and damned well looking forward to the too.
With a bit of luck, the panic will keep everyone at home and we can have the roads to ourselves Paul  :lol
:lol :lol deffo bud :)
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Post by: BBROWN1664 on 04 March 2020, 08:51:45 PM
A few of my friends are meant to be going to Italy for the 6 Nations game next week but that's now been turned into a "behind closed doors" event. Not sure if they will go now.

I am off to France in a few weeks to do some DIY, Barcelona in May for a mates 60th and somewhere (not saying where because he does come in here sometimes as he is a Foccer) in September for my eldest sons stag do. I am not planning on changing those plans. Just drink more beer to kill the bugs :pokefun
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Post by: YamFazFan on 05 March 2020, 08:18:19 AM

Isn't the official advice to improve hygiene and use washing/cleaning products?.


Why's everyone so surprised that people are actually going to the shops and buying them?.


They've been told to use them and shops sell them. Seems obvious to me :rolleyes
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Post by: YamFazFan on 05 March 2020, 08:21:28 AM

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I was just in the local Sainsburys getting a few bits. It was almost empty of people despite being 6pm. Its normally quite busy at that time. Then I noticed that the locusts had been in already. All the liquid soap shelves were empty, all the anti-bacterial cleaning shelves were empty and the toilet roll shelves were empty too. Just as well I didn't need any of that lot
Just in from the supermarket a few minutes ago.  I heard somebody say there are no wipes or anti-bacterial wipes (soap and water will do me), but other than that all was normal.Don't know why anybody would be panicing or panic buying.


Why is following official government advice deemed to be 'panic buying'?
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Post by: mtread on 05 March 2020, 08:43:08 AM
Local shops - not a hand sanitiser to be found. Why aren't the shops 'panic supplying'?
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Post by: unfazed on 05 March 2020, 11:35:18 AM
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Post by: mtread on 05 March 2020, 03:33:56 PM
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 05 March 2020, 07:59:04 PM
 
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I am a bit of a germ-o-phobe and my family and friends always laugh at me when we go away because I wipe almost everything down with alcohol wipes before we even unpack. ----------- there're not laughing now. 
 
The problem with such OCD behaviour is that many such people end up with a less active immune system.  Your friends may well have the last laugh as having day to day higher exposure to general bacteria will help keep their immune system active and healthy.   



I better put one of these in  :pokefun just in case you have a paranoid reaction my comment. ;)
 
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 05 March 2020, 08:14:02 PM
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Post by: mtread on 05 March 2020, 11:46:37 PM
Hand sanitisers and paracetamol I can understand, but why are people stripping the shelves of toilet paper and bottled water!?  :rolleyes
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Post by: Grahamm on 06 March 2020, 01:28:47 AM
Why is following official government advice deemed to be 'panic buying'?

Buying what you need is not panic buying.

Buying way more than you need "just in case there's a shortage" is panic buying and a self-fulfilling prophecy!
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Post by: YamFazFan on 06 March 2020, 05:51:10 AM
Why is following official government advice deemed to be 'panic buying'?

Buying what you need is not panic buying.

Buying way more than you need "just in case there's a shortage" is panic buying and a self-fulfilling prophecy!
True.
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Post by: unfazed on 06 March 2020, 09:51:38 AM
Why is following official government advice deemed to be 'panic buying'?

Buying what you need is not panic buying.

Buying way more than you need "just in case there's a shortage" is panic buying and a self-fulfilling prophecy!
How true Grahamm, totally agree

A case of Covid-19 has just been confirmed 4 miles from where I live, on the way home yesterday I went in to the large local super market  for milk.Walking down the Aisle to the refrigerated section I noticed some shelves bare, I stopped and had a look as to what was normally there. Soap and soap related products.
What the foc, did these idiots not wash themselves or before all this.
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Post by: fazersharp on 06 March 2020, 10:10:02 AM
Why is following official government advice deemed to be 'panic buying'?

Buying what you need is not panic buying.

Buying way more than you need "just in case there's a shortage" is panic buying and a self-fulfilling prophecy!
How true Grahamm, totally agree

A case of Covid-19 has just been confirmed 4 miles from where I live, on the way home yesterday I went in to the large local super market  for milk.Walking down the Aisle to the refrigerated section I noticed some shelves bare, I stopped and had a look as to what was normally there. Soap and soap related products.
What the foc, did these idiots not wash themselves or before all this.

When people say "why is the government keeping x,y or z from the public" this whole episode demonstrates why. Chinese looking people are being abused and even attacked. No wonder certain grooming gangs trials and convictions are kept as quiet as possible.
 This has put back the prospect of alien disclosure at least 15 years. The general public WOULD panic and society WOULD collapse. 

 Same with any asteroid that is on a collision course with the earth - there is no way we would be told. NASA -Never A Straight Answer
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Post by: mtread on 06 March 2020, 10:25:48 AM
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Same with any asteroid that is on a collision course with the earth - there is no way we would be told. NASA -Never A StraightAnswer
Don't think I would want to be told  :eek
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Post by: YamFazFan on 06 March 2020, 11:34:09 AM
That'll  be a picnic compared with VNA's reaction when he sees what you've said about the Tories in the other thread :pokefun
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Post by: fazersharp on 06 March 2020, 02:51:32 PM
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Same with any asteroid that is on a collision course with the earth - there is no way we would be told. NASA -Never AStraightAnswer
Don't think I would want to be told  :eek
I would want time to say good bye to my loved ones ----------then go out on my  :faz :lol
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Post by: mtread on 06 March 2020, 02:54:50 PM
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I would want time to say good bye to my loved ones ----------then go out on my 

It might be raining though  ;)
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Post by: fazersharp on 06 March 2020, 04:52:22 PM
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I would want time to say good bye to my loved ones ----------then go out on my 

It might be raining though  ;)

DAM IT !!!!!
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Post by: unfazed on 06 March 2020, 05:06:57 PM
You could make an exception :D
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Post by: Grahamm on 07 March 2020, 12:44:51 PM
People are stealing hand sanitiser from hospitals.

From FOCCING HOSPITALS!!!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-51771584 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-51771584)
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Post by: fazersharp on 07 March 2020, 02:45:34 PM
Look on ebay there have been sales of small bottles of gel sold for £1,020. But I think its people sending the item up massively as a slap -down, you send it up to stupid prices and then just don't pay. Nothing they can do and you have killed the sale.
I think it has happened with other items with moral issues.     
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Post by: YamFazFan on 07 March 2020, 03:30:42 PM

People are stealing hand sanitiser from hospitals.

From FOCCING HOSPITALS!!!



Probably the same sort of low-life that steal charity collection boxes >:
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Post by: Grahamm on 07 March 2020, 06:26:54 PM
I've just seen a post on Facebook pointing out to the idiots stockpiling hand sanitiser and soap that OTHER PEOPLE need it to stop *them* contracting the virus and then passing it on to the hoarders...!!
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Post by: mtread on 07 March 2020, 07:28:29 PM
Couldn't resist  ;)
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 07 March 2020, 07:49:31 PM
 It’s interesting that when it came to BREXIT nobody wanted to listen to the experts.  Apparently, people had had enough of the experts.


 
Now it that it looks very likely that we will have a COVID19 epidemic, well everybody wants to listen to the experts.  Weird. 



 
Mind you The Donald says it’s a Democratic Part conspiracy.
 
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Post by: YamFazFan on 07 March 2020, 08:33:54 PM
  I'm surprised you haven't blamed Brexit yet.
Yep, I knew it wouldn't be long :rolleyes
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Post by: YamFazFan on 07 March 2020, 11:58:49 PM
It’s interesting that when it came to BREXIT nobody wanted to listen to the experts.  Apparently, people had had enough of the experts.


 
Now it that it looks very likely that we will have a COVID19 epidemic, well everybody wants to listen to the experts.  Weird. 
The experts also warned what a disaster a far left Corbyn led government would be. Apparently a few people had had enough of the experts and ignored that too. Now they want to listen to the experts. Weird.
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Post by: mtread on 08 March 2020, 12:36:36 AM
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The experts also warned what a disaster a far left Corbyn led government would be.
Which experts were they? :rolleyes
Presumably different experts to those who said that the Government's emerging policy of a No Deal Brexit WILL be an absolute disaster?
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Post by: YamFazFan on 08 March 2020, 08:44:20 AM
Which experts were they? :rolleyes
Every sensible person :D
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 08 March 2020, 11:21:45 AM
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The experts also warned what a disaster a far left Corbyn led government would be
Who? 
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Post by: YamFazFan on 08 March 2020, 11:28:56 AM
Now it that it looks very likely that we will have a COVID19 epidemic, well everybody wants to listen to the experts.  Weird. 
All I keep hearing about is panic buying and hoarding. Clearly many folk aren't listening to the experts :rolleyes
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Post by: mtread on 08 March 2020, 12:13:54 PM
You know, I think they've got it all wrong. They're telling people who think they've got it to self isolate. But it's quite clear that this virus is so infectious that it's already too late. Unless you are on a remote island, we're all going to catch it whatever precautions you take.
But the consequences for the majority of people are relatively mild. It's flu like, and you will get over it in a few days. For some vulnerable people it will be serious, and possibly deadly. The people we should be isolating are the elderly and those with existing serious illnesses. We should do that so they don't catch it from everybody else.
Haven't had to visit the mother-in-law for weeks. It's for her own good  :lol
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 08 March 2020, 12:48:33 PM
 
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But the consequences for the majority of people are relatively mild. It's flu like, and you will get over it in a few days. For some vulnerable people it will be serious, and possibly deadly.
So it’s I’m alright Jack. 



Maybe you are forgetting that if it is to become endemic, that means easily more than 50% of us will catch it.  Which means half the workforce having possibly one week or so off work.  There is obviously a massive economic impact here.


By some vulnerable people you mean millions of citizens and not just the elderly.  Those of all ages who suffer from diabetes, asthma, high blood pressure, heart disease etc etc.


Aside fae muppets panicking, the people who are going to do the real damage are those fit and health low risk category folks with cold like symptoms, whom instead of staying at home and keeping a low profile, will turn up at work and soldier on. 



Nobody has any immunity whatsoever.  The reason people with underlying health issues, whom are often otherwise very fit and health individuals, are encourage to take the flu vaccine is to prevent them from suffering a potentially serious illness, indeed an illness that can and will kill.


At the end of the day this virus will spread, but people who soldier on with covid19 like symptoms, will significantly increase the infection rate, and are just going to put others at potentially serious risk.
 
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Post by: YamFazFan on 08 March 2020, 12:55:29 PM
You know, I think they've got it all wrong.
They're the experts remember :deal
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 08 March 2020, 01:05:10 PM
 
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 Precisely, anybody with fresh cold or flu symptoms from now on should self-isolate.  That way the spread can hopefully be limited saving lives and serious suffering.
 
I’m not convinced this is gonna happen though.
     
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Post by: Grahamm on 08 March 2020, 02:05:05 PM
I was in the bank yesterday when two people came in wearing masks.

Everyone was panicking until they said "Don't worry, this is just a robbery..."
 :D
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Post by: YamFazFan on 08 March 2020, 02:49:11 PM
 :lol
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Post by: mtread on 08 March 2020, 07:53:48 PM
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So it’s I’m alright Jack.
I was working my way up to a joke about mother-in-laws :rolleyes


But seriously, looking at the rate of infection, it is spreading like nothing we have known before. Self isolation isn't working. It has been suggested that people are infectious before they show symptoms.
We should be controlling entry to hospitals and old people's homes. If I were acutely vulnerable, I'd be heading for somewhere remote, now.
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Post by: unfazed on 08 March 2020, 08:17:42 PM
Stay out on the bike, you have it all, self isolation, mask and gloves :lol
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 08 March 2020, 08:56:55 PM
 
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But seriously, looking at the rate of infection, it is spreading like nothing we have known before. Self isolation isn't working. It has been suggested that people are infectious before they show symptoms.
We should be controlling entry to hospitals and old people's homes. If I were acutely vulnerable, I'd be heading for somewhere remote, now.

It’s highly infectious, it’s still winter, there is no vaccine and nobody has any immunity whatsoever.  It’s already been stated that it is now unlikely that we will not have an epidemic.
 
The point of self-isolation is to slow the progress and push the peak back towards the summer.  The NHS is at full stretch already as one would expect in winter.  Further the experts are fairly confident that the virus will be less infectious come summer. 





As a fit and healthy indivdual albeit one with some minor low level auto immune issues, well I’m not looking forward to my now highly likely dose of Covid19.  The last time I had the flu I just managed to get through it without being admitted to hospital, I now take my flu jab every year.   

 

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Post by: steve 10562cc on 08 March 2020, 09:53:00 PM

The Last time I had flu spent 9 days in hospital with double Pneumonia avoided intensive care and the grim reaper by the skin of my teeth but was in isolation for the first 6 days. That was 5 years ago don't really fancy that again.   
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 09 March 2020, 07:09:23 PM
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The Last time I had flu spent 9 days in hospital with double Pneumonia avoided intensive care and the grim reaper by the skin of my teeth but was in isolation for the first 6 days. That was 5 years ago don't really fancy that again.   
That does not sound like fun. :eek

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Post by: steve 10562cc on 09 March 2020, 08:52:10 PM
It wasn't, but not painful and not frightening.
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Post by: unfazed on 10 March 2020, 12:01:32 AM

The Last time I had flu spent 9 days in hospital with double Pneumonia avoided intensive care and the grim reaper by the skin of my teeth but was in isolation for the first 6 days. That was 5 years ago don't really fancy that again.
The perfect example of "You can't kill a bad thing"  :D
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 10 March 2020, 06:25:29 PM
 
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The Last time I had flu spent 9 days in hospital with double Pneumonia avoided intensive care and the grim reaper by the skin of my teeth but was in isolation for the first 6 days. That was 5 years ago don't really fancy that again.
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Just think if it had of gotten steve there would have been no BREXIT thread on foc-u! :eek     
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Post by: steve 10562cc on 11 March 2020, 05:54:47 AM
Almost worth shaking hands with the grim reaper to avoid those Brexit threads
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Post by: Grahamm on 11 March 2020, 11:54:16 AM
Please wash your hands before coming up to the Lab and seeing what's on the slab...
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Post by: mtread on 11 March 2020, 07:10:57 PM
But maybe the rain isn't really to blame  ;)
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 11 March 2020, 07:39:49 PM
 It’s not clear yet how strong this virus is.  But estimates are that it may be up to ten times more deadly than seasonal flu – hence the concern.
 
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
 
The interesting thing will be to see if containment works.  If you follow that link and click on China and scroll down to the “Daily New Cases in China” graph, you can see that the actions taken in China suggest that containment does work.  They appear to have nipped it in the bud.
 
What remains to be seen is if Italy can pull off the same trick. 
 
And of course, all depends on the quality of the data and how much effort is being put into monitoring.
 
I listened to one virus expert explaining, whilst the situation in Italy looks very serious, it would appear there is not much of an issue in the USA.  However he pointed out that Italy is carrying out wide spread testing, the USA has not yet begun to do so.  So as he put it, unless you switch the lights on you may not see the problem developing until it’s too late.   



So if containment works, and rising temperatures make it more difficult for the virus to survive and spread - then that would get us through the summer without too much damage (other than a bit of serious economic impact) - which would just leave us needing a vacine for the autumn.


But.........

 
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Post by: BBROWN1664 on 11 March 2020, 08:19:24 PM
VNA - The figures I saw on the BBC website earlier today showed a 2% mortality rate for all places apart from Italy that was about 6% for some reason. Your link shows 6% overall. Not saying one or the other is wrong, but one might be.
60M people in the UK. Estimates are that 70% (or therabouts) will catch the virus so means about 42m of us will get the virus and somewhere between 84K and 250K of us will die.
As it tends to be the older and less fit, i suspect a few of us will be in that number. Lets hope the reality will be on the lower side of the estimates.
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 11 March 2020, 08:40:18 PM
BBROWN,

 Yeah, but those are confirmed cases.  Look, we can be almost certain that anybody who dies from Covid19 will have been tested.  But what we don’t know is the true number of how many people have covid19.  Remember some folks will think nothing of it, and shit loads of people who are concerned, they will be asking to be tested but the reality is many never will unless they end up in hospital.   I don’t know how many times the real number will be above the confirmed cases.  So I wouldn’t get overexcited about that 6% figure.  I’d go by the expert’s best interpretation/estimate – which is at the moment 1%.
 
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Estimates are that 70% (or therabouts) will catch the virus so means about 42m of us will get the virus and somewhere between 84K and 250K of us will die.

Look at that graph from China, they have dampened it right down.   The next week might give us an indication if Italy can pull off the same trick. 
 
And of course, again, the more it can be pushed back into the summer, the less the impact. 
 
I find the stats quite fascinating.  I mean the Diamond Princess is listed as if it is a country, and look how it spread on that ship!  But then again, I think, shit I don’t wanna catch this.
 
 
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Post by: BBROWN1664 on 11 March 2020, 09:25:52 PM
The Diamond Princess has about 3800 passengers and crew. Only about 700 (so far) have tested positive. Thats only 18%. It was kept low by isolation but did spread relatively quickly due to the close proximity of staff who them probably passed it on to the people they delivered food to.

My cousin (a lot younger and fitter than me) is currently on the Severn Seas Explorer as part of the entertainment crew . One of his jobs at the moment if serving the passengers to help keep the possible spread down. Hopefully his ship wont be hit.
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 11 March 2020, 11:45:47 PM
 
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The Diamond Princess has about 3800 passengers and crew. Only about 700 (so far) have tested positive. Thats only 18%. It was kept low by isolation but did spread relatively quickly due to the close proximity of staff who them probably passed it on to the people they delivered food to.

18%!    I think it shows how quickly Covid19 can spread when people are living in very close proximity.
 
Anyway, Italy is the country to watch.  There are very very early signs that they just might be getting on top of it.  The next week or two will show for sure if their stringent measures are working.  If China and Italy follow the same trend then we know what has to be done.
 
I think the UK is behind the curve.  We need to stop major gatherings now.  There’s no point right now waiting to see how China and Italy pan out.  If we do the simple things now – no major gatherings – then maybe we can avoid the more stringent measures like widespread closing of schools etc.
 
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Hopefully his ship wont be hit.

Fingers crossed bud.  Lets hope with the right response this can be nipped in the bud.  Oh for a vaccine by the autumn though.
 
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Post by: Oldgit on 12 March 2020, 10:14:45 AM
well that's cruises F*%"$d now then.
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 12 March 2020, 07:49:27 PM
 
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well that's cruises F*%"$d now then.
Fucked?
 

You know if given the choice between fortnight in Barlinnie and a fortnight cruising the med on one of those mega boats – I must say that I would have to give serious consideration to the Barlinnie option. 
 
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 12 March 2020, 08:01:13 PM
 
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Anyway, Italy is the country to watch.  There are very very early signs that they just might be getting on top of it.
May I quote myself?  Italy is still the country to watch.  But VNA may have cursed them, those very early signs, were, well a sign of nothing.  Italy has just had it’s worst day.  Hospitals are now moving towards triage. 
 
South Korea shows some signs of holding it back.


China meanwhile has recorded 18 new cases today.  Their total to date is 80,796.  The UK so far today has recorded 130 new cases.  The UK total to date is 590.
 
So if there is confidence in the Chinese data – well China now has Covid 19 under control with over 14,000 active cases.  Whilst here in the UK with a mere 562 cases it appears that the virus is free to spread.


So why aren’t now we doing what China did?   



Meanwhile driving to East Kilbride this evening I’m hearing on the radio that crematoriums are gearing up for 24hr operation. 
 
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 12 March 2020, 09:58:23 PM
 So we know it can be contained, and we know how to do it, but our government had decided not to do so. :eek   
 
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Post by: vinnyb on 12 March 2020, 10:26:42 PM
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Anyway, Italy is the country to watch.  There are very very early signs that they just might be getting on top of it.
May I quote myself?  Italy is still the country to watch.  But VNA may have cursed them, those very early signs, were, well a sign of nothing.  Italy has just had it’s worst day.  Hospitals are now moving towards triage. 
 
South Korea shows some signs of holding it back.


China meanwhile has recorded 18 new cases today.  Their total to date is 80,796.  The UK so far today has recorded 130 new cases.  The UK total to date is 590.
 
So if there is confidence in the Chinese data – well China now has Covid 19 under control with over 14,000 active cases.  Whilst here in the UK with a mere 562 cases it appears that the virus is free to spread.


So why aren’t now we doing what China did?   



Meanwhile driving to East Kilbride this evening I’m hearing on the radio that crematoriums are gearing up for 24hr operation.

  So.. is there confidence in Chinese data? They're not known for being the most open and honest country are they? They covered up the outbreak and imprisoned the doctor who tried to make it public. Even if they aren't being dishonest about the figures there are huge areas of rural China that no officials will never get to see. So who knows the real figures? Maybe not even China.
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 12 March 2020, 10:55:28 PM
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So.. is there confidence in Chinese data?
I don’t think there is any reason to disbelieve their figures.  Nobody at this time is calling them into question.
 
The UK is now, along with America the only two major countries doing practically nothing.  We are intentionally allowing the virus free range.
 
I believe what we are doing is putting economics before lives.  Very soon the NHS will be overwhelmed – it’s the middle of winter and we have no spare capacity – and soon will be practising triage.



Offically total cases in the UK recorded is 590.  The virology experts are estimating that extrapolates into a figure of 10,000 or more infected.   And it’s free to spread.
 
 

Honestly, I’m dumbfounded.
 
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Post by: darrsi on 13 March 2020, 07:35:26 AM
Middle of winter? In Scotland maybe.
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Post by: vinnyb on 13 March 2020, 08:47:31 AM
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So.. is there confidence in Chinese data?
I don’t think there is any reason to disbelieve their figures.  Nobody at this time is calling them into question.
  No, why shouldn't we trust a secretive communist country with a massive economic incentive to reopen trade routes to be telling the truth?
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Post by: Oldgit on 13 March 2020, 10:44:24 AM


I hear John Travolta was suspected of having the Corona Virus, but the medic's said it was only a bad case of Saturday Night Fever, and he's Stayin Alive, but the shakes are multiplyin.
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Post by: YamFazFan on 13 March 2020, 11:27:11 AM

Called in at the bakers the other day and there was a builder in there leaning all over the glass counter, touching everything and coughing with no handkerchief/ tissue. Even the staff in the shop said how he ought to be off sick.


That's the sort of idiot we're up against when trying to contain this virus.
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Post by: His Dudeness on 13 March 2020, 01:54:27 PM
This is my opinion on it. Basically just stating the obvious but sometimes that gets lost. It's a new flu. The fact that it's new means there's no vaccine for it yet. No vaccine means that people in the high risk category can't protect themselves from it with a simple jab. If you can't protect yourself from it with a jab you have to protect yourself in other ways.

Since it's flu it means you get it through contact with a person who already has it. That contact can be from them coughing and sneezing and then you breathe it in or by the person coughing into their hands and then touching surfaces, then you touch the surface and get it on your hands, if you touch your eyes, nose or mouth it gets into your body. So basically you get it from being around sick people. Without a vaccine the best thing you can do to lower your risk of getting it is avoid people as much as possible. The less people you're around the less chance you have of being around a sick person. So only go out when you really have to like for work or buying groceries. If you're out stay away from areas with lots of people especially closed in areas like buses, trains etc. If you're out, stay away from people who are coughing. Wash your hands regularly especially if you've been out, try not to touch your face with your hands.

Apart from that do all the regular things to keep yourself healthy and keep your immune system working well like balanced diet, drink water, cut down on booze and smoking. Also look after your mental health. If you're avoiding being around people doing social things your mental health could suffer so you have to do things to look after that. Limit the amount of time you're looking at news , all day every day will make you feel worse. Stay away from negative talk on social media or negative videos. Too much of that makes you feel worse. Do more of the things that you enjoy doing like hobbies, reading, music, bikes or whatever you're into too and whatever keeps your mind positive. They seem to be saying that it takes months to create a new vaccine so I think this is going to be with us for quite a while so we need to accept that and change our lifestyle and habits to protect ourselves from it especially if you’re in the high risk category but even if you're not in the high risk category you should do it for the people who are. That would be my take on it but I'm not medically trained.
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Post by: BBROWN1664 on 13 March 2020, 03:23:40 PM
cut down on booze and smoking.


Sod that, I am going to kill the bugs that get into me by smoking and drinking more :pokefun
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 13 March 2020, 07:18:27 PM
 
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In other words I gotta to work, and I gotta go to the shops, so if it spreads as it looks it will, I can’t exactly avoid it.
Interestingly, after work this evening, I drove a few miles to my favourite butcher.  Top notch gear, own smoke house for the bacon and all that.  Orkney beef etc.  I approached the counter and was asked to use the hand sanitiser sitting there.  Got my stuff, paid in cash, got my change back and was asked to use the sanitiser again.  No nonsense there! 
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Sod that, I am going to kill the bugs that get into me by smoking and drinking more
Auch aye, why change the habits of a lifetime just fae a silly wee bug.
 
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 13 March 2020, 08:31:45 PM
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Middle of winter? In Scotland maybe.
 
Well yeah.  Scrapped the ice of the windscreen this morning.  Might freeze again tonight.
Glencoe Ski centre, 19 out of 20 runs open.
Yup still winter. 
 
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Post by: bludclot on 13 March 2020, 08:34:22 PM



Everyone seems to want to avoid catching it - why? I'd like it, get it done and over with, get my immunity, move on.... The media has sold me on it!
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Post by: Grahamm on 13 March 2020, 08:40:50 PM
Everyone seems to want to avoid catching it - why? I'd like it, get it done and over with, get my immunity, move on.... The media has sold me on it!

But don't you know, according to the media, it's virtually a death sentence and before you die (or become a zombie) you'll infect everyone else and you'll be responsible for the deaths of millions and the collapse of civilisation...!!!
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Post by: mtread on 13 March 2020, 09:00:33 PM
Expert on Newsnight last night said (perhaps jokingly) he'd send all the old and vulnerable people to the north of Scotland, and the rest of us to Kent. So when the rest of us have quickly caught it and our immune systems beaten it, we could then mix again.


Sounds like a plan....... except according to VNA, the cold will have finished them off!
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 13 March 2020, 10:06:13 PM
Could always send them to Shetland, it's pretty darn remote.
Oh hang on a minute - two cases confirmed on the Shetland isles.
I know of one person at my work who has self isolated.
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Post by: fazersharp on 14 March 2020, 09:24:34 AM
The whole outbreak is a good thing. It has provided a brilliant test run for a future virus that would be far more deadly. Computer models are one thing but this has shown in real life how it spreads and how the public react.   
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 14 March 2020, 10:58:54 AM
 
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The whole outbreak is a good thing. It has provided a brilliant test run for a future virus that would be far more deadly. Computer models are one thing but this has shown in real life how it spreads and how the public react.   

Umm, hello, what planet are you on today  Fazersharp? :lol   The world has been here before ie Spanish Flu Pandemic 1918-1920.  Covid19 is the event we have spent a 100 years trying to avoid. 
 
Meanwhile China still appears to have it licked and is very much in the recovery stage.  A month ago we were concerned about what was happening in China, now China is concerned about what is happening in the rest of the world. 



Italy is in crises.


South Korea shows signs of following China in getting the virus under control.


Whilst the UK government intends to expose us all to the virus. 
 
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Post by: YamFazFan on 14 March 2020, 11:01:34 AM
The whole outbreak is a good thing.
I'm just in the process of salvaging what money I can from pre-booked holidays and the connections/excursions associated with them. Can only imagine what restrictions are going to be imposed on everyone next week.

Yeah, foccin brilliant :rolleyes
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 14 March 2020, 11:11:32 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=aox7CeOdmOY&feature=emb_logo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=aox7CeOdmOY&feature=emb_logo)
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Post by: fazersharp on 14 March 2020, 11:20:32 AM
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The whole outbreak is a good thing. It has provided a brilliant test run for a future virus that would be far more deadly. Computer models are one thing but this has shown in real life how it spreads and how the public react.   

Umm, hello, what planet are you on today  Fazersharp? :lol   The world has been here before ie Spanish Flu Pandemic 1918-1920.  Covid19 is the event we have spent a 100 years trying to avoid. 
 
The world has not been here before. In 1918 we never had any air travel --Orville had only just took off 14 years earlier FFS. So all we have had since then are computer models, this mild virus will help future planning for a proper deadly virus.


 
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 14 March 2020, 11:35:24 AM
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Yeah, foccin brilliant
 
If you have already booked and paid for them, well why not just go on holiday.  Unless that is you plan on self-isolating for months.  If you are fit and healthy then just go, the risk is just the same as being at home, it might even be less as the UK intends to spread the virus rather than contain it. 
 
Plus if you cancel now, you’ll struggle to get any cash back.  If you hold tight, you might get your holiday, or if it is cancelled (depending on how you booked and paid) you should get your money back, same if the firm you booked with goes bust.
 
Which is the other thing.  This is going to be a major economic hit.  Buisnesses are going to go bust left right and centre.  People are going to lose their jobs.  It’s an all-round disaster. 
 
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Post by: YamFazFan on 14 March 2020, 01:21:07 PM
Which is the other thing.  This is going to be a major economic hit.  Buisnesses are going to go bust left right and centre.  People are going to lose their jobs.  It’s an all-round disaster.
Hate to say it, but agree 100% :'(
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 14 March 2020, 03:40:51 PM
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Post by: mtread on 14 March 2020, 03:57:18 PM
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Post by: fazersharp on 14 March 2020, 04:08:22 PM

Whilst the UK government intends to expose us all to the virus. 
 
Which is what the "experts" are telling them to do. So finally it seems you agreeing that its best not to always listen to the experts.
 On the subject of experts I think the WHO have done a crap job, they seemed to of dragged their feet at every stage. Very reluctant to call for the next steps needed. And don't seem to have a clue, they are very good at providing clean water to African villages or giving family planning advice to the same ( Directer General has 5 kids himself ). The whole organisation seems too cumbersome and overpaid.
 Here is how they get their money.         
 Assessed contributions are the dues countries pay in order to be a member of the Organization. The amount each Member State must pay is calculated relative to the country's wealth and population.
Sound familiar ?  ;)
I think after all of this is over the WHO will need to answer some questions.  
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Post by: darrsi on 14 March 2020, 04:45:24 PM
Had a package delivered earlier, and the postman signed for it himself, even though he knocked on the door and it was answered.


Puzzled me a bit as to why he would do  that, but i got my parcel anyway.


But after checking the Royal Mail tracking details out of curiosity i then saw that he'd signed it cov19   :eek


Bit dark.







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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 14 March 2020, 04:56:48 PM
 
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Which is what the "experts" are telling them to do.
The government seem to be picking strange experts.  And their policies are being widely criticised by public health experts and virologists.  Not only that Scotland has already broken ranks and implemented more stringent measures, and even the English football league and others are acting ahead of the government.  We have a government behind the curve in the middle of a major health crises.


And whilst Johnson tells us, that sorry, some of us plebs just have to accept that we are going to die, well you can guarantee that the Eton boys running the country and making the ‘big decisions’ like, lets just let it spread,  will be protected from Covid19 and if they do catch the virus and fall seriously ill they will be guaranteed access the best health care money can buy.  For the rest of us it’s triage.


Meanwhile, whilst Johnson tells us it cannot be contained, well in just a few days time the UK will have more active cases than China – a country of over 1.5 billion people, and the souce of the outbreak.

 
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 14 March 2020, 06:22:36 PM
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Which is what the "experts" are telling them to do.
In other words, this is a new virus, and it would be a mistake to assume that exposure leads to immunity.
 
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 14 March 2020, 06:25:42 PM
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Post by: YamFazFan on 14 March 2020, 07:15:48 PM
The rolling headline on BBC News Channel...'Hundreds of scientists call on UK government to toughen virus response'
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Post by: fazersharp on 14 March 2020, 07:21:47 PM
The rolling headline on BBC News Channel...'Hundreds of scientists call on UK government to toughen virus response'
"Hundreds" --- really ? - BBC come on. I also am fed up of seeing their bright red floating animated virus banner that covers about 1/4 of the screen. Their headlines and graphics are no better than click bate.     

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Post by: YamFazFan on 14 March 2020, 07:30:13 PM
200 they just said.
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 14 March 2020, 08:47:08 PM
 New cases today in China - 11
 
New cases today in the UK - 342
 
New cases today in South Korea - 107
 
This virus is spreading freely, and our government appears to be clueless.
 
Other countries have demonstrated that the spread can be stopped, whilst the UK talks about spreading the virus, with the inevitable and numerous fatalities, in the hope, and it is just a hope, that we will as a country develop herd immunity to this brand new virus.
 
Sorry but our government is yet again proving to be utterly incompetent, or it has some other sinister agenda.
 
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Post by: YamFazFan on 14 March 2020, 08:56:55 PM
I reckon there could well be a rapid re-think on this strategy. The NHS is going to be overwhelmed at this rate.
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 14 March 2020, 10:54:01 PM
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I reckon there could well be a rapid re-think on this strategy. The NHS is going to be overwhelmed at this rate.
Totally agree.  The governments stragedy is a joke.  They don't have a clue, or they don't care.
I fundamentally disagree with the concept of scraficing people.
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Post by: fazersharp on 15 March 2020, 12:35:10 PM
There has to be a massive ramping up of testing otherwise the Country will grind to a halt.

 35,000 have been tested and only 1140 positive. So without any testing that would of been over 33,000 sitting at home for no reason.
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Post by: fazersharp on 15 March 2020, 12:42:52 PM

  The governments stragedy is a joke.  They don't have a clue, or they don't care.
Largly party politics have been suspended and Labour on the whole are backing the Government.
 Its a shame Labour did not win the election because we would of all had free internet and can watch porn all day while we die at home because Labour spent all the money and there was none left for anything else.   
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Post by: BBROWN1664 on 15 March 2020, 01:41:10 PM
There has to be a massive ramping up of testing otherwise the Country will grind to a halt.

 35,000 have been tested and only 1140 positive. So without any testing that would of been over 33,000 sitting at home for no reason.

But then they go out and get infected by someone else.

Total lockdown will only delay the process. Many if not all people will get it and many will need hospitalisation as a result. There arent enough hospital beds but there are many empty hotels now that they are talking about commandeering to use as hospitals for less critical cases.

I have just been winding my dad up about this as he turns 70 in less than 2 months so could be included in the compulsory isolation being talked about. We have been telling the MIL to self isolate for weeks. Partly so we dont have to put up with her :pokefun but also becuase she doesnt give a foc about others. The main reason the government is thinking of doing this is because the over 70s are more likely to need a hospital bed when they get Covid-19.
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Post by: fazersharp on 15 March 2020, 02:04:28 PM
So far India has 89 cases - very low for the population but at 34 degrees C should they have zero cases. We are pinning our hopes on delaying its peak until the Summer months SUMMER MONTHS  :rollin UK   
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Post by: BBROWN1664 on 15 March 2020, 02:08:20 PM
So far India has 89 cases - very low for the population but at 34 degrees C should they have zero cases. We are pinning our hopes on delaying its peak until the Summer months SUMMER MONTHS  :rollin UK   
Many of those will have been people returning from other countries. Also, India isnt known for its honesty sometimes. They have many more cases but, like the USA, just havent tested people.
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Post by: fazersharp on 15 March 2020, 02:14:41 PM
So far India has 89 cases - very low for the population but at 34 degrees C should they have zero cases. We are pinning our hopes on delaying its peak until the Summer months SUMMER MONTHS  :rollin UK   
Many of those will have been people returning from other countries. Also, India isnt known for its honesty sometimes. They have many more cases but, like the USA, just havent tested people.
Yep sothe 34C hot weather is not reducing the virus. Its not helping Spain either and their temp right now is about the same as the UK's summer. 
 I think the only thing warmer weather will do is reduce the usual NHS winter strain.
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Post by: mtread on 15 March 2020, 02:27:41 PM
The Trump administration has reportedly offered a German pharmaceutical company 'large amounts of money' for exclusive access to a vaccine, according to German media.
Hopefully they'll tell him to fuck off. Hopefully they'll offer it first to EU member states........ Oh, hang on a minute  :'(
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 15 March 2020, 02:43:40 PM
 
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Total lockdown will only delay the process.
We are told that winter provides the ideal conditions for such a virus.  A strong response can push the process towards summer.
There is a momentous effort to develop a vaccine and make it available.  Normal time frame is 18mnths.  Surely there is hope something is available sooner.
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I have just been winding my dad up about this as he turns 70 in less than 2 months so could be included in the compulsory isolation being talked about.
Death rate for 70-79 year olds is estimated at 8%.  Presumably compulsory isolation will be consensual isolation.


China has 25 new cases today.  South Korea has 76 new cases today.  Not got a figure for the UK yet, but it was 342 yesterday.


Lock down works.  What is our priority?  The economy, or people's lives.



But on another note.  We don’t care about the pain that our illegal and immoral wars place on others.  We fight proxy wars through dubious allies jostling in the never-ending political power stakes, whilst in turn earning billions of pounds in arms sales for our trouble. We don’t care about the 100,000’s killed and the millions displaced – it’s all so far away.  Then look down our noses at the refuges and asylum seekers as they try to survive and piece together their lives, worthless pawns in global power struggles.  And look at us, it’s just a virus, but we can’t even get through the first week or so without greedy and selfish individuals stripping the supermarket shelfs.  How pathetic can we get?   Just a thought.
 
 
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 15 March 2020, 04:02:25 PM
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Post by: fazersharp on 15 March 2020, 07:43:55 PM
How many in the UK have actually died from corona. Listen to what is said "An 80 year old man who has previously tested positive for corona has died" that does not say he died of corona. He could of had cancer - well anything really and died of that and was going to die anyway.   
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Post by: mtread on 15 March 2020, 07:50:12 PM
Mr Pedanticsharp. You can't die from any virus. You die (or it is hastened) by complications caused by the virus. The virus weakens your bodies ability to deal with other illnesses. Looks like many are dying from pneumonia that they might have fought off, if they hadn't been infected by the virus.
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Post by: YamFazFan on 15 March 2020, 09:37:32 PM

And look at us, it’s just a virus, but we can’t even get through the first week or so without greedy and selfish individuals stripping the supermarket shelfs.  How pathetic can we get?   Just a thought.


I think that's a minority. Most people aren't like that. Thankfully.



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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 15 March 2020, 10:26:34 PM
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How many in the UK have actually died from corona. Listen to what is said "An 80 year old man who has previously tested positive for corona has died" that does not say he died of corona. He could of had cancer - well anything really and died of that and was going to die anyway. 
My father died of pneumonia.   Or did he?   He had dementia, the dementia had eroded his immune system.  It’s not unusual for dementia sufferers to get nose bleeds – part of the degenerative nature of the disease.  He got a nose bleed.  The staff at the nursing home couldn’t stop it.  So, they sent him to hospital, the Doctors couldn’t stop it cos every time they tried to cauterize his nose he tried to stick one on them.  But the nose bleed then stopped of its own accord.  But he’d swallowed blood, and been sick and swallowed some of that too.  So, the dementia gave him a nose bleed, which in turn allowed blood and other stuff into his lungs, which in turn ended up with him developing pneumonia.  It then took him about a fortnight to die. 



But look if you introduce Covid19 to the average care home, well how many will survive?  10%?  20,30,40,50%? 



But you can’t say that because they were sitting in ‘God’s waiting room’, the care home, that foc it, they were gonna die anyway.  I don't buy into that crap. 



And don't forget we are all gonna die – that’s just a fact of life.
 
 
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Post by: mtread on 15 March 2020, 11:27:56 PM
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I think that's a minority. Most people aren't like that. Thankfully.
Shopper interviewed on the news tonight. 'Are you buying much more than you normally would?' 'Yes'. 'Why?' 'Because everybody else is'.
The reaction in Italy is to sing opera and make music from their balconies.
In Spain they all applaud the health workers.
While we just fight over the last toilet roll on the shelf.
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 16 March 2020, 12:16:29 AM
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While we just fight over the last toilet roll on the shelf.
And steal hand sanitiser from essential front line health workers.
 
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Post by: steve 10562cc on 16 March 2020, 05:49:21 AM
Not sure why bikers are worried about this COVID-19 every time you throw a leg over your bike death or serious injury could be waiting some where on that ride, but we still ride.
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Post by: BBROWN1664 on 16 March 2020, 08:33:56 AM
Not sure why bikers are worried about this COVID-19 every time you throw a leg over your bike death or serious injury could be waiting some where on that ride, but we still ride.
If/when we end up on the slab because of riding a bike, our friends and family may be upset.
If/when we end up on a slab because of COVID-19, we may have accidentally (or otherwise) passed it on to our family and friends for some of them to join us on the slab too.

As I keep saying to my mother in law, its not you that you need to think about, it is every other Foccer that you may infect through your selfishness.

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Post by: steve 10562cc on 16 March 2020, 10:33:06 AM
Not sure why bikers are worried about this COVID-19 every time you throw a leg over your bike death or serious injury could be waiting some where on that ride, but we still ride.
If/when we end up on the slab because of riding a bike, our friends and family may be upset.
If/when we end up on a slab because of COVID-19, we may have accidentally (or otherwise) passed it on to our family and friends for some of them to join us on the slab too.

As I keep saying to my mother in law, its not you that you need to think about, it is every other Foccer that you may infect through your selfishness.

I did not mean to imply we should take a cavalier attitude to COVID-19 but nor should we buy into all this hysteria surrounding it. Just take reasonable/sensible precautions to protect ourselves and others.


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Post by: fazersharp on 16 March 2020, 10:38:26 AM
Not sure why bikers are worried about this COVID-19 every time you throw a leg over your bike death or serious injury could be waiting some where on that ride, but we still ride.
:agree
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Post by: mtread on 16 March 2020, 10:39:07 AM
I've just driven past my local Asda. Nobody is at work today, they're all queuing up to get in the car park.
This doesn't bode well for when the real catastrophe arrives on this planet. Heaven help us when the aliens invade.  :eek
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Post by: fazersharp on 16 March 2020, 10:56:06 AM
I've just driven past my local Asda. Nobody is at work today, they're all queuing up to get in the car park.
This doesn't bode well for when the real catastrophe arrives on this planet. Heaven help us when the aliens invade.  :eek

I refer you to the post I made on 4th March

 
All the panic - shelves running dry - chaos. Its no wonder the world governments are keeping the alien truth a secret from the population. :smokin   
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Post by: vinnyb on 16 March 2020, 11:12:00 AM
 How long is it going to be 'til delivery trucks are getting hijacked on the way to supermarkets?
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Post by: mtread on 16 March 2020, 11:14:03 AM
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I refer you to the post I made on 4th March
Yes, but I was joking  :eek
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Post by: robbo on 16 March 2020, 11:53:18 AM
A good bit of advice I read a few days ago was, that it's better to act as though you've got and are trying to protect others from getting it, rather than act as though you're trying not to get it.
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Post by: BBROWN1664 on 16 March 2020, 12:05:16 PM
If you have sky tv, or NowTV, you may still be able to get this on demand.

https://www.sky.com/watch/cobra (https://www.sky.com/watch/cobra)
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 16 March 2020, 05:11:30 PM
 Yeah, this supermarket thing is pissing me off.  I popped in to do a normal shop.  Nae tatties, no onions, no pasta, many tinned items gone, no chicken, no bog roll, a few loaves of bread left.
 
How long can the idiots keep it up.  I’m having to adapt what I buy now to fit round the loonies and I’m starting to run out of things.
 
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Post by: YamFazFan on 16 March 2020, 06:53:16 PM
Shopper interviewed on the news tonight. 'Are you buying much more than you normally would?' 'Yes'. 'Why?' 'Because everybody else is'.
Yeah I saw that one. I hope he was ashamed to see himself on telly. I bet he wasn't though :rolleyes
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Post by: fazersharp on 16 March 2020, 07:37:31 PM
Shopper interviewed on the news tonight. 'Are you buying much more than you normally would?' 'Yes'. 'Why?' 'Because everybody else is'.
Yeah I saw that one. I hope he was ashamed to see himself on telly. I bet he wasn't though :rolleyes
He should of been called out by the tv crew right there on camera.
In my local Asda there was plenty of fresh food and meat available, just no pasta or rice or tinned tomato's or mince or loo rolls.
 Perhaps the reason for the lack of loo rolls is because everyone is eating bolognaise.   
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 16 March 2020, 07:44:22 PM
How long can people panic buy for?What are they doing with it all? 
When will I be able to get my normal weekly shop in again?
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Post by: tex on 16 March 2020, 07:45:11 PM
Just in
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Post by: fazersharp on 16 March 2020, 07:52:18 PM
Surly when people have stocked up - panic brought then all they need to do is normal buy to restock their hoard. Hoping that once the supermarket catches up everything will be back to normal.

 These selfish panic buying horders are the same people who wouldn't hand in a wallet they found or that drive fast around schools or say the ebay item did not get delivered and claim back, or make false insurance claims. General low life.     
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Post by: agricola on 16 March 2020, 08:01:05 PM
How long is it going to be 'til delivery trucks are getting hijacked on the way to supermarkets?


People breaking into your homes to steal food and toilet rolls
Black marketeers taking over local supply of unavailable items
Same folk stealing respirators/drugs from hospitals/doctors/ambulances and the like
Digging up veg from peoples allotments
Storming supermarkets as soon as a delivery arrives and making off with supplies
Looting
False claims for financial assistance


We're in for a tough time


Dig for victory

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Post by: fazersharp on 16 March 2020, 08:12:19 PM
In WW2 people could get arrested for overcharging for hard to get items - profiteering.
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Post by: fazersharp on 16 March 2020, 09:11:26 PM
I see that gready git Branson is quick to start asking for a bailout and was the first to complain about the gov giving flybe a helping hand. Hippocratical remainer.
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Post by: vinnyb on 16 March 2020, 09:51:32 PM
I see that gready git Branson is quick to start asking for a bailout and was the first to complain about the gov giving flybe a helping hand. Hippocratical remainer.

 Apparently he's asking all his pilots and air crew to take time off without pay. He could afford to ground all his planes for 3 months and pay them all in full and barely dent his wealth. Why to the mega rich  that only their minion's should take the financial hit?
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 16 March 2020, 10:15:54 PM
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Storming supermarkets as soon as a delivery arrives and making off with supplies
Looting
I didn’t get half the staff I wanted out of the supermarket today. I’m just doing normal shopping.
I’m on foccin oven chips cos a cannae get tatties!  Foc me.


So I might try again tomorrow, it’s gotta ease off soon.  I did note that many breakfast cereals were available again today.


But failing that I’ll just drive 7 miles up the coast to one of the finest butchers in Scotland - https://www.mccaskiebutcher.co.uk/ (https://www.mccaskiebutcher.co.uk/) and indulge myself a little.  Cos you know what, the foccin hoarders won’t fork oot fae the guid stuff. (or am I for a rude awakening)
 
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Post by: Trebus on 16 March 2020, 10:16:10 PM
Virgin were part of the Flybe buy out last year!
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Post by: fazersharp on 16 March 2020, 11:10:52 PM
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But failing that I’ll just drive 7 miles up the coast to one of the finest butchers in Scotland.  Cos you know what, the foccin hoarders won’t fork oot fae the guid stuff.
 
So it's alright for the rich then I see.  :rolleyes
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Post by: fazersharp on 16 March 2020, 11:18:20 PM
Branson wanting handouts, lays off workers. Thousands of brits stranded in central Europe without plane flights, Sir Branson should be stripped of his knighthood he could of stepped up to help.


Meanwhile Louis Vuitton is turning over its cosmetics and perfume factory to make hand sanitizer and is going to deliver it FREE to the health sector.
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 16 March 2020, 11:36:57 PM
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Branson wanting handouts, lays off workers. Thousands of brits stranded in central Europe without plane flights, Sir Branson should be stripped of his knighthood he could of stepped up to help.
Typical Tory c**t.
Massive queues at gun stores in the USA.  I guess they think they are gonna shoot the virus.  Foccin muppits :lol
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Post by: fazersharp on 16 March 2020, 11:39:21 PM
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Typical remainer c**t.
Fixed that for you.
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 16 March 2020, 11:45:03 PM
Foc off :lol
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 16 March 2020, 11:46:16 PM
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Post by: mtread on 16 March 2020, 11:47:42 PM
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and was the first to complain about the gov giving flybe a helping hand. Hippocratical remainer.
Actually that was Willie Walsh of BA who complained. Virgin part owns Flybe, so Branson is hardly likely to complain.
Facts, facts, facts!
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Post by: mtread on 16 March 2020, 11:52:15 PM
Interesting bit on Newsnight about other European countries (Norway, Denmark etc) paying temporarily laid-off staff 75% of their salaries.
Be interesting to see what 'economic measures' the government is going to announce tomorrow.
Don't hold your breath.....  :rolleyes
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Post by: mtread on 17 March 2020, 12:43:05 AM
By merely advising the public to 'stay away', rather than instructing them to close, theatres, bars and restaurants etc cannot claim on their 'business disruption' insurance.
Well done Boris  :rolleyes
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Post by: Grahamm on 17 March 2020, 01:25:27 AM
On another Forum I'm having a "discussion" with a right winger who is arguing that the Free Market is the best way to run an economy and Socialism is one step away from Communism.

The White House are thinking about giving every American $1000 as part of an Economic Stimulus package.

I'm sure there's a word for that...  :rollin :rollin :rollin
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Post by: Grahamm on 17 March 2020, 01:29:21 AM
Yeah, this supermarket thing is pissing me off.

My girlfriend and I normally do an online Asda shop on Sunday evening for delivery on Tuesday.

This Sunday, I could barely get on the Asda site which kept falling over due to excessive demand. When I finally got on, the earliest delivery slot I could get was Thursday.

This meant my girlfriend had to go up to the local Asda early this morning to get milk, veg and a couple of other bits and pieces so we'd have enough food in before the delivery on Thursday...!

PS in the online shop, there were a lot of items out of stock too.
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Post by: fazersharp on 17 March 2020, 12:21:48 PM
Something I don't get. Lets say a 3 person house. The advice last night was that if one person has the symptoms then the others in the house also have to isolate for 14 days. But if person number 2 gets it after 7 days there is no requirement for person 3 to "reset" the 14 day clock - they can carry on with the person one's 14 day time period.
 That to me is saying that person 3 is immune.
 
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Post by: BBROWN1664 on 17 March 2020, 12:24:17 PM
:agree

That's how it appears to be.
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Post by: mtread on 17 March 2020, 01:07:17 PM
That to me is saying they haven't thought it through
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Post by: mtread on 17 March 2020, 01:42:43 PM
The guidance is all over the place.
'Avoid pubs, theatres, cinemas (some) workplaces' etc, but feel free to queue up with hundreds of others in your local supermarket.
As I said earlier, the only people who should isolate are the very old and vulnerable with existing health issues. They need to isolate for several weeks and be supported.
The rest of us should just get it over with.
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Post by: fazersharp on 17 March 2020, 01:46:09 PM
Also in a two person household.
Person one gets it and person two isolates for 14 day's and on day 13 person two catches (shows symptoms ) meanwhile person 2 is ok after the 7 days and does not have to isolate and indeed can go back work after their 7 days and stay at work even though person two is a live case.


 
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Post by: mtread on 17 March 2020, 01:50:24 PM
After the Oxford-Cambridge boat race is cancelled, organisers say anyone who still wants to see old Etonians out of their depth can watch the daily coronavirus briefing instead. :D
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Post by: fazersharp on 17 March 2020, 02:32:20 PM
Perhaps we need a new approach. All those well and fit - step up get given it - have a sore throat for 2 days and go back to work after 7 days to keep this country going.

Why don't kids get it. I think it was that angry squirrel Gretta and her climate fanatic handlers, they have released the virus to kill off the generation that she seems to blame and hate.     
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 17 March 2020, 02:48:23 PM
 
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Perhaps we need a new approach. All those well and fit - step up get given it - have a sore throat for 2 days and go back to work after 7 days to keep this country going.
What is it?  Foccing Dr Fazersharp now – lets experiment in the population – sure why foccin not :eek :eek .
 
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Post by: fazersharp on 17 March 2020, 03:59:04 PM
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Perhaps we need a new approach. All those well and fit - step up get given it - have a sore throat for 2 days and go back to work after 7 days to keep this country going.
What is it?  Foccing Dr Fazersharp now – lets experiment in the population – sure why foccin not :eek :eek .
 
Calm down Gareth. You will be safe as one of the vulnerable as you would of been isolated, you will also be fine as one of the well off as you can afford to be not earning for 4 months. Not that you would not be on full pay anyway working in the Nuclear industry.
I can not afford to be isolating for 14 days if Mrs Sharp has a sore throat then not catch it off her but then catch it anyway and then off for another 7 days. I may as well catch it and be off for 7 days and get back to work.     
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 17 March 2020, 04:15:45 PM
 
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Calm down Gareth.
Oh here we go again Dr foccin Fazersharp :eek :lol
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You will be safe as one of the vulnerable as you would of been isolated,
I’m on annual leave – dunno what’s happening at my work.
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you will also be fine as one of the well off as you can afford to be not earning for 4 months.
Thanks for letting me know what I can and cannot afford to do. I cannot work from home.  I will turn up at work unless my employer instructs me to go home, or if I suspect I have caught Covid19.
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Not that you would not be on full pay anyway working in the Nuclear industry.
Really!  You think so?  You seem to know my terms and conditions better than I.   

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I can not afford to be isolating for 14 days - if Mrs Sharp has a sore throat then not catch it off her but then catch it anyway and then off for another 7 days. I may as well catch it and be off for 7 days and get back to work.     
Yeah, this is a game changer.  People are losing pay left right and centre, others are finding themselves without work.  The government needs to put in place suitable emergency measures.  People need to be able to take mortgage breaks, council tax breaks etc, businesses be given rates breaks.  It’s a full scale emergency.


But you know what, I have no faith whatsoever in this government.
 
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Post by: fazersharp on 17 March 2020, 11:31:20 PM
Saw a bloke earlier walking down the street with a mask over his chin ~ so he could smoke his fag  :lol
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Post by: YamFazFan on 18 March 2020, 08:34:23 AM

But you know what, I have no faith whatsoever in this government.


Now there's a surprise! :eek

You'd say that no matter what they did, just as conversely you would defend Labour come what may if they were in government :rolleyes
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Post by: mtread on 18 March 2020, 09:50:27 AM
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 18 March 2020, 10:51:15 AM
 
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You'd say that no matter what they did, just as conversely you would defend Labour come what may if they were in government

I actively campaigned against Labour during the 00’s, I described them then as the enemy. 
 
You know we’ve privatised pretty much all our housing stock, we privatised pretty much all our essential infrastructure, we privatised all our utilities, we have also privatised all our services including the bulk of social services.  Over the last few decades, the Tories have pretty much achieved their goal of a private capitalist system, with an increasingly vulnerable insecure workforce – what the Tories call the low wage flexible economy.


Now we face the biggest crises this country has faced since the end of ww2, and we start from the weakest possible position.


Yes I fucking love Tories.
 
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 18 March 2020, 12:01:39 PM
 Here’s a weird thing.


About a month ago one of the lads at work returned from a long weekend in Iceland.


Withing a few days he developed a stinking cold.  He was a bit of a mess, but hey typical Scot, he kept going, and in fact I was stuck working with the snivelling coughing sneezing bastard for a couple of days :\ .  So yeah, real quick, two days later I had what seemed to be the same cold, and I’ve only just more or less shifted the nasty dry cough that practically had me on my knees at times.


Why mention this.  Iceland is in 4th place for infections per million.  They have recorded 733 per million compared to the UK’s current 29.


Just makes you wonder.
 
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 18 March 2020, 12:14:54 PM
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Post by: fazersharp on 18 March 2020, 12:34:46 PM
About a month ago one of the lads at work returned from a long weekend in Iceland.
Withing a few days he developed a stinking cold.  He was a bit of a mess, but hey typical Scot, he kept going, and in fact I was stuck working with the snivelling coughing sneezing bastard for a couple of days :\ .  So yeah, real quick, two days later I had what seemed to be the same cold, and I’ve only just more or less shifted the nasty dry cough that practically had me on my knees at times.

Why mention this.  Iceland is in 4th place for infections per million.  They have recorded 733 per million compared to the UK’s current 29.

Sounds to me like you have already had it and are good to go. We need to test test test.   
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Post by: fazersharp on 18 March 2020, 12:45:48 PM
Heres a good one. It was seeded by Trump so he could get the agreement to bail out wall street and send every American 1,000 bucks and therefore secure a second term.   
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 18 March 2020, 12:59:05 PM
 
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Sounds to me like you have already had it and are good to go. We need to test test test.   
Dunno, I had no fever, only a mild headache, just typical cold symptoms but the cough was dry and persistent.  Probably just a cold.

 
I'd love to be tested, that is if the test could detect recent infection.  Imagine how good I would feel if they said – well MR VNA the bad news is you have tested positive for Covid19, the good news is you are already fully recovered.


The problem with testing – well we don’t have 60 million plus testing kits.
 
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Post by: fazersharp on 18 March 2020, 01:09:45 PM
To keep the country going we don't need to test everyone.
  Take a doctor who's daughter at home has the symptoms- he now has to isolate for 14 days. All along his daughter could just have normal flu/cold and he was at home for 14 days for no reason. His daughter needs to be tested.
Targeted testing for key workers and their families NHS first. Then people who work in nuclear power stations as we need to keep the lights on.
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Post by: YamFazFan on 18 March 2020, 01:40:09 PM

Now we face the biggest crises this country has faced since the end of ww2


I thought you said that was Brexit?. Make your mind up :rolleyes
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 18 March 2020, 01:48:19 PM
 
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I thought you said that was Brexit?. Make your mind up :rolleyes

BREXIT is just an exercise in self harm.  The people (in England) voted for English nationalism, isolation and growing inequality. 
 
Anyway I strongly suspect BREXIT will be delayed for at least 12mnths.
 
But I’ll also say this, those who think the EU desperately needs us are greatly mistaken, they have other priorities right now, and the UK are not team players, so I don’t think they’ll really give a toss about a NO DEAL BREXIT.  I think they have probably had about enough of England’s self-indulgent nationalism and temper tantrums.
 
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Post by: Dudeofrude on 18 March 2020, 04:28:00 PM
Testing is what needs to be happening! That's the resounding advice coming from the Chinese and Korean scientists/doctors that have already dealt with it.
It's impossible to fight the spread of a virus if you dont know where it is!
Based on simple statistics alone the vast majority of people currently self isolating do not have Covid-19, but after their 2 week isolation period( having not been tested) they are going to go back out into the world with a false sense of security because they still won't know of they've had it or not. You could be holed up for 2 weeks with nothing more than a common cold, come out and then catch the real thing 2 days later then proceed about your life for another week until you start to show symptoms again by which time you've infected a load more people....Its madness!?

I hate to jump on the political bandwagon but its typical government penny pinching idiocy.
All this lockdown is doing is ruining the economy, it's not going to save many lives because it's not structured and way too vague.


It would have been a better idea to just isolate the people at more highly risk and then tell the rest of us to stay away but carry on keeping the country running
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Post by: fazersharp on 18 March 2020, 04:30:35 PM
looks like the government are going to bow to public pressure again and shut the schools  :rolleyes . They already changed their policy on herd immunity because of the public :rolleyes   
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 18 March 2020, 04:59:08 PM
 
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They already changed their policy on herd immunity because of the public :rolleyes

No sadly their policy is still the same.  What they have stopped doing is using the term ‘herd immunity’ after the WHO mauled them. 
 
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It would have been a better idea to just isolate the people at more highly risk and then tell the rest of us to stay away but carry on keeping the country running
And how are you gonna do that?  Those at higher risk need looked after etc…



Anyway, the virus is starting to get a hold now.  Going by the stats I can see today, it looks like the UK will have its first 1000 plus recorded new cases day.  Our government needs to “turn the taps off” as they have said, but I suspect they’ll find it very difficult to do so.


Meanwhile China has 13 new cases today.
 
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Post by: mtread on 18 March 2020, 05:00:56 PM
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It would have been a better idea to just isolate the people at more highly risk and then tell the rest of us to stay away but carry on keeping the country running

Wot I said.
The trouble with testing, it's only valid on the day. You could catch it the following day and think you are OK.
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Post by: Gnasher on 18 March 2020, 05:18:47 PM
looks like the government are going to bow to public pressure again and shut the schools  :rolleyes . They already changed their policy on herd immunity because of the public :rolleyes


That will be the final nail in the coffin.  Who is going to look after these kids while parents are at work, many of who will be key workers i.e. hospitals, buses, trains, food workers, police and so on and so on?  It's can't be the grand parents which is the default setting as these are many of the very people who are in the high risk groups, it will end up being the very same key workers. 


Well done teachers, to help yourselves you've buggered everyone including yourselves. 


Boris and his government are making a total mess if it, telling people to stop going out, stay at home etc etc, before they've put measures in place to stop panic buying.  There's almost no protection for many peoples jobs, take out a loan why don't you.  Many business are already in debt, lets add to it.............................. no they'll just lay people off or force them to take unpaid leave or worse make them redundant!


You couldn't make this up, utter incompetence, we're going to reap years of cuts, we could well see utter chaos in certain areas.           
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 18 March 2020, 05:40:51 PM
 
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Who is going to look after these kids while parents are at work, many of who will be key workers i.e. hospitals, buses, trains, food workers, police and so on and so on?
The schools will remain open but for key workers only.  Key worker has yet to be fully defined.
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Well done teachers, to help yourselves you've buggered everyone including yourselves. 
Chill dude.  This not for the teachers to decide, they will be told what to do.  And don’t forget that being a teacher puts you at an increased risk of catching the virus – though of course our government wants us all to get it anyway. :\


Italy is having it’s worst day yet.  A week ago it’s health service was failing, it will not have got any better.


 
13 new cases in China.  93 in South Korea – these countries are holding it down.
676 so far today in the UK – I do really wonder if we are heading in the right direction. 
Italy is 4207 today
Remember these are just the recorded new cases.


Ach well, off out to the garage to fiddle with the new bike.

 
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 18 March 2020, 05:47:03 PM
A new test is on it's way apparently.A serological test for Covid19 will show if you have had the virus.I'd love to get hold of one.  I keep wondering if that recent cold was Covid19 - particulary considering the Iceland connection. 
It might also help better understand the varying levels of symptons people suffer - or not.
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Post by: fazersharp on 18 March 2020, 06:03:54 PM
I keep wondering if that recent cold was Covid19 - particulary considering the Iceland connection. 
Oh yes that's right they are letting OAP's shop at Iceland 8am to 9am before the young people. Did you get any loo roll. 

Saw some news footage to go with the story and some old woman was carrying 48 loo rolls away  :eek :eek :eek selfish focing old git. Makes you wonder why are we bothering ruining our economy for these people.
 Never has so many sacrificed so much for so few. 
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Post by: YamFazFan on 18 March 2020, 06:07:54 PM
Anyway I strongly suspect BREXIT will be delayed for at least 12mnths.
More like 12 years. Getting Brexit done is the least of our worries now.
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Post by: YamFazFan on 18 March 2020, 06:13:29 PM
Don't hear much from Thunberg/Extinction Rabble now :rolleyes
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Post by: fazersharp on 18 March 2020, 06:19:37 PM
Don't hear much from Thunberg/Extinction Rabble now :rolleyes

 I refer you to my post yesterday

Why don't kids get it. I think it was that angry squirrel Gretta and her climate fanatic handlers, they have released the virus to kill off the generation that she seems to blame and hate.     
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Post by: Dudeofrude on 18 March 2020, 06:20:41 PM
Don't hear much from Thunberg/Extinction Rabble now :rolleyes

Actually she was online the other day spouting on about how even in the face of all this we should still be putting the environment first.... silly little sod 🙄
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Post by: YamFazFan on 18 March 2020, 06:26:41 PM
She ought to be banned from all media.
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Post by: mtread on 18 March 2020, 06:44:24 PM
I still cannot for the life of me understand why people are stockpiling bog rolls  :rolleyes This virus doesn't give you the shits.

Mind you, from Monday we are going to have several million teenage boys confined to their bedrooms. Perhaps now I understand why.
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Post by: fazersharp on 18 March 2020, 06:54:15 PM
Mind you, from Monday we are going to have several million teenage boys confined to their bedrooms. Perhaps now I understand why.
:rollin :rollin
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 18 March 2020, 07:25:52 PM
 
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I still cannot for the life of me understand why people are stockpiling bog rolls  :rolleyes This virus doesn't give you the shits.

I’m avoiding the supermarket just now.  It’s just cuckoo.


Popped into the fishmongers the other day.  He does poultry and stuff also.  They’d cleared him out of chicken and bacon.  The boss is always keen to sell as much everyday as he can.  So looking at the large well stocked fish counter I asked – so what about the fish?  He said he told them it would freeze too, but none of the panic buyers were interested – figures.


He did tell me also that panic crowd had invaded my favourite butchers also. Hmmmm.

 
This can’t go on for much longer can it.  I mean where are they putting it all?


As for bog roll, still got some, then there’s the kitchen roll, some hygienic wipe in the garage (not much left) newspaper, the garden hedge, and failing all that, assuming the boiler keeps working – the shower head.
 
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Post by: Gnasher on 18 March 2020, 07:25:57 PM
The schools will remain open but for key workers only.  Key worker has yet to be fully defined.

They can say what they like, putting into practice is something else.  These kids will be spread over many schools, some may only have 1/2 or a handful others more.  They aren't going to keep them all open, kids will have to be moved and pooled, that isn't easy or possible in practice in some areas, like much of how we got here, all sounds good until you've actually got to do it, with next to nothing and like by Mon! 

Chill dude.  This not for the teachers to decide, they will be told what to do.

Teachers bleating to their unions, unions direct pressure has forced the governments hand.   

And don’t forget that being a teacher puts you at an increased risk of catching the virus – though of course our government wants us all to get it anyway. :\


Yes, so leave the kids in school, they're super spreaders. 

Italy is having it’s worst day yet.  A week ago it’s health service was failing, it will not have got any better.

I think you'll find to large extent one of the reasons Italy is having such a bad time, is their older and high risks groups tend to live at home with their families.  Not like many other counties, in that we have care homes, monitored villages/housing etc it's not apples for apples.  Which is at present our saving grace, as it's not as yet entered these on mass and hopefully it won't.  Locking these places and those at high risk makes perfect sense and that's what should have happened a good while ago.  Not allowing things to carry on for weeks and then forcing the entire population (60 million odd) to lock down to protect these at risk groups, the total melt down of the already in crisis NHS and prevent the possible projected death of half to a quarter million. 

The tail is wagging the dog!

It's all too little too late now, we are all in for a massive life game changer.  All of us are now facing levels of uncertainly and many potential hardship.   


 
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Post by: Gnasher on 18 March 2020, 07:30:43 PM
I still cannot for the life of me understand why people are stockpiling bog rolls  :rolleyes This virus doesn't give you the shits.


I think you're find because some arse posted on Facebook or such like social media, all loo roll was made in China and like sheep many who use these medium believe just about everything that goes on it.   
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Post by: fazersharp on 18 March 2020, 07:54:55 PM
The problem with using anything other than loo roll is that it is designed to pretty much dissolve but the other products are not. We will end up with the treatment plants having to shut down because of breakdowns and blockages then we will have no water.
I saw a tv thing about narrow boating and they said about the loo - " nothing go's down it that has not been through you"     
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 18 March 2020, 08:11:56 PM
I can see you like talking shite Fazersharp :lol
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Post by: john roche on 18 March 2020, 08:32:33 PM
Ignorance is spreading quicker than the virus.

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Post by: Dudeofrude on 18 March 2020, 09:00:36 PM
The problem with using anything other than loo roll is that it is designed to pretty much dissolve but the other products are not. We will end up with the treatment plants having to shut down because of breakdowns and blockages then we will have no water.
I saw a tv thing about narrow boating and they said about the loo - " nothing go's down it that has not been through you"   

It's simple just put it in a bin bag like they do across most of europe. Been to many a country where their sewage system can't handle paper at all and they all have little bins next to the toilets. Doesn't seem like the most civilised or hygienic thing but theres millions of people surviving like that easily enough 🤷‍♂️
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 18 March 2020, 09:11:41 PM
They things fae cleanin yer feet can be handy;
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Post by: fazersharp on 18 March 2020, 09:36:31 PM
Just seen the footage of paddy's day in liverpool. What's the point of all the adults sacrificing their jobs. Maybe they are after an early inheritance from their grandparents they are going to kill
https://metro.co.uk/video/st-patricks-day-revellers-liverpool-chant-f-k-coronavirus-2132490/?ito=vjs-link
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Post by: Dudeofrude on 18 March 2020, 09:45:56 PM
Just seen the footage of paddy's day in liverpool. What's the point of all the adults sacrificing their jobs. Maybe they are after an early inheritance from their grandparents they are going to kill
https://metro.co.uk/video/st-patricks-day-revellers-liverpool-chant-f-k-coronavirus-2132490/?ito=vjs-link

This is the problem... you can take 10000 people, 9990 following the rules but if 10 people do what they want then it fucks it up for the entire rest of um
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Post by: fazersharp on 18 March 2020, 09:48:25 PM
Just seen the footage of paddy's day in liverpool. What's the point of all the adults sacrificing their jobs. Maybe they are after an early inheritance from their grandparents they are going to kill
https://metro.co.uk/video/st-patricks-day-revellers-liverpool-chant-f-k-coronavirus-2132490/?ito=vjs-link

This is the problem... you can take 10000 people, 9990 following the rules but if 10 people do what they want then it fucks it up for the entire rest of um
its going to be mandatory because of the stupid few.
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Post by: fazersharp on 18 March 2020, 09:56:54 PM
Re loo rolls.--  I 've just checked and I have some tinfoil in the kitchen draw and if that runs out then there is always the spatula  :eek
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Post by: mtread on 18 March 2020, 10:13:13 PM
We're in a 2 storey house. Sliding down the bannister works quite well. I assume.
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 18 March 2020, 11:25:45 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETbXmFkX0AkpdjE?format=jpg&name=small)
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Post by: YamFazFan on 19 March 2020, 08:03:18 AM

They're still saying the Olympic Games will go ahead!.


What planet are they on? :rolleyes
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Post by: agricola on 19 March 2020, 08:56:13 AM
They things fae cleanin yer feet can be handy;
(https://seriouslyspain.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/bidet.jpg)


Aye, we've got one o them fancy continental foot washers. I might see if I can wash my arse wi it
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Post by: mtread on 19 March 2020, 09:46:05 AM
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Post by: Dynspud on 19 March 2020, 09:48:19 AM

Nice one Mtread  :lol Ironic that that's "The Italian Job" too  :rollin :rollin :rollin
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Post by: YamFazFan on 19 March 2020, 11:05:48 AM

We're in a 2 storey house. Sliding down the bannister works quite well. I assume.


Just make sure you slow down before you get to the stair post ;) . The NHS is busy enough as it is.
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 19 March 2020, 11:09:58 AM
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Aye, we've got one o them fancy continental foot washers. I might see if I can wash my arse wi it
Just remember to flush it after before doing your feet as usual.
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Post by: fazersharp on 19 March 2020, 12:16:48 PM
I think the economy need to go in to hibernation, no bills no rent no mortage payments and the government just print money to pay every person.     
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Post by: YamFazFan on 19 March 2020, 12:29:42 PM
Just read Michel Barnier has tested positive.
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Post by: fazersharp on 19 March 2020, 04:24:08 PM
It seems the cost to the greater public is fast outweighing the benefit.
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Post by: YamFazFan on 19 March 2020, 05:08:25 PM
Just been in Tesco's on the way home. The usual list, we haven't changed our shopping habits at all.
I'm speechless. Where the foc are they putting it all :eek ???.
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Post by: Grahamm on 19 March 2020, 05:50:01 PM
Don't hear much from Thunberg/Extinction Rabble now :rolleyes

Because they don't need to.

COVID-19 has achieved more and in a short time than anything they could have done: https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/coronavirus-china-greenhouse-gas-emissions-climate-change-a9384346.html (https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/coronavirus-china-greenhouse-gas-emissions-climate-change-a9384346.html)

Of course, as soon as this is all over, no doubt people will go back to being as stupidly short-sighted and selfish as before...
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Post by: Grahamm on 19 March 2020, 05:52:03 PM
looks like the government are going to bow to public pressure again and shut the schools  :rolleyes . They already changed their policy on herd immunity because of the public :rolleyes   

No, because the scientists and epidemiologists TOLD THEM what they should do, but, being rich toffs who don't give a shit about the little people, they just gave massive financial boosts to their mates and ignored everything else until they realised that being responsible for a huge number of deaths would be difficult even for their tame media to blame on Labour...
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Post by: coffee on 19 March 2020, 05:54:35 PM
can someone tell me the point of shutting schools? all I can see happening is everywhere full of kids foccin' about seeing it as an excuse to get out of the house and meet up with their friends and drive everyone crazy!,surely they're better off in school for 7 odd hours,I mean it's not as if they're vulnerable,and most of the teachers are young to middle aged,you could argue that they're in some kind of isolation for a time anyway so that would be a bunch we wouldn't have to worry about for a few hours. ;)
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Post by: fazersharp on 19 March 2020, 06:02:09 PM
can someone tell me the point of shutting schools? all I can see happening is everywhere full of kids foccin' about seeing it as an excuse to get out of the house and meet up with their friends and drive everyone crazy!,surely they're better off in school for 7 odd hours,I mean it's not as if they're vulnerable,and most of the teachers are young to middle aged,you could argue that they're in some kind of isolation for a time anyway so that would be a bunch we wouldn't have to worry about for a few hours. ;)
Think it was pressure from the teachers unions.Again the government has caved in. They were right to keep the kids at school, now even more people will not be able to work.
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Post by: YamFazFan on 19 March 2020, 06:27:55 PM
No, because the scientists and epidemiologists TOLD THEM what they should do, but, being rich toffs who don't give a shit about the little people, they just gave massive financial boosts to their mates and ignored everything else until they realised that being responsible for a huge number of deaths would be difficult even for their tame media to blame on Labour...
You were making it out to be a lot of fuss about nothing in your original post.
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Post by: YamFazFan on 19 March 2020, 06:32:21 PM
Don't hear much from Thunberg/Extinction Rabble now :rolleyes

Because they don't need to.

COVID-19 has achieved more and in a short time than anything they could have done
Yes that is what I was implying Grahamm :groan
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Post by: fazersharp on 19 March 2020, 08:35:07 PM
Just when you need it the most Netflix are reducing the streaming quality, but not the price  :rolleyes
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Post by: BBROWN1664 on 19 March 2020, 09:18:25 PM
Just when you need it the most Netflix are reducing the streaming quality, but not the price  :rolleyes

Thats so you can still watch it. If everyone still got 4k streams they would run out of bandwidth and you would get a lot of buffering.
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Post by: mtread on 19 March 2020, 09:22:07 PM
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Think it was pressure from the teachers unions.
And in France, Italy etc and all those other countries that have shut their schools?
I think not.
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Post by: mtread on 19 March 2020, 09:54:39 PM
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looks like the government are going to bow to public pressure again and shut the schools
Yes and with their usual level of incompetence.
Schools and nurseries kept open for children of 'essential staff'. On Thursday evening they still haven't published a list of 'essential jobs' for a system due to be in operation on Monday morning.
The government is making it up as they go along. No plan and no idea what they are doing
Johnson with his usual 'trust me' bollocks.
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 20 March 2020, 12:05:09 AM
USA running second to Italy for new confirmed cases per day.The USA seems to be taking off.  They have come from nowhere to recording significant cases within 14 days.  14 days ago 14 confirmed cases a day.
Trump blames China.
Today;

China confirmed new cases -   34                     population 1.5 billion
Italy confirmed new cases - 5322                   population 60 million
Usa confirmed new cases -  4577                    population 300 millionUK confirmed new cases -    643
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Post by: Grahamm on 20 March 2020, 12:23:26 AM
You were making it out to be a lot of fuss about nothing in your original post.

I said that the MEDIA SCAREMONGERING was grossly irresponsible!

And I still say that, given the current ridiculous panic buying situation.

What the government needed to do was to listen to the scientists and the experts (but they've "had enough of them"!), instead we've had Blustering Boris floundering around completely out of his depth, making pronouncements about Herd Immunity (which could have resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths) through selected journalists and, only now, are they starting to listen, rather than having the agenda driven by what makes the best headlines.


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Post by: Grahamm on 20 March 2020, 12:26:29 AM
Don't hear much from Thunberg/Extinction Rabble now :rolleyes

Because they don't need to.

COVID-19 has achieved more and in a short time than anything they could have done
Yes that is what I was implying Grahamm :groan

Ah, right, because calling them "Thunberg/Extinction Rabble" with a rolling eyes smiley should have made your implication blatantly obvious...
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Post by: fazersharp on 20 March 2020, 08:09:42 AM
What the government needed to do was to listen to the scientists and the experts
That's exactly what they did when they were-as you say--
making pronouncements about Herd Immunity (which could have resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths)

 But because of public and the media pressure the policy was changed because as you say 
having the agenda driven by what makes the best headlines.

 
only now, are they starting to listen
Yes listen to people like you and not the experts, because as you say  "having the agenda driven by what makes the best headlines." They should of stuck with what the experts said. The government did not make it up on their own - they were advised by scientists but then have to change tact under the umbrella of "the science advice has changed" because of media and public pressure.     
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 20 March 2020, 08:36:38 AM
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Yes listen to people like you and not the experts, because as you say  "having the agenda driven by what makes the best headlines." They should of stuck with what the experts said. The government did not make it up on their own - they were advised by scientists but then have to change tact under the umbrella of "the science advice has changed" because of media and public pressure.   
Nothing to do with 100’s of scientists expressing their horror at their plans then?  Nothing to do with the WHO mauling our governments policy and describing ‘herd immunity’ as a theory. 
 
Nothing to do with the acceleration of the virus in other countries.
 
Meanwhile a manufacturer of precision medical equipment – such as ventilators – rubbished the health secretaries claim they are going to have random manufactures making ventilators.  Companies such as JCB are suddenly going to start turning out ventilators – so we are told.  Yup it’s more make it up as you go along shite from our incompetent, clueless, don’t give a shit Tory government.
 A government led, let us not forget, by a racist, misogynistic, homophobic and bigoted serial liar. 
 


 
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Post by: agricola on 20 March 2020, 09:05:31 AM
and this thread too goes the same way, with the same individuals using it to push their anti govt viewpoints
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Post by: YamFazFan on 20 March 2020, 09:20:36 AM
Yep. I wondered how long it would be before the familiar Boris insult rant made it's appearance :z
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Post by: mtread on 20 March 2020, 09:26:54 AM
Yep. I wondered how long it would be before the familiar Boris Thunberg insult rant made it's appearance.

There you go. Corrected it for you :)
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Post by: YamFazFan on 20 March 2020, 10:24:43 AM

Yep. I wondered how long it would be before the familiar Boris Thunberg insult rant made it's appearance.

There you go. Corrected it for you :)


Eh?. Have I missed something here? :rolleyes
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Post by: Oldgit on 20 March 2020, 11:08:48 AM

we are dealing with a virus here people, and you will be lucky if you do not catch it--simple as.

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Post by: fazersharp on 20 March 2020, 11:12:49 AM

we are dealing with a virus here people, and you will be lucky if you do not catch it--simple as.


The sooner everyone has caught it the sooner we can stop this madness
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Post by: mtread on 20 March 2020, 11:38:14 AM
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The sooner everyone has caught it the sooner we can stop this madness
Well, perhaps not everyone, but I see what you mean.
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Post by: YamFazFan on 20 March 2020, 12:07:37 PM
It would probably benefit some of the panic buyers to go onto short rations for a few weeks judging by the look of most of them in todays paper :rolleyes
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Post by: fazersharp on 20 March 2020, 04:53:15 PM
Schools and nurseries kept open for children of 'essential staff'. On Thursday evening they still haven't published a list of 'essential jobs' for a system due to be in operation on Monday morning.
The list has been published but your union mates are complaining the list is too big. Theses people need to shut up and get onboard. 
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Post by: YamFazFan on 20 March 2020, 05:59:14 PM
 :agree
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Post by: agricola on 20 March 2020, 07:13:18 PM
Ive cancelled my trackday on Monday. MSVT have credited my account so that I can rebook at some point in the future. Just couldnt take the risk as the wife is Type 1, chronic asthmatic, and high blood pressure. With the pubs/clubs etc shutting now, it wont be long before they all stop I think.

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Post by: YamFazFan on 20 March 2020, 07:48:35 PM

I've already got full refunds on 2 hotel stays. Just waiting to see what money I can get back on various pre-paid travel fares.



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Post by: slappy on 20 March 2020, 08:02:23 PM
Phone call from work ( heavy engineering for off shore oil and gas ) today , told not to come in for next two weeks as they have classed me as at a high risk from Covid19, I have asthma, high blood pressure, arrhythmia, and a slightly leaking heart valve.  It will be reviewed every two weeks, getting full  pay at moment but that will only last for four weeks max then SSP rate.
I will be ok for money, got savings and no debt, how people on minimum wage / zero hours jobs are going to manage when all the pubs, restaurants , cafes etc are now closed , every country in the world is going to have massive unemployment for a long time,

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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 20 March 2020, 08:04:31 PM
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Yep. I wondered how long it would be before the familiar Boris insult rant made it's appearance
Just a statement of fact.
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Post by: slappy on 20 March 2020, 08:06:46 PM

I've already got full refunds on 2 hotel stays. Just waiting to see what money I can get back on various pre-paid travel fares.


Same for me and wife, we were meant to be in Madeira this week, got a full refund. Going to a wedding in Ibiza in July , that now looks to be a non starter.
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 20 March 2020, 08:15:05 PM
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Phone call from work ( heavy engineering for off shore oil and gas ) today , told not to come in for next two weeks as they have classed me as at a high risk from Covid19, I have asthma, high blood pressure, arrhythmia, and a slightly leaking heart valve.  It will be reviewed every two weeks, getting full  pay at moment but that will only last for four weeks max then SSP rate.
Take care dude.  Keep a low profile and with luck you'll dodge it.  Scary stuff.

I guess the other thing is, health services and doctors and consultants all round the world are gathering more and more knowledge on this virus, and with luck will get smarter and smarter at dealing with it.  And of course they are putting their own lives on the line.

I heard my local supermarket has had large queues at 7 in the monring for it opening.  Then the scum run in and strip the shelves.  I'm hoping all the supermarkets have restrictions in place now.  I need to get a shop in tommorrow, been avoiding the place all week.  I wish folks would also show a bit of respect for those working in shops, from supermarkets to small stores - they are on the front line too.  We need them.

On the other hand I just might panic buy some whisky, a trolley load should do, just in case you know, - I'll take my credit card. :)

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Post by: YamFazFan on 20 March 2020, 08:36:17 PM
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Yep. I wondered how long it would be before the familiar Boris insult rant made it's appearance
Just a statement of fact.
:z
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Post by: Dynspud on 20 March 2020, 08:55:44 PM
I just watched this.
It's very interesting and quite informative and, to be honest, changed my mind quite a bit about how I feel about the whole situation and how it's being managed:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtN-goy9VOY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtN-goy9VOY)


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Post by: YamFazFan on 20 March 2020, 09:23:15 PM
Everyone should watch that Dynspud :thumbup . Ta for posting.
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 20 March 2020, 09:28:03 PM
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I just watched this.
It's very interesting and quite informative and, to be honest, changed my mind quite a bit about how I feel about the whole situation and how it's being managed:
Yeah that was quite amusing;
On our immune system -
 
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Neutrophiles which are great at killing stuff including ourselves
:lol
On washing hands -
 
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To do it properly wash your hands as if you have just chopped up some jalapenos and want to put in your contacts next.   
:lol
 


 
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Post by: Grahamm on 20 March 2020, 09:49:00 PM
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— The government will step in and pay up to 80 per cent of the wages of anyone furloughed, rather than made redundant.
— Those “unprecedented measures” would kick in within weeks, and the entire scheme should be up and running by the end of April.
— The welfare system will be strengthened, including increasing Universal Credit by £1,000 a year.

So the Tory Government's solution to the problems of COVID-19 is...

... Socialism...!  :rollin :rollin :rollin
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Post by: fazersharp on 20 March 2020, 10:06:20 PM
Everyone should watch that Dynspud :thumbup . Ta for posting.
I actually found it disturbing in a way, cant describe how but - it had the feel of 1940s propaganda cartoons.
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 20 March 2020, 10:13:17 PM
I hear pubs, resturants and gyms and lord knows what else are to close for an expected 12 weeks.
Meanwhile VNA went for a walk today.  Parkled up by the Devil's Beef Tub, which some of you may be familar with (see if you can spot it) and walked into Hart Fell.  Followed the Annadale Way a bit, up over Whitehope Heights, and decided to pop over to Hart Fell.  Cannae catch Covid19 in the hills surely.  Though it was surprisingly busy, I met 6 other folks whilst I was out, and two dogs – two of the them (2 humans and a dog) were tree planting by Hart Fell.  Nice day, but cold.

(http://www.photoecosse.net/fazerforum/P1003154.jpg)
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Post by: YamFazFan on 20 March 2020, 10:17:27 PM
Everyone should watch that Dynspud :thumbup . Ta for posting.
I actually found it disturbing in a way, cant describe how but - it had the feel of 1940s propaganda cartoons.
With the the current movement restrictions and food shortages that's quite appropriate then.
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Post by: YamFazFan on 20 March 2020, 10:24:29 PM
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— The government will step in and pay up to 80 per cent of the wages of anyone furloughed, rather than made redundant.
— Those “unprecedented measures” would kick in within weeks, and the entire scheme should be up and running by the end of April.
— The welfare system will be strengthened, including increasing Universal Credit by £1,000 a year.

So the Tory Government's solution to the problems of COVID-19 is...

... Socialism...!  :rollin :rollin :rollin
Cheap, cheap quip given the circumstances. It's tickled you tho, so at least someone's happy :)
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Post by: fazersharp on 20 March 2020, 10:44:51 PM
isnt it time to relax Sunday opening hours
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Post by: YamFazFan on 20 March 2020, 11:14:49 PM
Can't see them relaxing anything. We'll be lucky if anywhere is still open at all in a few weeks time.
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 20 March 2020, 11:34:04 PM
 So, what is the current policy?  One minute it was herd immunity, now we are heading towards lock down.
 
Johnson, talks about 12 weeks.  12 weeks for what?   That’s about how long it took for China to get it under control – and under control means jumping on it every time it pops up.   Lock downs here – lock downs there.  Until treatments improve and a vaccine becomes widely available.
 
Italy is in lockdown, but the virus is still out of control.  Italy, I think demonstrates how ridiculous the concept of going for herd immunity would be – that is putting aside that we don’t know for how long those recovered would have immunity for. 
 
The USA was a few weeks behind the UK, but that’s all changed, they are about to speed past us in terms of recorded infections per million.  I’m wondering if the USA is gonna be the next Italy.  And they don’t do health care for the masses.
 
One of my concerns now, is that the government might clamp down on travel – I’ll be really peeved if they stop me driving to the hills. 
 
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Post by: vinnyb on 20 March 2020, 11:56:37 PM
 For some, whatever the government do will be wrong but I suppose that's what the opposition do, oppose, but I bet Corbyn's thanking God every day that he didn't win the election, he'd be shitting himself.
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 21 March 2020, 12:11:36 AM
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For some, whatever the government do will be wrong but I suppose that's what the opposition do, oppose, but I bet Corbyn's thanking God every day that he didn't win the election, he'd be shitting himself.
It would be nice to know what their plan is.


And lets be honest - Boris is a fucking idiot. 

 
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 21 March 2020, 12:17:41 AM
 There’s another issue here.  I’ve got a brand bike tucked up in my garage.  It’s yet to turn a wheel on the open road.  I’m itching to get out on her.  I just can’t quite bring myself to take her out on gritted roads.  Gritters are out daily at the mo. 
 
But here’s a thing.  I noted when I was out walking today – well there was a nice blue sky at times but no vapour trails – there are always multiple vapour trails.  This could impact on daily temperatures (as it did in sept 2001) – and keep the gritters out an extra week or two.  Grrr.
 
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Post by: mtread on 21 March 2020, 12:38:04 AM
The film confirms what we already know. The problem with this flu is not how deadly it is. The problem is its rate of infection. Far more infectious than common flu. The world's health services cannot cope with so many cases all at once. If you have it, most people's antibodies will kill it within 2 weeks and you are no longer infectious. But if you've passed it on to a dozen people rather than 1 or 2.....


As to 'we'll turn the tide in 12 weeks'. Well that's pure Cummings. To be written on the side of a bus. Trying to make it look like only he can 'get it done'.
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Post by: coffee on 21 March 2020, 12:46:28 AM
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For some, whatever the government do will be wrong but I suppose that's what the opposition do, oppose, but I bet Corbyn's thanking God every day that he didn't win the election, he'd be shitting himself.
It would be nice to know what their plan is.


And lets be honest - Boris is a fucking idiot.






don't think so,but takes one to know one.
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Post by: vinnyb on 21 March 2020, 12:52:46 AM
 Boris isn't the issue, whoever was leader they would be a 'fucking idiot' for some, purely because they're Conservative.
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Post by: coffee on 21 March 2020, 01:04:31 AM
Don't know enough about politics to argue with you but he seemed pretty sincere in what he was saying,I suppose in his position he can't please everyone n o matter what he does. I'm lost on your remark about him being conservative though, I'd like to be able to chew the fat with you but have never followed politics I know it's ignorance but it's just something that's past me by.
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Post by: YamFazFan on 21 March 2020, 07:40:33 AM
One of my concerns now, is that the government might clamp down on travel – I’ll be really peeved if they stop me driving to the hills.
I bet that's on its way. Give it a week or two.
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Post by: YamFazFan on 21 March 2020, 07:47:06 AM
I bet Corbyn's thanking God every day that he didn't win the election
Totally. I doubt they'll want to win the next one either. The economic fallout from all of this is going to take years to recover from.

At least they can't blame Brexit. On second thoughts, I wouldn't put it past them :rolleyes
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: red98 on 21 March 2020, 08:45:50 AM
mmmm yes ,the economic fallout......we and future generations will be paying for this for years to come,its got to be done and more to get us through these challenging times....its been talked about for a while now but raising the retirement age is almost certain to happen,its in the process of going up to 68 and will soon be 70....i`ve got 13  years to go at the moment, but who knows what the real figure is....another 5 years on top of that wont surprise me....




the virus is going to keep our FAZER`s locked in the garage for the best part of the year, my one breakaway and something i look forward to every year...but its got to be done...


as i work 48/50 hour weeks i dont have time for food shopping in the week so i need to go today,having not ridden my FAZER for a few weeks and not having the best of weeks at work,seeing one overloaded trolley could just push me over the edge...




look after yourselves foccers....
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: darrsi on 21 March 2020, 08:54:45 AM
isnt it time to relax Sunday opening hours


Opening hours of what?
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: fazersharp on 21 March 2020, 09:55:18 AM
isnt it time to relax Sunday opening hours


Opening hours of what?
Food shops - I should of said prompted by the  pictures of queues outside supermarkets.
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: fazersharp on 21 March 2020, 10:16:44 AM
mmmm yes ,the economic fallout......we and future generations will be paying for this for years to come,its got to be done and more to get us through these challenging times...

The whole concept of money becomes almost meaningless when the central banks just press a button and "create" money to use in quantitative easing. If every country is creating money from thin air or "borrowing" in the form of bonds which are created by quantitative easing in the first place then no country is in dept to anyone but themselves and so at the end of all this can just write it off, every country returns to zero - sort of a Pol Pot for the economy, world wide and while we are at it Africa and other countries that are purposely kept in dept will be released.
 There you go I have fixed everything for everyone.       
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: mtread on 21 March 2020, 10:44:40 AM
Yes, you can officially ride your bike  :)


https://www.visordown.com/news/general/can-i-ride-my-motorcycle-during-coronavirus-lockdown?fbclid=IwAR02cOuij49Z__n-JXEwTgpSOeIjM1hrv5Xf3YWVH_OAAvSG8mrae35_LDU (https://www.visordown.com/news/general/can-i-ride-my-motorcycle-during-coronavirus-lockdown?fbclid=IwAR02cOuij49Z__n-JXEwTgpSOeIjM1hrv5Xf3YWVH_OAAvSG8mrae35_LDU)






Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: mtread on 21 March 2020, 10:45:39 AM
But keep away from everybody else

Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: vinnyb on 21 March 2020, 11:34:26 AM
 The shameful panic buying needs to be stopped and if the supermarkets won't do it themselves, there needs to be legislation put into place to prevent it. Vulnerable people are running out of the staples because of the me me me attitude of others, I'd say the few but it's not only a few who are doing it.
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 21 March 2020, 11:36:01 AM
 
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I bet that's on its way. Give it a week or two.

In my case it would achieve nothing.  The chances of catching Covid19 on a hill walk are – umm – nill. 
 
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Post by: Gnasher on 21 March 2020, 11:41:03 AM
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I bet that's on its way. Give it a week or two.

In my case it would achieve nothing.  The chances of catching Covid19 on a hill walk are – umm – nill.


Not if you're down wind of someone who's got it and coughing  :eek  obviously it does depend on the distance, but yes very low. 
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 21 March 2020, 11:49:30 AM
 
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The shameful panic buying needs to be stopped and if the supermarkets won't do it themselves, there needs to be legislation put into place to prevent it. Vulnerable people are running out of the staples because of the me me me attitude of others, I'd say the few but it's not only a few who are doing it.
Totally agree bud. 



Went to the supermarket today (I think I last time was Sunday or Monday).  Pretty much got what I needed.  Plenty of fruit and veg available once more.  The chicken had been devasted – I wanted a box of boneless thighs – but I ended up with overpriced organic breasts.  Plenty of other meats.  No bog roll, but I don’t need any.  There’s a lack of canned food.  I got three tins baked beans, three tins of soup, three tins ravioli (only cos it was on offer 3 for 2 quid or something) At the checkout I had to hand back three of my tins – only two of any tinned items allowed.  A bit weird as I would have grabbed a 4 pack of baked beans - umm had there been any.


Oh Whisky – I need to got back for whisky – not allowed to sell booze in the morning.  But I’m sorted now for the best part of a week.


Fishmonger told me from Monday – only two in the shop at any one time, no cash, card payment only.  No smoked bacon, only unsmoked – I think he’s keeping it for himself.
 
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 21 March 2020, 11:57:06 AM
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Boris isn't the issue, whoever was leader they would be a 'fucking idiot' for some, purely because they're Conservative.
 
Come on.  Boris is a racist, bigoted, homophobic, misogynistic, serial liar.  Oh and an idiot.  I’m not name calling.  I’m just stating fact.  He’s the man who got behind BREXIT, not because he thought it was a good idea (which it plainly is not) but he thought it would further his political career (not half!)


 
Donald Trump? Boris Johnson?  We are facing a major global crisis, the biggest crises for the UK since the second world war.  The USA is still the biggest most influential economy in the world, and you expect me to be overjoyed that two complete utter fucking fannies are in charge.
 
 
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 21 March 2020, 12:01:39 PM
 
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Not if you're down wind of someone who's got it and coughing  :eek  obviously it does depend on the distance, but yes very low.
I saw 6 people and two dogs on the hills yesterday.  Two of them were working – they had a dog with them.  According to my doofer I walked just over ten miles.  I drove to the excellent chippie in Biggar afterwards – in 5 minutes I interacted with several times the number of people I’d seen all day. 
 
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: vinnyb on 21 March 2020, 12:03:47 PM
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Boris isn't the issue, whoever was leader they would be a 'fucking idiot' for some, purely because they're Conservative.
 
Come on.  Boris is a racist, bigoted, homophobic, misogynistic, serial liar.  Oh and an idiot.  I’m not name calling.  I’m just stating fact.  He’s the man who got behind BREXIT, not because he thought it was a good idea (which it plainly is not) but he thought it would further his political career (not half!)


 
Donald Trump? Boris Johnson?  We are facing a major global crisis, the biggest crises for the UK since the second world war.  The USA is still the biggest most influential economy in the world, and you expect me to be overjoyed that two complete utter fucking fannies are in charge.

  I imagine others would have exactly the same opinion if it were Jeremy Corbyn and Hilary Clinton.
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: fazersharp on 21 March 2020, 12:04:38 PM
I visited 4 lidl in my area as I was after a particular item that they had on offer couple of weeks ago in the "middle of lidl" and I missed it. But I did notice there were less or even no usual food suspects on the shelves in the lidl's in the "less affluent" areas.
same last night in Morrisons in a certain area. No chicken at all but loads and loads of fresh fish, what is it with these people.
 Funny they actually has a shelf of pasta - Penne and people were on their phones " its that tube stuff, will that be ok"  :rollin       
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: agricola on 21 March 2020, 12:21:24 PM
My local council was forced to create a dispersal order yesterday, as they had got wind of a party/gathering of utter complete young twats, in a large public car park. I now know they simply went elsewhere and partied in someones street. The local pub was full to bursting last night. Todays young uns have no idea of social responsibility, and there is a significant percentage who are going to use the situation to exploit/swindle/rob both vulnerable people and the govts loan/payment schemes. Now is the time to bring forward deterrents and punishments in order to maintain control before the looting starts. This is not the nation it was decades ago
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: YamFazFan on 21 March 2020, 12:22:38 PM
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Boris isn't the issue, whoever was leader they would be a 'fucking idiot' for some, purely because they're Conservative.
 
Come on.  Boris is a racist, bigoted, homophobic, misogynistic, serial liar.  Oh and an idiot.  I’m not name calling.  I’m just stating fact.  He’s the man who got behind BREXIT, not because he thought it was a good idea (which it plainly is not) but he thought it would further his political career (not half!)


 
Donald Trump? Boris Johnson?  We are facing a major global crisis, the biggest crises for the UK since the second world war.  The USA is still the biggest most influential economy in the world, and you expect me to be overjoyed that two complete utter fucking fannies are in charge.

  I imagine others would have exactly the same opinion if it were Jeremy Corbyn and Hilary Clinton.
Opinion??. What's 'Opinion'??. There's no such thing. It's VNA or the highway :deal
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: Grahamm on 21 March 2020, 12:24:12 PM
So the Tory Government's solution to the problems of COVID-19 is...

... Socialism...!  :rollin :rollin :rollin
Cheap, cheap quip given the circumstances. It's tickled you tho, so at least someone's happy :)

It's not a "quip" it's a foccing fact!

The utter hypocrisy of Tory Austerity and the fact that it was a *political choice* has now been laid bare.

No "magic money tree"? There's a foccing Magic Money FOREST all of a sudden.
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: YamFazFan on 21 March 2020, 12:30:27 PM
My local council was forced to create a dispersal order yesterday, as they had got wind of a party/gathering of utter complete young twats, in a large public car park. I now know they simply went elsewhere and partied in someones street. The local pub was full to bursting last night. Todays young uns have no idea of social responsibility, and there is a significant percentage who are going to use the situation to exploit/swindle/rob both vulnerable people and the govts loan/payment schemes. Now is the time to bring forward deterrents and punishments in order to maintain control before the looting starts. This is not the nation it was decades ago
Not long ago they were all bawling and wailing about the environment and bunking off school every Friday to save the planet from 'climate change'.

You don't appear to hear a peep out of them regarding this global crisis. I wonder why? :rolleyes
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: fazersharp on 21 March 2020, 12:30:43 PM
This is not the nation it was decades ago
No because its full of limp, woke, entitled, kids that have been brainwashed by the left dominated education system. Perhaps this whole virus thing will give them a kick up the arse they need. 
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 21 March 2020, 12:53:38 PM
 
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I imagine others would have exactly the same opinion if it were Jeremy Corbyn and Hilary Clinton.
They are welcome to their opinion.  Everybody is entitled to opinion, but I am afraid facts will always be facts.  :D
 
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: Gnasher on 21 March 2020, 12:54:03 PM
The shameful panic buying needs to be stopped and if the supermarkets won't do it themselves, there needs to be legislation put into place to prevent it. Vulnerable people are running out of the staples because of the me me me attitude of others, I'd say the few but it's not only a few who are doing it.


You couldn't be more right mate.  The blame sits squarely with the way the government announced, the stay at/work from home, shut schools, pubs, shops, hotels etc before they'd put in place any measures to deal with the inevitable panic that would happen.  I've got little doubt, the same types are this morning buying up all the beer/wine etc after yesterdays snap directive to shut all the pubs/bars/restaurants.  They've got little in the way of a planned, phased strategy regardless of the fact they're saying they have.  Reason years of cut's, cuts in everything, screwing every penny out of everything, making money out of everything (contractors), minimal resource and staff, which prevents any snap reaction to almost anything, let alone anything on this scale.  If this was a year or so down the line it would be even worse, as we still have some reasonable civil servants left.  Luckily Boris and Cummings haven't had the time to clear out any opposition and put in the yes men/women.

Like much of what they've been doing this week it demonstrates there's little forward planning going on, they're just being reactive rather than proactive, the likes of Cummings can't deal with this sort of thing.  They're are to a large extent being forced to change/bring in measures by pressure from unions/bodies and public opinion, Mon/Tues it's a loan, statutory sick pay, or nothing, renters nothing by Fri it's government will pay 80% of salaries for those laid off, renters/self employed will now get extra help, which still fulls short. Shut schools, then who's going to look after key workers kids, next day oh schools will stay open for them, with no idea of how!  Still they're are trying to do it as cheap as possible and to a great extend forced to by how bad things are within government/local authorities because of years of their cuts.  I'd also question the ability of HMRC/DWP etc to deliver these grants/loans/benefits in the time scales required, they simply don't have the staff and moving/training staff takes time, weeks at best and they'll be robbing staff from elsewhere. 

Now that they've left things too late, implemented measures in the way the have, they have little choice but to pay, or lose control.  Faced with millions out of work/no money and the total collapse of the economy within weeks if they don't and be out of power and god knows what would happen.

Keep an eye on the US, they're heading for a catastrophe, possibly 10 of millions are going to sink, they have no real system for healthcare or benefits.  Just look how they've dealt with people effected by other natural disasters!  Trump is an idiot, surrounded by yes men/woman and all the rednecks won't be stockpiling food, it will be guns and ammo, to defend their plot/house, I kid you not!

I mate of mine told mine who lives in the US, told me yesterday over 13 million registered for unemployment this week  :eek Trump the bubble is about to burst! 

I think it's fair to say we're all in for major life changes short term, long term hopefully changes that will prevent this happening again, by getting rid of profit in everything and above everything!   Lets hope  :rolleyes         
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: YamFazFan on 21 March 2020, 01:12:49 PM
So the Tory Government's solution to the problems of COVID-19 is...

... Socialism...!  :rollin :rollin :rollin
Cheap, cheap quip given the circumstances. It's tickled you tho, so at least someone's happy :)

It's not a "quip" it's a foccing fact!

The utter hypocrisy of Tory Austerity and the fact that it was a *political choice* has now been laid bare.

No "magic money tree"? There's a foccing Magic Money FOREST all of a sudden.
Like I say, it's chuffed you to bits. The Germans have a term for it. Schadenfreude.
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: YamFazFan on 21 March 2020, 01:17:28 PM
You couldn't be more right mate.  The blame sits squarely with the way the government announced, the stay at/work from home, shut schools, pubs, shops, hotels etc before they'd put in place any measures to deal with the inevitable panic that would happen.  I've got little doubt, the same types are this morning buying up all the beer/wine etc after yesterdays snap directive to shut all the pubs/bars/restaurants.  They've got little in the way of a planned, phased strategy regardless of the fact they're saying they have.  Reason years of cut's, cuts in everything, screwing every penny out of everything, making money out of everything (contractors), minimal resource and staff, which prevents any snap reaction to almost anything, let alone anything on this scale.  If this was a year or so down the line it would be even worse, as we still have some reasonable civil servants left.  Luckily Boris and Cummings haven't had the time to clear out any opposition and put in the yes men/women.

Like much of what they've been doing this week it demonstrates there's little forward planning going on, they're just being reactive rather than proactive, the likes of Cummings can't deal with this sort of thing.  They're are to a large extent being forced to change/bring in measures by pressure from unions/bodies and public opinion, Mon/Tues it's a loan, statutory sick pay, or nothing, renters nothing by Fri it's government will pay 80% of salaries for those laid off, renters/self employed will now get extra help, which still fulls short. Shut schools, then who's going to look after key workers kids, next day oh schools will stay open for them, with no idea of how!  Still they're are trying to do it as cheap as possible and to a great extend forced to by how bad things are within government/local authorities because of years of their cuts.  I'd also question the ability of HMRC/DWP etc to deliver these grants/loans/benefits in the time scales required, they simply don't have the staff and moving/training staff takes time, weeks at best and they'll be robbing staff from elsewhere. 

Now that they've left things too late, implemented measures in the way the have, they have little choice but to pay, or lose control.  Faced with millions out of work/no money and the total collapse of the economy within weeks if they don't and be out of power and god knows what would happen.

Keep an eye on the US, they're heading for a catastrophe, possibly 10 of millions are going to sink, they have no real system for healthcare or benefits.  Just look how they've dealt with people effected by other natural disasters!  Trump is an idiot, surrounded by yes men/woman and all the rednecks won't be stockpiling food, it will be guns and ammo, to defend their plot/house, I kid you not!

I mate of mine told mine who lives in the US, told me yesterday over 13 million registered for unemployment this week  :eek Trump the bubble is about to burst! 

I think it's fair to say we're all in for major life changes short term, long term hopefully changes that will prevent this happening again, by getting rid of profit in everything and above everything!   Lets hope  :rolleyes         
One thing we're clearly not short of at this moment in time is armchair experts :rolleyes
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: YamFazFan on 21 March 2020, 01:21:26 PM
They are welcome to their opinion.  Everybody is entitled to opinion
Very generous of you :thumbup
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: vinnyb on 21 March 2020, 01:24:49 PM
They are welcome to their opinion.  Everybody is entitled to opinion
Very generous of you :thumbup

  Yeah, but he doesn't mean it :lol
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: YamFazFan on 21 March 2020, 01:35:20 PM

They are welcome to their opinion.  Everybody is entitled to opinion
Very generous of you :thumbup

  Yeah, but he doesn't mean it :lol


I know mate. Not for one second ;)
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: darrsi on 21 March 2020, 01:35:37 PM
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Boris isn't the issue, whoever was leader they would be a 'fucking idiot' for some, purely because they're Conservative.
 
Come on.  Boris is a racist, bigoted, homophobic, misogynistic, serial liar.  Oh and an idiot.  I’m not name calling.  I’m just stating fact.  He’s the man who got behind BREXIT, not because he thought it was a good idea (which it plainly is not) but he thought it would further his political career (not half!)


 
Donald Trump? Boris Johnson?  We are facing a major global crisis, the biggest crises for the UK since the second world war.  The USA is still the biggest most influential economy in the world, and you expect me to be overjoyed that two complete utter fucking fannies are in charge.


You really are a complete and utter insufferable wanker!


I'm not name calling though......
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: vinnyb on 21 March 2020, 01:39:10 PM
You couldn't be more right mate.  The blame sits squarely with the way the government announced, the stay at/work from home, shut schools, pubs, shops, hotels etc before they'd put in place any measures to deal with the inevitable panic that would happen.  I've got little doubt, the same types are this morning buying up all the beer/wine etc after yesterdays snap directive to shut all the pubs/bars/restaurants.  They've got little in the way of a planned, phased strategy regardless of the fact they're saying they have.  Reason years of cut's, cuts in everything, screwing every penny out of everything, making money out of everything (contractors), minimal resource and staff, which prevents any snap reaction to almost anything, let alone anything on this scale.  If this was a year or so down the line it would be even worse, as we still have some reasonable civil servants left.  Luckily Boris and Cummings haven't had the time to clear out any opposition and put in the yes men/women.

Like much of what they've been doing this week it demonstrates there's little forward planning going on, they're just being reactive rather than proactive, the likes of Cummings can't deal with this sort of thing.  They're are to a large extent being forced to change/bring in measures by pressure from unions/bodies and public opinion, Mon/Tues it's a loan, statutory sick pay, or nothing, renters nothing by Fri it's government will pay 80% of salaries for those laid off, renters/self employed will now get extra help, which still fulls short. Shut schools, then who's going to look after key workers kids, next day oh schools will stay open for them, with no idea of how!  Still they're are trying to do it as cheap as possible and to a great extend forced to by how bad things are within government/local authorities because of years of their cuts.  I'd also question the ability of HMRC/DWP etc to deliver these grants/loans/benefits in the time scales required, they simply don't have the staff and moving/training staff takes time, weeks at best and they'll be robbing staff from elsewhere. 

Now that they've left things too late, implemented measures in the way the have, they have little choice but to pay, or lose control.  Faced with millions out of work/no money and the total collapse of the economy within weeks if they don't and be out of power and god knows what would happen.

Keep an eye on the US, they're heading for a catastrophe, possibly 10 of millions are going to sink, they have no real system for healthcare or benefits.  Just look how they've dealt with people effected by other natural disasters!  Trump is an idiot, surrounded by yes men/woman and all the rednecks won't be stockpiling food, it will be guns and ammo, to defend their plot/house, I kid you not!

I mate of mine told mine who lives in the US, told me yesterday over 13 million registered for unemployment this week  :eek Trump the bubble is about to burst! 

I think it's fair to say we're all in for major life changes short term, long term hopefully changes that will prevent this happening again, by getting rid of profit in everything and above everything!   Lets hope  :rolleyes         
One thing we're clearly not short of at this moment in time is armchair experts :rolleyes

  I wonder what's happening in the parallel universe where labour won the election, do we think that they're handling the crisis any better there?
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: Gnasher on 21 March 2020, 01:41:14 PM
One thing we're clearly not short of at this moment in time is armchair experts :rolleyes




Cap fits, wear it springs to mind, and as already mentioned facts is facts.  Oh and I don't sit in arm chairs either  :rollin :rollin :rollin



All joking aside, regardless of your views or leanings, this is a giant shit sandwich and we are all going to have to take a bite.  Just don't lick your lips my friend  :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :D 
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Post by: mtread on 21 March 2020, 01:44:03 PM
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Whisky – I need to got back for whisky
You'll be lucky. After the pubs shutting today, the supermarket booze shelves will be empty  :eek
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Post by: Gnasher on 21 March 2020, 01:46:38 PM
  I wonder what's happening in the parallel universe where labour won the election, do we think that they're handling the crisis any better there?


Labour....... did I mention any political party..................errr nope.  Guilty conscience by chance?  It's all them facts again, they do kinda hurt don't they :'( :'( :'( :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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Post by: mtread on 21 March 2020, 01:46:56 PM
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I wonder what's happening in the parallel universe where labour won the election, do we think that they're handling the crisis any better there?
Well, this government are doing a very good job....... doing exactly what the Labour Party are telling them to do.  :lol
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Post by: Gnasher on 21 March 2020, 01:48:45 PM
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I wonder what's happening in the parallel universe where labour won the election, do we think that they're handling the crisis any better there?
Well, this government are doing a very good job....... doing exactly what the Labour Party are telling them to do.  :lol


 :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 21 March 2020, 01:57:24 PM
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You'll be lucky. After the pubs shutting today, the supermarket booze shelves will be empty  ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/shocked.gif[/url])

Foc, surely no - people won't panic buy whisky - will they? :eek   Foc it, I'm off oot tae grab a dozen bottles of Black Grouse.

   
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: vinnyb on 21 March 2020, 01:58:21 PM
  I wonder what's happening in the parallel universe where labour won the election, do we think that they're handling the crisis any better there?



Labour....... did I mention any political party..................errr nope.  Guilty conscience by chance?  It's all them facts again, they do kinda hurt don't they :'( :'( :'( :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin


  Err.. in the first line of your post you mentioned the government and then went on to explain all the stuff they'd done wrong so, yes you did.
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: darrsi on 21 March 2020, 02:02:17 PM
 :lol

Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: YamFazFan on 21 March 2020, 02:05:52 PM

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Boris isn't the issue, whoever was leader they would be a 'fucking idiot' for some, purely because they're Conservative.
 
Come on.  Boris is a racist, bigoted, homophobic, misogynistic, serial liar.  Oh and an idiot.  I’m not name calling.  I’m just stating fact.  He’s the man who got behind BREXIT, not because he thought it was a good idea (which it plainly is not) but he thought it would further his political career (not half!)


 
Donald Trump? Boris Johnson?  We are facing a major global crisis, the biggest crises for the UK since the second world war.  The USA is still the biggest most influential economy in the world, and you expect me to be overjoyed that two complete utter fucking fannies are in charge.


You really are a complete and utter insufferable wanker!


I'm not name calling though......


 :rollin :rollin :rollin Legend post :lol
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: mtread on 21 March 2020, 02:06:45 PM
Perhaps some people need to understand the facts :rolleyes


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51977363 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51977363)


Rather than just posting shite.....
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: darrsi on 21 March 2020, 02:11:24 PM
Perhaps some people need to understand the facts :rolleyes


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51977363 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51977363)


Rather than just posting shite.....


Perhaps some people need to understand humour.....for a change.
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: YamFazFan on 21 March 2020, 02:12:15 PM


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Boris isn't the issue, whoever was leader they would be a 'fucking idiot' for some, purely because they're Conservative.
 
Come on.  Boris is a racist, bigoted, homophobic, misogynistic, serial liar.  Oh and an idiot.  I’m not name calling.  I’m just stating fact.  He’s the man who got behind BREXIT, not because he thought it was a good idea (which it plainly is not) but he thought it would further his political career (not half!)


 
Donald Trump? Boris Johnson?  We are facing a major global crisis, the biggest crises for the UK since the second world war.  The USA is still the biggest most influential economy in the world, and you expect me to be overjoyed that two complete utter fucking fannies are in charge.


You really are a complete and utter insufferable wanker!


I'm not name calling though......


 :rollin :rollin :rollin Legend post :lol


...(the darrsi bit, not the VNA tripe ;) )
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: Gnasher on 21 March 2020, 02:35:42 PM
  I wonder what's happening in the parallel universe where labour won the election, do we think that they're handling the crisis any better there?



Labour....... did I mention any political party..................errr nope.  Guilty conscience by chance?  It's all them facts again, they do kinda hurt don't they :'( :'( :'( :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin


  Err.. in the first line of your post you mentioned the government and then went on to explain all the stuff they'd done wrong so, yes you did.


Nope.  Just says government and what is going on right now.  It's got nothing to do with your flippant attempt to justify the current government actions right now, by assuming I'm a Labour supporter or Labour could/would they do any better, that's all guess work, subjective and pointless.


My comments are based on what has and is happening right now, with this current government, not in a reality world somewhere but the hear and now.  While we've been exchanging views, yet more evidence of how this current government is making a mess of things, they're now pleading with people to shop responsibly.  These idiots won't because they don't trust what they are being told and act like sheep, just following along.  I'd also mention this isn't new WW2 rationing, oil crisis, ring any bells!  If the government had thought the whole thing through before this weeks roll out of measures and had sense to know they'd be panic buying, they'd have put all the corrective measures in place before announcing them.  But no they've continued to roll out measures all week and think about the consequences later, they're are slowly but surely loosing control and unless someone gets a grip, regardless of political persuasion, we're heading for a melt down.   :rolleyes :'(

The current government is way out of it's depth, career politicians, with little or no real world experience, lead by the likes of Cummings a non elected geek :rolleyes 

 
   


   
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: Gnasher on 21 March 2020, 02:37:12 PM
:lol


 :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: fazersharp on 21 March 2020, 02:39:34 PM
Foc, surely no - people won't panic buy whisky - will they? :eek   Foc it, I'm off oot tae grab a dozen bottles of Black Goruse.
 
The very essence of and a perfect example of -------- panic buying.  :rolleyes
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 21 March 2020, 03:11:56 PM
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Perhaps some people need to understand humour.....for a change.
Oh foc me - ya fud :lol
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 21 March 2020, 03:15:59 PM
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The very essence of and a perfect example of -------- panic buying.  ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/rolleyes.gif[/url])


Look I ah can go withoot food - ah can go withoot toilet paper - I'll do fine withoot hand sanitiser - but whisky :eek
A man won't survive long withoot whisky.
 
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 21 March 2020, 03:20:07 PM
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Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: YamFazFan on 21 March 2020, 03:20:37 PM

  I wonder what's happening in the parallel universe where labour won the election, do we think that they're handling the crisis any better there?


Labour....... did I mention any political party..................errr nope.  Guilty conscience by chance?  It's all them facts again, they do kinda hurt don't they :'( :'( :'( :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin


Grahamm does that too. He spends half his time on here running down the Conservative government and defending Corbyn/Labour, then flings his arms up in indignation when you dare to suggest he's a Labour supporter :lol .


Why so coy about it fellas?.
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: YamFazFan on 21 March 2020, 03:24:05 PM

:lol


 :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin


Too late for that now ;) :lol
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Post by: vinnyb on 21 March 2020, 03:27:12 PM
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You'll be lucky. After the pubs shutting today, the supermarket booze shelves will be empty  ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/shocked.gif[/url])

Foc, surely no - people won't panic buy whisky - will they? :eek   Foc it, I'm off oot tae grab a dozen bottles of Black Goruse.

 


  Never heard of that one, is it anything like Black Grouse? If so at a time like this there are better whiskies that that. Penderyn is really nice. Have you tried it?
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 21 March 2020, 03:36:33 PM
 
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Never heard of that one, is it anything like Black Grouse? If so at a time like this there are better whiskies that that. Penderyn is really nice. Have you tried it?

Sorry Black Grouse – I think now called Famous Grouse Smokey Black.  It’s excellent, absolutely first class, it’s very similar to Johnnie Walker Black Label.  And at the mo it’s 15 quid a bottle in Morrisons – a steal.
 
Welsh whisky?  Hmmmm.
 
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: Gnasher on 21 March 2020, 03:56:27 PM

Grahamm does that too. He spends half his time on here running down the Conservative government and defending Corbyn/Labour, then flings his arms up in indignation when you dare to suggest he's a Labour supporter :lol .


Why so coy about it fellas?.


I'm not Graham. 

I couldn't careless who was screwing up, on something as game changing as this will no doubt turn out to be.  I'd still be saying what I'm saying as it happens to be true, my political persuasion got naff all to do with it.  This isn't about scoring points, this situation has the potential to seriously effect every bodies lives not just short but long term, it's not a game and we go home disappointed and carry on.  If they don't get a grip very soon, for some there will be no tomorrow and for the many hardship like we've not seen in decades.

Politics has little or no place now, as it didn't when Churchill took over from Chamberlain in 1940 with his coalition government.  We need people who can implement , inspire lead and get the job done, very few of the current government or cabinet can.

They're out of their depth and screwing right up.
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: YamFazFan on 21 March 2020, 04:50:57 PM
my political persuasion got naff all to do with it.  This isn't about scoring points
Try telling VNA and Grahamm that. They've done little else in this thread.
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: mtread on 21 March 2020, 06:07:50 PM
Out for a ride this afternoon. Usually very busy Saturday afternoon.  Hardly any traffic, except lots of bikes 'isolating' :)


Make the most of it!
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: darrsi on 21 March 2020, 06:22:01 PM
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Perhaps some people need to understand humour.....for a change.
Oh foc me - ya fud :lol


Name calling AGAIN?
Such a fucking hypocrite.  :groan
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 21 March 2020, 06:35:31 PM
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Out for a ride this afternoon. Usually very busy Saturday afternoon.  Hardly any traffic, except lots of bikes 'isolating' ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/smile.gif[/url])

 Can’t bring myself to take the R1250R out.  Roads are just coated in grit and salt round here.  The Fazer is neither insured or taxed at the mo. 
 
Good hill forecast for the borders tomorrow, but I got a fella coming to do me a quote for ma fence.  Darn it.  Mountain wind speeds picking up for Monday and Tuesday.
 
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Post by: YamFazFan on 21 March 2020, 07:10:44 PM
Out for a ride this afternoon. Usually very busy Saturday afternoon.  Hardly any traffic, except lots of bikes 'isolating' :)


Make the most of it!
+1. Loads of bikes out round this way too. Also seemed to be a lot of sports cars too.
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: YamFazFan on 21 March 2020, 07:19:06 PM
Anyone heard if there's going to be any special allowances made regarding MOT requirement?.
What happens if your MOT is due and you're required to self-isolate or if we have a blanket ban on anything other than essential movement?.
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: darrsi on 21 March 2020, 08:26:17 PM
Anyone heard if there's going to be any special allowances made regarding MOT requirement?.
What happens if your MOT is due and you're required to self-isolate or if we have a blanket ban on anything other than essential movement?.


Doesn't appear to be any info about bikes at all about this scenario that i can find.
If things get really bad the chances are the MOT stations will be closed anyway?
Maybe ask where you have yours tested and see if they have an answer if you need it soon, although don't forget you can have it tested a month before the expiry date.
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: Gnasher on 21 March 2020, 08:32:11 PM
If required we'll follow a similar line to recent events in Northern Ireland.
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Post by: YamFazFan on 21 March 2020, 09:05:47 PM

Fazer not due MOT until September, but number 1 car requires first MOT in June.


You start thinking further ahead than usual to all these things now don't you.
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: BBROWN1664 on 21 March 2020, 09:06:27 PM
Truck MOTs are suspended at the moment with VOSA giving them 3 months exemption if the MOT is due.

If you are self isolating though, you dont need one you just get it done when your out of isolation :pokefun
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: darrsi on 21 March 2020, 09:22:47 PM

Fazer not due MOT until September, but number 1 car requires first MOT in June.


You start thinking further ahead than usual to all these things now don't you.


There are services available as well to have your car collected, MOT'd, then dropped back to you if it's really necessary.
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 21 March 2020, 10:05:01 PM
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Quote from: Gnasher on Today at 03:56:27 PM
 
    my political persuasion got naff all to do with it.  This isn't about scoring points
 
Try telling VNA and Grahamm that. They've done little else in this thread.

Look what really bothers me is our government seems to be in orbit round about the moon.


First we had the ‘herd immunity’ plan – which suddenly they have stopped talking about – probably cos eventually they listened to the experts that told them it was total bollocks.

 
Now we have their major financial package to keep people and businesses afloat.  I broadly welcome this but with one major concern.  Johnson is talking about having Covid19 done in three months.  12 weeks he kept saying.  But virologists are telling us we will be in crises for at least 18mnths.  Note - at least.



I also listened to a senior NHS consultant on the radio tonight who has self-isolated when asked about returning to work once he has recovered and has immunity.  He said – "immunity, really?  That’s a nice idea."


Another virologist was slating plans to allow NHS workers and pensioners exclusive access to supermarkets between 7 and 8am.  She stated it was madness, as a NHS worker herself, she pointed out that NHS staff will have the highest rates of infection of any group, many will be working all day with Covid19 – and the last thing they should be doing is going round a supermarket full of pensioners.  She went on, why plan to get the most infected group into a supermarket at the same time as the most vulnerable group.


So no it’s not about scoring points.  I am genuinely and seriously concerned about the basic competence of our government.
 
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Post by: YamFazFan on 21 March 2020, 10:41:56 PM

I'm genuinely and seriously concerned about the basic competence of the general public who have been told to avoid mass gathering/close contact.


Have you seen some of the media coverage today of those idiots up North?
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 21 March 2020, 11:17:05 PM
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Have you seen some of the media coverage today of those idiots up North?
You mean all the idiots in campervans heading to the highlands?
People are being asked not to head to holiday homes and not to travel.  The tourism indistry in the highlands has largely shut down.  I was hoping to hire a holiday cottage soon - but at the mo that's on hold - no longer an option right now.

It's increasingly looking as if I'll need to stick to walking around the local hills.(bummer)  Travelling I guess may mean not using my car to get to hills.
Likewise going for a spin on the bike.
Will keep checking the mountain rescue advice and hill walking sites.  We just have to follow government advice.

Experts on the radio saying it is very likely we are about to face a full scale emergency similar to Italy within weeks.
 
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: vinnyb on 21 March 2020, 11:22:00 PM
 There were traffic jams today, in Snowdonia and hundred of people out for a stroll. Communal social distancing?
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: mtread on 22 March 2020, 12:18:07 AM
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Have you seen some of the media coverage today of those idiots up North?
Also all those idiots heading to their second homes in Southwold and Cornwall etc. Not only bringing their infection from the London hot-spot, but buying up all the groceries so the locals are left short.
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: darrsi on 22 March 2020, 04:50:16 AM
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Have you seen some of the media coverage today of those idiots up North?
Also all those idiots heading to their second homes in Southwold and Cornwall etc. Not only bringing their infection from the London hot-spot, but buying up all the groceries so the locals are left short.


Oh dear, imagine that. People travelling to their own homes, then selfishly boosting the economy by buying things from the shops, which will send the locals into a downward spiral because obviously the bad Londoners would get priority over spending their hard earned cash before them?
In fact i think you're showing a perfect example of Xenophobia, as VNA often calls it.
You don't half talk some bollocks.  :rolleyes
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: YamFazFan on 22 March 2020, 09:18:13 AM
Another virologist was slating plans to allow NHS workers and pensioners exclusive access to supermarkets between 7 and 8am.  She stated it was madness, as a NHS worker herself, she pointed out that NHS staff will have the highest rates of infection of any group, many will be working all day with Covid19 – and the last thing they should be doing is going round a supermarket full of pensioners.  She went on, why plan to get the most infected group into a supermarket at the same time as the most vulnerable group.
I've had an email from Sainsbury's regarding this issue.
They're going to allow NHS & Social Care workers in to shop half an hour before normal store opening time and then the elderly, disabled and carer customers exclusive access for the first hour of normal time.
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: fazersharp on 22 March 2020, 10:29:22 AM

 you're showing a perfect example of Xenophobia, as VNA often calls it.
 
Mike- Drop  :lol
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: YamFazFan on 22 March 2020, 10:43:39 AM
One thing we're clearly not short of at this moment in time is armchair experts :rolleyes




Cap fits, wear it springs to mind
Good luck finding a single post where I've done anything other than suggest people follow the official expert advice or have come up with alternative suggestions that contradict that expert advice :)
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: fazersharp on 22 March 2020, 10:44:04 AM
First we had the ‘herd immunity’ plan – which suddenly they have stopped talking about – probably cos eventually they listened to the experts that told them it was total bollocks.
It was the experts that told them that for our country herd immunity would work. Borris didnt make it up all by himself.
Johnson is talking about having Covid19 done in three months.  12 weeks he kept saying.  But virologists are telling us we will be in crises for at least 18mnths. 
It would be a stupid for the PM to stand up and say it will go on for 2 years. But 3 months gives people hope and an incentive to isolate but if he came right out and said 2 years stocks would crash and people would not bother isolating.   
I also listened to a senior NHS consultant on the radio tonight who has self-isolated when asked about returning to work once he has recovered and has immunity.  He said – "immunity, really?  That’s a nice idea."
 
Immunity may be one thing but perhaps harder to catch and harder to pass on and less symptoms. You will have the antibodies. Being a self confessed armchair expert, Dr Sharp is preferring to get it now. My crystal ball tells me that we will beat this by the Autumn only for it to come back in the winter after mutating into something even more deadly. BUT not as deadly to those who have already had the original one. 
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 22 March 2020, 10:49:40 AM
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Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 22 March 2020, 11:00:32 AM
 
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It was the experts that told them that for our country herd immunity would work. Borris didnt make it up all by himself.
200 plus scientific experts threw their hands up in horror.  The World Health Organisation heavily criticised the UK and called their plan a theory. 
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It would be a stupid for the PM to stand up and say it will go on for 2 years. But 3 months gives people hope and an incentive to isolate but if he came right out and said 2 years stocks would crash and people would not bother isolating.   
The PM is talking nonsense.  The scientific world is making it quite clear that we face a crisis that will last at least 18 months.  Does this government have a clue?  Who are they trying to kid – or do they actually believe their own bull shit?
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Immunity may be one thing but perhaps harder to catch and harder to pass on and less symptoms. You will have the antibodies. Being a self confessed armchair expert, Dr Sharp is preferring to get it now. My crystal ball tells me that we will beat this by the Autumn only for it to come back in the winter after mutating into something even more deadly. BUT not as deadly to those who have already had the original one. 
Let me give you an example.  Norovirus – immunity after having Norovirus is according to google 6 – 24 months.  My GP advised me that I had 3 months immunity after I recovered form it a few years ago.  Also for Doctors and nurses working through a crises – they are at increased risk due to fatigue which leads to a weekend immune system.  As the consultant said the idea that they will be immune after having it – is a nice idea.
 
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Post by: fazersharp on 22 March 2020, 11:02:27 AM
Ive got loads of DIY lined up at Sharp hall and I am panic buying materials before B&Q / screwfix/toolstation shut down. In fact the billiards room and the east orangey at Sharp Hall look like B&Q now.   
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Post by: YamFazFan on 22 March 2020, 11:02:48 AM

Apparently with the schools now closed and the current dry weather/sunshine a lot of people are treating it like an early start to the Easter holidays. Just seen in the news that a number of beaches and resorts were really busy yesterday.

When will these idiots get the message :wall
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Post by: mtread on 22 March 2020, 11:06:26 AM
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Oh dear, imagine that. People travelling to their own homes

No, their own second homes. Selfishly taking the virus from a hot-spot to where it isn't. No regard for the locals.


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You don't half talk some bollocks. 

Yes you are a perfect example of that :D
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Post by: fazersharp on 22 March 2020, 11:15:20 AM
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Oh dear, imagine that. People travelling to their own homes
No, their own second homes. Selfishly taking the virus from a hot-spot to where it isn't. No regard for the locals.
Sounds very much like the Brexit/ freedom of movement argument to me. Funny how the wanting of freedom of movement to end was called xenophobic and racist when it wasn't something that affected your life directly. But now there is something that could affect you - you are all up for ending freedom of movement  :rolleyes     
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Post by: mtread on 22 March 2020, 11:26:00 AM
An interesting comparison. Yes this government is now advising against freedom of movement within the UK - 'No unnecessary travel'.
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 22 March 2020, 11:29:38 AM
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Sounds very much like the Brexit/ freedom of movement argument to me.
When is Johnson going to annouce that BREXIT is cancelled for the foreseeable future.
BREXIT must now be haulted until at very least we are past this crises (miniumum 18 months), if not binned altogether.
I think the country needs the reassureance that the focus of our government will be on combating Covid19 and not on continuing to implement a programe of self harm.
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Post by: YamFazFan on 22 March 2020, 12:42:03 PM
Sounds very much like the Brexit/ freedom of movement argument to me. Funny how the wanting of freedom of movement to end was called xenophobic and racist when it wasn't something that affected your life directly. But now there is something that could affect you - you are all up for ending freedom of movement  :rolleyes     
Well said.
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 22 March 2020, 12:48:49 PM
 
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Quote from: fazersharp on Today at 11:15:20 AM ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php?topic=25976.msg310863#msg310863[/url])<blockquote>Sounds very much like the Brexit/ freedom of movement argument to me. Funny how the wanting of freedom of movement to end was called xenophobic and racist when it wasn't something that affected your life directly. But now there is something that could affect you - you are all up for ending freedom of movement  ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/rolleyes.gif[/url])     
</blockquote>Well said.

 Gotta say that’s the most twisted and dumb nonsensical argument I’ve read in a long time.  Doh!
     
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Post by: mtread on 22 March 2020, 12:49:24 PM
See my reply above  :)
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Post by: mtread on 22 March 2020, 12:51:00 PM
Looks like you have an ally Fazersharp  :rolleyes
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 22 March 2020, 12:53:54 PM
 Meanwhile hou aboot a wee poem :)

Tae a Virus
Twa months ago we didna ken
Yer name or ocht aboot ye
But lots o things hae changed since then
I really must salute ye
Yer spreadin rate is quite intense
Yer feedin like a gannet
Disruption caused is so immense
Ye’ve shaken oor wee planet.


Corona used tae be a beer
They garnished it wi limes
But noo it’s filled us a wi fear
These days are scary times.
Nae shakin hauns or peckin lips
It’s what they all advise
But scrub them weel, richt tae the tips
That’s how we’ll a survive
Just stay inside the hoose ye bide
Nae sneakin oot for strolls
Just check the lavvy every hoor
An stock take yer loo rolls.


Oor holidays hae been pit aff
Noo that’s the Jet2 patter
Pit oan yer thermals, hae a laugh
An paddle “doon the watter”
Canary Isles, no fer a while
Nae need for suntan cream
An a because o this wee bug
We ken tae be Covid 19


The boredom surely will set in
But hae a read, or doodle
Or plan yer menu for the month
Wi 95 pot noodles.
When these rin oot, just look aboot
A change it would be nice
We’ve beans an pasta by the ton
An twenty stane o rice.


So dinna think ye’ll wipe us oot
Aye true, a few hae died
Bubonic, bird flu and TB
They came, they left, they tried
Ye might be gallus noo my freen
As ye jump frae cup to cup
But when we get oor vaccine
Yer number will be up.
 
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: fazersharp on 22 March 2020, 12:55:29 PM
Might of been good - IN ENGLISH
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: red98 on 22 March 2020, 01:02:20 PM
Ive got loads of DIY lined up at Sharp hall and I am panic buying materials before B&Q / screwfix/toolstation shut down. In fact the billiards room and the east orangey at Sharp Hall look like B&Q now.   












doing the same SHARPIE.....just been down to wickes for a sheet of plasterboard and some matt white emulsion...were not the only ones thinking that way..






as a carer for my dementia suffering mum it was my turn to stay the night,left home at 8.00pm on quite roads and all pubs shut, the local chippy was also shut but the takeaway next door was open.......................
















a chinese takeaway........... :rolleyes
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: YamFazFan on 22 March 2020, 01:06:03 PM

Might of been good - IN ENGLISH
Yep, I gave up after the third line. Haven't got all day to spend sitting translating that....oh hang on, on second thoughts :rolleyes ....

Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: Grahamm on 22 March 2020, 01:39:57 PM
Like I say, it's chuffed you to bits. The Germans have a term for it. Schadenfreude.

I know what Schadenfreude is, thank you.

But this isn't that, this is, as I've said, showing that Austerity was nothing more than a political choice and all the right wing news media attacking Corbyn for his ridiculous "spend, spend, spend" policies that are now supporting what the Tories are doing are being revealed for the utter hypocrites they are.
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: Grahamm on 22 March 2020, 01:42:04 PM

I wonder what's happening in the parallel universe where labour won the election, do we think that they're handling the crisis any better there?


You mean the one where they didn't consider the most important thing the government should do was to protect its rich mates?
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: Grahamm on 22 March 2020, 01:44:31 PM
:lol

It's incredible! All of this is happening under *Capitalism* and a TORY Government, yet, somehow, the right wing nutters are finding a way to attack Corbyn as if it's *HIS* fault!
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: Grahamm on 22 March 2020, 01:46:42 PM
The current government is way out of it's depth, career politicians, with little or no real world experience, lead by the likes of Cummings a non elected geek :rolleyes 
 


Yep, we have Blustering Boris being advised by the "Pound Shop Machiavelli" Dominic Cummings.

Quote
Dominic Cummings reportedly led the government’s response to the coronavirus pandemic with a strategy that protected the economy and put the elderly at risk.

According to Sunday Times reports the unelected advisor pushed a discredited “herd immunity” response, saying the prerogative was to “protect the economy and if that means some pensioners die, too bad.”


www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/cummings-led-government-strategy-which-protected-economy-and-put-elderly-at-risk/22/03/ (http://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/cummings-led-government-strategy-which-protected-economy-and-put-elderly-at-risk/22/03/)
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: Grahamm on 22 March 2020, 01:51:36 PM
Grahamm does that too. He spends half his time on here running down the Conservative government and defending Corbyn/Labour, then flings his arms up in indignation when you dare to suggest he's a Labour supporter :lol .

Why so coy about it fellas?.

Because I'm NOT A FOCCING LABOUR SUPPORTER!

So many times over the 30 years or so I've been posting in online forums, people have accused me of various things because they think "Well, if *I* was posting that it would mean that I was saying/ thinking/ doing/ believing XYZ".

But I'm not doing that, they are just projecting their attitudes on to me and can't believe that I'm capable of being objective.
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Post by: Grahamm on 22 March 2020, 01:53:15 PM
my political persuasion got naff all to do with it.  This isn't about scoring points
Try telling VNA and Grahamm that. They've done little else in this thread.


More projection!
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: Grahamm on 22 March 2020, 01:56:20 PM

I'm genuinely and seriously concerned about the basic competence of the general public who have been told to avoid mass gathering/close contact.

Have you seen some of the media coverage today of those idiots up North?

There's also the Second Home Owners and Tourists who seem to think that Cornwall is going to be safer...

https://www.thecanary.co/opinion/2020/03/21/please-dont-try-escaping-covid-19-in-cornwall-our-services-simply-cant-cope/ (https://www.thecanary.co/opinion/2020/03/21/please-dont-try-escaping-covid-19-in-cornwall-our-services-simply-cant-cope/)
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Post by: fazersharp on 22 March 2020, 02:21:39 PM
Grahamm you do find some obscure lefty stuff to fill your head with.
Kerry Anne Mendoza the person behind Canary co-founded it with her wife,  :rolleyes well of course she did. The woman has also been a project manager for high street banks and is a former management consultant in banking, a typical champaign socialist and general leftie lovie in the mould of little owen jones.     


Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: YamFazFan on 22 March 2020, 02:26:25 PM
Grahamm does that too. He spends half his time on here running down the Conservative government and defending Corbyn/Labour, then flings his arms up in indignation when you dare to suggest he's a Labour supporter :lol .

Why so coy about it fellas?.

Because I'm NOT A FOCCING LABOUR SUPPORTER!
Alright, calm down dear!. Stop flapping about. I believe you, of course I do ;)
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: YamFazFan on 22 March 2020, 02:42:07 PM
Like I say, it's chuffed you to bits. The Germans have a term for it. Schadenfreude.

I know what Schadenfreude is, thank you.

But this isn't that
So the Tory Government's solution to the problems of COVID-19 is...

... Socialism...!  :rollin :rollin :rollin
Oh OK. It must have been the ROFL emoji's that mislead me :rolleyes
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Post by: mtread on 22 March 2020, 02:48:40 PM
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The woman has also been a project manager for high street banks and is a former management consultant in banking  a typical champaign socialist and general leftie lovie in the mould of little owen jones.     

Huh? I think you are very confused.
Sounds more like 90% of the current cabinet.
Now if you're talking about a human rights lawyer, or CEO of a charity, you could be right. They obviously wouldn't be Working Class Tories.
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 22 March 2020, 02:55:28 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETsqTFOUcAARfjU?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: mtread on 22 March 2020, 04:23:13 PM
As reported in the Sunday Times, that well known left wing commie rag  :lol
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: YamFazFan on 22 March 2020, 04:55:35 PM
When is Johnson going to annouce that BREXIT is cancelled for the foreseeable future.
BREXIT must now be haulted until at very least we are past this crises (miniumum 18 months), if not binned altogether.
I think the country needs the reassureance that the focus of our government will be on combating Covid19 and not on continuing to implement a programe of self harm.
So you think the government is actually concentrating on Brexit right now, not on the Coronavirus pandemic, and that the public are crying out to them for reassureance that this isn't the case?.
I've not heard of a single person, other than you obviously :rolleyes , who thinks that Brexit is anything other than on than on ice for the foreseable and that the government aren't commiting fully to this crisis.


 
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 22 March 2020, 05:12:06 PM
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I've not heard of a single person, other than you obviously ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/rolleyes.gif[/url]) , who thinks that Brexit is anything other than on than on ice for the foreseable and that the government aren't commiting fully to this crisis.

 Businesses then therefore need to know that there is no requirement for them to make No DEAL BREXIT preparations.  The country cannot run on assumption and rumours.  So we need to know the governments current position and plans for BREXIT.
 
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 22 March 2020, 06:11:54 PM
 Wow!  USA has so far today recorded 13958 cases.  The bulk of these seem to be in New York state.  New York state has declared a federal disaster area.  They are now probably the worst effected area on the planet.
 
And just to re-cap, from Grahamm’s post on the 28th of February
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Infections
COVID-19: Approximately 81,322 cases worldwide; 59 cases in the U.S. as of Feb. 26, 2020.
Deaths
COVID-19: Approximately 2,770 deaths reported worldwide; 0 deaths in the U.S., as of Feb. 26, 2020.

Today – USA – 38,164 cases and 396 cases.
Global cases 387,881   14,444 deaths.
 
 
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 22 March 2020, 06:37:24 PM
Scottish Government Statement for the outdoor community 22nd March, 2020 Please read this statement below from Sottish Government.
All travelling to the hills stops now for all of us.
 There will be plenty of help needed in your own communities in the coming weeks and we need to look after ours.
We look forward to welcoming you back when Scottish Government says it is safe to return.
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: YamFazFan on 22 March 2020, 07:29:54 PM
Is appears to me that half the country are being sensible following the distancing/isolating advice and the other half just don't give a foc.
A lot of parents seem to be treating it as the start of the Easter holidays and are determined to enjoy family days out in popular resorts.

It's time for a mandatory, enforced lock-down. These idiots have proved that they're unable to be responsible themselves, so they need to be forced into complying.
 
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Post by: fazersharp on 22 March 2020, 07:30:09 PM
Wow!  USA has so far today recorded 13958 cases.  The bulk of these seem to be in New York state.  New York state has declared a federal disaster area.  They are now probably the worst effected area on the planet.
 
And just to re-cap, from Grahamm’s post on the 28th of February
Quote
Infections
COVID-19: Approximately 81,322 cases worldwide; 59 cases in the U.S. as of Feb. 26, 2020.
Deaths
COVID-19: Approximately 2,770 deaths reported worldwide; 0 deaths in the U.S., as of Feb. 26, 2020.

Today – USA – 38,164 cases and 396 cases.
Global cases 387,881   14,444 deaths.
 
 
So what's your point.
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Post by: fazersharp on 22 March 2020, 07:33:21 PM
Is appears to me that half the country are being sensible following the distancing/isolating advice and the other half just don't give a foc.
A lot of parents seem to be treating it as the start of the Easter holidays and are determined to enjoy family days out in popular resorts.

It's time for a mandatory, enforced lock-down. These idiots have proved that they're unable to be responsible themselves, so they need to be forced into complying.
 
I have relatives near and they say Skegness and Mablethorpe were packed and the arcades were full.
 Its only a matter of time before total lockdown.   
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Post by: YamFazFan on 22 March 2020, 07:37:41 PM
It hasn't helped that after weeks and months of wet & windy weather it's turned dry and sunny, albeit chilly, just when you want everyone to stay in.
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Post by: mtread on 22 March 2020, 07:43:10 PM
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Is appears to me that half the country are being sensible following the distancing/isolating advice and the other half just don't give a foc
Agree completely. Stood in a queue at the chemist on Friday, all of us rigidly 2 meters apart, other than the 20 something on her phone who just wandered about.


According to a friend with a couple of late teens, they refer to the virus as the 'Boomer Remover'.


Bastards.
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: fazersharp on 22 March 2020, 07:59:24 PM
It hasn't helped that after weeks and months of wet & windy weather it's turned dry and sunny, albeit chilly, just when you want everyone to stay in.
I wonder if they are all out because they feel that there will be a total lockdown so this could be the last time they can get out, self for filling proficiency.
 Exactly what I did today as I went out on my bike for the same reason.
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Post by: red98 on 22 March 2020, 08:01:00 PM
this has surely got to be a lockdown situation.....i stayed in yesterday but did pop down to wickes earlier for some diy items,it was busy......coastal resorts ,Cornwall and the Highlands have reported a surge in visitors,if the weather continues to improve its going to be worse at easter......i say a firm lockdown by next weekend ...
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Post by: mtread on 22 March 2020, 09:01:32 PM
Matlock Bath today, giving us all a bad name.
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Post by: agricola on 22 March 2020, 09:27:28 PM
Have to agree with those advocating lockdown, its overdue. And as I said earlier, it needs to be hand in hand with deterrence and punishment for those who fail to comply without sufficient justification, since its apparent that a very significant number simply dont give a fuck. I dont think they realise whats at stake here longer term. Govts all over the world are desperate to preserve capitalism and democracy and are releasing unprecedented amounts of capital funding to prevent loss of control. The Chinese didnt fuck about with there lockdowns and have made significant progress in reducing infection
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Post by: YamFazFan on 22 March 2020, 09:46:24 PM

since its apparent that a very significant number simply dont give a fuck.


Mostly the younger generation...the very ones who any other time are lecturing everyone else over the dangers of 'Climate Change' :rolleyes


Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: Grahamm on 22 March 2020, 10:05:48 PM
Grahamm you do find some obscure lefty stuff to fill your head with.
Kerry Anne Mendoza the person behind Canary co-founded it with her wife,  :rolleyes well of course she did. The woman has also been a project manager for high street banks and is a former management consultant in banking, a typical champaign socialist and general leftie lovie in the mould of little owen jones.     

Ah, a classic Ad Hominem. You don't like the message, shoot the messenger.

Perhaps the BBC will be more convincing for you with the same thing happening in Wales?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-51990604 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-51990604)

Or maybe the local Devon newspaper?

https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/cornwall-leaders-urge-tourists-stay-3971191 (https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/cornwall-leaders-urge-tourists-stay-3971191)

Or are you just so hung up on attacking anything "lefty" that you can't see past your bigotry?
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: Grahamm on 22 March 2020, 10:09:06 PM
Alright, calm down dear!. Stop flapping about. I believe you, of course I do ;)

 :rolleyes
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 22 March 2020, 10:09:16 PM
 
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Mostly the younger generation...the very ones who any other time are lecturing everyone else over the dangers of 'Climate Change'
Really?  How many youngsters do you think are in mtreads snap?


And, umm, anybody been out on their today fae a wee spin?  Come on don't be shy folks......

 
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: Grahamm on 22 March 2020, 10:15:24 PM
I've not heard of a single person, other than you obviously :rolleyes , who thinks that Brexit is anything other than on than on ice for the foreseable and that the government aren't commiting fully to this crisis.

In case you hadn't noticed (or you've forgotten) there is a *LEGAL DEADLINE* for a Brexit Deal coming up.

Now unless the Government have changed the law (and I think that, even with all the COVID-19 stories, the media would have reported it) that date is written into law and will happen unless something changes.

"This week's Brexit negotiations have been cancelled due to the coronavirus pandemic, although there will be no delay to the end of year deadline for the UK and EU to agree a trade deal."

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-this-weeks-brexit-talks-cancelled-but-no-extension-to-deadline-for-trade-deal-11959185

So we could be faced with economic chaos from both the COVID-19 shutdown *and* a Brexit No Deal happening.

But, hey, it's the Tories, they can do no wrong and the sun shines out of Boris' arse and everything will be milk and honey and blue skies...
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: Grahamm on 22 March 2020, 10:18:04 PM
Meanwhile, with irony, stories that were being buried under a "Brexit Mountain" are now being buried under a COVID-19 Mountain...

https://www.thenational.scot/news/18324638.coronavirus-key-stories-must-not-lost-covid-19-mountain/ (https://www.thenational.scot/news/18324638.coronavirus-key-stories-must-not-lost-covid-19-mountain/)
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Post by: YamFazFan on 22 March 2020, 10:18:35 PM
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Mostly the younger generation...the very ones who any other time are lecturing everyone else over the dangers of 'Climate Change'
Really?  How many youngsters do you think are in mtreads snap?
The UK consists of a bit more than one street in Matlock :rolleyes
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 22 March 2020, 10:22:38 PM
 
Quote
Govts all over the world are desperate to preserve capitalism and democracy and are releasing unprecedented amounts of capital funding to prevent loss of control.
The way to protect capital and capitalism would be to let the virus run its course.  No restrictions, no closures and those who don’t turn up for work sacked.  This is what the government had in mind with it’s Herd Immunity let them have it policy. 





 China is the precise opposite.  They have ruthlessly locked down towns and cities in order to halt the spread of the virus. It appears, that, for now this policy will be used as and when required - presumably until vaccination.  In a matter of weeks the UK, with a tiny fraction of the population, will shoot past the Chinese total figure for infections and keep going.
 
 
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: YamFazFan on 22 March 2020, 10:23:57 PM
Wow you're one angry man aren't you Grahamm. This obsession with Labour good/Tory evil runs deep and dominates everything doesn't it :eek
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Post by: mtread on 22 March 2020, 10:36:02 PM
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And, umm, anybody been out on their today fae a wee spin?  Come on don't be shy folks......
Going out isn't a problem. Getting off your bike and mingling with others, is a problem.
The guidelines are clear.
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Post by: vinnyb on 22 March 2020, 10:37:44 PM
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Mostly the younger generation...the very ones who any other time are lecturing everyone else over the dangers of 'Climate Change'
Really?  How many youngsters do you think are in mtreads snap?


And, umm, anybody been out on their today fae a wee spin?  Come on don't be shy folks......

  I didn't go out today for a short ride (FTFY ;) ) but there is a difference between going out on the bike for a ride and going back home and going somewhere to hang around with hundreds of others.
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Post by: mtread on 22 March 2020, 10:59:45 PM
Quote
The UK consists of a bit more than one street in Matlock

It appears Loomies and other regular bike meets were just as bad.
We need to get our own house in order before we criticise others.
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 23 March 2020, 12:27:19 AM



 
Quote
Going out isn't a problem. Getting off your bike and mingling with others, is a problem.
The guidelines are clear.

Indeed the advice is clear.  No non-essential travel.  It’s a bummer, but who are we, as motorcyclists to ignore the guidelines?
 
Quote
We need to get our own house in order before we criticise others.
 


Yes.  Again - no non-essential travel.


 
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 23 March 2020, 12:28:09 AM
Quote
Meanwhile, with irony, stories that were being buried under a "Brexit Mountain" are now being buried under a COVID-19 Mountain...

https://www.thenational.scot/news/18324638.coronavirus-key-stories-must-not-lost-covid-19-mountain/ (https://www.thenational.scot/news/18324638.coronavirus-key-stories-must-not-lost-covid-19-mountain/)
:thumbup
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 23 March 2020, 01:12:34 AM
https://twitter.com/C4Dispatches/status/1241803403619172359
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Post by: red98 on 23 March 2020, 06:50:30 AM
no essential travel.......that is very clear,my bike is just for fun, i dont use it for work therefore i should not be on it at all , at this time of year i would be itching to get out on it,as i was yesterday,just a blast around the local countryside probs 40/50 miles max......instead i covered the bikes up and stayed at home,this virus is going to wipe out any riding for me this year.......iam not happy with that but its got to be done...
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: darrsi on 23 March 2020, 07:40:57 AM
:lol

It's incredible! All of this is happening under *Capitalism* and a TORY Government, yet, somehow, the right wing nutters are finding a way to attack Corbyn as if it's *HIS* fault!


Right wing?
You can shove that bullshit and untrue comment right up your arse.  :finger
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: darrsi on 23 March 2020, 07:46:17 AM
Grahamm does that too. He spends half his time on here running down the Conservative government and defending Corbyn/Labour, then flings his arms up in indignation when you dare to suggest he's a Labour supporter :lol .

Why so coy about it fellas?.

Because I'm NOT A FOCCING LABOUR SUPPORTER!

So many times over the 30 years or so I've been posting in online forums, people have accused me of various things because they think "Well, if *I* was posting that it would mean that I was saying/ thinking/ doing/ believing XYZ".

But I'm not doing that, they are just projecting their attitudes on to me and can't believe that I'm capable of being objective.


And i'm not a "supporter" of any party, or right wing either, so why is it okay for you to point fingers and suggest otherwise?
I'm not explaining myself again, because you clearly have blinkers on.
I will admit again that i cannot stand Corbyn though, which i've never hidden, but i think you've kind of got that message as i can't be any more clearer and open about it.
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Post by: robbo on 23 March 2020, 08:02:30 AM
Whiteways at Bury Hill was heaving yesterday as was Newlands Corner on the A25. Box Hill had maybe 50 bikes in the carpark, as although Rykas is closed and the barriers are locked, there's a bike sized gap between the barrier post and the hedge.
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: mtread on 23 March 2020, 09:24:11 AM
'No non essential travel'. Why is riding your bike alone and returning home a risk? As Visor down has confirmed with the government, as long as you meet the rules on social distancing, it is permitted. It improves your mental health. We're not in lockdown (yet). But if the idiots (including bikers) continue to mingle, we soon will be.  :o
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Post by: fazersharp on 23 March 2020, 09:40:23 AM
I have heard a few adverts on the radio capitalising on the virus. "lock down this special offer now"  :rolleyes
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Post by: mtread on 23 March 2020, 10:01:37 AM
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Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 23 March 2020, 10:47:42 AM
 
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'No non essential travel'. Why is riding your bike alone and returning home a risk?
What is essential about it?  Why do some bikers think the advice does not apply to them?


Likewise – walkers have been advised to stay off the hills – walk only in your local area.  So what is the risk for me of traveling alone to Glen Etive, spending the day alone in the hills, and returning home.  Very little.  I don’t like the advice, but I will follow it.
 
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Post by: YamFazFan on 23 March 2020, 10:56:40 AM

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'No non essential travel'. Why is riding your bike alone and returning home a risk?
What is essential about it?  Why do some bikers think the advice does not apply to them?


It was only the gritters covering the roads with salt every night that stopped you taking your new bike out for a spin :pokefun
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 23 March 2020, 10:59:31 AM
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It was only the gritters covering the roads with salt every night that stopped you taking your new bike out for a spin
Yup, but it's all changed now.  Presumably I can ride it to and from work.  And that's it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-northern-ireland-51999437/stay-at-home-doctors-and-nurses-appeal-to-uk (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-northern-ireland-51999437/stay-at-home-doctors-and-nurses-appeal-to-uk)
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Post by: mtread on 23 March 2020, 11:15:53 AM
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  I don’t like the advice, but I will follow it.
That's just because of the gritters and your Fazer isn't MOT'd  ;)

I won't be following it.  I'm not creating or receiving any risk. I will be going for a solitary walk and a solo bike ride until they lockdown.
The trouble is they are having to put out simple messages for stupid people.
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Post by: mtread on 23 March 2020, 11:25:19 AM
In other news, I see the government has just nationalised the entire railway network, and it's thought unlikely they will reintroduce the franchising system after this is all over.
Boris Johnson, the greatest socialist PM since Clement Attlee!  :pokefun
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 23 March 2020, 11:30:44 AM
 I have an intense dislike of Piers Morgan, but occasionally he hits the nail on the head;
https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1242044089815662594 (https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1242044089815662594)
 
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 23 March 2020, 11:33:53 AM
 MCN have advised me that they are seeking clarity on ‘non-essential travel’ at this time.

 
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 23 March 2020, 11:35:39 AM
 
Quote
I won't be following it.

First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has said:
 
“If at all possible stay at home”
"essential travel only must be undertaken”
“life should not feel normal’
“Scotland is on the cusp of a rapid acceleration in coronavirus cases”
 
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 23 March 2020, 11:45:56 AM
 If you haven’t watched this then I suggest you do.  Everybody should be aware of this.  This is why staying at home, social distancing and no non-essential travel is so critical at this time.


https://twitter.com/C4Dispatches/status/1241803403619172359 (https://twitter.com/C4Dispatches/status/1241803403619172359)


Covid19 is not the flu it is much much more infectious than the flu.


You get the flu – 1 person infects about 1.3 persons, over ten layers, one person infects 14 people.
You get Covid 19 – 1 person infects 3 persons, over ten layers, one person infects 59,000 people.


Remember it is not about you – it is about everybody else.
 
 
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Post by: fazersharp on 23 March 2020, 11:50:02 AM
Out on the bike the other day and was thinking  :think about this and it occurred to me that you are more vulnerable, the "progress" we make and all the air we are zipping through - visor down or not there is still a considerable draft that wafts through the lid. Pit cars are fitted with pollen filters. 
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Post by: BBROWN1664 on 23 March 2020, 12:05:43 PM
'No non essential travel'. Why is riding your bike alone and returning home a risk? As Visor down has confirmed with the government, as long as you meet the rules on social distancing, it is permitted. It improves your mental health. We're not in lockdown (yet). But if the idiots (including bikers) continue to mingle, we soon will be.  :o

Maybe its just me, but with people being brain dead at the best of times, riding a bike alone or in a group is a high risk activity. So much so that many travel insurance policies wont cover you. Forgetting the travel part though for now, unless your using the bike to commute or to get food, riding the bike is non-essential at the moment. Second, riding a bike is dangerous and puts you more at risk of requiring the NHS to put you back together at a time when they have other things to deal with. As much as I enjoy riding my bike, it will be staying in the garage for now.

Unfortunately, its now time to think of everyone else before you think of yourself.
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Post by: mtread on 23 March 2020, 12:16:32 PM
We have a 17 year old grandson staying with us at the moment.


I will be going out.


Advice is advice, instructions are instructions.
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 23 March 2020, 12:25:01 PM
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I will be going out.
First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has said:
 
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“If at all possible stay at home”
"essential travel only must be undertaken”
“life should not feel normal’
“Scotland is on the cusp of a rapid acceleration in coronavirus cases”
I guess this is why we will probably end up with a lockdown - cos people won't follow advice.
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Post by: BBROWN1664 on 23 March 2020, 12:32:26 PM
We have a 17 year old grandson staying with us at the moment.


I will be going out.


Advice is advice, instructions are instructions.

Fortunatley my 19 year old son is staying with his girlfriend at the moment or there would be blood on the floor. I normally work from home but I am already chomping at the bit to get out and about but know I cant.

Look at it this way. You go out. Fill and touch a surface that someone with COVID-19 has touched before you. Before you clean your hands again, you touch another surface. You then wash your hands before you touch your face etc so "I'm OK" but somone else touches that surface and then their face (or whatever) without washing their hands. Some would say that's their fault for not washing. Others would say its your fault as you spread the germs around. Maybe you had gloves on so still less risk for you but take your pick and decide whether its worth risking someone elses life before you head out on an unnecessary trip.

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Post by: mtread on 23 March 2020, 12:34:35 PM
Trains still packed going into London this morning.
People queuing to get into supermarkets
Picnics in parks
Seafront crowded.


That's why action will be taken. Not because of people going out  for solitary walks.
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Post by: mtread on 23 March 2020, 12:37:22 PM
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Look at it this way. You go out. Fill and touch a surface that someone with COVID-19 has touched before you. Before you clean your hands again, you touch another surface. You then wash your hands before you touch your face etc so "I'm OK" but somone else touches that surface and then their face (or whatever) without washing their hands. Some would say that's their fault for not washing. Others would say its your fault as you spread the germs around. Maybe you had gloves on so still less risk for you but take your pick and decide whether its worth risking someone elses life before you head out on an unnecessary trip.
Bike gloves on, or hands in pockets. Nothing touched. I don't need telling.
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Post by: YamFazFan on 23 March 2020, 12:53:18 PM

Trains still packed going into London this morning.
People queuing to get into supermarkets
Picnics in parks
Seafront crowded.


That's why action will be taken. Not because of people going out  for solitary walks.


Exactly
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Post by: BBROWN1664 on 23 March 2020, 12:58:36 PM
Bike gloves on, or hands in pockets. Nothing touched. I don't need telling.

But you touch things and spread it around even if the virus doesn't touch you.
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 23 March 2020, 01:03:39 PM
 
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That's why action will be taken. Not because of people going out for solitary walks.
Mountain Rescue Scotland have asked people not to travel to the hills.  They cannot guarantee a rescue service.  Also, emergency helicopter services must be kept available for Covid19.  Further, admissions to hospitals must be kept to an absolute minimum. 



The Scottish Government has advised no non-essential travel.


This isn't the time to go out for a spin on the bike.

 
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Post by: BBROWN1664 on 23 March 2020, 01:21:37 PM
:agree
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Post by: mtread on 23 March 2020, 02:02:16 PM
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But you touch things and spread it around even if the virus doesn't touch you.
In the circumstances I have outlined, could you explain how?
Are my tyres spreading it around? Am I breathing air that people a mile away might inhale?
We need to have a sense of proportion.
As I said, simple slogans for stupid people.
I'm expecting the NHS to be overwhelmed with people having heart attacks from sitting on their arses all day  :)
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Post by: BBROWN1664 on 23 March 2020, 02:35:23 PM
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But you touch things and spread it around even if the virus doesn't touch you.
In the circumstances I have outlined, could you explain how?


OK. I will explain it again...

Lets say you stop for petrol. The person before you have COVID-19 and touched the pump before you. Now you pick up the pump, its now on your hand/glove. You then go and pay but have to touch the door or put your pin in the machine. The next person behind you did not touch the same pump but now touches the same part of the door or pin pad. They now have Covid on their skin thanks to you.
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Post by: Dudeofrude on 23 March 2020, 03:05:42 PM
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But you touch things and spread it around even if the virus doesn't touch you.
In the circumstances I have outlined, could you explain how?


OK. I will explain it again...

Lets say you stop for petrol. The person before you have COVID-19 and touched the pump before you. Now you pick up the pump, its now on your hand/glove. You then go and pay but have to touch the door or put your pin in the machine. The next person behind you did not touch the same pump but now touches the same part of the door or pin pad. They now have Covid on their skin thanks to you.

I understand the point your trying to make but that is an incredibly slim risk compared to say... going shopping? (I've taken a bag with me every visit to tesco as I just can't stand the thought of touching a trolley that everyone's sweaty hands have been all over 🤮)
Also those of us that still have to work, still have to fill our cars/bikes up to commute so we would be taking that risk regardless.
As others have said it's not really a black and white scenario, the government are even telling us to get outside "for exercise" which I fully agree with but as with most things a serious does of common sense seems to be the best plan
I can call myself lucky that I live in a fairly quiet area of my town, surrounded by fields. I also have a decent sized garden that is more than big enough for exercise should I be confined to my home.
The people I feel sorry for are the ones stuck in multi story flats and bedsits who will have nothing but an open window to lean out of 😔
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Post by: mtread on 23 March 2020, 03:15:02 PM
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Lets say you stop for petrol. The person before you have COVID-19 and touched the pump before you. Now you pick up the pump, its now on your hand/glove. You then go and pay but have to touch the door or put your pin in the machine. The next person behind you did not touch the same pump but now touches the same part of the door or pin pad. They now have Covid on their skin thanks to you.
Let me explain it to you.
You stop for petrol. You put on the disposable diesel gloves (or bring your own). You choose 'pay at pump' so you don't have to enter the shop. You fill up and pay by card, still wearing the disposable gloves. You finish and throw away the gloves and get on your way.
You do all this because you're not a f***cking idiot  :D
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Post by: fazersharp on 23 March 2020, 04:40:30 PM
just come back from panic buying at b and q and they had signs to say stay 2m away from each other but it is almost possible, I couldn't get out, looked up isles and people in my way but I got the feeling people were at least trying.Then nipped into Home Bargains next door ( a very cheap shop ) very popular with those on low income  ;) NO ONE was respecting any form of distancing, simple slogans don't seem to be simple enough for some.
 I feel extra clamp down measures will be enforce maybe in today's news conference,
 
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 23 March 2020, 05:11:07 PM
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just come back from panic buying at b and q and they had signs to say stay 2m away from each other but it is almost possible, I couldn't get out, looked up isles and people in my way but I got the feeling people were at least trying.Then nipped into Home Bargains next door ( a very cheap shop ) very popular with those on low income  ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/wink.gif[/url]) NO ONE was respecting any form of distancing, simple slogans don't seem to be simple enough for some.
 I feel extra clamp down measures will be enforce maybe in today's news conference,

Have you watched these two very short videos Fazersharp?

https://twitter.com/C4Dispatches/status/1241803403619172359 (https://twitter.com/C4Dispatches/status/1241803403619172359)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-northern-ireland-51999437/stay-at-home-doctors-and-nurses-appeal-to-uk (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-northern-ireland-51999437/stay-at-home-doctors-and-nurses-appeal-to-uk)


For those that haven't, it will take less than five minutes to watch both of them, and I would urge you to do so.
Basically, don't go to the shops unless you have to.

 Looks like I am going to the supermarket again tomorrow.  I have friends who are self-isolating as a precaution.   I will also top up my shop from Saturday, and I will point out to my friend I’ll will not be going near the supermarket again for 7 days.
 

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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 23 March 2020, 05:13:17 PM
I'm off out to polish and cuddle my new bike.  I might sit on it and make bike engine nosies. 


Hopefully my Can Bus battery charger will arrive tomorrow so I can charge the battery.
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Post by: agricola on 23 March 2020, 05:17:29 PM
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  I don’t like the advice, but I will follow it.
That's just because of the gritters and your Fazer isn't MOT'd  ;)

I won't be following it.  I'm not creating or receiving any risk. I will be going for a solitary walk and a solo bike ride until they lockdown.
The trouble is they are having to put out simple messages for stupid people.


For once, Im with you on this one. Ill continue to walk the dog on my own and away from anyone else, plenty of open spaces around here. Ill continue to ride the fazer as ans when I wish until lockdown, cos I can avoid anyone else while doing so (until I need fuel). Ill continue to go out jogging, same reasons as for dog walking. Im of that age that if I dont keep myself mobile, Ill seize up and never get back what I have now


Good health everyone
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Post by: YamFazFan on 23 March 2020, 05:27:29 PM
The telly & newspapers today weren't full of people filling up at petrol stations and riding solo on their motorbikes.
It was a load of dickheads all bunched together on Snowdon and feeding fruit machines cheek-by-jowl in the amusement arcades at Skeggy :rolleyes
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Post by: fazersharp on 23 March 2020, 05:43:11 PM
The telly & newspapers today weren't full of people filling up at petrol stations and riding solo on their motorbikes.
It was a load of dickheads all bunched together on Snowdon and feeding fruit machines cheek-by-jowl in the amusement arcades at Skeggy :rolleyes
Exactly
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 23 March 2020, 05:46:36 PM
 
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I’ll continue to walk the dog on my own and away from anyone else,
Nobody is asking you to stop doing so.
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I’ll continue to go out jogging
Again, nobody is asking you to stop doing so.
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Ill continue to ride the fazer as ans when I wish until lockdown, cos I can avoid anyone else while doing so (until I need fuel).
The advice is clear – no non essential travel.  And NHS staff are appealing for people to stay at home.
 
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 23 March 2020, 05:49:22 PM

https://twitter.com/C4Dispatches/status/1241803403619172359 (https://twitter.com/C4Dispatches/status/1241803403619172359)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-northern-ireland-51999437/stay-at-home-doctors-and-nurses-appeal-to-uk (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-northern-ireland-51999437/stay-at-home-doctors-and-nurses-appeal-to-uk)
Takes less than 5 minutes to watch both these clips.  Please do.
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Post by: mtread on 23 March 2020, 06:01:16 PM
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just come back from panic buying at b and q
B&Q :eek :eek :eek
Don't do any DIY whatever you do! You might hurt yourself and need to call ambulance. Stretching the NHS to unacceptable levels  ;)
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Post by: Grahamm on 23 March 2020, 06:16:00 PM
Wow you're one angry man aren't you Grahamm. This obsession with Labour good/Tory evil runs deep and dominates everything doesn't it :eek

Oh deary, deary me, trolling *again* YamFazFan?

You *really* don't understand what I'm talking about, do you? I've tried to explain, but you're either being deliberately obtuse or you are actually as blinkered as you appear and can't accept that not everyone thinks the same way that you do.

Please enjoy your attempts at trolling, but I'm going to trit-trot along now.

 :finger
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Post by: Grahamm on 23 March 2020, 06:18:03 PM
It appears Loomies and other regular bike meets were just as bad.
We need to get our own house in order before we criticise others. [/font]

Mick's Burgers on Portsdown Hill have just announced that they're closing down for the forseeable future because they were inundated with bikers on the weekend and have decided that they can't be the focal point for a big gathering of people like that :(
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Post by: Grahamm on 23 March 2020, 06:30:03 PM
It's incredible! All of this is happening under *Capitalism* and a TORY Government, yet, somehow, the right wing nutters are finding a way to attack Corbyn as if it's *HIS* fault!

Right wing?
You can shove that bullshit and untrue comment right up your arse.  :finger

Sigh.

You posted a variant on a meme that the right wing and Brexiteers have been using to attack Corbyn and Socialism by comparing what is happening *NOW* to the situation in Venezuela under Chavez.

Except, of course, as has been pointed out:

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The problem here is that the panic buying and hysteria created by the coronavirus and the British government's heavily criticised response to the outbreak, didn't occur under a Corbyn government.

It has occurred under a Boris Johnson government, that last time we checked had an overwhelming majority in the Commons so, therefore, it's hasn't provided an insight into a Labour government but a Tory government that has been in charge for 10 years.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/brexiteer-owns-himself-after-saying-that-empty-shop-shelves-have-given-us-a-look-into-life-under-a-corbyn-government/ar-BB11dt7E (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/brexiteer-owns-himself-after-saying-that-empty-shop-shelves-have-given-us-a-look-into-life-under-a-corbyn-government/ar-BB11dt7E)
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Post by: YamFazFan on 23 March 2020, 06:30:11 PM
I'm going to trit-trot along now.

 :finger
Bye bye. Missing you already :kiss
I shouldn't hang around too long mind. Most travel may be banned by about 8 o'clock this evening ;)
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Post by: fazersharp on 23 March 2020, 06:36:52 PM
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I’ll continue to go out jogging
Again, nobody is asking you to stop doing so.
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Ill continue to ride the fazer as ans when I wish until lockdown, cos I can avoid anyone else while doing so (until I need fuel).
The advice is clear – no non essential travel.  And NHS staff are appealing for people to stay at home.
 
In my view jogging is very much so -  non essential travel.
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Post by: Grahamm on 23 March 2020, 06:40:34 PM
In other news, I see the government has just nationalised the entire railway network, and it's thought unlikely they will reintroduce the franchising system after this is all over.

Interesting, I'd seen *nothing* about this in the news!
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Post by: Grahamm on 23 March 2020, 06:42:20 PM
I have an intense dislike of Piers Morgan, but occasionally he hits the nail on the head;

Bloody hell. When we actually have to compliment Piers Morgan for giving good advice it shows just how much of a shit show this has been...!
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Post by: fazersharp on 23 March 2020, 06:45:57 PM
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just come back from panic buying at b and q
B&Q :eek :eek :eek
Don't do any DIY whatever you do! You might hurt yourself and need to call ambulance. Stretching the NHS to unacceptable levels  ;)
I think that there is going t be a lot of DIY jobs being done over the coming weeks by a lot of people. No longer can the "Im too busy a work" excuse do any good. 

 I have got enough materials in now to be able to crack on in a couple of Sharp Halll's rooms without having to go out at all.
I feel that all diy sheds will be shut and only the likes of screwfix will be open to people with a trade account.   
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Post by: mtread on 23 March 2020, 06:56:05 PM
I'll start my DIY only after I've finished sorting my CD collection into alphabetical order  :)
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Post by: YamFazFan on 23 March 2020, 07:22:37 PM
....thus creating an OCD collection :think
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Post by: fazersharp on 23 March 2020, 07:26:56 PM
....thus creating an OCD collection :think
:rollin
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Post by: mtread on 23 March 2020, 07:28:48 PM
Yes it's unnatural isn't it :rolleyes


Fortunately I've finished the DVDs.
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 23 March 2020, 07:38:16 PM
 10% of Italy’s recorded COVID19 infections are health care workers.


 
A number of health care workers have died. 



Inside an Italian hospital - https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-they-call-it-the-apocalypse-inside-italys-hardest-hit-hospital-11960597 (https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-they-call-it-the-apocalypse-inside-italys-hardest-hit-hospital-11960597)

 
This is what we are expecting in the UK.


Waiting rooms, corridors, and operating theatres, are being used for life and death Covid19 treatment. 
So just remember when out on your bike, or off shopping, ignoring advice and the pleas of our health care workers, that this is where we are heading. 



Neverminded our idiotic Prime Minister and our hopeless government, never mind their conflicting and inconsistent advice – just think about what our health care workers are asking of us.


They are asking us to stay at home.  Not to go to work unless we have to.  And not to travel unless absolutely necessary.  Listen to the health care workers, support our health care workers, and show them solidarity and respect.
 
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Post by: Dudeofrude on 23 March 2020, 07:56:21 PM


They are asking us to stay at home.  Not to go to work unless we have to.  And not to travel unless absolutely necessary.  Listen to the health care workers, support our health care workers, and show them solidarity and respect.

Well being married to one such health care worker and having to worry about her every time she goes to work I know all too well about what they are risking for us
But being self employed and at the same time having 2 kids to feed, mortgage payments aswell as a plethora of other Bill's that need covering I CANNOT afford to stay at home despite the risks. So unless the government puts something in place to help people like me then I have no choice but to carry on commuting to work and if necessary ignore the governments "order" to close my business as I would simply lose everything 😔
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Post by: Gnasher on 23 March 2020, 07:57:38 PM
You do all this because you're not a f***cking idiot  :D


You may not be mate many others sadly are!


The messages coming out form the government over the last few weeks are confusing, misleading, possibly lies and not helping matters.  Lead by the likes of Cummings and with the idea of trying to do it as cheap as possible, although the latter, I think is now changing as they're are being forced by events.     


We've been told for a good while now 98% of non at risks groups who contract it, will get, little or mid symptoms.  It now turns out that's not the case and it would appear that's been known for a good while.  I believe (from what I've been reading) close half the people who died thus far world wide are not over 70 or in a high risk group, considered fit and healthy.  Many sports man/woman including professional have been infected, some are in a serious condition.  The plan is to spread the infection out more than reduce it, so as not to overwhelm the NHS or rather their equipment i.e. ventilators.   A friend of a friend who is a consultant in a London ITU, sent him the following this is, not cut and paste this was sent to my friend who was at Uni with this chap years ago. I'ts real few days old now but explains why Italy, other major cities and now London, New York are being hit so hard it's real: -

Why do we need to shut places where people group?

Remember this: VIRAL LOAD There will be a lot about this. Why is it important?With this virus, the amount of virus in your blood at first infection directly relates to the severity of the illness you will suffer. This isn’t unusual - HIV management is all about reducing viral load to keep people alive longer. BUT it’s very important in COVID-19.So if you are in, say, a pub or religious building or entertainment venue with 200 people and a large number don’t have symptoms but are shedding, you are breathing in lots of droplets per minute and absorbing a high load of the virus. In a crowded space. They become ill over the next 48 hours. You then three days later wonder why you can’t breathe and end up in hospital.

You’d decided because you were young and healthy it wasn’t going to be a problem. Wrong.Fortunately but unfortunately because the elderly are isolating quite well, the initial UK data suggests that all age groups above 20 are almost equally represented in ITUs in England. Most of the cases are in London but the wave is moving outwards.This means that being under 60 and fit and well doesn’t seem to be as protective as we thought. Why? Viral load.This may be skewed simply by the fact that too many Londoners didn’t do as asked and congregated in large groups in confined spaces and got a large initial viral load. They then went home and infected their wider families. Which is why, as London is overwhelmed, we need to shut everything down to save the rest of the UK. We are a week at most behind London.Our sympathies go out to the families affected in London and the critical care teams battling right now to save as many as they can.

If I sit with one person and catch this virus, I get a small viral load. My immune system will start to fight it and by the time the virus starts replicating, I’m ready to kill it. No medicines will help this process meaningfully hence there is no “cure” for this virus. All we can do is support you with a ventilator and hope your immune system can catch up fast enough.If I sit in the same room with six people, all shedding I get six times the initial dose. The rise in viral load is faster than my immune system can cope with and it is overrun. I then become critically ill and need me (or someone of my speciality) to fix it instead of just being at home and being ok in the end.THIS BIT IS IMPORTANT:If you are a large family group, remember that by being ill and in the same room, you will make each other ill or “more ill”. If you get sick, isolate just yourself to one room and stay there.

Don’t all sit in one room coughing. You will increase the viral load for all of you, reducing your survival rate.A family of six people may produce double the droplets of a family of three in the same space. Maths is important.If one of you is symptomatic, assume you are all shedding and make sure you keep some space.Parents are getting it from their kids because no one is going to stop comforting their child (nor should they) so the parent gets a big hit as well as the child. I don’t think that can be helped.REMEMBER: THINK ABOUT VIRAL LOADIt could save your life or your child’s.Coventry and Warwickshire - it’s up to you now. We are preparing for the worst but we are hoping for the best from you. Please help us to help you. Stay home and take this seriously now before we need the army on the streets to remind you. Yes I’m serious.


Using words like 'should' or 'is the right thing to do' are meaningless to many.  If you want to stop the masses doing anything, it must be a law and policed because some f***cking idiot will just ignore it.  Many appear at to be treating this as an forced holiday, were they are paid 80% of their salary to do nothing and if not in a at risk group just carry on as normal because they think they are low risk.  Another why Italy is in such a bad way they didn't shut down fast enough, now they're in big trouble, they're now seeing slow down and even a small reduction.  The lock down measures are starting to take effect.

Continuing to move about even on a bike alone, doing all the measures mtread states only works if everybody does the same they don't, many can't even wash their hands after going to the lav let alone wearing gloves using a petrol pump!  A lot of people sadly need protecting from themselves!

Stay at home means just that, only going out to shop when you NEED something not WANT there's a big difference.  No popping to the park/beach for a picnic, off for a drive/ride.  It's all about viral load, the more you absorb the worse your infection becomes.  Going on a bike ride stopping and taking pictures with others, road side cafe, I saw 4 sets of the former and 3 of the latter this morning/afternoon going to work/from packed, pubs, clubs, shops etc  this is what's giving not at risk groups high level of symptoms and killing them!  These not at risk types have been and are still spreading it around often themselves with little symptoms themselves.

Keeping the underground moving does make sense but for key workers only, but not as they have cut the amount of carriages so people are packed in.  Why have they, my guess is to save money somewhere/how perhaps on power or staff, another demonstration of Mr Cummings and save money influence.

In the next half hour or so I think we'll find we're all going to be forced to lock down and the military are now going to enter the game.  We must stop treating this as an inconvenience, we are at war with this thing and it must be defeated       

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Post by: Fazian on 23 March 2020, 07:59:13 PM
That's all well and good but what if you are self employed and haven't got enough put by? Observing the "common sense" rules of a lockdown is what I will be doing but I still need to go out and work for a living. Not everyone will be in this position but there are a couple of million self employed people out there and a lot of them will need to carry on working.


Luckily I work for private domestic customers mostly so I can be relatively "safe"


Keep safe everybody  :thumbup
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 23 March 2020, 08:31:58 PM
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Well being married to one such health care worker and having to worry about her every time she goes to work I know all too well about what they are risking for us
But being self employed and at the same time having 2 kids to feed, mortgage payments aswell as a plethora of other Bill's that need covering I CANNOT afford to stay at home despite the risks. So unless the government puts something in place to help people like me then I have no choice but to carry on commuting to work and if necessary ignore the governments "order" to close my business as I would simply lose everything 😔
 
Absolutely.  I’m off anyway this week.  But unless I am told otherwise, I will go to my work next week.  I have no choice. 



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The messages coming out form the government over the last few weeks are confusing, misleading, possibly lies and not helping matters.
This government is utterly utterly utterly hopeless.  I have no doubt that their main concern is the economy.

What we have to do is stop all non-essential activity.
 
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 23 March 2020, 08:37:59 PM
 Excellent post Gnasher.  Viral Load helps explain why health workers are getting ill, and why many of them are so scathing of the idea that they will have immunity if/when they recover. 



Thanks.

 
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Post by: Gnasher on 23 March 2020, 08:49:14 PM
That's all well and good but what if you are self employed and haven't got enough put by? Observing the "common sense" rules of a lockdown is what I will be doing but I still need to go out and work for a living. Not everyone will be in this position but there are a couple of million self employed people out there and a lot of them will need to carry on working.


Luckily I work for private domestic customers mostly so I can be relatively "safe"


Keep safe everybody  :thumbup


Put simply you can't visit/work in peoples homes unless it's vital, gas, water, electrical, structural emergency. Anything else will stop.     


You can claim if you're self employed (SE), I'm not saying it's easy but you can.  Now what will be interesting is all those SE who have been claiming for years they live on 15k (1200ish a month) and now claim they need the equivalent of 50k plus.................. oh that's going to be very interesting.


This could be yet another great leveller and something good to come out of all this. 


   
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Post by: YamFazFan on 23 March 2020, 08:55:33 PM

Now what will be interesting is all those SE who have been claiming for years they live on 15k (1200ish a month) and now claim they need the equivalent of 50k plus.................. oh that's going to be very interesting.


 :lol
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Post by: agricola on 23 March 2020, 10:46:26 PM
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Well being married to one such health care worker and having to worry about her every time she goes to work I know all too well about what they are risking for us
But being self employed and at the same time having 2 kids to feed, mortgage payments aswell as a plethora of other Bill's that need covering I CANNOT afford to stay at home despite the risks. So unless the government puts something in place to help people like me then I have no choice but to carry on commuting to work and if necessary ignore the governments "order" to close my business as I would simply lose everything 😔
 
Absolutely.  I’m off anyway this week.  But unless I am told otherwise, I will go to my work next week.  I have no choice. 



Quote
The messages coming out form the government over the last few weeks are confusing, misleading, possibly lies and not helping matters.
This government is utterly utterly utterly hopeless.  I have no doubt that their main concern is the economy.

What we have to do is stop all non-essential activity.


Oi, you. No non essential travel. Remember? Typical of you. Do as I say and not as I do. :lol
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 23 March 2020, 11:02:41 PM
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Oi, you. No non essential travel. Remember? Typical of you. Do as I say and not as I do.
Going to work is essential travel.
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Post by: mtread on 23 March 2020, 11:22:21 PM
But only if you're an essential worker  :)
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Post by: mtread on 23 March 2020, 11:32:15 PM
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You can claim if you're self employed (SE), I'm not saying it's easy but you can.  Now what will be interesting is all those SE who have been claiming for years they live on 15k (1200ish a month) and now claim they need the equivalent of 50k plus.................. oh that's going to be very interesting.
Yes you can claim....... Universal Credit if you have no work at all, or Statutory Sickness Benefit if you are ill. Both of which are a pittance compared with the government's guarantee of 80% salary or £2,500 per month for laid off employees.
The government really needs to support the self employed, or many will be destitute or if they can just carry on quietly working. The government is suggesting it is administratively difficult to pay the self employed. No it isn't. You have their Self Assessment Returns and have estimated the current year's profit. Just pay them 80% of that.
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 23 March 2020, 11:42:03 PM
Quote
But only if you're an essential worker 
That is not correct.
The official guidance is here
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/874714/Full_guidance_on_staying_at_home_and_away_from_others.pdf (https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/874714/Full_guidance_on_staying_at_home_and_away_from_others.pdf)
The key line is
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●Travelling to and from work, but only where this absolutely cannot be done from home.
However I am classed as an essential worker. 
 
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 23 March 2020, 11:45:40 PM
 
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But only if you're an essential worker  ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/smile.gif[/url])

Bottom line - I get to ride my bike - you don't :pokefun
Any restrcitions on fuel that may be introduced will not apply to me.
     
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: mtread on 23 March 2020, 11:56:22 PM

● Shopping for basic necessities, for example food and medicine, which must be as infrequent as
possible.


Tomorrow's basic food requirements are Cromer Crab. The following day Arbroath Smokies  :)
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 24 March 2020, 12:28:05 AM
I wonder what the supermarkets will be like over the next week.

I can't help thinking that possibly the panic buyers will be too foccin scared to step outside their houses, and will now start working their way through their stock piles. 


The top notch butcher a few miles up the road from me has had to close down his web site due to panic buying.  Bonkers.
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Post by: YamFazFan on 24 March 2020, 05:55:36 AM


● Shopping for basic necessities, for example food and medicine, which must be as infrequent as
possible.


Tomorrow's basic food requirements are Cromer Crab. The following day Arbroath Smokies  :)


 :lol
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: darrsi on 24 March 2020, 05:57:59 AM
Excellent post Gnasher.  Viral Load helps explain why health workers are getting ill, and why many of them are so scathing of the idea that they will have immunity if/when they recover. 



Thanks.


Totally agree, that's a very understandable and informative post Gnasher.
Sometimes when things are explained as simply as that it can make so much more sense, but also get the message home too without needing all the blatant scaremongering.
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: YamFazFan on 24 March 2020, 06:11:13 AM

Quote
But only if you're an essential worker 
That is not correct.
The official guidance is here
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/874714/Full_guidance_on_staying_at_home_and_away_from_others.pdf (https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/874714/Full_guidance_on_staying_at_home_and_away_from_others.pdf)
The key line is
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●Travelling to and from work, but only where this absolutely cannot be done from home.
However I am classed as an essential worker.


Just listening to the radio, there's confusion about this issue.
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Post by: Gnasher on 24 March 2020, 07:38:16 AM
Yes you can claim....... Universal Credit if you have no work at all, or Statutory Sickness Benefit if you are ill. Both of which are a pittance compared with the government's guarantee of 80% salary or £2,500 per month for laid off employees.
The government really needs to support the self employed, or many will be destitute or if they can just carry on quietly working. The government is suggesting it is administratively difficult to pay the self employed. No it isn't. You have their Self Assessment Returns and have estimated the current year's profit. Just pay them 80% of that.


A quick google and it appears SE can't access SSB, they can claim Employment & Support Allowance (ESA), Universal Credit, they also don't have pay their tax bill for last years tax, which they should have put by and this the government assumes will give them access to cash.   It's not as straight forward, would appear on the surface to be less generous than PAYE employees, it should be better.

I think this is yet another example of this government's lack of depth and experience, it's also highlighting a serious flaw in our employment system. It's also a bit ironic in that, the current government's political leaning has for years been to encourage and promote self employment,  yet they appear to have little regard for them at this time.

And it's been left to the opposition, to call for more help in supporting the self employed, something they're not necessarily historically seen to have supported.  Let's also not forget those on zero hour contracts, they I believe, are even worse off! For me this is yet another clear demonstration of money above all, especially zero hours contracts were everything is geared for the employer.   
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Post by: mtread on 24 March 2020, 10:20:46 AM
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they also don't have pay their tax bill for last years tax, which they should have put by and this the government assumes will give them access to cash
The government usually takes an advance payment of 2019 - 2020 tax in July 2020. All they have done is delay that until January 2021. So that doesn't give much benefit to the Self Employed at all, and certainly not their massive drop in earnings now.
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: agricola on 24 March 2020, 10:29:07 AM
Quote
But only if you're an essential worker 
That is not correct.
The official guidance is here
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/874714/Full_guidance_on_staying_at_home_and_away_from_others.pdf (https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/874714/Full_guidance_on_staying_at_home_and_away_from_others.pdf)
The key line is
Quote
●Travelling to and from work, but only where this absolutely cannot be done from home.
However I am classed as an essential worker.


And your essential work is?
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Post by: mtread on 24 March 2020, 10:42:22 AM
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 24 March 2020, 10:51:49 AM
 
Quote
Quote from: VNA on 23 March 2020, 11:42:03 PM ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php?topic=25976.msg311023#msg311023[/url])<blockquote>Quote<blockquote>But only if you're an essential worker  </blockquote> That is not correct.
The official guidance is here
[url]https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/874714/Full_guidance_on_staying_at_home_and_away_from_others.pdf[/url] ([url]https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/874714/Full_guidance_on_staying_at_home_and_away_from_others.pdf[/url])
The key line is
Quote<blockquote>●Travelling to and from work, but only where this absolutely cannot be done from home. </blockquote>However I am classed as an essential worker.
</blockquote>

And your essential work is?

Cick the link.  Read the guidance. 

I quote - again;
Quote
1. STAYING AT HOMEYou should only leave the house for one of four reasons.●Shoppingforbasicnecessities,forexamplefoodandmedicine,whichmustbeasinfrequentaspossible.●Oneformofexerciseaday,forexamplearun,walk,orcycle-aloneorwithmembersofyourhousehold.●Any medical need, or to provide care or to help a vulnerable person●Travelling to and from work, but only where this absolutely cannot be done from home
The critical sector list is to allow those key workers to continue to send their children to school.
The advice may change, it things continue to get worse, it may be only key workers continuing to travel to work.  That will include myslef - unless my employer sends me home.
   
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Post by: Gnasher on 24 March 2020, 11:24:09 AM
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they also don't have pay their tax bill for last years tax, which they should have put by and this the government assumes will give them access to cash
The government usually takes an advance payment of 2019 - 2020 tax in July 2020. All they have done is delay that until January 2021. So that doesn't give much benefit to the Self Employed at all, and certainly not their massive drop in earnings now.


I see, it is not acceptable to leave millions of SE in this position and those on zero hours.  After all this is over I really hope people start to think differently, there's too much of the "I'm alright jack" which governments can use to their advantage.

It's only when something like what is happening and everyone is effected, do we see not only how fragile we've become but how materialistic and selfish.  One good thing is the virus doesn't care where you live or how much money you've got, money won't necessarily save you, it might buy time.  That said I dare say those who've got these big yachts or their own Islands are now parked up off shore/locked down for the long haul.  But if any member of the crew/staff/owners/guests has it it will go through them like crap through a goose.

With little chance of escape, this tiny virus is a big leveller.       
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Post by: YamFazFan on 24 March 2020, 11:24:55 AM

The advice may change, it things continue to get worse, it may be only key workers continuing to travel to work.  That will include myslef - unless my employer sends me home.


+1. We've been defined as Key Essential Frontline Workers.
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 24 March 2020, 11:40:58 AM
 Does seem to be some confusion – yet again. :rolleyes
More informal, briefings are often featuring the word essential.
My mate says he’s had a text from the government and it uses the word essential.  My response is how do you verify a text?
But the document published on the government web site does not use the word essential. 
And documentation is what you go by at the end of the day.
 
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: fazersharp on 24 March 2020, 12:26:32 PM
Yes so far the SE have been left out of any help apart from you do not have to pay Julys tax until Jan.

 Julys payment is worked out on last years tax bill for the year (18-19 ), July 2020 is a payment on account for what your 19-20 will actually be, sort of half payment towards what your actual properly worked out tax bill will be for 19-20.     

I do not see how deferring Julys payment will help. The final payment in Jan will be based on your actual earnings for 19-20 but as your earnings have now gone through the floor your January tax final payment is most likely going to be covered by the payment you would of paid in July, so you can not use that Julys tax you have been putting by as you are going to need that to pay your final amount in Jan.

Any other benefits for the SE are means tested.

The gov needs to pay the same amount to the SE on the same basis of the PAYE which is up to £2500 pm, and based on last years earnings on a pro-rata basis for each effective lockdown week starting 1st March. 

As has been said that would be sweet justice for all those SE claiming they were only earning x amount when in fact they were earning xxxx amount but only told the tax man about x amount.
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: YamFazFan on 24 March 2020, 01:03:29 PM

Does seem to be some confusion – yet again. :rolleyes
More informal, briefings are often featuring the word essential.
My mate says he’s had a text from the government and it uses the word essential.  My response is how do you verify a text?
But the document published on the government web site does not use the word essential. 
And documentation is what you go by at the end of the day.


We got told at a briefing held, adhering to the social distancing rules I may add, by the management this morning. They used the term Essential Service mostly.
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: mtread on 24 March 2020, 02:04:31 PM
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The gov needs to pay the same amount to the SE on the same basis of the PAYE which is up to £2500 pm, and based on last years earnings on a pro-rata basis for each effective lockdown week starting 1st March.  As has been said that would be sweet justice for all those SE claiming they were only earning x amount when in fact they were earning xxxx amount but only told the tax man about x amount.

Absolutely. The government is claiming difficulty, but it isn't. They know who is self employed (they register as such). They know their NI numbers and they know how much profit they made last year from the tax return they submitted by the January 2020 deadline. How difficult is that. As for those not registering for tax, or taking cash in hand and not declaring enough income,well.....  :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: Gnasher on 24 March 2020, 02:19:50 PM
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The gov needs to pay the same amount to the SE on the same basis of the PAYE which is up to £2500 pm, and based on last years earnings on a pro-rata basis for each effective lockdown week starting 1st March.  As has been said that would be sweet justice for all those SE claiming they were only earning x amount when in fact they were earning xxxx amount but only told the tax man about x amount.

Absolutely. The government is claiming difficulty, but it isn't. They know who is self employed (they register as such). They know their NI numbers and they know how much profit they made last year from the tax return they submitted by the January 2020 deadline. How difficult is that. As for those not registering for tax, or taking cash in hand and not declaring enough income,well.....  :lol :lol :lol :lol



Yep, I think the issue here is who's going to do it!  They've cut HMRC/DWP/MOD/HHO to the bone, many other government Depts either no longer exist, or are contractors, it's the same with local authorities cut.  Many of these depts were set up during the wars and after to cater for serious issues, successive governments over 40 odds years have cut them.  In recent years they've been getting away with moving people from one Dept to another when things get bad, but now all the Depts are up to their necks and they just can't coupe with it all.  Especially as it all needs doing like now......... it's not happening, the government is writing cheques, they can't cash, in the time scales.


It's all coming home to roost, they're are running into their own catalogue of horrors!   
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: mtread on 24 March 2020, 02:24:30 PM
The Chancellor's statement a few minutes ago. It's pathetic. The solution is quite simple. Pay everybody enough to get by, then take it back in extra tax the following year from those where the declaration on their new tax return shows that they were earning enough not to need it. Jesus Christ, HMRC has gone to pot since I left! :

Looking at historic tax return data from a year-and-a-half ago gives absolutely no guide to whether someone today who is self-employed is in the situation that they are prosperous and indeed their income may be increasing versus someone who is not.

Of course I am sympathetic to those who are adversely affected by what is going on. is The issue is one of finding a way to target help at those, rather than having something that provides blanket cash subsidies to 5 million people, many of whom will not need it and will end up costing all of our constituents on modest incomes a considerable amount to pay.
So it’s about finding a way to target support on those who most need it and that is what is requiring time and thought.
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Post by: agricola on 24 March 2020, 02:59:46 PM
Quote
Quote from: VNA on 23 March 2020, 11:42:03 PM ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php?topic=25976.msg311023#msg311023[/url])<blockquote>Quote<blockquote>But only if you're an essential worker  </blockquote> That is not correct.
The official guidance is here
[url]https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/874714/Full_guidance_on_staying_at_home_and_away_from_others.pdf[/url] ([url]https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/874714/Full_guidance_on_staying_at_home_and_away_from_others.pdf[/url])
The key line is
Quote<blockquote>●Travelling to and from work, but only where this absolutely cannot be done from home. </blockquote>However I am classed as an essential worker.
</blockquote>

And your essential work is?

Cick the link.  Read the guidance. 

I quote - again;
Quote
1. STAYING AT HOMEYou should only leave the house for one of four reasons.●Shoppingforbasicnecessities,forexamplefoodandmedicine,whichmustbeasinfrequentaspossible.●Oneformofexerciseaday,forexamplearun,walk,orcycle-aloneorwithmembersofyourhousehold.●Any medical need, or to provide care or to help a vulnerable person●Travelling to and from work, but only where this absolutely cannot be done from home
The critical sector list is to allow those key workers to continue to send their children to school.
The advice may change, it things continue to get worse, it may be only key workers continuing to travel to work.  That will include myslef - unless my employer sends me home.
   



And your essential work is?
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Post by: BBROWN1664 on 24 March 2020, 03:01:08 PM
My Mrs works for Gatwick airport so is classified as an essential worker even though her main role has naff all to do with keeping the airport open. Her second role as one of the incident response teams "could" be seen as essential if an a/c goes down or something. That said she was lucky (if you can call it that) in being told she was being made redundant as of 6th June and handed all the paperwork in on Thursday before this all went mad. Hopefully she will sit around at home handing over her stuff online for a week or two more then sit around on gardening leave until June when the big payday occurs.

Me on the other hand normally work from home but my job is deemed essential due to the nature of my customers who are critical (not essential) according to the government. At the moment, its getting very quiet as the customer gradually shuts down so I may be sitting on my hands in a week or so.
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Post by: darrsi on 24 March 2020, 03:18:48 PM
Seems about right....

Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: YamFazFan on 24 March 2020, 03:45:42 PM

Jesus Christ, HMRC has gone to pot since I left!


Big Head :pokefun
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: mtread on 24 March 2020, 04:48:13 PM
Quote
Big Head

 :)  Not just me. As Gnasher pointed out, there's been as mass clear out within the Civil Service over the last few years, of the people who knew what to do. All fed up (like me) with 0% payrises for 7 years.
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 24 March 2020, 07:38:08 PM
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Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: vinnyb on 24 March 2020, 07:47:39 PM

The super rich are foccin' unbelievable.
  https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/coronavirus-fury-as-worlds-richest-man-jeff-bezos-asks-public-to-donate-to-amazon-relief-fund/ar-BB11E63u?ocid=spartanntp (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/coronavirus-fury-as-worlds-richest-man-jeff-bezos-asks-public-to-donate-to-amazon-relief-fund/ar-BB11E63u?ocid=spartanntp)
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: fazersharp on 24 March 2020, 08:08:25 PM

The super rich are foccin' unbelievable.
  https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/coronavirus-fury-as-worlds-richest-man-jeff-bezos-asks-public-to-donate-to-amazon-relief-fund/ar-BB11E63u?ocid=spartanntp (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/coronavirus-fury-as-worlds-richest-man-jeff-bezos-asks-public-to-donate-to-amazon-relief-fund/ar-BB11E63u?ocid=spartanntp)
"We are not and have not asked for donations and the Amazon Relief Fund has been funded by Amazon with an initial donation of $25 million. The structure to operate a fund like this, which hundreds of companies do through the same third-party, requires the program to be open to public contributions but we are not soliciting those contributions in any way,"

As you were
~ it's just click bate
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: vinnyb on 24 March 2020, 08:17:04 PM

The super rich are foccin' unbelievable.
  https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/coronavirus-fury-as-worlds-richest-man-jeff-bezos-asks-public-to-donate-to-amazon-relief-fund/ar-BB11E63u?ocid=spartanntp (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/coronavirus-fury-as-worlds-richest-man-jeff-bezos-asks-public-to-donate-to-amazon-relief-fund/ar-BB11E63u?ocid=spartanntp)
"We are not and have not asked for donations and the Amazon Relief Fund has been funded by Amazon with an initial donation of $25 million. The structure to operate a fund like this, which hundreds of companies do through the same third-party, requires the program to be open to public contributions but we are not soliciting those contributions in any way,"

As you were
~ it's just click bate

Oops, sorry Jeff.
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: fazersharp on 24 March 2020, 11:05:54 PM
Odd thing I have noticed is that we have heard about countries all over the world but I have not heard 1 thing about Russia.

It has been mentioned that in the EU countries now suffering badly they have the standard greeting of kissing on cheeks, sometimes 3 times. Hopefully that is part of the reason the UK will not completely follow those countries. They also have bigger households with extended families and elderly under the same roof.
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: coffee on 25 March 2020, 12:00:55 AM
Obviously not an important issue,but I'm doing some work on my house at the front and wondered if I can carry on ,I'm about 10/12 feet off the pavement,it's mainly woodwork and some painting.Didn't want to upset anyone is all.
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: Gnasher on 25 March 2020, 07:21:01 AM
Odd thing I have noticed is that we have heard about countries all over the world but I have not heard 1 thing about Russia.

It has been mentioned that in the EU countries now suffering badly they have the standard greeting of kissing on cheeks, sometimes 3 times. Hopefully that is part of the reason the UK will not completely follow those countries. They also have bigger households with extended families and elderly under the same roof.


There have been reports of the their usual methods of control media and shutting things down, people up, everything in Putin's Russian is perfect as we all know.  They claim they've been testing and have isolated all those testing positive and have it totally under control, basically the idea situation, one which no other country in the world has yet achieved. 


I think it's a safe assumption they are lying :rolleyes [size=78%]     [/size]
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: fazersharp on 25 March 2020, 08:37:34 AM
Obviously not an important issue,but I'm doing some work on my house at the front and wondered if I can carry on ,I'm about 10/12 feet off the pavement,it's mainly woodwork and some painting.Didn't want to upset anyone is all.
I think you will be fine, do it now before things change.
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 25 March 2020, 12:06:31 PM
 Yet another super rich dude, and big supporter of BREXIT turns out to be a total cunt.


ttps://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/wetherspoons-workers-hit-out-boss-tim-martin-outrageous-behaviour-a4396656.html

 
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Post by: fazersharp on 25 March 2020, 12:37:36 PM
A ligit way to ride your bike. Volunteer and opt for the transport of items between medical facilities.
   
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 25 March 2020, 12:41:02 PM
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A ligit way to ride your bike. Volunteer and opt for the transport of items between medical facilities.
Don't you think they'll take folks wi vans first - ya plumb. :lol
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 25 March 2020, 12:43:35 PM

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Post by: Gnasher on 25 March 2020, 12:54:37 PM
Yet another super rich dude, and big supporter of BREXIT turns out to be a total cunt.


ttps://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/wetherspoons-workers-hit-out-boss-tim-martin-outrageous-behaviour-a4396656.html


Sadly I think there will be a fair bit of this type of thing going on.  I don't use his pubs think I've only been in a handful of times and the last was many years ago.  I know they're popular with many due to pricing and I think it's fair to say they do offer good value.  That said it's very clear how it's run and what the priorities are money/profit above all, he/the business I'm sure could stand the staff's wages until the government assistance kicks.


Hopefully people will remember these acts post this crisis and vote with their feet.
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 25 March 2020, 03:18:48 PM
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Post by: Grahamm on 25 March 2020, 05:49:12 PM
Hopefully people will remember these acts post this crisis and vote with their feet.

The problem is that the staff are going to be the ones who suffer :(
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Post by: Grahamm on 25 March 2020, 05:51:16 PM
An important message from The Doctor...

https://www.facebook.com/DoctorWho/videos/297486197895052/ (https://www.facebook.com/DoctorWho/videos/297486197895052/)
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Post by: dazza on 25 March 2020, 07:01:26 PM
One for the resident snow flakes  :lol
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Post by: YamFazFan on 25 March 2020, 07:26:50 PM
Six-month emergency MOT extension announced...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52036333 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52036333)
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Post by: fazersharp on 25 March 2020, 09:00:07 PM
Here's a thought I don't think we will be anything like Italy or Spain apart from the kissing on cheeks we do not do, its because of our shitty weather we always have colds and flu and so already have an amount of immunity compared to those countries with the better weather all winter.
 I also think we will look back on this and see that the scientists got their numbers massively wrong, I keep seeing that chart and I cant help seeing a "hokey stick"  ;)
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Post by: coffee on 25 March 2020, 09:04:03 PM
Good ol' British optimism,ay? :lol
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 25 March 2020, 09:54:03 PM
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Post by: mtread on 25 March 2020, 10:31:08 PM
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I also think we will look back on this and see that the scientists got their numbers massively wrong, I keep seeing that chart and I cant help seeing a "hokey stick" 

What's a 'hokey stick'? Part of a 'hokey pokey stick? Will it turn around?  :lol
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 26 March 2020, 12:16:58 AM
 Meanwhile the news.


Boris fucking eediot Johnson staunds tae attention (quick take a picture I’m on the phone to the Queen) whilst on the tele tae the Queen, presumably tae discuss the maiter of hur wee laddie huvin contracted Covid19.  Much is made o the Queens auld fashioned tele.



Aye it’s the cannae fuckin thing tae dae, that is fleein tae the hielands, and eh presumably being royalty it doesnae matter if ye fell a few o they “rebellious Scots” as a result of yer inconsiderate selly actions.  Aye weil,ah least aw the scum in their caravans wur sent packin aforehaund. 



But here’s a wee message fae ye from wan local.  Prince Charles - why don’t you fuck off hame ye cunt.
 
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Post by: vinnyb on 26 March 2020, 01:18:20 AM
 Could you put your post through google translate before you post it because I can't understand a foccin' word your saying.
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Post by: vinnyb on 26 March 2020, 01:20:27 AM
Mind you it's probably anti-English bollocks anyway
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Post by: YamFazFan on 26 March 2020, 05:09:38 AM
The more you draw attention to it, the worse it gets I've noticed :groan
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Post by: Oldgit on 26 March 2020, 09:47:07 AM

Typical Scot chips on both shoulders and an attitude problem, VNA you are a complete embarrassment, when you find yourself in a hole stop digging ya eejit.
 
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Post by: YamFazFan on 26 March 2020, 10:00:17 AM

There's no need for the silly, cringy Scots mash-up speak, or whatever you'd call it, but there's nothing wrong with being proud of your nation.


Only trouble is, when it's South of the border he brands it racism :rolleyes
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 26 March 2020, 10:54:27 AM
 
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Typical Scot chips on both shoulders and an attitude problem, VNA you are a complete embarrassment, when you find yourself in a hole stop digging ya eejit.
Wait a foccin minute.  People are told no non-essential travel.  Hotels, B&B, hostels, and cottage lets are told to close down.  Caravaners are told they are selfish idiots, and ordered to turn around and head home.  People are told do not travel to your second homes.  Stay at home!


Our NHS staff, consultants, doctors, nurses, porters, cleaners etc are begging us to stay at home. Many of them, fearing they now have the virus themselves, are self-isolating at home, unable to return to work for a lack a Covid19 test.


Meanwhile, our Royal Fucking Wank, never mind that he ignored all the government advice before traveling to his bonnie Scottish estate, did not meet the criteria for being tested, but presumably Aberdeen NHS were ordered to travel out to his royal estate and test him.


I mean what the foc!  What the foccin foc!


I know who should be embarrassed, but then their grandiose sense of entitlement, puts them above the rules, and embarrassment is perhaps a concept that they struggle with.
 
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 26 March 2020, 11:00:32 AM
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There's no need for the silly, cringy Scots mash-up speak, or whatever you'd call it, but there's nothing wrong with being proud of your nation.
It's called Scots, and there now't cringy or mashed-up about it.
I don't do pride.
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Only trouble is, when it's South of the border he brands it racism
And I don't do nationalism.
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 26 March 2020, 11:00:56 AM
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 26 March 2020, 11:09:34 AM
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Post by: YamFazFan on 26 March 2020, 11:20:22 AM

I don't do pride.
I don't do nationalism.


 :guitar What do you do :guitar

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Post by: fazersharp on 26 March 2020, 11:31:44 AM

There's no need for the silly, cringy Scots mash-up speak, or whatever you'd call it,
Its called scotwah.
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Post by: agricola on 26 March 2020, 11:38:45 AM
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There's no need for the silly, cringy Scots mash-up speak, or whatever you'd call it, but there's nothing wrong with being proud of your nation.
It's called Scots, and there now't cringy or mashed-up about it.
I don't do pride.
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Only trouble is, when it's South of the border he brands it racism
And I don't do nationalism.


and this is why I cant take you seriously, because you always contradict yourself
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Post by: agricola on 26 March 2020, 11:42:09 AM
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Quote from: VNA on 23 March 2020, 11:42:03 PM ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php?topic=25976.msg311023#msg311023[/url])<blockquote>Quote<blockquote>But only if you're an essential worker  </blockquote> That is not correct.
The official guidance is here
[url]https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/874714/Full_guidance_on_staying_at_home_and_away_from_others.pdf[/url] ([url]https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/874714/Full_guidance_on_staying_at_home_and_away_from_others.pdf[/url])
The key line is
Quote<blockquote>●Travelling to and from work, but only where this absolutely cannot be done from home. </blockquote>However I am classed as an essential worker.
</blockquote>

And your essential work is?

Cick the link.  Read the guidance. 

I quote - again;
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1. STAYING AT HOMEYou should only leave the house for one of four reasons.●Shoppingforbasicnecessities,forexamplefoodandmedicine,whichmustbeasinfrequentaspossible.●Oneformofexerciseaday,forexamplearun,walk,orcycle-aloneorwithmembersofyourhousehold.●Any medical need, or to provide care or to help a vulnerable person●Travelling to and from work, but only where this absolutely cannot be done from home
The critical sector list is to allow those key workers to continue to send their children to school.
The advice may change, it things continue to get worse, it may be only key workers continuing to travel to work.  That will include myslef - unless my employer sends me home.
   



And your essential work is?



And your essential work is?
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Post by: fazersharp on 26 March 2020, 11:46:35 AM
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Quote from: VNA on 23 March 2020, 11:42:03 PM ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php?topic=25976.msg311023#msg311023[/url])<blockquote>Quote<blockquote>But only if you're an essential worker  </blockquote> That is not correct.
The official guidance is here
[url]https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/874714/Full_guidance_on_staying_at_home_and_away_from_others.pdf[/url] ([url]https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/874714/Full_guidance_on_staying_at_home_and_away_from_others.pdf[/url])
The key line is
Quote<blockquote>●Travelling to and from work, but only where this absolutely cannot be done from home. </blockquote>However I am classed as an essential worker.
</blockquote>

And your essential work is?

Cick the link.  Read the guidance. 

I quote - again;
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1. STAYING AT HOMEYou should only leave the house for one of four reasons.●Shoppingforbasicnecessities,forexamplefoodandmedicine,whichmustbeasinfrequentaspossible.●Oneformofexerciseaday,forexamplearun,walk,orcycle-aloneorwithmembersofyourhousehold.●Any medical need, or to provide care or to help a vulnerable person●Travelling to and from work, but only where this absolutely cannot be done from home
The critical sector list is to allow those key workers to continue to send their children to school.
The advice may change, it things continue to get worse, it may be only key workers continuing to travel to work.  That will include myslef - unless my employer sends me home.
   



And your essential work is?



And your essential work is?
There are so may quotes there I have lost track of who you are asking.
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Post by: fazersharp on 26 March 2020, 11:49:16 AM
The good news is that off-licences have been classed as essential.  8)
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 26 March 2020, 12:39:42 PM
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and this is why I cant take you seriously, because you always contradict yourself
No contradiction dude.
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Post by: Gnasher on 26 March 2020, 12:45:38 PM
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Typical Scot chips on both shoulders and an attitude problem, VNA you are a complete embarrassment, when you find yourself in a hole stop digging ya eejit.
Wait a foccin minute.  People are told no non-essential travel.  Hotels, B&B, hostels, and cottage lets are told to close down.  Caravaners are told they are selfish idiots, and ordered to turn around and head home.  People are told do not travel to your second homes.  Stay at home!


Our NHS staff, consultants, doctors, nurses, porters, cleaners etc are begging us to stay at home. Many of them, fearing they now have the virus themselves, are self-isolating at home, unable to return to work for a lack a Covid19 test.


Meanwhile, our Royal Fucking Wank, never mind that he ignored all the government advice before traveling to his bonnie Scottish estate, did not meet the criteria for being tested, but presumably Aberdeen NHS were ordered to travel out to his royal estate and test him.


I mean what the foc!  What the foccin foc!


I know who should be embarrassed, but then their grandiose sense of entitlement, puts them above the rules, and embarrassment is perhaps a concept that they struggle with.


You do have a point mate.

I did wonder the same thing myself.  I think it's because, HM is in Windsor and him being the next in line should be in the same place etc but Balmoral is questionable.  He does have 4 homes none of which include Balmoral, his home in London is Clarence House, round the corner from Buck House,  with three others, Highgrove House in Gloucestershire, Llwynywermod Carmarthenshire and finally Birkhall.


The latter is in the grounds of Balmoral, I think we'll find he's staying at Birkhall and Jonny media has done it's normal and not got all it's facts straight.  I also think Birkhall is the smallest of his residences, in which case will have little or possibly no staff (except security), thus protecting his work force i.e. they can go home and lock down like the rest of us.

Yes he could have stayed in London but the house is large and would need staffing, so although it looks like he's playing the 'Royal Wank' as you put it
I don't think he is.  Royal Protocol would in situations like this, force him to distance himself from HM, let alone the social distancing of a high risk (over 90) person, other residences ruled out for the above mentioned, leaves Birkhall.  This being his home he's initialled to health care, they probably did go to him as for him to go there would mean security, putting those at risk and all pilling in to the hospital, with all the upset that would cause, something the Doctors/nurses don't need right now.

It's far cheaper and better the nurse hops in a car and visit him, test, hop back, simples. 

Well that's my take on it.

Yes we could all go down the route of why's he got 4 house etc etc, like it or not he's the Prince of Wales.  I'd be more interested in the like of Branson, Green, Mr Amazon and alike i.e sitting on private Islands while they force their staff to take couple months unpaid leave (may have changed now to to PAYE 80% package, I hope so) or sitting on his Mrs Yacht as everything's in her name, I've no idea about Mr Amazon. 
       
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 26 March 2020, 12:49:34 PM
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Post by: YamFazFan on 26 March 2020, 01:00:07 PM


There's no need for the silly, cringy Scots mash-up speak, or whatever you'd call it,
Its called scotwah.


I think he's speaking in the Jockular ;)
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Post by: YamFazFan on 26 March 2020, 01:22:29 PM

No contradiction dude.


 :rollin :rollin :rollin
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Post by: fazersharp on 26 March 2020, 02:02:12 PM
So > look up what do you see, perfect blue sky. We have gone from constant rain and grey for weeks on end. The evidence above your head. I will refer you to my post last year.


   
I remember in the early 80s being taught that we were heading for another ice age and indeed the records show that we are over due for one. At that time there was serious talk by governments to control climate to prevent the onset of an ice age by using aircraft to spray in the atmosphere.What about if it has run out of control and they are now using aircraft to spray to try and cut down the sunlight and your Co2 tax is funding it.   
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Post by: mtread on 26 March 2020, 02:49:21 PM
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Yes we could all go down the route of why's he got 4 house etc etc, like it or not he's the Prince of Wales.  I'd be more interested in the like of Branson, Green, Mr Amazon and alike i.e sitting on private Islands while they force their staff to take couple months unpaid leave (may have changed now to to PAYE 80% package, I hope so) or sitting on his Mrs Yacht as everything's in her name, I've no idea about Mr Amazon. 
I think the point being made, is why should Charlie boy be able to flout all the rules, and get special treatment? How many people are going to say fuck it, if he can do it why can't I? How about leading by example.
As to Branson, Green and Co, how about Mr Brexshit Tim Martin of Wetherspoons, who thinks the pubs shouldn't shut, then sacks all his staff as soon as they do, and refuses to pay his suppliers. The man is a disgrace, if he wasn't already.
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 26 March 2020, 02:53:21 PM
 

 
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No10 confirms that UK is not taking part in EU initiative to bulk buy ventilators and other equipment needed to tackle coronavirus. Asked why, Boris Johnson’s spokesman says: “We are not a member of the EU.”
Ben Kentish LBC.




So whilst we continue as a member of the single market during the transition period, it appears that My Johnson is putting BREXIT before breathing.

Meanwhile UK firms that actually make ventilators are being ignored by the government whilst BREXIT supporting manufactures such as Dyson, who make vacuum cleaners and hair dryers, but have yet to produce one single ventilator, have signed a contract with the government to produce 15,000 ventilators. 
 
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 26 March 2020, 02:55:30 PM
The EU has conformed that governments duty is to saving lives not to political ideology.
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Post by: Gnasher on 26 March 2020, 03:39:00 PM
I think the point being made, is why should Charlie boy be able to flout all the rules, and get special treatment?


That's just it he hasn't, he when up to Birkhall soon after 12 March long before the lock down.  He's got four homes, the other three are big and require various levels of staffing, which puts them at risk having to do non essential work.  Buy choosing his smallest home he's allowing as many staff as possible to go home.   As for special treatment, what?  The reason they'd have went to him rather than him to to them is for something like the reasons I outlined, again saving staffing.  All he had was a test, as does everyone who presents symptoms after 7 days.   


We can't change he is who he is and must accept whether we like it or not he requires levels of protection and that will cause issues.  Outside of an emergency Royals never just walk into NHS hospitals, this isn't an emergency.     
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 26 March 2020, 04:15:03 PM
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All he had was a test, as does everyone who presents symptoms after 7 days.
 
He did not meet the current criteria for a test. 



Hospitals are struggling for suitably skilled staff at this time, as many are off sick as they are displaying possible symptoms of Covid19.  They are unable to get a test and have to self-isolate, despite the fact they may well be in fact fit to return to work.


 
People on holiday in the highlands have had their breaks interrupted, needlessly I would say, and been asked to return home.
 
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Post by: vinnyb on 26 March 2020, 04:21:32 PM
 The concept of being a Royal means you get special treatment, if they got the same as everyone else they wouldn't be Royal. That's the way it is and always has been. Like it or not, you very clearly don't.
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Post by: mtread on 26 March 2020, 04:47:43 PM
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Post by: mtread on 26 March 2020, 04:49:28 PM
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The concept of being a Royal means you get special treatment, if they got the same as everyone else they wouldn't be Royal. That's the way it is and always has been. Like it or not, you very clearly don't.
Nope, I and many others don't like it.
I demand a referendum!  :)
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Post by: YamFazFan on 26 March 2020, 04:58:42 PM
I demand a referendum!  :)
I think we both know what way that would, thankfully, go don't we :) .


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Post by: mtread on 26 March 2020, 05:35:24 PM
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I think we both know what way that would, thankfully, go don't we .

Don't be too sure. That's what (we/you) said about Brexit. Most of the royal family are currently an embarrassment.


On another point, applause for Rishi Sunak in respect of his deal for the self employed  :thumbup



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Post by: Gnasher on 26 March 2020, 05:55:13 PM
He did not meet the current criteria for a test.


Yes he did, if you go to hospital after 7 days they'll test you.  The only reason he didn't go to a hospital was I believe for the reasons given.   



Hospitals are struggling for suitably skilled staff at this time, as many are off sick as they are displaying possible symptoms of Covid19.  They are unable to get a test and have to self-isolate, despite the fact they may well be in fact fit to return to work.

Yes it's the same for everyone pre 7 days, as they simply don't have enough and the current test is slow, the new test is faster.  Now the real debate is why don't they have enough?

One of the biggest mistakes the Chinese made was not to test, their med staff, we've (the world) has known that getting on for few months now and we did nothing.  As with much of this governments actions it's been all too late and playing catch up, others are doing the very same just look at the US! 


People on holiday in the highlands have had their breaks interrupted, needlessly I would say, and been asked to return home.

Holiday says it all, they don't live there.  The local infrastructure would be totally overwhelmed in days! Plus they're potentially spreading/shedding the virus, remember the viral load.     
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Post by: YamFazFan on 26 March 2020, 05:59:22 PM

On another point, applause for Rishi Sunak in respect of his deal for the self employed  :thumbup

Shhh, don't let VNA hear you say that! :eek
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Post by: mtread on 26 March 2020, 06:06:23 PM
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Shhh, don't let VNA hear you say that!

Credit where credit is due. As I've said before, no party is all good or all bad, it's a matter of balance. Oh apart from the Brexit and UKIP parties. They can just foc off  :)


Brilliant statement from Sunak, 'and those self employed we don't know about, there's nothing we can do for you'. Superb  :lol
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Post by: YamFazFan on 26 March 2020, 06:10:38 PM

Brilliant statement from Sunak, 'and those self employed we don't know about, there's nothing we can do for you'. Superb  :lol

:lol
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 26 March 2020, 06:18:03 PM
 
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Yes he did, if you go to hospital after 7 days they'll test you.  The only reason he didn't go to a hospital was I believe for the reasons given.   

 
 
NHS Scotland does not recommended you go to hospital.  In fact they ask that you not go to hositpal, that is except in the most exceptional of circumstances.  Charlie, we are told has mild symptoms.
 
 
 
NHS Scotland states for those with symptoms  -
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you must stay at home for 7 days from when your symptoms began.

If your symptoms become severe then call your GP or 111.
 
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Holiday says it all, they don't live there.

Some folks in cottages and self-catering accommodation where asked to leave and go home last week.  Just a wee bit OTT.
 
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One of the biggest mistakes the Chinese made was not to test, their med staff, we've (the world) has known that getting on for few months now and we did nothing.  As with much of this governments actions it's been all too late and playing catch up, others are doing the very same just look at the US!

Totally agree with you.
 
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Post by: fazersharp on 26 March 2020, 06:21:07 PM
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On another point, applause for Rishi Sunak in respect of his deal for the self employed  :thumbup



He was clearly listening to me.


The gov needs to pay the same amount to the SE on the same basis of the PAYE which is up to £2500 pm, and based on last years earnings on a pro-rata basis for each effective lockdown week starting 1st March. 
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Post by: Dudeofrude on 26 March 2020, 06:22:23 PM
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I think we both know what way that would, thankfully, go don't we .

Don't be too sure. That's what (we/you) said about Brexit. Most of the royal family are currently an embarrassment.


On another point, applause for Rishi Sunak in respect of his deal for the self employed  :thumbup






Don't get me wrong I'm happy to get help... but the fact that we have to wait until June then claim it back is just a piss take!
I have to survive for over 2 more months with 0 income!
I understand there are complexities but for those of us who are honest and have filed our forms and paid our taxes it couldn't be simpler.... I can bring my last 6 years tax returns up on HMRC website and workout what 80% of my average income is on less than 5 minutes... so why is it gonna take the government ( who hold of this data ) nearly 3 months?

Luckily being married to a nurse means we have a household income still so the majority of the bills will still get paid but I'd like to know what they expect other people in worse situations to do 🤷‍♂️
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Post by: mtread on 26 March 2020, 06:39:22 PM
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He was clearly listening to me.[/size]

Quote from: fazersharp on 24 March 2020, 12:26:32 PM ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php?topic=25976.msg311050#msg311050[/url])The gov needs to pay the same amount to the SE on the same basis of the PAYE which is up to £2500 pm, and based on last years earnings on a pro-rata basis for each effective lockdown week starting 1st March.

If he was listening to you....... why are you delaying it until June?  :pokefun
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Post by: mtread on 26 March 2020, 06:43:23 PM
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Luckily being married to a nurse means we have a household income still so the majority of the bills will still get paid but I'd like to know what they expect other people in worse situations to do 🤷‍♂️
They've said they expect the banks to loan them the money for 3 months.
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Post by: BBROWN1664 on 26 March 2020, 06:44:25 PM
How many self-employed people are now wishing they hadnt fiddled their books? :pokefun

I am sure they will still be better off when you look at their real earnings (and government help) over a number of years but they may be in for a financial shock over the next few months
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Post by: BBROWN1664 on 26 March 2020, 06:45:23 PM

They've said they expect the banks to loan them the money for 3 months.
Add to that, they wont be paying their tax this quarter so should have some money in the bank to tide them over a bit
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Post by: Gnasher on 26 March 2020, 06:48:10 PM
NHS Scotland does not recommended you go to hospital.  In fact they ask that you not go to hositpal, that is except in the most exceptional of circumstances.  Charlie, we are told has mild symptoms.

I said after 7 days, and I have doubt little he would have been, they aren't going to blatantly break the rules it's too easy to check.  After that you ring 111 they then tell you where to go and get tested.  If you have it they monitor you, HRH at the moment has got mid symptoms and will be monitored, if it gets worse to a point he needs ventilating they will admit him, same as you or I.  I don't believe at the moment his private hospital has an ITU he, will have to be treated by the NHS. 
 

NHS Scotland states for those with symptoms  you must stay at home for 7 days from when your symptoms began.
 
If your symptoms become severe then call your GP or 111.


See above
 


Some folks in cottages and self-catering accommodation where asked to leave and go home last week.  Just a wee bit OTT.

No, as stated, if any got ill the local NHS couldn't handle it, plus they're are spreading, the lock down should have happen weeks ago!

We're facing a crisis not seen in living memory. This virus has hit the world at speeds never seen before, people are dying within days of contracting it in their 1000's probably millions when it gets going in India, Africa, South America. 

These idiots wanted to go on holiday, WTF are they on!   
 

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Post by: mtread on 26 March 2020, 07:02:49 PM
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Add to that, they wont be paying their tax this quarter so should have some money in the bank to tide them over a bit
Under Self Assessment they pay tax every 6 months. Next advance payment wasn't due until end of July
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 26 March 2020, 07:20:47 PM
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Quote from: mtread on Today at 05:35:24 PM
 
 
    On another point, applause for Rishi Sunak in respect of his deal for the self employed  :thumbup
 
Shhh, don't let VNA hear you say that!

VNA has to be honest, I struggle to get my head round the financial implications of all this, and indeed how to deal with it.  I accept that we must not allow our NHS to become overwhelmed, and everything possible should be done no matter the cost.
 
I know little of Rishi Sunak.  The manner in which Sajid Javid left was most worry some, and Sunak appears to have been dropped in as Johnson’s yes man.   But he doesn’t come across as your usual arrogant Tory dummy, I’m not convinced he’ll be a yes man in the long run.  Though there are concerns over his hedge fund management past.


Anyway, I struggle with the scale of this, and I’m not up to speed on it, but if it has been agreed with the Trade Unions and opposition then so be it.


In the long term, it’s how do we recover from this?  I’m afraid that perhaps Sunak will have to follow up his emergency socialist budgets with socialist tax increases – and maybe turn the screw on those tax dodging capitalist Hedge Funds – that could prove tricky. 
 
 
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Post by: agricola on 26 March 2020, 07:31:51 PM
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Quote from: VNA on 23 March 2020, 11:42:03 PM ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php?topic=25976.msg311023#msg311023[/url])<blockquote>Quote<blockquote>But only if you're an essential worker  </blockquote> That is not correct.
The official guidance is here
[url]https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/874714/Full_guidance_on_staying_at_home_and_away_from_others.pdf[/url] ([url]https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/874714/Full_guidance_on_staying_at_home_and_away_from_others.pdf[/url])
The key line is
Quote<blockquote>●Travelling to and from work, but only where this absolutely cannot be done from home. </blockquote>However I am classed as an essential worker.
</blockquote>

And your essential work is?

Cick the link.  Read the guidance. 

I quote - again;
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1. STAYING AT HOMEYou should only leave the house for one of four reasons.●Shoppingforbasicnecessities,forexamplefoodandmedicine,whichmustbeasinfrequentaspossible.●Oneformofexerciseaday,forexamplearun,walk,orcycle-aloneorwithmembersofyourhousehold.●Any medical need, or to provide care or to help a vulnerable person●Travelling to and from work, but only where this absolutely cannot be done from home
The critical sector list is to allow those key workers to continue to send their children to school.
The advice may change, it things continue to get worse, it may be only key workers continuing to travel to work.  That will include myslef - unless my employer sends me home.
   



And your essential work is?



And your essential work is?
There are so may quotes there I have lost track of who you are asking.



The Scottish nationalist who doesn't do nationalism :lol
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Post by: mtread on 26 March 2020, 07:35:54 PM
Just to change direction, here's something to look forward to.......
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 26 March 2020, 07:38:05 PM
 
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I said after 7 days, and I have doubt little he would have been, they aren't going to blatantly break the rules it's too easy to check.  After that you ring 111 they then tell you where to go and get tested.  If you have it they monitor you, HRH at the moment has got mid symptoms and will be monitored, if it gets worse to a point he needs ventilating they will admit him, same as you or I.  I don't believe at the moment his private hospital has an ITU he, will have to be treated by the NHS. 

If you go to hospital with mild symptoms after 7 days they will send you home with a flea in your ear.


You will not be tested – you will not be monitored – you will be told to stay at home and rest.
 
His foccin Royal Highness did not meet the NHS Scotland criteria for a Covid19 test.
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These idiots wanted to go on holiday, WTF are they on! 
I’m talking about people in self-catering accommodation last week, whom had booked weeks or months ago. 
 
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Post by: Gnasher on 26 March 2020, 08:32:21 PM
If you go to hospital with mild symptoms after 7 days they will send you home with a flea in your ear.

You will not be tested – you will not be monitored – you will be told to stay at home and rest.

Wrong....... if you self isolate and still have symptoms after 7 days then after calling 111 and they assess you need a test they will test you, in his case that must have happened or they wouldn't have tested him.  If after having the test and them assessing you don't require direct medical help they'll send you home and monitor you, not in the physical sense by way of you contacting them if you get worse.  If they don't test you after the 7 days self isolation and you've got Covid19 all that will happen is you infect more people!  Now that would be sense wouldn't it.
 

His foccin Royal Highness did not meet the NHS Scotland criteria for a Covid19 test.


Yes he did or they wouldn't have tested him, do you think Nicola Fish (SNP) is going to allow the English Royalty to abuse the Scottish NHS without screaming.................. not bloody likely!  And if they have and she finds out she no doubt will..............we'll just have to wait and see.     




I’m talking about people in self-catering accommodation last week, whom had booked weeks or months ago.


So what, the time scale that they booked has no bearing.  The situation had changed, so should have they, disappointing but hay get on with it, people are dying. 
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 26 March 2020, 08:38:31 PM
 
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The Scottish nationalist who doesn't do nationalism :lol
The Scottish campaign for Independence is not a nationalist movement.  It is an inclusive moment. 
There are Scottish nationalists but I am not one of them, I do however thirst for and believe in Scottish independence.
 
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 26 March 2020, 08:49:30 PM
 
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if you self isolate and still have symptoms after 7 days then after calling 111 and they assess you
 
Yes correct.  That is exactly what I have been saying. :thumbup
 
HRH had mild symptoms – he did not meet the current criteria for testing.  He was tested because he is royalty.  Go and check the Scottish NHS web site.

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If after having the test and them assessing you don't require direct medical help they'll send you home and monitor you,
Currently with NHS Scotland you’ll only get tested after 24hrs in hospital.  HRH was not in hospital for 24hrs.  He was at home with mild symptoms.


 Y
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es he did or they wouldn't have tested him, do you think Nicola Fish (SNP) is going to allow the English Royalty to abuse the Scottish NHS without screaming.................. not bloody likely!  And if they have and she finds out she no doubt will..............we'll just have to wait and see.     
What I will tell you is that she will not be rocking the boat on this one.  The SNP will defend HRH to the hilt.

 
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Post by: fazersharp on 26 March 2020, 09:00:14 PM
How many self-employed people are now wishing they hadnt fiddled their books? :pokefun

I am sure they will still be better off when you look at their real earnings (and government help) over a number of years but they may be in for a financial shock over the next few months
A reminder that it is not all self employed, just the ones who have lost out because of the virus, but I do not know how it will be worked out. Say you are a self employed super market trolley repairer you have still got work.
Perhaps they will go by what you say your business is that you write on the self assessment.
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Post by: Gnasher on 26 March 2020, 09:05:40 PM

Currently with NHS Scotland you’ll only get tested after 24hrs in hospital.  HRH was not in hospital for 24hrs.  He was at home with mild symptoms.


As stated earlier HRH truning up for a test is just not happening for reasons stated, admitting him for 24hrs is an even worse scenario.   




The SNP will defend HRH to the hilt.


Something they're are doing right then  :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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Post by: BBROWN1664 on 26 March 2020, 09:06:04 PM
A reminder that it is not all self employed, just the ones who have lost out because of the virus, but I do not know how it will be worked out. Say you are a self employed super market trolley repairer you have still got work.
Perhaps they will go by what you say your business is that you write on the self assessment.
I dont think that would work. For example, my brother in law is a graphic designer who is sat at home with no work as all of his customers have closed down but if his customer was the NHS, or Netflix etc that are spending money on advertising still, he would not be sat at home with no work.
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 26 March 2020, 09:12:13 PM
As stated earlier HRH truning up for a test is just not happening for reasons stated, admitting him for 24hrs is an even worse scenario.

He had mild symptons.  No action was required - other than self isolation - preferably at home -  and not at your highland bolt hole.    He did not meet the NHS Scotland critieria for a test.   HRH was tested because he is HRH. 
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Post by: Fazian on 26 March 2020, 09:18:19 PM
HRH was tested because he is HRH.



And because it gets a message to the masses that not even he can escape this so stay in your bloody homes!!!
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 26 March 2020, 09:34:24 PM
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HRH was tested because he is HRH.



And because it gets a message to the masses that not even he can escape this so stay in your bloody homes!!!

Indeed.  Though one is allowed out for a walk once a day. And next week I've got work to go to.
Today's walk;
(http://www.photoecosse.net/fazerforum/2020/P1003296.jpg)
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Post by: Fazian on 26 March 2020, 10:18:12 PM
lucky man  :thumbup
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 26 March 2020, 10:28:42 PM
 
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lucky man 

Well, I guess.  Weather outlook up north and snow conditions look perfect.  Ah well.

But yeah, I can get out my house and I’ve got no bad options from my doorstep. 
Tonight’s stats look worry some – time tae hud ontae oor bunnets.  :eek
 
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 26 March 2020, 10:34:23 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUEW-1mXsAAk-aC?format=jpg&name=small)
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Post by: Gnasher on 26 March 2020, 10:59:58 PM
As stated earlier HRH truning up for a test is just not happening for reasons stated, admitting him for 24hrs is an even worse scenario.

He had mild symptons.  No action was required - other than self isolation - preferably at home -  and not at your highland bolt hole.    He did not meet the NHS Scotland critieria for a test.   HRH was tested because he is HRH.


He is at home................... end of.
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 26 March 2020, 11:17:19 PM
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He is at home................... end of.
That's great news.  It's good to hear he has done the right thing and returned home to England. :)
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Post by: mtread on 26 March 2020, 11:21:20 PM
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A reminder that it is not all self employed, just the ones who have lost out because of the virus, but I do not know how it will be worked out. Say you are a self employed super market trolley repairer you have still got work.Perhaps they will go by what you say your business is that you write on the self assessment.

Nope, all self employed will get it, whether they are still working or not. That was the dilemma and reason for the delay. HMRC has no way of knowing who is still working normally, who is working but making less profit, and who isn't working at all. They've gone for the only feasible option, to give it to all. The limit of £2500 per month, and nothing for earners over £50k is to stop it getting too much. Oh and it'll be taxed, so you won't actually get £2500.
Of course, what happens when eventually they look at people's 2020/21 Tax Returns, is another matter....
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Post by: mtread on 26 March 2020, 11:23:30 PM
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He is at home................... end of.
He has cleared off to his second home (paid for by us) like everyone was told not to.
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Post by: Gnasher on 26 March 2020, 11:27:45 PM
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He is at home................... end of.
He has cleared off to his second home (paid for by us) like everyone was told not to.


Nope......... he's got four  :rolleyes   and if you read my first on this your see why I think he did. 
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Post by: mtread on 26 March 2020, 11:34:13 PM
OK, he's staying in his second home..... out of 4 (all paid for by us)  :)
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 26 March 2020, 11:38:24 PM
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Quote<blockquote> He is at home................... end of.</blockquote>He has cleared off to his second home (paid for by us) like everyone was told not to.
:agree
The NHS Scotland have very limited supplies of Covid19 tests.  HRH did not meet the requirements for testing - yet he was tested.

NHS Scotland, I understand, hope to very soon increase availability of, both of the Covid19 test and the antibody test.

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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 26 March 2020, 11:48:23 PM
 https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
 
Meanwhile this thing is growing legs.  The UK stats are extremely worry some. 
Don’t forget, we have a government that has failed to plan for an event the world has feared since the last pandemic.
We have a government whose original plan was to let us have it.
The stats for the USA, state by state, who have done even less than the UK, look terrifying.
I just hope our fairly stringent, but late action, is enough – we’ll soon know.
 
But hey as long as HRH has been tested and is safely in his highland bolt hole.  Hey if he’s spreadin it aboot a bit, well, the highlands are sparsely populated, and as the anthem goes;
 
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Lord, grant that Marshal Wade,
May by thy mighty aid,
Victory bring.
May he sedition hush,
and like a torrent rush,
Rebellious Scots to crush,
God save the King.
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Post by: mtread on 27 March 2020, 12:04:48 AM
And the trouble is, we can't join in with the EU purchase of ventilators because we're no longer part of the EU.
Oh hang on, no it's because we missed the deadline.
No no, it's because we're not part of the EU.
No no no it's because we missed the deadline.


And so it goes on. Meanwhile, we do not have enough ventilators 😞
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 27 March 2020, 12:18:47 AM
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And the trouble is, we can't join in with the EU purchase of ventilators because we're no longer part of the EU.
Oh hang on, no it's because we missed the deadline.
No no, it's because we're not part of the EU.
No no no it's because we missed the deadline.

Or is it because our Prime Minister has prioritised political ideology. :\
 
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And so it goes on. Meanwhile, we do not have enough ventilators 😞

But not to worry our PM has had a bright idea. :)



Why not, rather than do a deal with those who currently manufacture ventilators in the UK to get them running at full speed round the clock, you know I mean, how dumb is that. :evil



Far better to prioritise political ideology and place orders with those who supported BREXIT – who cares if they have never made anything like it before. :evil :evil



You know BREXIT – fine – you will just get poorer – but now people will die.




I don’t vote Tory, I’ve never voted Tory, and I never ever ever will vote Tory. :'(
 
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Post by: YamFazFan on 27 March 2020, 07:43:11 AM


I don’t vote Tory, I’ve never voted Tory, and I never ever ever will vote Tory. :'(


I think you may have told us that once or twice previously :z



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Post by: Gnasher on 27 March 2020, 07:43:22 AM
OK, he's staying in his second home..... out of 4 (all paid for by us)  :)


To some extent yes, but that isn't relevant with the discussion, now is it. 

Now if you want to talk/discuss blatant abuse of position/money whatever you want to call it during this crisis, lets look at this bint https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymail.co.uk%2Ftvshowbiz%2Farticle-3194488%2FSEBASTIAN-SHAKESPEARE-Kirstie-sleep-Davina-s-hubby.html&psig=AOvVaw1NayQ5N1pQUxYzRCT4z04b&ust=1585380938465000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAIQjRxqFwoTCIjZ7bOSuugCFQAAAAAdAAAAABAD (https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymail.co.uk%2Ftvshowbiz%2Farticle-3194488%2FSEBASTIAN-SHAKESPEARE-Kirstie-sleep-Davina-s-hubby.html&psig=AOvVaw1NayQ5N1pQUxYzRCT4z04b&ust=1585380938465000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAIQjRxqFwoTCIjZ7bOSuugCFQAAAAAdAAAAABAD)


Buggers off from her boyfriend who she lives with, as soon has he tests positive and legs it to her second home in Devon, now this is totally taking the piss :2guns :2guns :2guns


Hopefully the police will pay her a visit and fine her and kick her out of Devon the latter won't happen but it should.
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Post by: YamFazFan on 27 March 2020, 07:45:20 AM

  HRH was tested because he is HRH.


I think you may have told...oh you get the drift :z
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Post by: Dudeofrude on 27 March 2020, 07:53:19 AM
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A reminder that it is not all self employed, just the ones who have lost out because of the virus, but I do not know how it will be worked out. Say you are a self employed super market trolley repairer you have still got work.Perhaps they will go by what you say your business is that you write on the self assessment.

Nope, all self employed will get it, whether they are still working or not. That was the dilemma and reason for the delay. HMRC has no way of knowing who is still working normally, who is working but making less profit, and who isn't working at all. They've gone for the only feasible option, to give it to all. The limit of £2500 per month, and nothing for earners over £50k is to stop it getting too much. Oh and it'll be taxed, so you won't actually get £2500.
Of course, what happens when eventually they look at people's 2020/21 Tax Returns, is another matter....


I didnt think it would be taxed? Hence it being 80% ie 100% minus 20% tax??
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Post by: fazersharp on 27 March 2020, 08:06:38 AM
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A reminder that it is not all self employed, just the ones who have lost out because of the virus, but I do not know how it will be worked out. Say you are a self employed super market trolley repairer you have still got work.Perhaps they will go by what you say your business is that you write on the self assessment.

Nope, all self employed will get it, whether they are still working or not. That was the dilemma and reason for the delay. HMRC has no way of knowing who is still working normally, who is working but making less profit, and who isn't working at all. They've gone for the only feasible option, to give it to all. The limit of £2500 per month, and nothing for earners over £50k is to stop it getting too much. Oh and it'll be taxed, so you won't actually get £2500.
Of course, what happens when eventually they look at people's 2020/21 Tax Returns, is another matter....


I didnt think it would be taxed? Hence it being 80% ie 100% minus 20% tax??
It is a bit weird (sneaky) how its done because on the one hand yes its replacing the lost income pro rota average ect so that's right its taxable as it would be as if it were income.
 But hang on - the amount paid is worked out on PROFITS - that's profits that you have made after tax and allowances. So they are working it out on income that has already been taxed. If they are going to tax the payments then it should be worked out on turnover and then tax it.   
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Post by: fazersharp on 27 March 2020, 08:15:31 AM

To some extent yes, but that isn't relevant with the discussion, now is it. 

Now if you want to talk/discuss blatant abuse of position/money whatever you want to call it during this crisis, lets look at this bint https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymail.co.uk%2Ftvshowbiz%2Farticle-3194488%2FSEBASTIAN-SHAKESPEARE-Kirstie-sleep-Davina-s-hubby.html&psig=AOvVaw1NayQ5N1pQUxYzRCT4z04b&ust=1585380938465000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAIQjRxqFwoTCIjZ7bOSuugCFQAAAAAdAAAAABAD (https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymail.co.uk%2Ftvshowbiz%2Farticle-3194488%2FSEBASTIAN-SHAKESPEARE-Kirstie-sleep-Davina-s-hubby.html&psig=AOvVaw1NayQ5N1pQUxYzRCT4z04b&ust=1585380938465000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAIQjRxqFwoTCIjZ7bOSuugCFQAAAAAdAAAAABAD)
Buggers off from her boyfriend who she lives with, as soon has he tests positive and legs it to her second home in Devon, now this is totally taking the piss :2guns :2guns :2guns
Hopefully the police will pay her a visit and fine her and kick her out of Devon the latter won't happen but it should.
Not a fan of that woman but your link just leads to click bait with fake headlines "
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Post by: Gnasher on 27 March 2020, 08:30:38 AM
Not a fan of that woman but your link just leads to click bait with fake headlines "


Sorry about the link and the click bait,  ;)   But I think you'll get what the point is.
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Post by: fazersharp on 27 March 2020, 08:55:56 AM
Quote<blockquote>●Travelling to and from work, but only where this absolutely cannot be done from home. </blockquote>However I am classed as an essential worker.
And your essential work is?
If VNA wants to keep it private then that is his right so I will not divulge. But I know what it is because he has said so on this forum in an older post. And I would say that it would be fair to say his job is essential. 
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Post by: YamFazFan on 27 March 2020, 09:34:15 AM
He's probably barred from revealing it in all likelihood.
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Post by: BBROWN1664 on 27 March 2020, 10:02:50 AM
But I know what it is because he has said so on this forum in an older post. And I would say that it would be fair to say his job is essential.  [/color]

IIRC, I can remember what it is too and anyone who argues it is not essential would soon complain if he and his colleagues didn't go to work.
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Post by: fazersharp on 27 March 2020, 10:03:47 AM
Quote<blockquote>●Travelling to and from work, but only where this absolutely cannot be done from home. </blockquote>However I am classed as an essential worker.
And your essential work is?
If VNA wants to keep it private then that is his right so I will not divulge. But I know what it is because he has said so on this forum in an older post. And I would say that it would be fair to say his job is essential. 
Minister for scotish public relations  :rollin :rollin
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Post by: steve 10562cc on 27 March 2020, 10:11:30 AM
I'm not a fan of VNA but like Fazersharp I all so read that same post as him and yes he is an essential. Carry on feller we are all safer for you doing it.
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Post by: mtread on 27 March 2020, 10:14:27 AM
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But hang on - the amount paid is worked out on PROFITS - that's profits that you have made after tax and allowances. So they are working it out on income that has already been taxed. If they are going to tax the payments then it should be worked out on turnover and then tax it.   
No profits is turnover minus business expenses (ie materials, travel etc) before tax and NI. As declared on the Self Assessment Return.


Are you sure you advised Sunak?  ;)
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 27 March 2020, 11:03:40 AM
 
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He's probably barred from revealing it in all likelihood.
It’s confusing.  We are told to be ‘proud’ of the ‘essential’ work we do, and I get the impression they want us to promote the company.  But then the next minute they warn us about discussing our work online and company confidentiality and all that. 
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Minister for scotish public relations  :rollin
Don’t be daft.  I’m a senior Scottish diplomat – naturally. :evil
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I'm not a fan of VNA but like Fazersharp I all so read that same post as him and yes he is an essential. Carry on feller we are all safer for you doing it.
I’m a big fan of yours Steve. :kiss   I mean you are the dude credited with the most popular thread of 2019 – well done.  Respect. 8)


I figure I’m lucky.  I’m not a huge fan of going to work – but after a week off, a rather strange week off, getting back to work seems oddly attractive.  I’ll find out the full score when I get back.  But I think a lot of folks have been sent home, and I may find myself on a rota – we’ll see.


And I can ride to work on the R1250R! :)    Yes!  Could do wi some heavy rain to wash the grit away though.
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And your essential work is?
If you must know Agricola I work in a power station – and it’s no powered by coal.
 
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Post by: Gnasher on 27 March 2020, 11:35:41 AM
And here's what happens when you don't follow you're own advice https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52060791 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52060791)


The whole cabinet has no doubt got it now, they should have all been tested when Nadine Dorries tested positive on 11 March, but know he and the cabinet aren't getting tested, we'll just push on.  You couldn't make the shit up, he's a total arse. 
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Post by: YamFazFan on 27 March 2020, 11:37:42 AM

I'm not a fan of VNA but like Fazersharp I all so read that same post as him


I am a fan of VNA and I haven't read the post.


Does that make me unique? :rolleyes
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Post by: Dudeofrude on 27 March 2020, 11:39:19 AM
And here's what happens when you don't follow you're own advice https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52060791 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52060791)


The whole cabinet has no doubt got it now, they should have all been tested when Nadine Dorries tested positive on 11 March, but know he's are the rest aren't getting tested, we'll just push on.  You couldn't make the shit up, he's a total arse.

I had a feeling this was coming when he announced his stand in the other day. Seemed like an odd thing to come out with for no reason so I'm guessing hes known for a few days at least.
Not to wish it on anybody but maybe him going through it himself will open his eyes to the reality of what it's like for all the poor sods that cant get a respirator because of the way it's all currently being managed 😔
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Post by: Gnasher on 27 March 2020, 11:51:25 AM
Not to wish it on anybody but maybe him going through it himself will open his eyes to the reality of what it's like for all the poor sods that cant get a respirator because of the way it's all currently being managed 😔


Oh yes mate, this virus is the great leveller.  Doesn't matter how much money or what private health plan you've got, all worthless, only the NHS can deal with it/you.  All these politicians and those that backed them with their 'I'm alright jack' attitudes cutting for years and pocketing the money are going reap their own mess, just we've been doing for years.


Oh yes the leveller has arrived.     
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 27 March 2020, 11:56:37 AM
 Wow!
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they should have all been tested when Nadine Dorries tested positive on 11 March
Yeah, totally agree they certainly should have been monitoring them.  Although they would not meet NHS and government guidelines for testing – they are the foccin government – I mean they are supposed to be running the country.
 
On the other hand – I can’t help thinking – has this virus already spread much much wider than we think.  We are supposed to be in the early stages, but so many well known names have been infected it’s uncannae.  Or is that just the nature of their work, social life and the distortion of the media lens.
 
One thing that is needed is much more testing.  Both testing for the virus and for the anti-bodies.  A few random testing polls around the country would give us an idea of where we are – at the moment we are in the dark – such a poll would be like switching the lights on – big foc off flood lights.
 
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 27 March 2020, 11:57:40 AM
Boris Johnson, March 3:
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“I was at a hospital the other night with a few coronavirus patients and I shook hands with everybody.”
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 27 March 2020, 12:02:27 PM
Clueless

https://twitter.com/i/status/1243506104094674951
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Post by: Gnasher on 27 March 2020, 12:23:06 PM
Wow!
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they should have all been tested when Nadine Dorries tested positive on 11 March
Yeah, totally agree they certainly should have been monitoring them.  Although they would not meet NHS and government guidelines for testing – they are the foccin government – I mean they are supposed to be running the country.
 
On the other hand – I can’t help thinking – has this virus already spread much much wider than we think.  We are supposed to be in the early stages, but so many well known names have been infected it’s uncannae.  Or is that just the nature of their work, social life and the distortion of the media lens.
 
One thing that is needed is much more testing.  Both testing for the virus and for the anti-bodies.  A few random testing polls around the country would give us an idea of where we are – at the moment we are in the dark – such a poll would be like switching the lights on – big foc off flood lights.


Yes mate, this thing is a lot more wide spread then they're admitting, to be honest I think it's fair to say they really don't have a clue.  Most Western governments are running around trying to figure out what to do, most are running into their own mess of cuts, greed, years of incompetence and lies.  Which is giving them constant obstacles up every avenue/option they go up or try.


The rate in which well known people/celebrities are getting infected, I think is a direct relation to their ability to travel.  Being 'seen' or 'part of the set' on the slopes etc, those with less can't travel as much and that may be the saving grace.  The down side to those without, is they tend to live much closer and the risk of infection is much higher, look at London New York etc, I just wince at the thought of what will happen in India!   


We need testing like 2 months back, but they ignored what the Chinese PXR's were telling them.     
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 27 March 2020, 12:48:20 PM
 
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Yes mate, this thing is a lot more wide spread then they're admitting, to be honest I think it's fair to say they really don't have a clue.  Most Western governments are running around trying to figure out what to do, most are running into their own mess of cuts, greed, years of incompetence and lies.  Which is giving them constant obstacles up every avenue/option they go up or try.

Yup Gnasher.  Another thing that gets me.  Is if we have feared this situation since the last widespread pandemic (Spanish Flu) then why are we short of protective equipment etc.   We’ve dodged this a number of times over the last few decades but the virologists have been clear that it can and will happen – and here we are – totally unprepared. 
 
Of course, privatising everything, from infrastructure, to services to utilities , de-industrialisation, cutting out NHS to the bone etc etc etc – just makes it all the harder to deal with this.
 
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We need testing like 2 months back, but they ignored what the Chinese PXR's were telling them.     
 
Do click on that twitter link (I can’t find the video on you tube in order to embed it), it’s a very short Politics Joe video – just basically quotes from Johnson.
 
You know the man doesn’t have a clue and he doesn’t give a fuck. 



Here it is again - https://twitter.com/i/status/1243506104094674951

 
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Post by: mtread on 27 March 2020, 01:08:44 PM
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On the other hand – I can’t help thinking – has this virus already spread much much wider than we think.
I think you are right. Look at the rate it's ripping through the USA. Can't just be person to person contact.
They need to quickly do a 100% test on a sample. One town perhaps.
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 27 March 2020, 01:25:11 PM
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Quote<blockquote> On the other hand – I can’t help thinking – has this virus already spread much much wider than we think. </blockquote>I think you are right. Look at the rate it's ripping through the USA. Can't just be person to person contact.
They need to quickly do a 100% test on a sample. One town perhaps.
Matt Hancock has just tested positive.
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Post by: Gnasher on 27 March 2020, 01:27:01 PM
Do click on that twitter link (I can’t find the video on you tube in order to embed it), it’s a very short Politics Joe video – just basically quotes from Johnson.
 
You know the man doesn’t have a clue and he doesn’t give a fuck. 


Yes mate, I do remember all he's said, he is a buffoon, end of. 
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Post by: fazersharp on 27 March 2020, 02:07:26 PM
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But hang on - the amount paid is worked out on PROFITS - that's profits that you have made after tax and allowances. So they are working it out on income that has already been taxed. If they are going to tax the payments then it should be worked out on turnover and then tax it.   
No profits is turnover minus business expenses (ie materials, travel etc) before tax and NI.
Typical tax brain - that is exactly what I said - read it again.
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Post by: fazersharp on 27 March 2020, 02:14:26 PM
If no one is supposed to be immune how come you can have it but also have no symptoms at all. Isn't that the very definition of immune. If immune means you can not catch it then no one is immune to anything - the very same cold or flu virus, you still get it but have no symptoms again. Confusing myself now -- any help ? 
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Post by: fazersharp on 27 March 2020, 02:23:30 PM
Here's an idea all the MPs take a 20% pay cut - at least that would be a symbolic gesture. 
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Post by: fazersharp on 27 March 2020, 02:40:30 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deYEoY6D-uI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deYEoY6D-uI)   :rollin :rollin
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Post by: mtread on 27 March 2020, 02:42:13 PM
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Typical tax brain - that is exactly what I said - read it again.
Nope. You implied it would be calculated based on 'profit' after tax was deducted. That's what you were complaining about.  When it isn't. It's based on the profit declared before tax. The profit declared on the SA Return.
Here's a deal. You don't teach me about tax, and I won't teach anybody about bricklaying  :)
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Post by: Gnasher on 27 March 2020, 02:47:39 PM
If no one is supposed to be immune how come you can have it but also have no symptoms at all. Isn't that the very definition of immune. If immune means you can not catch it then no one is immune to anything - the very same cold or flu virus, you still get it but have no symptoms again. Confusing myself now -- any help ?


It's a bit like the common cold or Flu but a lot more potent, a coronavirus changes it's coat over time (years I think) and we lose some of our immunity so we keep getting colds or the flu.  All colds/flu's effect people differently mostly coughs/running nose/headaches etc, flu proper flu is worse can as does kill the old and those with underlying issues.  In a typical year flu kills around 3000 and bad as many as 15000, but the vast majority just get on with it.  We've got levels of immunity passed on via our parents/families so we get it because it's got a different coat or we as an individual has lost some immunity but not bad and our system suppresses it, kills it and we've got vaccines.  Because most have immunity (this is the important bit) it can't infect us all, the so called heard immunity and it's not spread as fast or as far.   


Covid19 is not a regular clod/flu it's a new strain of virus, rapped in a corona, we have no immunity to it so everyone can catch it and spread it and no vaccine to stop the spread.  If we get enough (viral load) it will kill you, the amount of viral load that will kill you in dependant on, you and your immune system which is age related and any underlying health problems.  Put age and a health problem or health problem an age together and the amount of viral load that will kill you deceases, there's currently no vaccine if you're in the above 2 it's pretty much luck your'll survive.


Once people start recovering, which they're we should, they don't know for sure we will get the heard immunity so the spread will decrease.       
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Post by: mtread on 27 March 2020, 02:47:49 PM
Boris is now self isolating from his children  :lol
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Post by: fazersharp on 27 March 2020, 02:47:55 PM
Here's a deal. You don't teach me about tax, and I won't teach anybody about bricklaying  :)
Who's the brick layer- im not. although I have done some here and there. Went on a night course once, loved the way they used special mortar the doesn't properly st and use it over and over   
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Post by: Dynspud on 27 March 2020, 02:50:17 PM
Loving the video Sharpie  :lol


.... I just hope I don't run out of beer!!! Classic  :thumbup
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Post by: fazersharp on 27 March 2020, 02:52:49 PM
It reminds me of war of the worlds where (the newer one ) where Morgan freeman narrates along the lines of "we have brought our protection from the invaders through countless millions of deaths over thousands of years"   
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Post by: mtread on 27 March 2020, 02:53:47 PM
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Who's the brick layer- im not. although I have done some here and there. Went on a night course once, loved the way they used special mortar the doesn't properly st and use it over and over   
Hopefully it sets at some point, otherwise the wall will fall down.
Bugger! I said I wouldn't teach anybody about bricklaying  :lol
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 27 March 2020, 03:14:29 PM
 From Camley Cartoons,
 
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Well, I guess that's Saturday's #BorisJohnson  and #MattHancock ~cartoon oot the windae!
:lol

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUH9RTSXgAMpz6L?format=jpg&name=small)
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 27 March 2020, 03:17:47 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUHJ8GkXYAE8D35?format=jpg&name=small)
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 27 March 2020, 03:19:43 PM
Oh well, Worldometer shows 2921 new cases today for the UK.
We are offically in the shit.  Not good.
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Post by: fazersharp on 27 March 2020, 03:49:49 PM
Oh well, Worldometer shows 2921 new cases today for the UK.
We are offically in the shit.  Not good.

Why do you keep posting doom and focing gloom - what's wrong with you.Are you the Son of     
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Post by: Farmboy81 on 27 March 2020, 03:55:01 PM
Or rather, the number of confirmed cases has gone up as testing becomes more widely done, this doesn't mean 2921 caught it today.


The more cases that can be identified, the better. Also 5990 people tested negative for the virus in the same period, but that's not a good headline.
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Post by: YamFazFan on 27 March 2020, 03:58:15 PM

Here's a deal. You don't teach me about tax, and I won't teach anybody about bricklaying  :)
Who's the brick layer- im not.


Me neither, but to be fair it does appear that's occupation of most foc-u members :\
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 27 March 2020, 04:12:57 PM
 
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Or rather, the number of confirmed cases has gone up as testing becomes more widely done, this doesn't mean 2921 caught it today.
No what it means, is roughly 2921 hospital admissions today.  Things are moving fast and more tests may be available, but up until now you generally only got tested if you showed severe symptoms, and after an overnight stay in hospital you were not fit for discharge.
So that’s why the figure concerns me.
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The more cases that can be identified.
Sure, but generally only those who end up in hospital get tested.
 
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Post by: Grahamm on 27 March 2020, 07:49:59 PM
From Camley Cartoons,
 
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Well, I guess that's Saturday's #BorisJohnson  and #MattHancock ~cartoon oot the windae!
:lol


One of my neighbours was taken to hospital and tested positive for COVID-19.

Luckily he was put on one of the new Dyson ventilators...
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He's picking up nicely.
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Post by: unfazed on 27 March 2020, 08:05:34 PM
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Post by: YamFazFan on 28 March 2020, 03:46:47 AM
Guidance on the 6 month MOT extension regulations...
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-mots-for-cars-vans-and-motorcycles-due-from-30-march-2020 (https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-mots-for-cars-vans-and-motorcycles-due-from-30-march-2020)
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Post by: YamFazFan on 28 March 2020, 07:23:48 AM
Regulations on carrying over annual leave at work to be relaxed...


https://www.gov.uk/government/news/rules-on-carrying-over-annual-leave-to-be-relaxed-to-support-key-industries-during-covid-19 (https://www.gov.uk/government/news/rules-on-carrying-over-annual-leave-to-be-relaxed-to-support-key-industries-during-covid-19)
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 28 March 2020, 10:40:06 AM
No need to worry, The Donald is on the case.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ngx9M0D9IEg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ngx9M0D9IEg)
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Post by: mtread on 28 March 2020, 11:06:16 AM
 :D
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Post by: fazersharp on 28 March 2020, 11:07:16 AM
No need to worry, The Donald is on the case.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ngx9M0D9IEg[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ngx9M0D9IEg[/url])

Not bothered to click your link but why are you obsessed with Trump
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 28 March 2020, 11:50:06 AM
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Quote from: VNA on Today at 10:40:06 AM ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php?topic=25976.msg311326#msg311326[/url])<blockquote>No need to worry, The Donald is on the case.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ngx9M0D9IEg[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ngx9M0D9IEg[/url])

</blockquote>Not bothered to click your link but why are you obsessed with Trump

Oh, yeah I forgot, it's fake news - this isn't really happening.
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Post by: fazersharp on 28 March 2020, 12:05:47 PM
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Quote from: VNA on Today at 10:40:06 AM ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php?topic=25976.msg311326#msg311326[/url])<blockquote>No need to worry, The Donald is on the case.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ngx9M0D9IEg[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ngx9M0D9IEg[/url])

</blockquote>Not bothered to click your link but why are you obsessed with Trump

Oh, yeah I forgot, it's fake news - this isn't really happening.

Ok I watched it for you, a random collection of clips taken out of context -there was no news. What's the point in you shearing it.   
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 28 March 2020, 01:06:58 PM
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Ok I watched it for you
I think not, for I had already seen it.
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Post by: fazersharp on 28 March 2020, 01:32:16 PM
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Ok I watched it for you
I think not, for I had already seen it.
:rolleyes When are you back at work so we only have to put up with you when you get home.
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Post by: YamFazFan on 28 March 2020, 01:58:03 PM
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Ok I watched it for you
I think not, for I had already seen it.
:rolleyes When are you back at work so we only have to put up with you when you get home.
:lol
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 28 March 2020, 02:08:21 PM
America going back to work,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45SV-bRAz7Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45SV-bRAz7Q)


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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 28 March 2020, 02:12:16 PM
Boris asks Trump for ventilators,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZGJvATDmaY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZGJvATDmaY)
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 28 March 2020, 02:14:38 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ET6W0cHWsAIrPGU?format=jpg&name=small)
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Post by: fazersharp on 28 March 2020, 03:09:05 PM
So a mass finger prick test will be rolled out. Say it proves you have had it and so are free to work and go back to normal, would there need to be some sort of proof to be carried to so the police "your virus papers please".Also these people already had it can go back to work on 100% income so wouldn't that lead to people actually wanting to catch it so they too can go back to work.     
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Post by: mtread on 28 March 2020, 03:22:35 PM
Yes I think you may have spotted a few flaws in the logic.....
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 28 March 2020, 03:57:16 PM
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So a mass finger prick test will be rolled out. Say it proves you have had it and so are free to work and go back to normal, would there need to be some sort of proof to be carried to so the police "your virus papers please".Also these people already had it can go back to work on 100% income so wouldn't that lead to people actually wanting to catch it so they too can go back to work.     
You got a link?
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Post by: fazersharp on 28 March 2020, 05:31:37 PM
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So a mass finger prick test will be rolled out. Say it proves you have had it and so are free to work and go back to normal, would there need to be some sort of proof to be carried to so the police "your virus papers please".Also these people already had it can go back to work on 100% income so wouldn't that lead to people actually wanting to catch it so they too can go back to work.     
You got a link?
By that i guess you mean the rolling out of antibody tests -- its been talked about in the news for days
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 28 March 2020, 05:38:59 PM
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Quote from: VNA on Today at 03:57:16 PM
 
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        So a mass finger prick test will be rolled out. Say it proves you have had it and so are free to work and go back to normal, would there need to be some sort of proof to be carried to so the police "your virus papers please".Also these people already had it can go back to work on 100% income so wouldn't that lead to people actually wanting to catch it so they too can go back to work.     
 
    You got a link?
 
By that i guess you mean the rolling out of antibody tests -- its been talked about in the news for days
 
 
I’ve googled and cone up with this.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/25/uk-coronavirus-mass-home-testing-to-be-made-available-within-days (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/25/uk-coronavirus-mass-home-testing-to-be-made-available-within-days)
Seems to be some way off yet.
If they do work, then surely the first thing to do is to carry out – if you like the virus testing equivalent of a poll.  Then we’ll know where we are.
 
 
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Post by: YamFazFan on 28 March 2020, 08:20:09 PM
In normal times I'd be on my first or second pint by now :rolleyes
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Post by: mtread on 28 March 2020, 11:38:29 PM
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In normal times I'd be on my first or second pint by now
Surely that counts as 'essential foodstuffs'?
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Post by: YamFazFan on 29 March 2020, 08:23:02 AM
I meant in the pub :'(
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 29 March 2020, 11:04:46 AM
It's all my fault for ordering a new bike.
Sorry.
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Post by: mtread on 29 March 2020, 11:48:52 AM
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I meant in the pub

Problem solved
Coronavirus: The Essex man spending the weekend in the pub

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-52068486
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Post by: Gnasher on 29 March 2020, 01:16:34 PM
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I meant in the pub
Problem solved
Coronavirus: The Essex man spending the weekend in the pub

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-52068486 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-52068486)


Now that's an idea  :D
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Post by: Fazian on 29 March 2020, 09:14:13 PM

If they do work, then surely the first thing to do is to carry out – if you like the virus testing equivalent of a poll.  Then we’ll know where we are.



Germany has around 60000 positive cases and around 400 deaths, seems they are testing more. I reckon we have about 10 times as many people with the virus than our stats show as we are only testing when in hospital.
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 29 March 2020, 10:03:54 PM
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as we are only testing when in hospital.
And only after one night - ie patients not fit for discharge after an overnight stay.
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 29 March 2020, 11:21:18 PM
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Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 30 March 2020, 11:43:24 PM
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Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: Oldgit on 31 March 2020, 12:41:56 PM

Testing is not a cure, it's only a test. Probably the main reason that the German totals are so low is because the Germans generally obey an instruction where as other nationalities don't have the same obedience gene.
 
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Post by: YamFazFan on 31 March 2020, 01:49:20 PM
Some good news. HRH The Prince of Wales given the all-clear :thumbup
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 31 March 2020, 05:26:46 PM
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Testing is not a cure, it's only a test.
Testing is like switching on the lights.  Right now we continue to live in the dark.
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Post by: fazersharp on 31 March 2020, 06:16:13 PM
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Testing is not a cure, it's only a test.
Testing is like switching on the lights.  Right now we continue to live in the dark.

You should know  ;)
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 31 March 2020, 07:47:43 PM
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Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: fazersharp on 01 April 2020, 11:40:18 AM
Here's something in my area. The tests on nurses are carried out by occupational health how do not work week ends  :rolleyes so a nurse go's home on Thursday after having symptoms and gos back to be tested on friday the results are back on Saturday but - no occupational health are at work to process the news, meanwhile the partner who is also a health worker has to self isolate because of the others symptoms. Occupational health come in at 9 am onb Monday and go through the weekends results and finally delivers the negative news at midday so they both can return to work on Tuesday. That's a total of 10 nursing days lost.
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: BBROWN1664 on 01 April 2020, 11:44:52 AM
Here's something in my area. The tests on nurses are carried out by occupational health how do not work week ends  :rolleyes so a nurse go's home on Thursday after having symptoms and gos back to be tested on friday the results are back on Saturday but - no occupational health are at work to process the news, meanwhile the partner who is also a health worker has to self isolate because of the others symptoms. Occupational health come in at 9 am onb Monday and go through the weekends results and finally delivers the negative news at midday so they both can return to work on Tuesday. That's a total of 10 nursing days lost.

I think that will change
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Post by: fazersharp on 01 April 2020, 11:51:30 AM
Here's something in my area. The tests on nurses are carried out by occupational health how do not work week ends  :rolleyes so a nurse go's home on Thursday after having symptoms and gos back to be tested on friday the results are back on Saturday but - no occupational health are at work to process the news, meanwhile the partner who is also a health worker has to self isolate because of the others symptoms. Occupational health come in at 9 am onb Monday and go through the weekends results and finally delivers the negative news at midday so they both can return to work on Tuesday. That's a total of 10 nursing days lost.

I think that will change
Not without the unions kicking off as to change hours has to go through a long process involving them.
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: Gnasher on 01 April 2020, 12:37:09 PM
Most of this testing debacle as with much of the issues the NHS and all government depts are facing is a direct result of years of cuts.  PXRs I've read of pandemic testing for flu, carried out a couple years ago, state the lack of capacity in both facilitates, staffing and equipment, ventilators being named, will be serious failings, the government rejected it on cost grounds.


Now look what it's costing us :evil   I wager all the last 20 odd years of savings through cuts has been pissed away in days!  In my opinion anyone who said we'd save X & Y and still preform should be sacked and any pension sums accrued since removed, same for politicians who lie, e.g. we're testing 25k a day (last week) only to discover it's not even half, sack them.


We need people at this time who can inspire, lead and above all believe in.  This current government is a joke, as a certain breakfast TV presenter said this morning "the way this whole situation is being handled is shambolic"


I agree they're out of their depth!       
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Post by: fazersharp on 01 April 2020, 01:41:42 PM
same for politicians who lie, e.g. we're testing 25k a day (last week) only to discover it's not even half, sack them.
Its the way all politicians talk ------ALL OF THEM  - gets my goat. Like today "we have opened a new hospital in a week with 4000 beds". Not quite reality - 500 beds are ready as of today. It will be capable of 4000 beds IF they can get enough Nurses to run it and ventilators for them to use.   
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: Gnasher on 01 April 2020, 02:00:01 PM
Its the way all politicians talk ------ALL OF THEM  - gets my goat. Like today "we have opened a new hospital in a week with 4000 beds". Not quite reality - 500 beds are ready as of today. It will be capable of 4000 beds IF they can get enough Nurses to run it and ventilators for them to use.



Yep, mostly these briefings are just them telling us what a good job they're doing or rather not doing.......lies!


I really hope when all this is over there's real change, we can't go straight back to how things were, we just can't.
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: mtread on 01 April 2020, 03:09:48 PM
The only reason we can't test is that we can't get hold of the chemicals


...... according only to Michael Gove
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: Gnasher on 01 April 2020, 03:26:37 PM
The only reason we can't test is that we can't get hold of the chemicals


...... according only to Michael Gove


Then they should have said that a week ago instead of lying. 
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 01 April 2020, 05:43:01 PM
 
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Its the way all politicians talk ------ALL OF THEM  - gets my goat. Like today "we have opened a new hospital in a week with 4000 beds". Not quite reality - 500 beds are ready as of today. It will be capable of 4000 beds IF they can get enough Nurses to run it and ventilators for them to use.   
Lets see,


40 new hospitals are actually 6 hospitals.
 
50,000 new nurses is actually 31,000 nurses.
 
30,000 new ventilators is actually... 30.    Yes really!



https://twitter.com/i/status/1245369854108016652 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1245369854108016652)


I think what you mean is the miss-leading information and lies that comes from our current administration.
 
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: mtread on 01 April 2020, 06:34:10 PM
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Then they should have said that a week ago instead of lying.


But then they would have been lying a week ago.


The chemical producers are rather confused by the statement.


He just makes things up to avoid blame.
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: fazersharp on 01 April 2020, 08:20:13 PM
I wonder how many will die of covid compared to the spike in deaths from skin cancer ( if we get a Summer and the lockdown is still on )
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 01 April 2020, 08:57:35 PM
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Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 01 April 2020, 10:08:32 PM
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I think after all of this is over the WHO will need to answer some questions.
Don't you think it's our government, along with numerous others that will have to answer questions?
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Assessed contributions are the dues countries pay in order to be a member of the Organization. The amount each Member State must pay is calculated relative to the country's wealth and population.
Yes indeed we fund it, it works for us all, then we iginore its recommendations.
   
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: YamFazFan on 02 April 2020, 08:50:38 AM

I see the weather forecast is for warmer, fine, and sunny 8)

We're going to see the usual suspects testing the definition of one form of daily exercise to the limit this weekend I reckon ;)
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: red98 on 02 April 2020, 09:18:23 AM
yes,indeed...many, many people "exploring" this loophole...cyclists in particular dont seam to understand they cant just carry on as usual on their long rides, just round the block is all they should be doing  :wall ...iam not a big keep fit fan but whilst iam off work i do need to replace the "exercise" i get at work, iam lucky my garage at the bottom of my garden opens out onto a green about half the size of a football pitch with a dirt track running round the outside, will dig my mountain bike out and do a few laps ...
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: YamFazFan on 02 April 2020, 12:09:30 PM
A lot more road traffic and people seemingly just wandering about today. I expect a ratcheting-up of the movement restrictions isn't too far off.
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: red98 on 02 April 2020, 12:19:36 PM
iam with you YFF...how long before they use ANPR to track peoples unnecessary journeys ?
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: Fazian on 02 April 2020, 01:07:00 PM
Seen numerous cyclists riding about today miles from anywhere on long main roads with villages over 5-10 miles away, surely they can ride around their own villages a few times  :rolleyes



Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: mtread on 02 April 2020, 01:35:47 PM
Also seen loads of silly speeding (by cars) on emptier roads.
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: BBROWN1664 on 02 April 2020, 01:51:58 PM
iam with you YFF...how long before they use ANPR to track peoples unnecessary journeys ?
Not as simple as you think. Yes, they can tell you have been out but how will they know if it is unnecessary.
For example, I normally work from home about 95% of the time so this lockdown isn't making much difference to me but if I have a problem with my laptop, I need to go to my local office which is about 30 miles away across country or 40 if I use the M25. How will they know if I am doing a necessary journey? BTW, the customer I am working with is on the Essential list so the need to get working again would be high.
Another example, the MIL is in her late 70's and lives on the other side of our town so we may need to do her shopping or deliver something to her. How would they know through ANPR?
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Post by: YamFazFan on 02 April 2020, 02:10:29 PM
I'd assumed the current proliferation of runners wearing 70's/80's jogging gear were doing so ironically, but it then occurred to me that's probably the last time it was out of the wardrobe :rolleyes
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: fazersharp on 02 April 2020, 02:48:33 PM
I'd assumed the current proliferation of runners wearing 70's/80's jogging gear were doing so ironically, but it then occurred to me that's probably the last time it was out of the wardrobe :rolleyes
good point, people I suddenly taking up jogging. On the cyclists issue, the requirement is 1 hour of exercise so how far could a cyclist get in 1/2 hour
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: red98 on 02 April 2020, 03:03:41 PM
iam with you YFF...how long before they use ANPR to track peoples unnecessary journeys ?
Not as simple as you think. Yes, they can tell you have been out but how will they know if it is unnecessary.
For example, I normally work from home about 95% of the time so this lockdown isn't making much difference to me but if I have a problem with my laptop, I need to go to my local office which is about 30 miles away across country or 40 if I use the M25. How will they know if I am doing a necessary journey? BTW, the customer I am working with is on the Essential list so the need to get working again would be high.
Another example, the MIL is in her late 70's and lives on the other side of our town so we may need to do her shopping or deliver something to her. How would they know through ANPR?








good point BB....its surprising how many key workers we have,i have two jobs,my main job 43hrs furniture maker, not key and a part time 5hr ish maintenance man which is key job but only on call,i`ll be there tomorrow 50 mile round trip with a letter in the car from my employees stating why iam out.


also an unpaid carer for my dementia suffering mother , i stay over night 2/3 times a week,be interesting what the boys in blue say if iam stopped...
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 02 April 2020, 05:48:48 PM
Mmmm, the foc-u curtains are twitching already, eh?
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 02 April 2020, 05:52:23 PM
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     ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/Themes/Crushing/images/post/xx.gif[/url])   Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion... ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php?topic=25976.msg310416#msg310416[/url])  « Reply #122 on: 14 March 2020, 04:08:22 PM » 
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   Quote from: VNA on 14 March 2020, 10:58:54 AM ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php?topic=25976.msg310400#msg310400[/url])<blockquote>
Whilst the UK government intends to expose us all to the virus. 
 
</blockquote>Which is what the "experts" are telling them to do. So finally it seems you agreeing that its best not to always listen to the experts.
 On the subject of experts I think the WHO have done a crap job, they seemed to of dragged their feet at every stage. Very reluctant to call for the next steps needed. And don't seem to have a clue, they are very good at providing clean water to African villages or giving family planning advice to the same ( Directer General has 5 kids himself ). The whole organisation seems too cumbersome and overpaid.
 Here is how they get their money.         
 Assessed contributions are the dues countries pay in order to be a member of the Organization. The amount each Member State must pay is calculated relative to the country's wealth and population.
Sound familiar ?  ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/wink.gif[/url])
I think after all of this is over the WHO will need to answer some questions.


 Don't you think it's our government, along with numerous others that will have to answer questions Fazersharp?
 .Yes indeed Fazersharp, we fund it, it works for us all, then we iginore its recommendations.   
 
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Post by: Dudeofrude on 02 April 2020, 06:11:11 PM
Also seen loads of silly speeding (by cars) on emptier roads.

I've seen a fair few chavvy morons with illegal big bore exhausts on their 1l puntos racing about here lately. Seem to think the Police have more pressing issues to worry about so they can do what they like..... problem is they seem to be right 😔

Also seen/heard a lot of motorbikes which surprises me as I know some people need them for transport but I highly doubt the local Hells Angel wannabe on his £30k+ show condition Harley Davidson is doing an essential journey up and down the seafront every day 🙄 or the 5 lads on mopeds whizzing about
But as I say the police either havent got the manpower or the will to try and stop them
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Post by: YamFazFan on 02 April 2020, 07:12:18 PM

Mmmm, the foc-u curtains are twitching already, eh?


Be a bit difficult driving around in a Transit tipper van with curtains :rolleyes
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Post by: agricola on 02 April 2020, 08:09:12 PM
Aye, its odd isn't it. I've jogged (run in my younger days) around the local footpaths around here for over 35 years. I only have to go half a mile and I'm out of the urban area with open countryside for miles. Only rarelydo I ever come across more than the odd walker. This week, I've never seen so many complete strangers piling out of their cars where the footpaths start, families with children in pushchairs
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Post by: YamFazFan on 02 April 2020, 08:25:42 PM

The twats are kidding themselves that a family day out and picnic constitutes a single daily form of exercise.


Wait until the mini heatwave kicks off this weekend.


 :guitar You ain't seen nothing yet :guitar
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 02 April 2020, 08:51:24 PM
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Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: darrsi on 03 April 2020, 06:58:27 AM
Would now not be the ideal time to to get as many potholes fixed as possible?
It's essential work, the roads have the least traffic ever to inconvenience anyone, the weather's perfect.......
Makes perfect sense to me. The councils should be jumping at the chance.
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Post by: Dudeofrude on 03 April 2020, 07:31:49 AM
Would now not be the ideal time to to get as many potholes fixed as possible?
It's essential work, the roads have the least traffic ever to inconvenience anyone, the weather's perfect.......
Makes perfect sense to me. The councils should be jumping at the chance.

Funny you should say that. I went out in the car yesterday (for the first time in 2 weeks) to nip down to my shop and just check everything was still locked up tight. On the way I noticed my local council have painted more or less every road marking back in properly and for some unknown reason have decided to dig up one half of the main road.
I'm not sure what they're doing but the cynic in me thinks it's not 'essential' work and it's more likely they are doing the usual march/april roadworks to spend the last of their budget so they can justify having more for the next tax year 🤔
On the plus side the workmen were following social distancing rules. One was sat in his van (2 metres away from everything) and the others were working from home 🤣
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Post by: steve 10562cc on 03 April 2020, 08:43:37 AM
you forgot the ones leaning on their shovels 2mtrs apart Dudeofrude.
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Post by: mtread on 03 April 2020, 10:10:26 AM
'There I was, digging this hole' - Bernard Cribbins  :)
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 03 April 2020, 07:46:47 PM
It wasn’t a ‘missed email’ that led to UK missing out on vital supplies. UK had 8 EU meetings to discuss Covid-19 and still didn’t take part.

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Peter Liese, a German MEP and medical doctor who sits on the European parliament’s public health committee, said there had also been telephone calls between British and EU officials about the EU procurement scheme. “I know that they [British officials] were at a working level interested in joint procurement,” he told the Guardian.
The veteran German MEP dismissed UK government claims they missed an email. “It was not that they were not aware, but it was a decision not to participate,” he said. “If you are interested you don’t wait for an email.”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/30/uk-discussed-joint-eu-plan-to-buy-covid-19-medical-supplies-say-officials (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/30/uk-discussed-joint-eu-plan-to-buy-covid-19-medical-supplies-say-officials)
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: Val on 04 April 2020, 02:54:27 PM
If you believe the way the media are portraying this, we're only one step away from the Zombie Apocalypse!

But if you look at this page: www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/) you'll see that the highest probabilty of dying from COVID-19 is if you are over 80 years old, followed by the 70-79 year old age group.

That post has not aged well.
Boris Johnson's letter today inviting the opposition to help handle Covid19 pandemic:
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"we have scientifically-led...action plan"
Seriously?
Scientifically led by whom? Dr. Mengele?
The same day Johnson's herd immunity nazis(aka Covid government advisor):
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"Professor Medley...from the body that is guiding the government’s response...[said]that Britain must consider allowing people to catch the virus"!!!

IHGNFY - the UK government oficial plan now is to let all get the virus and your mum and dad die because we need to save Richard Branson and his mates busineses.

Germany do 80 000 test a day! 80 000!
The UK - mere 7000 yesterday.

Let me make it clear: There is a better scientific way of handling the pandemic then Johnson's "let all old people die herd immunity nazis"!

End game C: Germany, China, South Korea and Tasmania are doing it.

Mass testing + Shutting down everything, and restarting when coronavirus is gone:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/21/the-case-for-shutting-down-almost-everything-and-restarting-when-coronavirus-is-gone (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/21/the-case-for-shutting-down-almost-everything-and-restarting-when-coronavirus-is-gone)
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: fazersharp on 04 April 2020, 04:50:54 PM

Scientifically led by whom? Dr. Mengele?
The same day Johnson's herd immunity nazis(aka Covid government advisor):

Germany do 80 000 test a day! 80 000!
The UK - mere 7000 yesterday.

Let me make it clear: There is a better scientific way of handling the pandemic then Johnson's "let all old people die herd immunity nazis"!

well you have goosestepped your way right into the debate haven't you.  Your rant is equal only to your ignorance, the reason Germany has the capacity for more testing can be traced right back to the Nazis themselves, do yourself a favour and find out how the German  chemicals industry is as big as it is today. The likes of Bayer and Agfa who are behind a lot of Germany's testing have their own history intertwined with the Nazi,s
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Post by: mtread on 04 April 2020, 05:07:33 PM
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the reason Germany has the capacity for more testing can be traced right back to the Nazis themselves, do yourself a favour and find out how the German  chemicals industry is as big as it is today. The likes of Bayer and Agfa who are behind a lot of Germany's testing have their own history intertwined with the Nazi,s
Gasp. Did you really say that! :eek


It's nothing to do with not being as stupid as our government then?
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: Fazian on 04 April 2020, 05:14:11 PM
Don't you think our government are doing all they can to get the whole country through this? Do you really think there are any better scientific advisers than what the government have access to?
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 04 April 2020, 05:26:37 PM
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Quote<blockquote> the reason Germany has the capacity for more testing can be traced right back to the Nazis themselves, do yourself a favour and find out how the German  chemicals industry is as big as it is today. The likes of Bayer and Agfa who are behind a lot of Germany's testing have their own history intertwined with the Nazi,s</blockquote>Gasp. Did you really say that! ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/shocked.gif[/url])

He did, he foccin just did. :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek   
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 04 April 2020, 05:38:51 PM
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    I think after all of this is over the WHO will need to answer some questions.

What are these questions you think need answering Fazersharp.
 
The WHO have been warning us for decades that at some point we will be hit by a pandemic.  That such pandemics are always possible.  That we need to be prepared.
 
At the start of the year, the WHO warned us again, and again.  And they advised what action needed to be taken.  We completely ignored their advice.




Meanwhile Iceland has not implemented a lockdown.  They have banned gatherings of more than 20 people and closed schools and universities – but that’s about it.  Why?  Because they are testing. 
 
Test, test, test as recommended by the WHO.  They get a positive result and they chase it down and isolate those with the virus.  They are also one of the countries providing the rest of us with invaluable information about the virus. 
 
This is disaster, but one, here in the UK, largely of our own making.

 
 
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Post by: mtread on 04 April 2020, 05:43:21 PM
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Don't you think our government are doing all they can to get the whole country through this? Do you really think there are any better scientific advisers than what the government have access to?
They have very good scientific advisors, but then you have to listen to them.
You don't start off suggesting 'herd immunity' then change your mind.
You don't limit the testing of NHS workers, then change your mind
You don't refuse an offer from the EU to bulk purchase ventilators, then say you didn't receive the email.
As former head of the Civil Service Sir Bob Keslake said yesterday, it's best to listen to your experts, rather than your political advisors.
So no they have not been doing all they can. They are far more incompetent than the German government, hence the difference.
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Post by: fazersharp on 04 April 2020, 05:50:11 PM
In 1925 Bayer was one of six chemical companies that merged to form IG Farben, the world's largest chemical and pharmaceutical company. The Allied Control Council seized IG Farben after World War II, because of its role in the Nazi war effort and involvement in the Holocaust, which included using slave labour from concentration camps and the purchase of humans for dangerous medical testing.

Val was happy to quote others who have likened the government's responce as like the Nazi's so its apt to point out that the reason for Germany's far better testing regime is the fact they have some of the world's biggest chemicals companies who were involved in the use of 10 of thousands of Jews supplied my the Nazi's and used in testing during ww2.
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Post by: mtread on 04 April 2020, 06:22:33 PM
We all know the history.


What I'm amazed at, is you think it has a bearing on Germany's Covid-19 results.


What about South Korea's better results? Did the Nazis influence that as well?
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Post by: fazersharp on 04 April 2020, 06:34:24 PM
Merly pointing out the irony in vals post.
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Post by: YamFazFan on 04 April 2020, 07:32:50 PM
Debenhams prepares to file for bankruptcy. Spotted this on the BBC News channel rolling headline last night and spent the £30 gift card I'd had for a while online ASAP.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/apr/03/debenhams-prepares-to-file-for-bankruptcy-coronavirus (https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/apr/03/debenhams-prepares-to-file-for-bankruptcy-coronavirus)
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Post by: fazersharp on 04 April 2020, 09:33:42 PM
It was today's press conference that did it for me and I realised that it is basically fake. The questions are at least known about before and a responce has already been written > i would go so far as to say the questions are even written by the government themselves.

 It was the completely random left field question about 5G causing the illness, totally nuts, right, and yet Mat Hancock was completely unfazed like he knew it was coming and then he past it on to NHS England medical director Stephen Powis and he gave a very in depth responce that seemed completely pre prepared.

If you can, watch it again bearing in mind what I have said
 
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 04 April 2020, 10:38:59 PM
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It was today's press conference that did it for me and I realised that it is basically fake. The questions are at least known about before and a responce has already been written > i would go so far as to say the questions are even written by the government themselves.

 It was the completely random left field question about 5G causing the illness, totally nuts, right, and yet Mat Hancock was completely unfazed like he knew it was coming and then he past it on to NHS England medical director Stephen Powis and he gave a very in depth responce that seemed completely pre prepared.

If you can, watch it again bearing in mind what I have said

 It was today's press conference that did it for me and I realised that it is basically fake. The questions are at least known about before and a responce has already been written > i would go so far as to say the questions are even written by the government themselves.


It’s a briefing session at a time of national crises.  Now I don’t know how it works for sure.  But it seems perfectly reasonable for the government press office to ask for questions to be submitted in advance.  And in any case as a journalist you would want your question to be given serious consideration.  These are not normal times.  However, if the government does not take the questions seriously there’s nothing to stop the journalist asking whatever question they please whenever they wish – but only if necessary.



What I am mad about is the mess we are in.  And I have to say, I feel I must remind some of youse that the people will get the government they deserve.  If you knowingly and happily vote for liars and spivs don’t be surprised when you get a pile of fucking crap in return.


 
This is a government that has ignored the advice of the WHO, it has done so for years, and it has done so because it thinks it knows better, or that’s it’s never gonna happen, and in any case they have had enough of experts, or frankly they just don’t give a fuck.  Take your pick.


 
We have hospital staff dying because they do not have the basic PPE that they need to treat patients with this virus.  They are dying not just simply because they have become infected, but because of viral loading due to a lack of PPE.


 
On top of that we have an economy that is in full shut down.


 
This government is utterly and absolutely incompetent. 
 
 
 

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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 04 April 2020, 10:43:39 PM
If you are standing outside your hoose clapping yer hands or banging pans or whatever on Thursdays at 8pm and you voted Tory, well VNA says...................



AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH >: >: >:
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 04 April 2020, 10:44:11 PM
I need a beer :)
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Post by: fazersharp on 04 April 2020, 11:28:15 PM
We need to learn from this and prepair for an asteroid or comet strike.


Meanwhile the likes of Louis theroux have been taking the piss out of preppers for years #not laughing now
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Post by: Gnasher on 05 April 2020, 12:01:44 AM
It’s a briefing session at a time of national crises.  Now I don’t know how it works for sure.  But it seems perfectly reasonable for the government press office to ask for questions to be submitted in advance.  And in any case as a journalist you would want your question to be given serious consideration.  These are not normal times.  However, if the government does not take the questions seriously there’s nothing to stop the journalist asking whatever question they please whenever they wish – but only if necessary.

What I am mad about is the mess we are in.  And I have to say, I feel I must remind some of youse that the people will get the government they deserve.  If you knowingly and happily vote for liars and spivs don’t be surprised when you get a pile of fucking crap in return.


This is a government that has ignored the advice of the WHO, it has done so for years, and it has done so because it thinks it knows better, or that’s it’s never gonna happen, and in any case they have had enough of experts, or frankly they just don’t give a fuck.  Take your pick.

We have hospital staff dying because they do not have the basic PPE that they need to treat patients with this virus.  They are dying not just simply because they have become infected, but because of viral loading due to a lack of PPE.

On top of that we have an economy that is in full shut down.

This government is utterly and absolutely incompetent.


I totally agree, very well said sir  :thumbup


All questions are known before hand at least a few hours, that's why they state who the next question is going to be from.  All of the information given at them is at least 12hrs old minimum and I'd expect that. 


It's not just the UK that has to change but the world, lets all hope it does.   
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 05 April 2020, 12:39:05 AM
 Meanwhile Jacob Rees Mogg, leader of the house is focused on a once in a generation opportunity for super normal returns. 
 
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/jacob-rees-moggs-investment-firm-21814351 (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/jacob-rees-moggs-investment-firm-21814351)
 
Potential for quick 500% returns for clients.
 
Covid19 represents an opportunity for our Tory rulers and their chums to become considerably richer. 





You gotta love the Tories.

 
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Post by: darrsi on 05 April 2020, 06:04:59 AM
Meanwhile Jacob Rees Mogg, leader of the house is focused on a once in a generation opportunity for super normal returns. 
 
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/jacob-rees-moggs-investment-firm-21814351 (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/jacob-rees-moggs-investment-firm-21814351)
 
Potential for quick 500% returns for clients.
 
Covid19 represents an opportunity for our Tory rulers and their chums to become considerably richer. 





You gotta love the Tories.


You begrudge people making money out of business? Isn't that what the world is all about? I'm pretty sure you don't go to work for the love of it without any pay, you go there to make money.


What about Tony Blair and his questionable multi million pound empire?
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Post by: YamFazFan on 05 April 2020, 07:01:18 AM
Her Majesty The Queen, God bless her, to address the nation at 8pm this evening.
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Post by: Gnasher on 05 April 2020, 09:36:45 AM
You begrudge people making money out of business? Isn't that what the world is all about? I'm pretty sure you don't go to work for the love of it without any pay, you go there to make money.


What about Tony Blair and his questionable multi million pound empire?


There nothing wrong with making money, if it's through work and sustainable.  Where we've gone wrong in my opinion it there is too much of this opportunism of the super rich praying on even ocrastrainting misfortune on the many, so they can get richer.  Utter greed for greeds sake, it's wrong and isn't sustainable, this is part of the reason our NHS and all other government, local authorities are suffering at present.


These arseholes have asset stripped government/local services and turned them into businesses which produce nothing, on fixed budgets, so year on year, for years they've salami sliced staff, wages, pensions, services and every other way possible to get their profit.  Again isn't sustainable eventually there's nothing to strip. 


Greed utter greed, which in the end we as the taxpayer end up having to pay for.  We bailed out the banks, for what was their utter greed, yet last week these gits want to charge business up to 30% on loans, to get them through this current crisis.


It's got to change.       
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Post by: YamFazFan on 05 April 2020, 10:20:11 AM

What I am mad about is the mess we are in.  And I have to say, I feel I must remind some of youse that the people will get the government they deserve.  If you knowingly and happily vote for liars and spivs don’t be surprised when you get a pile of fucking crap in return.
Perhaps if the Labour Party had gone into the election with a credible, electable leader instead of a f*****g crap one who was the most unelectable since Michael Foot and led them to their biggest defeat since the 1930's, there'd have been a different result? :rolleyes

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Post by: Dudeofrude on 05 April 2020, 10:40:32 AM

What I am mad about is the mess we are in.  And I have to say, I feel I must remind some of youse that the people will get the government they deserve.  If you knowingly and happily vote for liars and spivs don’t be surprised when you get a pile of fucking crap in return.
Perhaps if the Labour Party had gone into the election with a credible, electable leader instead of a f*****g crap one who was the most unelectable since Michael Foot and led them to their biggest defeat since the 1930's, there'd have been a different result? :rolleyes

You know as well as I do that no matter which political party was in power the results would be very similar if not the exact same.
Too many people get caught up on labels (labour, lib dems, Tory etc) when at the end of the day they are all the exact same kind of people. They are all in it for self gain and they are all greedy, no matter what colour tie they choose to wear.

Do all you Tory haters honestly believe that labour would have come in and reinstated all the lost money to local councils?? Or do you think they would have seen the overflowing money pot and figured it's working as is so let's just carry on?
Do you think they wouldn't have given themselves a 3% pay rise while claiming expenses for every 2 mile taxi trip and Sunday afternoon phone call?
Do you honestly think they would have been the saviors of the country?

It wouldnt matter who was in charge, this pandemic would have ruined the country anyway, just like it is doing to every other country in the world.
The thing that pisses me off the most is in these desperate times, they still seem to have to try and score political points and try and discredit each other.

I agree with Gnasher in the sense the government is fundamental fucked but I think it's the government as a whole, not just the party in charge and something really does need to change.
In the meantime they need to stop trying to fight each other, stop the political slander and unite for the sake of the country.
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Post by: darrsi on 05 April 2020, 10:48:30 AM
What I am mad about is the mess we are in.  And I have to say, I feel I must remind some of youse that the people will get the government they deserve.  If you knowingly and happily vote for liars and spivs don’t be surprised when you get a pile of fucking crap in return.
Perhaps if the Labour Party had gone into the election with a credible, electable leader instead of a f*****g crap one who was the most unelectable since Michael Foot and led them to their biggest defeat since the 1930's, there'd have been a different result? :rolleyes

You know as well as I do that no matter which political party was in power the results would be very similar if not the exact same.
Too many people get caught up on labels (labour, lib dems, Tory etc) when at the end of the day they are all the exact same kind of people. They are all in it for self gain and they are all greedy, no matter what colour tie they choose to wear.

Do all you Tory haters honestly believe that labour would have come in and reinstated all the lost money to local councils?? Or do you think they would have seen the overflowing money pot and figured it's working as is so let's just carry on?
Do you think they wouldn't have given themselves a 3% pay rise while claiming expenses for every 2 mile taxi trip and Sunday afternoon phone call?
Do you honestly think they would have been the saviors of the country?

It wouldnt matter who was in charge, this pandemic would have ruined the country anyway, just like it is doing to every other country in the world.
The thing that pisses me off the most is in these desperate times, they still seem to have to try and score political points and try and discredit each other.

I agree with Gnasher in the sense the government is fundamental fucked but I think it's the government as a whole, not just the party in charge and something really does need to change.
In the meantime they need to stop trying to fight each other, stop the political slander and unite for the sake of the country.


 :agree
In short, they're ALL c***s.  :thumbup
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 05 April 2020, 11:25:25 AM
 
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You know as well as I do that no matter which political party was in power the results would be very similar if not the exact same.

Nope.  I cannot see Labour completely ignoring the advice of the WHO – that just would not happen.  Although it is probably true that had they been elected in December we would still be struggling with this to some degree – well, that’s because successive Tory governments have ignored the advice of WHO.  They fund the research, they pay for the advice, then they ignore it. 
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It wouldn’t matter who was in charge, this pandemic would have ruined the country anyway, just like it is doing to every other country in the world.
It’s not ruining every other country in the world. It’s effecting, or going to affect every country in the world, but the countries that have taken the advice of the WHO and acted on it will fare much much better than we are.  Not only are these countries much less effected but they are helping us, as through their testing experience they are learning about the virus and how it behaves – where as we have found out nothing.  The UK is in chaos – out of control and firefighting.   
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I agree with Gnasher in the sense the government is fundamental fucked but I think it's the government as a whole, not just the party in charge and something really does need to change.
No sorry you are talking pure shite.  This is a government that choose to protect the rich after the banking crises (albeit along with the Lid Dems), this is a government that continued with the privatise everything agenda, this is a government that needlessly gave us austerity, this is a government that has cut spending on social services and the NHS.  This is a government that is excited about food banks.  This is a government that oversees a corrupt tax system – a system that taxes ordinary people to the hilt and has the rich pay nothing.  This is a government that lied to you over Brexit and 350 million a week to the NHS.  This is a government with whom the leader of the house is excited about the “super normal returns” and making an easy 500% profit whilst we are in lock down and people are dying.  This is a government that can’t even supply our NHS workers with basic PPE – people are dying as a result of the arrogance, incompetence and don’t give a fuck attitude of this government.   
 
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when at the end of the day they are all the exact same kind of people. They are all in it for self gain and they are all greedy, no matter what colour tie they choose to wear.
It’s your government Dude.  It’s a democracy.  The country choose to elect liars and spivs, arrogant wankers who think they know better than the experts. 
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In short, they're ALL c***s.  :thumbup
Aye but the Tories are rich cunts, rich cunts that you voted in and are going to fuck you over.  So who are the real fannies then?

 
 
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 05 April 2020, 11:29:57 AM
 We’ve essentially taken a similar approach to the USA.  Ie Ignore the WHO, pretend it’s not gonna happen – then disaster.  (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUpFZQYXsAUc58m?format=jpg&name=small)


But don't worry - you had the good sense to elect the Tories, and they are gonna make a killing

 
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Post by: fazersharp on 05 April 2020, 12:11:51 PM
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You know as well as I do that no matter which political party was in power the results would be very similar if not the exact same.

Nope.  I cannot see Labour completely ignoring the advice of the WHO – that just would not happen.
Don't think so. The Government may change but the Uk scientists advising the gov do not. What's the latest from the WHO ? - we all should now be wearing masks. Their first advice was that there was no need to. They do not seem to have a grip of this at all.
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Post by: fazersharp on 05 April 2020, 12:17:26 PM
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Don't you think our government are doing all they can to get the whole country through this? Do you really think there are any better scientific advisers than what the government have access to?
You don't start off suggesting 'herd immunity' then change your mind.
You don't limit the testing of NHS workers, then change your mind
You don't refuse an offer from the EU to bulk purchase ventilators, then say you didn't receive the email.
There you are -- populism. So now you are a fan of it. 
 
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Post by: fazersharp on 05 April 2020, 12:22:53 PM
Where we've gone wrong in my opinion it there is too much of this opportunism of the super rich praying on even ocrastrainting misfortune on the many, so they can get richer. 
I agree, its all been long planned behind closed doors at Davos the banks and money institutions needed a new bailout that the public would not accept and this is the way to get away with it.
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Post by: YamFazFan on 05 April 2020, 12:28:22 PM
  This is a government that choose to protect the rich after the banking crises (albeit along with the Lid Dems), this is a government that continued with the privatise everything agenda, this is a government that needlessly gave us austerity, this is a government that has cut spending on social services and the NHS.  This is a government that is excited about food banks.  This is a government that oversees a corrupt tax system – a system that taxes ordinary people to the hilt and has the rich pay nothing.  This is a government that lied to you over Brexit and 350 million a week to the NHS.  This is a government with whom the leader of the house is excited about the “super normal returns” and making an easy 500% profit whilst we are in lock down and people are dying.  This is a government that can’t even supply our NHS workers with basic PPE – people are dying as a result of the arrogance, incompetence and don’t give a fuck attitude of this government.   
...yet they still won the election with a huge majority whilst the Labour Party crashed to their worst defeat since the mid-30's.
I wonder why? :rolleyes

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Post by: YamFazFan on 05 April 2020, 12:36:22 PM
Aye but the Tories are rich cunts, rich cunts that you voted in and are going to fuck you over.  So who are the real fannies then?
The Labour Party members who kept voting for Corbyn when they could have backed someone capable of winning a general election ;)
They'd elect him again given half a chance :rolleyes
 
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 05 April 2020, 01:42:34 PM
 
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Don't think so. The Government may change but the Uk scientists advising the gov do not.
It’s was a government decision to ignore the WHO.  And it’s clear the vast vast majority of scientists and virologists respect and value WHO advice.  We fund them, we pay for the advice – which our Tory government over the last ten years has ignored. 
 
Let me spell it out again.  Doctors, nurses and others working on the front line in our hospitals are dying.  They are dying because our government has ignored the WHO and failed to hold sufficient stocks of PPE.
 
Many others are dying because we do not have the required testing infrastructure.  Again this is a choice – our government has repeatedly ignored the expert advice. 
 
Our economy is in lock down because we have failed to invest in relatively simple testing technology. 
 
Our economy is fucking trashed.  You are going to see the biggest recession in British history.  Note the graph above.
 
But worry not, your Tory elite are going to make a killing.  It’s “super normal returns” and an easy 500% profit for the Johnsons and Rees Mogg’s of this world. 
 
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...yet they still won the election with a huge majority whilst the Labour Party crashed to their worst defeat since the mid-30's.
I wonder why?
English nationalism.  Having a BREXIT election was a disaster.  Not to mention BREXIT is a disaster.


But really you tell me.  We don’t vote Tory in Scotland.  We didn’t vote for BREXIT.  And yet again we are suffering at the hands of the English electorate and the government they have forced upon us.
 
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Post by: YamFazFan on 05 April 2020, 01:49:11 PM
Scotlands chief medical officer visits second home despite telling others not to do so...
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/apr/05/scotland-chief-medical-officer-seen-flouting-lockdown-advice-catherine-calderwood (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/apr/05/scotland-chief-medical-officer-seen-flouting-lockdown-advice-catherine-calderwood)
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Post by: Gnasher on 05 April 2020, 01:59:40 PM
The Labour Party members who kept voting for Corbyn when they could have backed someone capable of winning a general election ;)   


I agree, they lost comprehensively because of Corbyn and McDonnell, why they just won't admit I don't know. Like Foot Corbyn was un-electable. 

They'd elect him again given half a chance :rolleyes

I don't agree, some would most certainly would.  Long-Bailey, Corbyn in a dress has just been heavily beaten By Starmer.  If they wanted more of Corbyn they'd have voted Long-Bailey they didn't.

It will be interesting what happens going forward  ;) 
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Post by: fazersharp on 05 April 2020, 02:08:50 PM

VNA
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Let me spell it out again.  Doctors, nurses and others working on the front line in our hospitals are dying.  They are dying because our government has ignored the WHO

Scotlands chief medical officer visits second home despite telling others not to do so...
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/apr/05/scotland-chief-medical-officer-seen-flouting-lockdown-advice-catherine-calderwood (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/apr/05/scotland-chief-medical-officer-seen-flouting-lockdown-advice-catherine-calderwood)


 OOPS
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Post by: Gnasher on 05 April 2020, 02:13:09 PM
We didn’t vote for BREXIT.  And yet again we are suffering at the hands of the English electorate and the government they have forced upon us.


Why agree with you on some of what you say.  I don't agree with this Scotland bleating it's all the English's fault  :foc

Personally I'd give you Independence like yesterday, but there's no money, all Scots working in the England are now foreign nationals, go home and there'll be a £20 boarder charge to enter England.  Poke your oil, will withdraw all the recent ship building contracts back to English yards and the money we'll save not propping you up year on year, will just spend on oil from elsewhere in the short term.

Now if you Scots want to be realistic and stay as a Union  :) I'm all for it, if not  :foc stand on your own, I think not.   

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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 05 April 2020, 02:47:24 PM
 
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I agree, they lost comprehensively because of Corbyn and McDonnell, why they just won't admit I don't know. Like Foot Corbyn was un-electable. 
Disagree.  A number of things went wrong. Right back to the Labour party voting for article 50 – that was a mistake.  Labour should have held firm and firmly opposed BREXIT.  Instead they tried to be all things to all people. 



We could have had a government of national unity but Jo Swinson suddenly started suffering from major delusions of grandeur.  She decided that she would be the next PM and therefore prioritised attacking Corbyn.  Anyway, turned oot she couldnae even hud her ain seat – whoops.


But look Labour’s biggest problem was/is itself.  It was it’s own opposition, and has been for some time.  A party cannot win unless they unite behind their leader.  They wouldn’t back Ed, which if they had he would have walked it in 2015. 



And the PLP refused to respect the membership.


 
Corbyn was never the problem. 



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Why agree with you on some of what you say.  I don't agree with this Scotland bleating it's all the English's fault 
It’s our own fault.  We had an opportunity to do things differently in 2014 and we failed to take it.  It’s my fellow Scots that really frustrate me – but at the same time I’ll never understand why the English want a useless Bullingdon boy, a racist, homophobic, bigoted, misogynistic liar of a man as their PM. 



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and the money we'll save not propping you up year on year,

Do I need to dig out that graph again?  You know, the one that shows the GDP per captia of Scotland v GDP per capita of the UK as a whole.



And don’t forget that despite the UK being one of the richest countries in Europe, England has 9 out of the 10 poorest regions in the EU. 



The truth is Scotland subsidises England – always has. 
 
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Post by: fazersharp on 05 April 2020, 02:54:50 PM
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racist, homophobic, bigoted, misogynistic liar
Have you got that set up on some sort of "hot key "  :rolleyes
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 05 April 2020, 03:17:47 PM
 
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Quote<blockquote> racist, homophobic, bigoted, misogynistic liar</blockquote>Have you got that set up on some sort of "hot key "  ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/rolleyes.gif[/url])

 I call a spade a spade.


The Prime Minister is indeed a racist, homophobic, bigoted, misogynistic liar.  He’s also an incompetent arse.


This is probably why very few people in Scotland voted Tory.


As these facts were well known before the general election late last year, well presumably these are characteristics that are currently admired by many in England. 



Or perhaps you could just call it nationalism.
     
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Post by: Gnasher on 05 April 2020, 03:20:41 PM
Corbyn was never the problem. 


He's always been the problem, end of.

I’ll never understand why the English want a useless Bullingdon boy, a racist, homophobic, bigoted, misogynistic liar of a man as their PM.

Agree not a fan. 

Do I need to dig out that graph again?  You know, the one that shows the GDP per captia of Scotland v GDP per capita of the UK as a whole.

Utter bollocks what is there 5.5m Scots ish 56m English ability to raise tax revenue no brainier.  Plus we the English, award, support, hold up and fund your country and economy, without us your GDP would be on the floor.   :rollin :rollin



And don’t forget that despite the UK being one of the richest countries in Europe, England has 9 out of the 10 poorest regions in the EU. 


Yep because of the greed we've all been mentioning, e.g the likes of Mogg and his crew. 

The truth is Scotland subsidises England – always has.

Really so why is it we have to keep bailing you out, extra grants etc.

Oh and https://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/13287 (https://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/13287)


Now the oil isn't yours, it just happens to land in Scotland and we the English fund the industry provide you with jobs etc.  We could just as easily albeit for a cost run the pipe longer  ;)

Now that's the last I'm saying on this, as I mentioned earlier I want the Union to remain, we'll all be weaker alone. 
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Post by: YamFazFan on 05 April 2020, 03:23:45 PM
As these facts were well known before the general election late last year, well presumably these are characteristics that are currently admired by many in England.   
I think it was possibly more a case of disliking the characteristics of Corbyn that sealed it :lol
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Post by: YamFazFan on 05 April 2020, 03:29:18 PM
Now that's the last I'm saying on this
No keep going Gnasher, I'm enjoying it  :lol :lurk
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 05 April 2020, 03:48:01 PM
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    Do I need to dig out that graph again?  You know, the one that shows the GDP per captia of Scotland v GDP per capita of the UK as a whole.
 
 
Utter bollocks what is there 5.5m Scots ish 56m English ability to raise tax revenue no brainier.  Plus we the English, award, support, hold up and fund your country and economy, without us your GDP would be on the floor.   :rollin :rollin

Note that the following graph is Scotland v UK as a whole.
 
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 05 April 2020, 03:48:59 PM
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Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: Gnasher on 05 April 2020, 04:31:04 PM
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you need to start reading what your own government is putting out ]https://www.gov.scot/publications/about-government-expenditure-and-revenue-scotland/ (https://www.gov.scot/publications/about-government-expenditure-and-revenue-scotland/)


 :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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Post by: agricola on 05 April 2020, 04:42:32 PM
and this thread too has turned into another VNA thread venting his anti English anger. Mr Predictable


The Prime Minister is indeed a racist, homophobic, bigoted, misogynistic liar.  He’s also an incompetent arse

Dont be afraid to publish your evidence of these claims
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Post by: steve 10562cc on 05 April 2020, 04:44:37 PM
He can't read what his government put out his head is so far up his ass he's blind to any thing other than his sh*t he puts out.
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Post by: vinnyb on 05 April 2020, 04:45:21 PM
and this thread too has turned into another VNA thread venting his anti English anger. Mr Predictable


The Prime Minister is indeed a racist, homophobic, bigoted, misogynistic liar.  He’s also an incompetent arse

Dont be afraid to publish your evidence of these claims

  Of course it has, it was inevitable wasn't it?
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: YamFazFan on 05 April 2020, 04:52:41 PM
Note that the following graph is Scotland v UK as a whole.
And what's the Scottish GDP deficit versus the UK as a whole?
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: Gnasher on 05 April 2020, 04:56:37 PM
Scotlands chief medical officer visits second home despite telling others not to do so...
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/apr/05/scotland-chief-medical-officer-seen-flouting-lockdown-advice-catherine-calderwood (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/apr/05/scotland-chief-medical-officer-seen-flouting-lockdown-advice-catherine-calderwood)

Utterly unacceptable, here's classic example of "do as I say not as I do" sack the bitch :evil
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 05 April 2020, 05:01:40 PM
 
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you need to start reading what your own government is putting out
I’ll quote this bit for your benefit……..
 
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Q: Is GERS a description of the whole Scottish economy?
 
A: No. GERS reports only on public sector revenue and expenditure. Although these may be affected by economic performance, GERS does not directly report on Scotland’s wider economy.
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 05 April 2020, 05:11:46 PM
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Quote from: YamFazFan on Today at 01:49:11 PM
 
    Scotlands chief medical officer visits second home despite telling others not to do so...
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/apr/05/scotland-chief-medical-officer-seen-flouting-lockdown-advice-catherine-calderwood (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/apr/05/scotland-chief-medical-officer-seen-flouting-lockdown-advice-catherine-calderwood)
 
 
Utterly unacceptable, here's classic example of "do as I say not as I do" sack the bitch :evil
Steady Gnasher.  Bitch?  Is that really necessary?


Buy yes, Catherine Calderwood has been standing next to the First Minister day after day, stressing to us all the importance of staying at home, and no non-essential travel. 



I’d say she hasn’t followed her own advice, and that perhaps as a result she lacks credibility.  I get the impression that the Scottish public are not too impressed.  She should consider her position.
 
But then again, I seem to remember you defending Charlie boy.  Unlike Charlie, Ms Calderwood doesn’t have staff to check or run her second home (2nd, 3rd, 4th whose counting in Charlie’s case).



But, of course, it appears we are unable to sack these royal spongers, who clearly have no intention of following any government advice whatsoever. 
 
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: Gnasher on 05 April 2020, 05:28:13 PM
Steady Gnasher.  Bitch?  Is that really necessary?


Yes, this sort of thing really makes my blood boil.  They're millions of people stuck in crowded accommodation, flats, tower blocks, shared rented housing etc up and down the UK and she's off visiting a second home, WTF.  I'd not just sack her she'd get the maximum penalty under the current law, lose all her pension rights thus far accrued from her current position and never be allowed to hold a government position again.


This sort of behaviour is all too common in today's world and it's nearly always those in positions of privilege who're doing it.       
 
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: YamFazFan on 05 April 2020, 05:38:23 PM
Steady Gnasher.  Bitch?  Is that really necessary?
I call a spade a spade.


The Prime Minister is indeed a racist, homophobic, bigoted, misogynistic liar.  He’s also an incompetent arse.     
Errrm...errrr :rolleyes
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: YamFazFan on 05 April 2020, 05:43:27 PM
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Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: YamFazFan on 05 April 2020, 05:50:59 PM
Aye but the Tories are rich cunts, rich cunts
Steady Gnasher.  Bitch?  Is that really necessary?
Errrm...errrr :rolleyes
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 05 April 2020, 07:02:46 PM
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Quote from: VNA on Today at 11:25:25 AM
 
    Aye but the Tories are rich cunts, rich cunts
 
Quote from: VNA on Today at 05:11:46 PM
 
    Steady Gnasher.  Bitch?  Is that really necessary?
 
Errrm...errrr

If you are going to quote me, do so correctly.
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    In short, they're ALL c***s.  :thumbup
 
Aye but the Tories are rich cunts, rich cunts that you voted in and are going to fuck you over.  So who are the real fannies then?

And it’s in the context of the leader of the house, Rees-Mogg, and his chums (Boris and friends) wetting their pants at the thought of all the cash they are gonna make. 

 
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 05 April 2020, 07:06:54 PM
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    Steady Gnasher.  Bitch?  Is that really necessary?
 
 
 
Yes, this sort of thing really makes my blood boil.  They're millions of people stuck in crowded accommodation, flats, tower blocks, shared rented housing etc up and down the UK and she's off visiting a second home, WTF.  I'd not just sack her she'd get the maximum penalty under the current law, lose all her pension rights thus far accrued from her current position and never be allowed to hold a government position again.
 
 
This sort of behaviour is all too common in today's world and it's nearly always those in positions of privilege who're doing it.       

You mean like Prince Charlie.  So if you are happy with Charlie – who was already showing symptoms of Covid19 – fleeing to his Scottish castle.  Well, why can’t Catherine Calderwood drive 40 miles to check on her second home.
 
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Post by: YamFazFan on 05 April 2020, 07:44:12 PM
You mean like Prince Charlie.  So if you are happy with Charlie – who was already showing symptoms of Covid19 – fleeing to his Scottish castle.  Well, why can’t Catherine Calderwood drive 40 miles to check on her second home.
Twice in the space of 2 weeks, with a family dog walk thrown in for good measure? :rolleyes .
I expect those people having a BBQ on Brighton beach said they were just 'checking' that the tide is still going in and out twice a day :lol
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 05 April 2020, 07:59:05 PM
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Twice in the space of 2 weeks, with a family dog walk thrown in for good measure? ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/rolleyes.gif[/url]) .

 I don’t disagree.  I’ve tweeted at wee Nikki, the SNP and the CMO, calling for her resignation.  I strongly suspect that I am not alone in doing so. I really don’t see how she can continue.


FM is showing a lack of judgement in backing her.
 
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: Gnasher on 05 April 2020, 08:27:46 PM
You mean like Prince Charlie.  So if you are happy with Charlie – who was already showing symptoms of Covid19 – fleeing to his Scottish castle.  Well, why can’t Catherine Calderwood drive 40 miles to check on her second home.


Charles went I believe for some of the reasons I gave earlier, like or not he is who he is.


He's not an appointed civil servant who happens to be the Scotland's medical officer, standing on TV telling others not to do, exactly what's shes been doing.


Sack the bitch, end of.   
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: Gnasher on 05 April 2020, 08:28:45 PM
You mean like Prince Charlie.  So if you are happy with Charlie – who was already showing symptoms of Covid19 – fleeing to his Scottish castle.  Well, why can’t Catherine Calderwood drive 40 miles to check on her second home.


Charles went I believe for some of the reasons I gave earlier, like or not he is who he is.


He's not an appointed civil servant who happens to be the Scotland's chief medical officer, standing on TV telling others not to do, exactly what's shes been doing.


Sack the bitch, end of.   
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 05 April 2020, 08:32:42 PM
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Quote from: VNA on Today at 07:06:54 PM
 
    You mean like Prince Charlie.  So if you are happy with Charlie – who was already showing symptoms of Covid19 – fleeing to his Scottish castle.  Well, why can’t Catherine Calderwood drive 40 miles to check on her second home.
 
 
 
Charles went I believe for some of the reasons I gave earlier, like or not he is who he is.
 
 
He's not an appointed civil servant who happens to be the Scotland's medical officer, standing on TV telling others not to do, exactly what's shes been doing.
 
 
Sack the bitch, end of.   

Yup the plebs must stay at home.  The holiday makers and caravaners must return home.  But His Royal Fucking Highness can do just as he pleases.
Gnasher right now, you are making about as much sense as Catherine Calderwood.
 
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Post by: mtread on 05 April 2020, 08:35:44 PM
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Her Majesty The Queen, God bless her, to address the nation at 8pm this evening.
Confused nation panic buys turkeys and xmas puddings while hitting the Baileys.  :)
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Post by: YamFazFan on 05 April 2020, 08:39:40 PM
 :lol
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Post by: fazersharp on 05 April 2020, 08:40:40 PM
You mean like Prince Charlie.  So if you are happy with Charlie – who was already showing symptoms of Covid19 – fleeing to his Scottish castle.  Well, why can’t Catherine Calderwood drive 40 miles to check on her second home.
Twice in the space of 2 weeks, with a family dog walk thrown in for good measure? :rolleyes .
I expect those people having a BBQ on Brighton beach said they were just 'checking' that the tide is still going in and out twice a day :lol
:rollin :rollin
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Post by: mtread on 05 April 2020, 08:41:07 PM
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He's not an appointed civil servant who happens to be the Scotland's medical officer, standing on TV telling others not to do, exactly what's shes been doing.
You're quite right. He's an unappointed civil servant who happens to be the next king (probably), and whose mother is telling others not to do exactly what he's done.  :lol
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: fazersharp on 05 April 2020, 08:41:46 PM
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Her Majesty The Queen, God bless her, to address the nation at 8pm this evening.
Confused nation panic buys turkeys and xmas puddings while hitting the Baileys.  :)
Is that yours, if so very well done.
Actually I snaffled a bottle the other day whilst shopping for essentials in morrisons £12 for a ltr  :thumbup
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Post by: YamFazFan on 05 April 2020, 08:46:34 PM
Excellent speech by Her Majesty this evening BTW.

 :guitar God Save The Queen :guitar
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Post by: fazersharp on 05 April 2020, 08:54:19 PM
Excellent speech by Her Majesty this evening BTW.

 :guitar God Save The Queen :guitar
Thank you Ma'm your words are a comfort to us all. God save the Queen.
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 05 April 2020, 09:09:39 PM
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Quote from: YamFazFan on Today at 08:46:34 PM ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php?topic=25976.msg311885#msg311885[/url])<blockquote>Excellent speech by Her Majesty this evening BTW.

 ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/guitar.gif[/url]) God Save The Queen ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/guitar.gif[/url])
</blockquote>Thank you Ma'm your words are a comfort to us all. God save the Queen.

Did she tell that stupid boy of her's to come back hame?
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: fazersharp on 05 April 2020, 09:27:18 PM
Boris admitted to hospital. At least VNA will be happy for 5 focing minutes.
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Post by: YamFazFan on 05 April 2020, 09:35:18 PM
Boris admitted to hospital. At least VNA will be happy for 5 focing minutes.
I doubt it'll take as long as five minutes before the suggestions of 'queue jumping' start :z
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 05 April 2020, 09:38:27 PM
Not good news.  One would have expected a healthy fit man in his mid 50's would shake this virus off.
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Post by: YamFazFan on 05 April 2020, 09:43:26 PM
And hopefully he still will.
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 05 April 2020, 09:47:42 PM
Indeed.
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 05 April 2020, 10:03:18 PM
CMO has resigned
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Post by: coffee on 05 April 2020, 10:49:14 PM
Don't know whether anyone has posted something like this before but what if this is a way of reducing the population by the powers that be,I mean in the past we've had wars and plagues and other horrible things which have kept the population in check and they must realise that a nuclear war would virtually destroy mankind. So why not release a virus which is designed to kill in the main the older generation leaving the majority young and middle aged to carry on with no problem of feeding the billions for a few generations because with todays technology I would have thought a vaccine would be available virtually overnight if they were that concerned.If this is the case,well we're all fucked. :eek
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 05 April 2020, 10:57:25 PM
Lay off the acid coffee :lol
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Post by: mtread on 05 April 2020, 11:57:05 PM
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Is that yours, if so very well done.
No I pinched it from elsewhere  :)
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Post by: mtread on 06 April 2020, 12:01:43 AM
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Don't know whether anyone has posted something like this before but what if this is a way of reducing the population by the powers that be,I mean in the past we've had wars and plagues and other horrible things which have kept the population in check and they must realise that a nuclear war would virtually destroy mankind. So why not release a virus which is designed to kill in the main the older generation leaving the majority young and middle aged to carry on with no problem of feeding the billions for a few generations because with todays technology I would have thought a vaccine would be available virtually overnight if they were that concerned.If this is the case,well we're all fucked.

..... and Boris Johnson, Donald Trump and Putin are actually alien reptiles assuming human form, and the moon isn't real. We're all 'Icke'd'  8)
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Post by: fazersharp on 06 April 2020, 12:27:09 AM
Don't know whether anyone has posted something like this before but what if this is a way of reducing the population by the powers that be,I mean in the past we've had wars and plagues and other horrible things which have kept the population in check and they must realise that a nuclear war would virtually destroy mankind. So why not release a virus which is designed to kill in the main the older generation leaving the majority young and middle aged to carry on with no problem of feeding the billions for a few generations because with todays technology I would have thought a vaccine would be available virtually overnight if they were that concerned.If this is the case,well we're all fucked. :eek
see my post earlier - re Davos, and any others you care to seek out, I have been telling you for years, global warming, climate control ~ all of it. People laughed #notlaughingnow
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: Slaninar on 06 April 2020, 06:27:37 AM
Of all the news articles and interviews that I came across, related to this "latest hit", the best one (in my opinion - best written, as objective as possible and decently argumented) was written by a local, Serbian, jokes and memes Facebook page authors. With their permission, I translated it to English and published (our conclusion was: "why should only the Serbs suffer with our drivel!"). This is it:

https://blog.bikegremlin.com/729/best-corona-virus-article/
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Post by: Gnasher on 06 April 2020, 09:33:53 AM
Of all the news articles and interviews that I came across, related to this "latest hit", the best one (in my opinion - best written, as objective as possible and decently argumented) was written by a local, Serbian, jokes and memes Facebook page authors. With their permission, I translated it to English and published (our conclusion was: "why should only the Serbs suffer with our drivel!"). This is it:

https://blog.bikegremlin.com/729/best-corona-virus-article/ (https://blog.bikegremlin.com/729/best-corona-virus-article/)

This is about right and if you know where to look the evidence is strong, the Chinese were indeed working on the SARS virus in Wuhan. 

This is on the net so I'm sure he won't mind it being copied here.

A friend of a friend knows a guy in Canada this is what he had to say about COVID-19 conspiracy theory.

Before my life of messing around in people's mouths I studied microbiology and specifically virology as a minor.
I worked in a virus lab for UBC as a tech doing testing for transplant patient screening, think I got some letters for the back of my name too RLT or something like that

I hate the conspiracy BS, but when it quacks and waddles like a duck...it’s a f’ing duck!

China’s authorities shared the genome sequence of this novel virus with the world VERY quickly... like almost too fast. To add fuel to the fire, the head Dr researching in Wuhan had been kicked out of a high level Winnipeg Canada virus lab the previous summer; escorted out of the country by the RCMP.

She was researching coronavirus in Canada and set up a similar lab in Wuhan China. The CBC news had a report and said they could not go into details due to “confidentiality”and that the conspiracy theories are silly.... what a load of S, you can easily look up this dr lady’s name and her team was all import Chinese There is also a Harvard Dr, a viral researcher in deep deep do doo for having Chinese gov $ and affiliations while also doing high level US gov research, in plain contradiction to the US laws  A Chinese national was caught at the airport with a freaking vial of lab material stuffed in his GD sock!!! Another member had Chinese military connections as well as being a ‘lab technician’ If nothing is going on, then news needs to be open and transparent . Otherwise supposition gets started like a forest fire in tinder dry woods. It is hard to filter through BS news, nut jobs and politically driven news.

Here there are too many conspicuous coincidences for my mind....IMHO CCP was doing coronavirus genetic research in foreign countries and at home. Why?? I cannot say. But IMHO, they let the proverbial cat out of the bag and it got away from them. As said they got scared pretty quick and closed stuff down RFN. Innocent or not, it started there and they had the genome very quickly. They will never admit it or might be on the hook for the deaths and financial disaster they are causing worldwide. IMHO.
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: YamFazFan on 06 April 2020, 10:19:53 AM

Just been reading in the paper that regarding the social distancing rules..."There has been evidence that for some young people, there has been a lower level of compliance" and..."It may be that young people feel that they are less likely to be affected and less likely to be infected".


They were quick enough to lecture the rest of us about the dangers of 'Climate Change' the other week though weren't they :rolleyes
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: Slaninar on 06 April 2020, 10:33:30 AM
Of all the news articles and interviews that I came across, related to this "latest hit", the best one (in my opinion - best written, as objective as possible and decently argumented) was written by a local, Serbian, jokes and memes Facebook page authors. With their permission, I translated it to English and published (our conclusion was: "why should only the Serbs suffer with our drivel!"). This is it:

https://blog.bikegremlin.com/729/best-corona-virus-article/ (https://blog.bikegremlin.com/729/best-corona-virus-article/)

This is about right and if you know where to look the evidence is strong, the Chinese were indeed working on the SARS virus in Wuhan. 

This is on the net so I'm sure he won't mind it being copied here.


No - I did ask for the permission  -as stated at the very end. The lads are cool and were fine with the idea - we apparently have similarly sick, highly questionable, sense of humour.

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A friend of a friend knows a guy in Canada this is what he had to say about COVID-19 conspiracy theory.

Before my life of messing around in people's mouths I studied microbiology and specifically virology as a minor.
I worked in a virus lab for UBC as a tech doing testing for transplant patient screening, think I got some letters for the back of my name too RLT or something like that

I hate the conspiracy BS, but when it quacks and waddles like a duck...it’s a f’ing duck!

China’s authorities shared the genome sequence of this novel virus with the world VERY quickly... like almost too fast. To add fuel to the fire, the head Dr researching in Wuhan had been kicked out of a high level Winnipeg Canada virus lab the previous summer; escorted out of the country by the RCMP.

She was researching coronavirus in Canada and set up a similar lab in Wuhan China. The CBC news had a report and said they could not go into details due to “confidentiality”and that the conspiracy theories are silly.... what a load of S, you can easily look up this dr lady’s name and her team was all import Chinese There is also a Harvard Dr, a viral researcher in deep deep do doo for having Chinese gov $ and affiliations while also doing high level US gov research, in plain contradiction to the US laws  A Chinese national was caught at the airport with a freaking vial of lab material stuffed in his GD sock!!! Another member had Chinese military connections as well as being a ‘lab technician’ If nothing is going on, then news needs to be open and transparent . Otherwise supposition gets started like a forest fire in tinder dry woods. It is hard to filter through BS news, nut jobs and politically driven news.

Here there are too many conspicuous coincidences for my mind....IMHO CCP was doing coronavirus genetic research in foreign countries and at home. Why?? I cannot say. But IMHO, they let the proverbial cat out of the bag and it got away from them. As said they got scared pretty quick and closed stuff down RFN. Innocent or not, it started there and they had the genome very quickly. They will never admit it or might be on the hook for the deaths and financial disaster they are causing worldwide. IMHO.


We'll probably never know the whole truth. Now it boils down to how to fight it and how to prevent similar stuff from re-occuring, without keeping the entire world's population on a lockdown and 24/7 tracking surveillance.



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Post by: Gnasher on 06 April 2020, 11:14:48 AM

We'll probably never know the whole truth. Now it boils down to how to fight it and how to prevent similar stuff from re-occuring, without keeping the entire world's population on a lockdown and 24/7 tracking surveillance.


What is really ironic is the Chinese were spraying everything, we in the West don't appear to have done this? 


The Chinese say they had almost 82k infected and only 3331 deaths, we've had almost 5k and it's still going.  Now either they're lying which is very likely or they know something we don't? 


I'm also puzzled that after approx 3 months of lock down they are unlocking but only testing the same 40k out of 80k people they're testing every couple of days.  The other 40k are Dr & health workers but what about the other god knows 100's K!     
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Post by: Slaninar on 06 April 2020, 11:28:18 AM

We'll probably never know the whole truth. Now it boils down to how to fight it and how to prevent similar stuff from re-occuring, without keeping the entire world's population on a lockdown and 24/7 tracking surveillance.


What is really ironic is the Chinese were spraying everything, we in the West don't appear to have done this? 


The Chinese say they had almost 82k infected and only 3331 deaths, we've had almost 5k and it's still going.  Now either they're lying which is very likely or they know something we don't? 


I'm also puzzled that after approx 3 months of lock down they are unlocking but only testing the same 40k out of 80k people they're testing every couple of days.  The other 40k are Dr & health workers but what about the other god knows 100's K!   


Many people from my country went to work, mostly as teachers, to China. So, some 1st hand news.


Strict discipline, respecting isolation, and the precautions (clothes from going outside get taken to a balcony/separated when indoors, disinfecting them, washing hands, wearing masks...).
Unlike here, where people are outraged at the government for introducing a curfew (with numbers rapidly rising and our health care system fucked for decades now), there no one even considers whether the measures are strict, good, bad - it's just obeyed.


If those people were lying to me, then I'm lying to you. But I trust this info more than the news.


At the same time - I'm sure most governments are playing down the numbers to prevent panic, or making it sound more serious than it is if they don't (yet) have an outbreak - to have the people take it seriously.


So far, here, we've had both.  :)
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Post by: fazersharp on 06 April 2020, 11:39:30 AM
That 13 year old lad that died with "no underlining health issues", anyone remember that there was going to be a postmortem. Well very quietly someone has put a stop to it  ;) . I think they need a healthy young death chalked up to covid to make the kids take it seriously.
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 06 April 2020, 11:46:58 AM
 So, with Boris not too well, though obviously we all hope he makes a full recovery, will Dominic Raab have to step in?


If you want to get a flavour of the man you could do worse than watch this. Dominic Raab – it’s almost as if he takes a pride in getting everything wrong. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkGHTCFeyAk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkGHTCFeyAk)



 
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: Gnasher on 06 April 2020, 11:59:29 AM

Many people from my country went to work, mostly as teachers, to China. So, some 1st hand news.


Strict discipline, respecting isolation, and the precautions (clothes from going outside get taken to a balcony/separated when indoors, disinfecting them, washing hands, wearing masks...).
Unlike here, where people are outraged at the government for introducing a curfew (with numbers rapidly rising and our health care system fucked for decades now), there no one even considers whether the measures are strict, good, bad - it's just obeyed.


If those people were lying to me, then I'm lying to you. But I trust this info more than the news.


At the same time - I'm sure most governments are playing down the numbers to prevent panic, or making it sound more serious than it is if they don't (yet) have an outbreak - to have the people take it seriously.


So far, here, we've had both.  :)

I do appreciate the Chinese have probably after N Korea with Russia close third, the ability to enforce such harsh lock down and control the news/social media.  I too know of people that are there and they were cut off and warned that they were being monitored, so getting a real picture even from your friends if they're still there will be difficult. 

Yes governments would love to hide news, not so easy in the West, due to whistle blowing, reporters etc, so I think you'll find there'll be a lot less of it, plus the political damage if they're caught.

My question is why aren't the West doing the same sort of measures, albeit with consent.  Is it they don't work and it's all just a front or something else? 

       
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: fazersharp on 06 April 2020, 12:01:35 PM
Don't know whether anyone has posted something like this before but what if this is a way of reducing the population by the powers that be.
see my post earlier - re Davos, and any others you care to seek out, I have been telling you for years.


 Here you are from last year


 
The data quoted in the independent comes from organisations directly funded by the EU. Its all part of agenda 21 to control and reduce populations "  sustainable population"
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 06 April 2020, 12:05:27 PM
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Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: fazersharp on 06 April 2020, 12:06:31 PM
CMO has resigned
little Jimmy cranky showed a complete lack of judgement and leadership in not moving to sack the stupid woman straight away.
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: Slaninar on 06 April 2020, 12:07:23 PM

Many people from my country went to work, mostly as teachers, to China. So, some 1st hand news.


Strict discipline, respecting isolation, and the precautions (clothes from going outside get taken to a balcony/separated when indoors, disinfecting them, washing hands, wearing masks...).
Unlike here, where people are outraged at the government for introducing a curfew (with numbers rapidly rising and our health care system fucked for decades now), there no one even considers whether the measures are strict, good, bad - it's just obeyed.


If those people were lying to me, then I'm lying to you. But I trust this info more than the news.


At the same time - I'm sure most governments are playing down the numbers to prevent panic, or making it sound more serious than it is if they don't (yet) have an outbreak - to have the people take it seriously.


So far, here, we've had both.  :)

I do appreciate the Chinese have probably after N Korea with Russia close third, the ability to enforce such harsh lock down and control the news/social media.  I too know of people that are there and they were cut off and warned that they were being monitored, so getting a real picture even from your friends if they're still there will be difficult. 

Yes governments would love to hide news, not so easy in the West, due to whistle blowing, reporters etc, so I think you'll find there'll be a lot less of it, plus the political damage if they're caught.

My question is why aren't the West doing the same sort of measures, albeit with consent.  Is it they don't work and it's all just a front or something else? 

     


My 2c - though it's next to impossible for any monkey to get the full picture:


In the west, censorship works by having LOADS of (conflicting) information. So you still get brainwashed and practically censored.


As far as lockdown - from what I could hear from epidemiologists - World Health Organization is lacking in that field of expertise. Because epidemics have not been a problem for decades. EX communist block had very good experts in that field, people who had worked during the 80s - who are now mostly retired, but getting called back and consulted.


Isolation is the most effective measure - 24/7 lockdown. If there is no vaccine.


Making a vaccine will take minimum 2, probably about 10 years.


However, people in the west are strongly opposing being locked down (or just locked, boils down to that, doesn't it?) and phone surveilance (for tracking contacts and isolating those who were in contact with the infected).


I am convinced that corporations and the governments will try to make the most of this - in terms of control and surveillance. Abusing it as much as possible. Not the slightest doubt about that.
However, at the same time, I am convinced (based on my information and experience - which is limited) that those measures are necessary now. If we value human life more than convenience, or money.
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: Gnasher on 06 April 2020, 12:09:19 PM
little Jimmy cranky showed a complete lack of judgement and leadership in not moving to sack the stupid woman straight away.


Spot on mate
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: YamFazFan on 06 April 2020, 03:23:45 PM

So, with Boris not too well, though obviously we all hope he makes a full recovery, will Dominic Raab have to step in?


If you want to get a flavour of the man you could do worse than watch this. Dominic Raab – it’s almost as if he takes a pride in getting everything wrong. 

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkGHTCFeyAk[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkGHTCFeyAk[/url])



Can you find one that's not James O'Brien?. I can't watch that t****r :\
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: YamFazFan on 06 April 2020, 03:28:13 PM
...and not Owen Jones either :rolleyes
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Post by: mtread on 06 April 2020, 03:43:35 PM
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little Jimmy cranky showed a complete lack of judgement and leadership in not moving to sack the stupid woman straight away.
Blimey, it usually takes forever to sack a Tory Minister....... and then they reappear as Home Secretary.  :rolleyes
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 06 April 2020, 08:13:22 PM
Prime Minister Boris Johnson has been moved to intensive care. 
Not good news.
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: fazersharp on 06 April 2020, 08:38:43 PM
Prime Minister Boris Johnson has been moved to intensive care. 
Not good news.

Are you sure :rolleyes
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 06 April 2020, 09:36:35 PM
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Quote from: VNA on Today at 08:13:22 PM ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php?topic=25976.msg311949#msg311949[/url])<blockquote>Prime Minister Boris Johnson has been moved to intensive care. 
Not good news.

</blockquote>Are you sure

 Yup it’s been all over the media for the last hour or so.
The only positive is, according to reports, that whilst he is on oxygen he is not using a ventilator.
 
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: fazersharp on 06 April 2020, 09:46:00 PM
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Quote from: VNA on Today at 08:13:22 PM ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php?topic=25976.msg311949#msg311949[/url])<blockquote>Prime Minister Boris Johnson has been moved to intensive care. 
Not good news.

</blockquote>Are you sure

 Yup it’s been all over the media for the last hour or so.
The only positive is, according to reports, that whilst he is on oxygen he is not using a ventilator.
 
That's NOT what I was saying  :rolleyes
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: Grahamm on 06 April 2020, 10:23:01 PM
Prime Minister Boris Johnson has been moved to intensive care. 
Not good news.

Whilst I'm not one of the ones wishing him dead, I wouldn't have shed any tears had he been left on a trolley in a corridor overnight...
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 06 April 2020, 10:30:42 PM
 
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Quote from: VNA on Today at 09:36:35 PM
 
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        Quote from: VNA on Today at 08:13:22 PM<blockquote>Prime Minister Boris Johnson has been moved to intensive care.
        Not good news.
 
        </blockquote>Are you sure
 
 
     Yup it’s been all over the media for the last hour or so.
    The only positive is, according to reports, that whilst he is on oxygen he is not using a ventilator.

     
 
That's NOT what I was saying 

He’s definitely not in a good way, and has been admitted to intensive care.
 
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: coffee on 06 April 2020, 11:29:33 PM
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Don't know whether anyone has posted something like this before but what if this is a way of reducing the population by the powers that be,I mean in the past we've had wars and plagues and other horrible things which have kept the population in check and they must realise that a nuclear war would virtually destroy mankind. So why not release a virus which is designed to kill in the main the older generation leaving the majority young and middle aged to carry on with no problem of feeding the billions for a few generations because with todays technology I would have thought a vaccine would be available virtually overnight if they were that concerned.If this is the case,well we're all fucked.

..... and Boris Johnson, Donald Trump and Putin are actually alien reptiles assuming human form, and the moon isn't real. We're all 'Icke'd'  8)







Do you actually believe those people run the world? if so you must also believe we went to the moon and didn't fly drones into the twin towers then drop them and so on and so on,surely not that naive ?
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: darrsi on 07 April 2020, 07:19:46 AM
Prime Minister Boris Johnson has been moved to intensive care. 
Not good news.

Whilst I'm not one of the ones wishing him dead, I wouldn't have shed any tears had he been left on a trolley in a corridor overnight...


Someone just had to say something out of order didn't they! The man is in intensive care fighting for his life.
Well done for stepping up Grahamm.....you complete and utter tosser.  :grumble
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: YamFazFan on 07 April 2020, 07:57:52 AM

Prime Minister Boris Johnson has been moved to intensive care. 
Not good news.

Whilst I'm not one of the ones wishing him dead


Great generosity of spirit there Grahamm. Thanks for clarifying :thumbup
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 07 April 2020, 11:07:40 AM
Quote from: Grahamm on 06 April 2020, 10:23:01 PM (http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php?topic=25976.msg311955#msg311955)<blockquote>Quote from: VNA on 06 April 2020, 08:13:22 PM (http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php?topic=25976.msg311949#msg311949)
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<blockquote><blockquote>Prime Minister Boris Johnson has been moved to intensive care. 
Not good news.
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Whilst I'm not one of the ones wishing him dead, I wouldn't have shed any tears had he been left on a trolley in a corridor overnight...
</blockquote>

Someone just had to say something out of order didn't they! The man is in intensive care fighting for his life.
Well done for stepping up Grahamm.....you complete and utter tosser. 



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Look Boris Johnson is a racist, homophobic, misogynistic liar.  He’s an Eton boy, a Bullingdon club member, a man who believes it is his destiny and his right to lead this country. 





A man of such great importance and entitlement, so much so that BREXIT was just an opportunity to further his career and carve a route to becoming PM.  We all know that deep down Johnson does not believe in BREXIT – he believes only in himself. 





His party has failed over the years to the follow the advice of the WHO.  And whilst this mess is not entirely Boris Johnsons fault, the government continued under his stewardship to ignore the advice of the WHO.  Don’t forget that this is a government that has ‘had enough of experts.  They know best.





We are, as a result of the arrogance and selfish entitlement of the Tory party completely unprepared for this event, an event that the WHO has been telling us for long and weary is not if, but when.




Let’s be clear, we are facing, in the UK, not just the greatest health care crises in modern times, but also the biggest, deepest recession any of us will have ever seen, and I hope will ever see.  The impact of both aspects of this Covid19 event will be so much harder because the people of the UK elected a Tory government.




Meanwhile Boris, the man who would be king, the man who lied to us to become king, now lies in one of the numerous hospitals he’d love to privatise fighting for his life. Covid19 cares not for his breeding, cares not for his education, cares not that he is PM - I wish him well. 





But meanwhile lets get through this, lets get to the other end, lets get back to work – then organise, take to the streets, hold a general election, and get these clowns tae fuck. 

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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 07 April 2020, 11:14:40 AM
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Post by: fazersharp on 07 April 2020, 11:25:20 AM
PM - I wish him well. 
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Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: Oldgit on 07 April 2020, 11:49:54 AM
bottles
bottles
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 07 April 2020, 11:58:03 AM
 
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 I hope the PM makes a speedy and full recovery.
 
The other aspect is.  Mr Johnson is a fit and healthy man.  A man also with considerable energy and drive.  Let’s be honest, when it was first announced he had contracted Covid19, we all thought a week or so in isolation and he’ll be back at No.10 none the worse.
 
Clearly Covi19 is not the flu.  It’s much much more contagious, it already mutating, and if you catch it, which is highly likely, there’s no knowing quite how it will affect you, that is if it affects you at all. 
 
     
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 07 April 2020, 12:00:07 PM
 Thank goodness wee Nikki has kept the distilleries open oldgit.
 
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: Oldgit on 07 April 2020, 12:35:29 PM
aye it soon builds up.
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: Grahamm on 07 April 2020, 12:37:43 PM
Someone just had to say something out of order didn't they! The man is in intensive care fighting for his life.
Well done for stepping up Grahamm.....you complete and utter tosser.  :grumble

Ladies and Gentlemen, in my pocket I have a sealed envelope with a prediction I made of two names...

 :rolleyes
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: YamFazFan on 07 April 2020, 12:50:10 PM


Whilst I'm not one of the ones wishing him dead, I wouldn't have shed any tears had he been left on a trolley in a corridor overnight...


Ladies and Gentlemen, in my pocket I have a sealed envelope with a prediction I made of one name...
 :rolleyes
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: Grahamm on 07 April 2020, 01:25:19 PM


Whilst I'm not one of the ones wishing him dead, I wouldn't have shed any tears had he been left on a trolley in a corridor overnight...


Ladies and Gentlemen, in my pocket I have a sealed envelope with a prediction I made of one name...
 :rolleyes

Let me explain something to you:

I have a friend who is a senior Nurse and been in the NHS for over 25 years.  She suffers from a long term debilitating condition called Fibromyalgia that can cause chronic pain all over the body and extreme fatigue. Her husband has developed multiple sclerosis and she has two daughters, one of whom has Aspergers Syndrome.

Literally just a couple of months ago, she retired, looking forward to moving from Portsmouth and opening up a little art gallery and taking life easy.

Now, instead, she has given that all up and chosen to put herself back into the NHS to *RISK HER LIFE* and care for people *LIKE JOHNSON* who clearly didn't understand the risks of COVID-19 because he decided to go around "shaking hands with lots of people", as she works in a healthcare system which is massively underfunded and understaffed and overstretched because of the Austerity cuts imposed by the Tory Party and voted for and supported by people *LIKE JOHNSON*!

This isn't the fault of Labour, it isn't the fault of the EU, it isn't the fault of immigrants, it isn't the fault of anyone BUT people *LIKE JOHNSON* because our Healthcare system doesn't have the staff or the resources or the equipment or the basic protections that Nurses like her NEED to keep them safe!

So please excuse me if I find it difficult to give a FOC about Johnson when HIS PARTY and HIS ACTIONS and HIS FAILING TO LISTEN TO THE EXPERTS AND ACT APPROPRIATELY have put MY FRIEND in danger.

Of course some apologists, in a desperate attempt to silence VALID CRITICISM and the statement of FACTS will try to claim that this is "politicising the crisis" or will attack someone for stating that it would be only fair for people *LIKE JOHNSON* not to "jump the queue" or use NHS resources that others from others who also need them, simply because of their political position.

Now please enjoy the last word.
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: darrsi on 07 April 2020, 01:29:55 PM


Whilst I'm not one of the ones wishing him dead, I wouldn't have shed any tears had he been left on a trolley in a corridor overnight...


Ladies and Gentlemen, in my pocket I have a sealed envelope with a prediction I made of one name...
 :rolleyes

Let me explain something to you:

I have a friend who is a senior Nurse and been in the NHS for over 25 years.  She suffers from a long term debilitating condition called Fibromyalgia that can cause chronic pain all over the body and extreme fatigue. Her husband has developed multiple sclerosis and she has two daughters, one of whom has Aspergers Syndrome.

Literally just a couple of months ago, she retired, looking forward to moving from Portsmouth and opening up a little art gallery and taking life easy.

Now, instead, she has given that all up and chosen to put herself back into the NHS to *RISK HER LIFE* and care for people *LIKE JOHNSON* who clearly didn't understand the risks of COVID-19 because he decided to go around "shaking hands with lots of people", as she works in a healthcare system which is massively underfunded and understaffed and overstretched because of the Austerity cuts imposed by the Tory Party and voted for and supported by people *LIKE JOHNSON*!

This isn't the fault of Labour, it isn't the fault of the EU, it isn't the fault of immigrants, it isn't the fault of anyone BUT people *LIKE JOHNSON* because our Healthcare system doesn't have the staff or the resources or the equipment or the basic protections that Nurses like her NEED to keep them safe!

So please excuse me if I find it difficult to give a FOC about Johnson when HIS PARTY and HIS ACTIONS and HIS FAILING TO LISTEN TO THE EXPERTS AND ACT APPROPRIATELY have put MY FRIEND in danger.

Of course some apologists, in a desperate attempt to silence VALID CRITICISM and the statement of FACTS will try to claim that this is "politicising the crisis" or will attack someone for stating that it would be only fair for people *LIKE JOHNSON* not to "jump the queue" or use NHS resources that others from others who also need them, simply because of their political position.

Now please enjoy the last word.


That story doesn't make you any less of an insensitive twunt.
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 07 April 2020, 01:46:37 PM
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That story doesn't make you any less of an insensitive twunt.
Are you just determined to drag every single discussion down to personal name calling?

And why?  Cos you cannae accept or understand, that not everybody shares or holds the same views and outlook as yourself.
So ach, why no, so fuck off ya fud.
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 07 April 2020, 01:57:34 PM
 Meanwhile,
In the UK.
Total tests carried out – 253,000
Total positive – 51,600
Total deaths – 5373







In Germany
Total test carried out – 920,000
Total positive – 103,700
Total deaths – 1,822
It pays to listen to the experts. 
 
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Post by: mtread on 07 April 2020, 02:03:00 PM
This is what a true hypocrite looks like
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: Gnasher on 07 April 2020, 02:14:49 PM
I do find it ironic that, successive governments made up of many of the current cabinet/government members.  Have for years allowed, supported even directly devised, authorised cuts, privatisation and made money out of the NHS and all other government depts.  Knowing they had little chance of using them, high levels of private health care, a lot of which uses NHS facilities, are now having to face their own handy work.  In that just about everything they are trying to do is running into lack of resources, costing time and far more money than they ever saved, because of their cuts.


For some it could well cost their lives  :eek  This virus may well be small, but my god what a leveller  ;)

Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: darrsi on 07 April 2020, 02:43:20 PM
Quote
That story doesn't make you any less of an insensitive twunt.
Are you just determined to drag every single discussion down to personal name calling?

And why?  Cos you cannae accept or understand, that not everybody shares or holds the same views and outlook as yourself.
So ach, why no, so fuck off ya fud.


Oh bore off you self righteous loud mouth.
All you've done throughout most of your posts is insult and name call Boris Johnson.  :moon
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 07 April 2020, 03:00:59 PM
Quote from: VNA on Today at 01:46:37 PM (http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php?topic=25976.msg311999#msg311999)<blockquote>Quote
Quote
<blockquote><blockquote>That story doesn't make you any less of an insensitive twunt. </blockquote>Are you just determined to drag every single discussion down to personal name calling?

And why?  Cos you cannae accept or understand, that not everybody shares or holds the same views and outlook as yourself.
So ach, why no, so fuck off ya fud.
</blockquote>

Oh bore off you self righteous loud mouth.
All you've done throughout most of your posts is insult and name call Boris Johnson. 


I have never insulted or called Johnson names.

What I have done is call him what he is.

Are you not capable of understanding the difference Darssi?
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: YamFazFan on 07 April 2020, 03:19:00 PM
Aye but the Tories are rich cunts, rich cunts
Are you just determined to drag every single discussion down to personal name calling?
:rolleyes
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: darrsi on 07 April 2020, 03:20:04 PM
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<blockquote><blockquote>That story doesn't make you any less of an insensitive twunt. </blockquote>Are you just determined to drag every single discussion down to personal name calling?

And why?  Cos you cannae accept or understand, that not everybody shares or holds the same views and outlook as yourself.
So ach, why no, so fuck off ya fud.
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Oh bore off you self righteous loud mouth.
All you've done throughout most of your posts is insult and name call Boris Johnson. 


I have never insulted or called Johnson names.

What I have done is call him what he is.

Are you not capable of understanding the difference Darssi?



Okay then, we'll play by your rules then.


You're an impossible, self righteous, loud mouthed c**t.


NOT name calling......rememeber, it's just what you are.  :thumbup
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: vinnyb on 07 April 2020, 03:20:56 PM
Quote from: VNA on Today at 01:46:37 PM ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php?topic=25976.msg311999#msg311999[/url])<blockquote>Quote
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<blockquote><blockquote>That story doesn't make you any less of an insensitive twunt. </blockquote>Are you just determined to drag every single discussion down to personal name calling?

And why?  Cos you cannae accept or understand, that not everybody shares or holds the same views and outlook as yourself.
So ach, why no, so fuck off ya fud.
</blockquote>

Oh bore off you self righteous loud mouth.
All you've done throughout most of your posts is insult and name call Boris Johnson. 


I have never insulted or called Johnson names.

What I have done is call him what he is.

Are you not capable of understanding the difference Darssi?




SEE SYNONYMS FOR insult ON THESAURUS.COM (https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/insult)
verb (used with object)to treat or speak to insolently or with contemptuous rudeness; affront.to affect as an affront; offend or demean
It says nothing about whether or not what is said is true. After all if you call a fat person fatty or a bald person baldy or a snowflake a snowflake is it not still an insult?
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: YamFazFan on 07 April 2020, 03:21:49 PM


Whilst I'm not one of the ones wishing him dead, I wouldn't have shed any tears had he been left on a trolley in a corridor overnight...


Ladies and Gentlemen, in my pocket I have a sealed envelope with a prediction I made of one name...
 :rolleyes

Let me explain something to you:

I have a friend who is a senior Nurse and been in the NHS for over 25 years.  She suffers from a long term debilitating condition called Fibromyalgia that can cause chronic pain all over the body and extreme fatigue. Her husband has developed multiple sclerosis and she has two daughters, one of whom has Aspergers Syndrome.

Literally just a couple of months ago, she retired, looking forward to moving from Portsmouth and opening up a little art gallery and taking life easy.

Now, instead, she has given that all up and chosen to put herself back into the NHS to *RISK HER LIFE* and care for people *LIKE JOHNSON* who clearly didn't understand the risks of COVID-19 because he decided to go around "shaking hands with lots of people", as she works in a healthcare system which is massively underfunded and understaffed and overstretched because of the Austerity cuts imposed by the Tory Party and voted for and supported by people *LIKE JOHNSON*!

This isn't the fault of Labour, it isn't the fault of the EU, it isn't the fault of immigrants, it isn't the fault of anyone BUT people *LIKE JOHNSON* because our Healthcare system doesn't have the staff or the resources or the equipment or the basic protections that Nurses like her NEED to keep them safe!

So please excuse me if I find it difficult to give a FOC about Johnson when HIS PARTY and HIS ACTIONS and HIS FAILING TO LISTEN TO THE EXPERTS AND ACT APPROPRIATELY have put MY FRIEND in danger.

Of course some apologists, in a desperate attempt to silence VALID CRITICISM and the statement of FACTS will try to claim that this is "politicising the crisis" or will attack someone for stating that it would be only fair for people *LIKE JOHNSON* not to "jump the queue" or use NHS resources that others from others who also need them, simply because of their political position.

Now please enjoy the last word.


That story doesn't make you any less of an insensitive twunt.
:agree (didn't need a 'last word' Grahamm :) )
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: YamFazFan on 07 April 2020, 03:27:06 PM
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<blockquote><blockquote>That story doesn't make you any less of an insensitive twunt. </blockquote>Are you just determined to drag every single discussion down to personal name calling?

And why?  Cos you cannae accept or understand, that not everybody shares or holds the same views and outlook as yourself.
So ach, why no, so fuck off ya fud.
</blockquote>

Oh bore off you self righteous loud mouth.
All you've done throughout most of your posts is insult and name call Boris Johnson. 


I have never insulted or called Johnson names.

What I have done is call him what he is.

Are you not capable of understanding the difference Darssi?



Okay then, we'll play by your rules then.


You're an impossible, self righteous, loud mouthed c**t.


NOT name calling......rememeber, it's just what you are.  :thumbup

 :agree
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: BBROWN1664 on 07 April 2020, 03:59:42 PM
Wind it in guys or I will start getting out the banning stick and deleting threads.
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: mtread on 07 April 2020, 04:51:42 PM
I thought we were discussing the virus?


Saw my son (key worker) off in the back of an ambulance this morning. Virus + probable fluid on the lung.


Now I suggest we all stop acting like children and do what the moderator says  :rolleyes
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: Slaninar on 07 April 2020, 05:29:30 PM
Apologies in advance if this ends up as "moralizing drivel".

People cope with stress in different ways. And I think we are all stressed and scared these days (I surely am).

Also, many people don't consider most politicians (or celebrities for that matter) as "really human" (just like I'd say that most politicians don't look at the working class as real, equal humans).

The bottom line: I really love this forum. Been on them Internets and worked with computers for all my life - 30 years at minimum now. During that time, I've seen all kinds of on-line flaming and toxicity in general.
Foc-u, however, until now, has painted me a picture of the damn Brits as being a rather sensible and productive folk - with absolutely minimum amount of trolling and flaming per post here (my subjective opinion). And loads of excellent technical advice.

Please, let's keep this civil. We're all in the same boat and, even though I haven't met any of you "in person", I'm sure that most foccers are respectable folk.

Don't take things written now, especially here, especially about some politicians/countries/doctors too personally. At the same time, surely, I would also be more than happy to see foccers refrain from any abusive posts - even if aimed towards the damn politicians.  :)

OK, flushing now.
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 07 April 2020, 05:51:34 PM
 
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Foc-u, however, until now, has painted me a picture of the damn Brits as being a rather sensible and productive folk - with absolutely minimum amount of trolling and flaming per post here (my subjective opinion). And loads of excellent technical advice.
Damn Brits?  Good god!  What are you on about!  Not all on this forum are damn Brits :evil   I’m no more a Brit than you are! >:   Well OK, apart from a slight foccin technicality.  :o
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Apologies in advance if this ends up as "moralizing drivel".
No, but I rather suspect the UK is not the only country in the world with raised alcohol consumption just now.
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with absolutely minimum amount of trolling and flaming per post here
Aye, perhaps here, but have you tried twitter? ;)


Talking of Twitter, I have seen numerous such posts stating that Johnson has got what he deserves.  Whilst I detest the man, I still do sincerely hope he recovers, fully and soon.  Boris Johnson was a fit and healthy man, a man with considerable energy and determination – those who are taking pleasure in his suffering just now, well they better watch oot fae the Covid. 
 
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: Gnasher on 07 April 2020, 05:52:30 PM

Saw my son (key worker) off in the back of an ambulance this morning. Virus + probable fluid on the lung.


Mate my very best wishes to your son, I'm sure he'll pull through.  :)
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 07 April 2020, 05:54:53 PM
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Saw my son (key worker) off in the back of an ambulance this morning. Virus + probable fluid on the lung.
Jesus.  Hopefully he'll be fine.  Thinking of you bud.
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: YamFazFan on 07 April 2020, 07:03:22 PM
But feel free – call me what you want – it will always tell us so much more about you, than it will  ever say about me.
I wouldn't bank on it ;) .
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: Slaninar on 07 April 2020, 07:58:24 PM
But feel free – call me what you want – it will always tell us so much more about you, than it will  ever say about me.
I wouldn't bank on it ;) .


Please guys, let us accept that my member and IQ are still the smallest!
Face it!
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: Slaninar on 07 April 2020, 08:51:47 PM
The Islands?  The British Isles. 


For fun - here it's just referred to as "England" ("Engleska").  :)
Though many programmers have left for Ireland (not sure which one) so that term has become known and more popular, but if asked where that is, you'd get a reply: "In England!"     :rollin
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: fazersharp on 07 April 2020, 08:55:25 PM
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— The government will step in and pay up to 80 per cent of the wages of anyone furloughed, rather than made redundant.
— The welfare system will be strengthened, including increasing Universal Credit by £1,000 a year.

So the Tory Government's solution to the problems of COVID-19 is...

... Socialism...!
:rollin :rollin :rollin

That's right and look what is going to happen because of it, don't take my word for it.

Our economy is fucking trashed.  You are going to see the biggest recession in British history. 
 
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: mtread on 07 April 2020, 09:08:46 PM
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Mate my very best wishes to your son, I'm sure he'll pull through. 
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Jesus.  Hopefully he'll be fine.  Thinking of you bud.

Thanks chaps.  Here's something to ponder.
111 assessment Covid 19 +ve.
999 assessment +ve and advanced symptoms
Ambulance assessment +ve and causing fluid on the lung.
Hospital test Covid-19 -ve but a severely infected lung. So discharged with some antibiotics.
That's a big relief, but at any other time he would have been kept in. What's clear is that if you don't have the virus you will be sent home, however bad you are.
So don't for chrissake do anything silly!
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 07 April 2020, 09:16:02 PM
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Quote<blockquote> Mate my very best wishes to your son, I'm sure he'll pull through.  </blockquote>Quote<blockquote>Jesus.  Hopefully he'll be fine.  Thinking of you bud.</blockquote>
Thanks chaps.  Here's something to ponder.
111 assessment Covid 19 +ve.
999 assessment +ve and advanced symptoms
Ambulance assessment +ve and causing fluid on the lung.
Hospital test Covid-19 -ve but a severely infected lung. So discharged with some antibiotics.
That's a big relief, but at any other time he would have been kept in. What's clear is that if you don't have the virus you will be sent home, however bad you are.
So don't for chrissake do anything silly!

Hopefully he'll start rapidly improving.  Fingers crossed.  All the best.


Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: mtread on 07 April 2020, 09:26:33 PM
And finally, friend of mine got his test results through today. Delighted  :lol
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: YamFazFan on 07 April 2020, 10:29:49 PM
But meanwhile lets get through this, lets get to the other end, lets get back to work – then organise, take to the streets, hold a general election, and get these clowns tae fuck.
At least they've had the sense, at last, to elect as leader someone that might actually stand half a chance of winning an election.
And he sounds sincere when he says he's going to deal with the serious issue of antisemitism. Lets hope so.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/apr/07/jewish-leaders-praise-keir-starmer-for-pledges-on-labour-antisemitism (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/apr/07/jewish-leaders-praise-keir-starmer-for-pledges-on-labour-antisemitism)
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 07 April 2020, 11:08:47 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVBfZplWoAATewD?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: Gnasher on 07 April 2020, 11:13:45 PM
Thanks chaps.  Here's something to ponder.
111 assessment Covid 19 +ve.
999 assessment +ve and advanced symptoms
Ambulance assessment +ve and causing fluid on the lung.
Hospital test Covid-19 -ve but a severely infected lung. So discharged with some antibiotics.
That's a big relief, but at any other time he would have been kept in. What's clear is that if you don't have the virus you will be sent home, however bad you are.
So don't for chrissake do anything silly!


Good news it's not Covid 19 and a lung infection, which can be treated and will heal.   :)
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: mtread on 07 April 2020, 11:41:59 PM
Thanks Gnasher. He'd say 'thanks' too, if he was able to talk!
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 08 April 2020, 11:13:47 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVAqESXUwAE8L9H?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: mtread on 08 April 2020, 05:39:42 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: agricola on 08 April 2020, 07:00:40 PM
Wow. Anita Harris
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: YamFazFan on 08 April 2020, 07:56:36 PM
Crikey, she's a smashing dolly bird :b
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: fazersharp on 08 April 2020, 08:41:25 PM
Meanwhile remember the 100billion Euro European Research Council- you know the ones that I told you were behind the autonomous vehicles survey, well its president has just quit- only four months into the job after a dispute over whether the Council should launch an emergency programme to combat coronavirus his suggestion was rejected by the bloated money pit EU quango.
 Here is what he said.  "I was clearly disappointed, and deeply disturbed, by the rejection.”

Also on a separate EU fail Ministers have just failed to agree on a coordinated EU strategy that would help protect the EU's companies and governments from the economic fallout and share the debt they are all racking up fighting Covid-19. What leaders did agree on was asking Eurogroup finance ministers to explore the subject further, reporting back in two weeks' time.  :rolleyes
The EU AGAIN kicking difficult decisions down the road in the midst of spiralling infection and death rates.
Meanwhile ordinary people, frightened for their health and the safety of their loved ones, worrying about their rent and feeding their family after businesses shut down, the idea that Europe's leaders spent six hours on Thursday night, squabbling over the wording of their summit conclusions in order to defer a key decision over coronavirus funds, is incomprehensible.
I told you about the European Research Council and thank god we have left the useless EU experiment
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 08 April 2020, 09:20:03 PM
 
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I told you about the European Research Council and thank god we have left the useless EU experiment
Umm, no we haven’t left.  We are in a transition period, and during that transition period we continue as before, paying our dues and in return enjoying full single market access.


The idea of this transition period is to negotiate a future trading agreement, but as you can see yourself both us and the EU have other matters to content with. 



There is of course obviously only one solution.  That is to extent the transition period by a year or two, lets be honest probably two.


And of course, there is also the matter of what lessons can we learn from Covid19.  I would say one of the key lessons is the importance of your immediate neighbours and working together as opposed to the vulnerability of the globalisation.


In other words, I am optimistic that we will revisit BREXIT and chuck it into the trash can history where it belongs. 
 
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 08 April 2020, 09:24:47 PM
 Brexit: UK plan to agree trade deal by December is fantasy, says EU
 
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/apr/08/brexit-uk-plan-to-secure-trade-deal-by-december-is-fantasy-says-eu (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/apr/08/brexit-uk-plan-to-secure-trade-deal-by-december-is-fantasy-says-eu)
 
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: fazersharp on 08 April 2020, 09:55:28 PM
Totally ignoring the substance of my post  :rolleyes .

I would say one of the key lessons is the importance of your immediate neighbours and working together
That's my point --- the EU is NOT working together on covid 19 -- its in such a mess the science chief has quit .
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: Grahamm on 08 April 2020, 09:58:24 PM
Meanwhile remember the 100billion Euro European Research Council- you know the ones that I told you were behind the autonomous vehicles survey, well its president has just quit- only four months into the job after a dispute over whether the Council should launch an emergency programme to combat coronavirus his suggestion was rejected by the bloated money pit EU quango.

Hmm...

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the ERC Scientific Council, its governing body, unanimously rejected the idea, he said, on the grounds that its remit allows it only to fund “bottom-up” research proposed by scientists, rather than larger “top-down” programmes with objectives set by EU leaders.

[...]

The spokesperson said 50 ongoing or completed ERC projects were contributing to the response to Covid-19. Other EU-level scientific crisis measures included backing for 18 urgent research and development products and financial support for German company CureVac’s work on a possible vaccine.


EU officials said other members of the ERC’s Scientific Council had disagreed with Prof Ferrari’s idea to focus the body on short-term pandemic response, arguing other EU structures were better placed to do this. The commission had tried unsuccessfully to broker a solution.

https://www.ft.com/content/f94725c8-e038-4841-a5f6-2e046ae78e95 (https://www.ft.com/content/f94725c8-e038-4841-a5f6-2e046ae78e95)


So, let me see if I understand this, you *want* the EU and this "bloated money pit EU quango" to step in and stop or take over all the other work being done so they can *impose* a top-down solution from Brussels?


I thought that was the sort of thing that Brexiteers were objecting to when they voted to leave...?
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: fazersharp on 08 April 2020, 10:05:16 PM

So, let me see if I understand this, you *want* the EU and this "bloated money pit EU quango" to step in and stop or take over all the other work being done so they can *impose* a top-down solution from Brussels?
No did not say that,you are making things up  :rolleyes I don't give a shit what the EU focs up any more cause we have legally left, just pointing out how bloated and full of red tape and useless they are and that I told you so much months ago ( ERC ) and the coronavirus has shone a great big light on it.
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 08 April 2020, 10:10:58 PM
 Talking of ignoring things.  Do you remember saying this Fazersharp?
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On the subject of experts I think the WHO have done a crap job, they seemed to of dragged their feet at every stage. Very reluctant to call for the next steps needed.
I think after all of this is over the WHO will need to answer some questions.
Yet for decades they have been warning us of the threat of pandemic – not if but when.
They told us back in January that it was now most likely and to prepare the worst.  The UK had done nothing, and did nothing.
Yes we fund the WHO and pay for it’s advice.  But unfortunately we have a ‘had enough of the experts’ government – and people are now dying as a result.
The countries that are doing best in this pandemic are those that have followed WHO advice. 

 
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: Slaninar on 09 April 2020, 05:24:23 AM
Talking of ignoring things.  Do you remember saying this Fazersharp?
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On the subject of experts I think the WHO have done a crap job, they seemed to of dragged their feet at every stage. Very reluctant to call for the next steps needed.
I think after all of this is over the WHO will need to answer some questions.
Yet for decades they have been warning us of the threat of pandemic – not if but when.
They told us back in January that it was now most likely and to prepare the worst.  The UK had done nothing, and did nothing.
Yes we fund the WHO and pay for it’s advice.  But unfortunately we have a ‘had enough of the experts’ government – and people are now dying as a result.
The countries that are doing best in this pandemic are those that have followed WHO advice.


No one had the brains & guts to close the borders in January. Don't know of any country that did that. So, as far as the politicians go, all of them: "you had one job!"
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: Gnasher on 09 April 2020, 09:05:58 AM
No one had the brains & guts to close the borders in January. Don't know of any country that did that. So, as far as the politicians go, all of them: "you had one job!"


 :agree
Spot on and it's still happening in England no decision on extending the lock down until next week, Wales on the other hand appears to be getting a grip  :thumbup
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: BBROWN1664 on 09 April 2020, 09:13:31 AM
HMG need to announce the eextension of the locakdown today or people will be out and about this weekend thinking "what difference will a day or two make"
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Post by: mtread on 09 April 2020, 10:36:21 AM
I don't think there's any possibility of it not being extended. I'm guessing another month.
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: darrsi on 09 April 2020, 10:40:51 AM
HMG need to announce the eextension of the locakdown today or people will be out and about this weekend thinking "what difference will a day or two make"


You just know that a bit of sunshine, starting today, is going to entice way more idiots outside.
The lack of self control of some people, which is now becoming pure arrogance, is just shocking.
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: Slaninar on 09 April 2020, 10:47:09 AM
HMG need to announce the eextension of the locakdown today or people will be out and about this weekend thinking "what difference will a day or two make"


You just know that a bit of sunshine, starting today, is going to entice way more idiots outside.
The lack of self control of some people, which is now becoming pure arrogance, is just shocking.


+1
While I do think going out, in the sun, is great and important for both physical and mental health, too many people don't keep the distance, don't put a bloody hand over their mouth when they sneeze etc.
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 09 April 2020, 10:50:41 AM
 
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No one had the brains & guts to close the borders in January.
I’m not aware of anybody suggesting that.  I’m not aware of the WHO suggesting that.


But we should have been screening and testing those coming into the country from China – we didn’t.  Weeks later people were freely entering the UK from Italy.  The UK left the door wide open. 



We should have also been checking out stocks of PPE and ensuring that they were sufficient for what might come.  We should have been preparing to test test test.  But the UK did nothing.


Germany has carried out almost 5 times the tests we have.  They have twice the recorded cases that we have but a third of the deaths.  They currently have 18,000 active cases compared to our 53,000.
 
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: Slaninar on 09 April 2020, 10:54:52 AM
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No one had the brains & guts to close the borders in January.
I’m not aware of anybody suggesting that.  I’m not aware of the WHO suggesting that.


No one has, not in the media. It's "bad for the economy". Yet, with the few brains I've got, it was clear to me that it needed to have been done. Discussed it with a friend and SWMBO, as we were reading the news from China.


Even now, as it is, our politicians are getting loads of "anger" from "the people" for enforcing the curfew. "Leave us be, we'll be careful".  :)
So I think that was the main reason for not closing the borders soon enough - the will to get re-elected, and to keep the money / business flowing.


Humans...  :)
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 09 April 2020, 11:03:07 AM
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No one has, not in the media. It's "bad for the economy". Yet, with the few brains I've got, it was clear to me that it needed to have been done. Discussed it with a friend and SWMBO, as we were reading the news from China.
No one was suggesting it, because there was no requirement to do so.  But what was required was restrictions, monitoring, testing and quaranteen for those travelling from high risk areas.
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 09 April 2020, 11:03:39 AM
 Labour urges UK government to publish findings of 2016 pandemic drill
 
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/02/labour-urges-government-publish-findings-2016-pandemic-drill (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/02/labour-urges-government-publish-findings-2016-pandemic-drill)
 
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A report at the weekend in the Sunday Telegraph said that Cygnus identified that the NHS would need thousands more intensive care beds in a pandemic crisis, that doctors would have to start triaging patients, only helping those with better chance of survival, and that there would be a shortage of masks and other protective equipment available to frontline staff.
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: fazersharp on 09 April 2020, 11:18:48 AM
Weeks later people were freely entering the UK from Italy.  The UK left the door wide open.
Which was the advice from the idiots (told you weeks ago) at the WHO. This is what they said 3rd Feb no need for travel bans.
  "no need for measures that unnecessarily interfere with international travel and trade in trying to halt the spread of a coronavirus"They were also too slow to declare international emergency. The WHO president said at the time that the spread of the virus was “minimal and slow”.
Mark my words - there will be questions to be answered by the WHO and changes made - possibly the leadership. They should stick to what they are good at - handing out mosquito nets and condoms.
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 09 April 2020, 11:19:03 AM
https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-kingdom
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 09 April 2020, 11:29:19 AM
 WHO update 11th Feb - Key considerations for repatriation and quarantine of travellers in relation to the outbreak of novel coronavirus 2019-nCoV
https://www.who.int/news-room/articles-detail/key-considerations-for-repatriation-and-quarantine-of-travellers-in-relation-to-the-outbreak-of-novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov/ (https://www.who.int/news-room/articles-detail/key-considerations-for-repatriation-and-quarantine-of-travellers-in-relation-to-the-outbreak-of-novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov/)

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Countries should be prepared for containment, including active surveillance, early detection, isolation and case management, contact tracing and prevention of onward spread of 2019-nCoV infection, and to share full data with WHO. In accordance with their obligations under the Article 43 of the International Health Regulations (2005), States Parties must inform WHO about additional health measures that significantly interfere with international traffic.
It then lists in details the key considerations for repatriation from Wuhan city.
 
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 09 April 2020, 11:35:41 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVJnkypUYAIwY93?format=jpg&name=small)
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Post by: YamFazFan on 09 April 2020, 12:06:27 PM

HMG need to announce the eextension of the locakdown today or people will be out and about this weekend thinking "what difference will a day or two make"


You just know that a bit of sunshine, starting today, is going to entice way more idiots outside.
The lack of self control of some people, which is now becoming pure arrogance, is just shocking.


Just been reading that people have been driving overnight to holiday homes/lets for the big Easter getaway in order to avoid detection :rolleyes
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Post by: Oldgit on 09 April 2020, 12:38:19 PM
Just had a great statement from VNA's SNPeeeeeee leader Wee Jimmy Krankie, she stated that (headline news) Nobody is immune from Covid-19, well Foc me, I never knew that, thanks ya friggin halfwit.
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 09 April 2020, 01:13:32 PM
 
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Just had a great statement from VNA's SNPeeeeeee leader Wee Jimmy Krankie, she stated that (headline news) Nobody is immune from Covid-19, well Foc me, I never knew that, thanks ya friggin halfwit.

VNA is not a member of the SNP, and is not a supporter of the SNP – ya halfwit indeed.
 
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 09 April 2020, 01:15:29 PM
 Just a quick re-cap for you oldgit; ;)
 
I shook hands with everybody – Boris Johnson   :eek



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3NAx3tsy-k&feature=emb_logo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3NAx3tsy-k&feature=emb_logo)

 
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Post by: mtread on 09 April 2020, 01:25:17 PM
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Post by: YamFazFan on 09 April 2020, 02:02:32 PM
In reference to the lockdown movement restrictions I keep hearing in the media this phrase..."Here in the UK we have policing by consent".
What the foc does that mean? :rolleyes
And isn't that a daft thing to go on saying when you want everyone to stick to the rules?.
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Post by: YamFazFan on 09 April 2020, 04:07:28 PM
Italian PM warns BBC that The European Union risks failing as a project over response to Covid-19 pandemic...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52224838 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52224838)
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 09 April 2020, 04:34:36 PM
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HMG need to announce the eextension of the locakdown today or people will be out and about this weekend thinking "what difference will a day or two make"

Scotland's coronavirus lockdown is likely to continue "for some weeks to come", Nicola Sturgeon has said.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-52217361 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-52217361)
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Post by: Grahamm on 09 April 2020, 04:35:45 PM
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3. It's all the fault of Corbyn/ the EU/ Immigrants...
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Post by: Grahamm on 09 April 2020, 04:41:13 PM
In reference to the lockdown movement restrictions I keep hearing in the media this phrase..."Here in the UK we have policing by consent".
What the foc does that mean?

It means that everything that is not specifically forbidden by law is permitted.

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Essentially, as explained by the notable police historian Charles Reith in his ‘New Study of Police History ‘in 1956, it was a philosophy of policing ‘unique in history and throughout the world because it derived not from fear but almost exclusively from public co-operation with the police, induced by them designedly by behaviour which secures and maintains for them the approval, respect and affection of the public’.

It should be noted that it refers to the power of the police coming from the common consent of the public, as opposed to the power of the state.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/policing-by-consent/definition-of-policing-by-consent (https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/policing-by-consent/definition-of-policing-by-consent)
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Post by: Grahamm on 09 April 2020, 04:48:56 PM
Farmers fear for the harvest as 80,000 workers are needed to keep food on Britain's tables (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8155331/Farmers-fear-harvest-80-000-workers-needed-food-Britains-tables.html)

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workers who usually come from overseas to work on the harvest have been held back by COVID-19
Apparently there aren't enough immigrants around to do the picking...

... so says the Daily Mail...!!!  :rollin :rollin :rollin  (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8155331/Farmers-fear-harvest-80-000-workers-needed-food-Britains-tables.html)
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Post by: fazersharp on 09 April 2020, 08:28:06 PM
workers who usually come from overseas to work on the harvest have been held back by COVID-19
That reminds me two days in a row I have witnessed groups of eastern Europeans who do not seem to give a toss. One group of 8 helping wash each others cars (2 cars ) in a supermarket petrol station. And another group of 6 having a BBQ in a back street lock-up, in full view of passers by. 
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Post by: BBROWN1664 on 09 April 2020, 08:46:55 PM
workers who usually come from overseas to work on the harvest have been held back by COVID-19
That reminds me two days in a row I have witnessed groups of eastern Europeans who do not seem to give a toss. One group of 8 helping wash each others cars (2 cars ) in a supermarket petrol station. And another group of 6 having a BBQ in a back street lock-up, in full view of passers by. 
To be fair, they probably all live together anyway
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 09 April 2020, 09:27:01 PM
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Quote from: Grahamm on Today at 04:48:56 PM ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php?topic=25976.msg312182#msg312182[/url])<blockquote>workers who usually come from overseas to work on the harvest have been held back by COVID-19
</blockquote>That reminds me two days in a row I have witnessed groups of eastern Europeans who do not seem to give a toss. One group of 8 helping wash each others cars (2 cars ) in a supermarket petrol station. And another group of 6 having a BBQ in a back street lock-up, in full view of passers by.     « Last Edit: Today at 08:29:17 PM » ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php?action=posthistory;topic=25976.0;msg=312190[/url])


I know I know.  Bloody immigrants!
Here's some more........well six of them are.....
(https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2016/06/27/17/nhs.jpg)


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Post by: fazersharp on 09 April 2020, 09:59:57 PM
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Quote from: Grahamm on Today at 04:48:56 PM ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php?topic=25976.msg312182#msg312182[/url])<blockquote>workers who usually come from overseas to work on the harvest have been held back by COVID-19
</blockquote>That reminds me two days in a row I have witnessed groups of eastern Europeans who do not seem to give a toss. One group of 8 helping wash each others cars (2 cars ) in a supermarket petrol station. And another group of 6 having a BBQ in a back street lock-up, in full view of passers by.     « Last Edit: Today at 08:29:17 PM » ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php?action=posthistory;topic=25976.0;msg=312190[/url])


I know I know.  Bloody immigrants!
Here's some more........well six of them are.....
([url]https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2016/06/27/17/nhs.jpg[/url])
What has a photo from 2016 of NHS workers got to do with Eastern Europeans having a BBQ during lock down. They are neither Eastern European nor having a BBQ in a back street lock up.  :rolleyes
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Post by: mtread on 09 April 2020, 11:33:36 PM
I think you'll find Greece, and possibly Germany are in the east of Europe :rolleyes


Anyway, how did you know yours were 'eastern europeans'? They might have been Robert Jendrick  :pokefun
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Post by: steve 10562cc on 10 April 2020, 05:42:19 AM
 East Europeans are thought of as those from behind the old iron curtain. Thought a man of your all knowing ands seeing knowledge would have know that. 
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Post by: YamFazFan on 10 April 2020, 07:21:43 AM
Report that shopping may be searched to check for non-essential items...
https://metro.co.uk/2020/04/09/police-threaten-search-shopping-trolleys-check-buying-essentials-12532339/
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Post by: YamFazFan on 10 April 2020, 07:35:49 AM
Emily Maitlis on Newsnight debunks the myth that Coronavirus is the 'great leveller'...
https://metro.co.uk/2020/04/09/emily-maitlis-says-coronavirus-not-great-leveller-powerful-newsnight-speech-12532031/
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Post by: Slaninar on 10 April 2020, 08:37:36 AM
My country is in Central Europe, technically. Most of the top class engineers, mathematicians, doctors, mechanics, handy men, nurses... have left to work in Germany, UK and USA over the past three decades.

Wrote some drivel on the topic a few months ago.  :)

https://blog.bikegremlin.com/185/where-do-you-see-yourself-in-five-years/ (https://blog.bikegremlin.com/185/where-do-you-see-yourself-in-five-years/)
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Post by: fazersharp on 10 April 2020, 08:41:45 AM
Report that shopping may be searched to check for non-essential items...
https://metro.co.uk/2020/04/09/police-threaten-search-shopping-trolleys-check-buying-essentials-12532339/ (https://metro.co.uk/2020/04/09/police-threaten-search-shopping-trolleys-check-buying-essentials-12532339/)

I read about that one the other day and the Metro are just engaging in click bate - they missed out the part where the police cheif said
 
"To be clear on the shopping trolley issue: This is about essential and necessary journeys, not what's in your trolley. I have been clear that we will not be judge and jury on what is an essential item or not, but we may now probe the purpose of the journey."
 I see the accompanying pictures one woman has a trolley full of garden stuff that you can buy in your local supermarket in the "seasonal isle" might be a bit extreme going out just to buy that that but what is wrong with buying a box of grass seed along with your loo rolls, pasta, and hand gel. After-all the supermarkets are still selling these items.   
 
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Post by: fazersharp on 10 April 2020, 08:43:55 AM
East Europeans are thought of as those from behind the old iron curtain. Thought a man of your all knowing ands seeing knowledge would have know that. 
Oh he knew alright  ;)
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Post by: fazersharp on 10 April 2020, 08:45:35 AM
My country is in Central Europe, technically. Most of the top class engineers, mathematicians, doctors, mechanics, handy men, nurses... have left to work in Germany, UK and USA over the past three decades.
Why have you included "handy men" along with top class engineers, mathematicians, doctors  :lol
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Post by: Slaninar on 10 April 2020, 08:53:39 AM
My country is in Central Europe, technically. Most of the top class engineers, mathematicians, doctors, mechanics, handy men, nurses... have left to work in Germany, UK and USA over the past three decades.
Why have you included "handy men" along with top class engineers, mathematicians, doctors  :lol


Because, especially these days, with the curfews and lockdowns (at least here) those skills are precious. You can do without a lawyer, or an engineer today, but if your pipes start leaking - good luck!
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Post by: fazersharp on 10 April 2020, 09:16:23 AM
My country is in Central Europe, technically. Most of the top class engineers, mathematicians, doctors, mechanics, handy men, nurses... have left to work in Germany, UK and USA over the past three decades.
Why have you included "handy men" along with top class engineers, mathematicians, doctors  :lol


Because, especially these days, with the curfews and lockdowns (at least here) those skills are precious. You can do without a lawyer, or an engineer today, but if your pipes start leaking - good luck!
Oh I see - we call them plumbers here in the UK.  :D
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Post by: mtread on 10 April 2020, 09:55:06 AM
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East Europeans are thought of as those from behind the old iron curtain. Thought a man of your all knowing ands seeing knowledge would have know that.
East Germany was behind the iron curtain. Thought you would have known that  :rolleyes
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Post by: mtread on 10 April 2020, 09:59:48 AM
Good program on BBC last night (Horizon) about the virus and how the body fights against it (or not). Lots of facts rather than guesses. Well worth watching on iplayer if you missed it.
Added bonus of Hannah Fry as one of the presenters  :)
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Post by: fazersharp on 10 April 2020, 10:02:40 AM
Why is the Gov panicking about this weekend being a "bank Holiday" and extra people going out. Every weekend is a bank holiday at the moment.
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Post by: Slaninar on 10 April 2020, 10:05:17 AM
My country is in Central Europe, technically. Most of the top class engineers, mathematicians, doctors, mechanics, handy men, nurses... have left to work in Germany, UK and USA over the past three decades.
Why have you included "handy men" along with top class engineers, mathematicians, doctors  :lol


Because, especially these days, with the curfews and lockdowns (at least here) those skills are precious. You can do without a lawyer, or an engineer today, but if your pipes start leaking - good luck!
Oh I see - we call them plumbers here in the UK.  :D


What do you call guys doing other house repairs? Stuck/broken doors, windows, jammed locks, leaking heat pipes, broken light switches etc?
The "general small house repairs" guys (never seen a woman do that for money)?
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: fazersharp on 10 April 2020, 10:24:56 AM
My country is in Central Europe, technically. Most of the top class engineers, mathematicians, doctors, mechanics, handy men, nurses... have left to work in Germany, UK and USA over the past three decades.
Why have you included "handy men" along with top class engineers, mathematicians, doctors  :lol


Because, especially these days, with the curfews and lockdowns (at least here) those skills are precious. You can do without a lawyer, or an engineer today, but if your pipes start leaking - good luck!
Oh I see - we call them plumbers here in the UK.  :D


What do you call guys doing other house repairs? Stuck/broken doors, windows, jammed locks, leaking heat pipes, broken light switches etc?
The "general small house repairs" guys (never seen a woman do that for money)?
I was  :pokefun .
 But
Especially the Electrician, there are very strict rules here about who can work on electric items in peoples homes and only qualified people can do it.   
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Post by: mtread on 10 April 2020, 10:59:18 AM
We have a growing number of female plumbers here in the UK. They can get to places men can't reach  :D
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Post by: YamFazFan on 10 April 2020, 11:12:34 AM
Added bonus of Hannah Fry as one of the presenters  :)
I got all excited and had to google her immediately...........you could have told us she's a ginger :wall
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 10 April 2020, 11:31:01 AM
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I was  :pokefun .
 But
 
    Stuck/broken doors = Carpenter
    windows = glazer
    jammed locks = locksmith
    leaking heat pipes = heating engineer
    broken light switches = Electrician.
 
Especially the Electrician, there are very strict rules here about who can work on electric items in peoples homes and only qualified people can do it.   

Yes all potentially within the skill set of a handy man, or should I say handy person.
 
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 10 April 2020, 11:35:47 AM
 
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I read about that one the other day and the Metro are just engaging in click bate - they missed out the part where the police cheif said
 
 "To be clear on the shopping trolley issue: This is about essential and necessary journeys, not what's in your trolley. I have been clear that we will not be judge and jury on what is an essential item or not, but we may now probe the purpose of the journey."
  I see the accompanying pictures one woman has a trolley full of garden stuff that you can buy in your local supermarket in the "seasonal isle" might be a bit extreme going out just to buy that that but what is wrong with buying a box of grass seed along with your loo rolls, pasta, and hand gel. After-all the supermarkets are still selling these items.   

Really?  I think the response from most folks around here would be a polite no – followed by reminding the police to practise social distancing, and if absolutely necessary telling them to fuck off.
 
On the other hand I’m not convinced many police officers up here would be so stupid. 
 
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Post by: Dudeofrude on 10 April 2020, 12:47:04 PM
My country is in Central Europe, technically. Most of the top class engineers, mathematicians, doctors, mechanics, handy men, nurses... have left to work in Germany, UK and USA over the past three decades.
Why have you included "handy men" along with top class engineers, mathematicians, doctors  :lol


Because, especially these days, with the curfews and lockdowns (at least here) those skills are precious. You can do without a lawyer, or an engineer today, but if your pipes start leaking - good luck!
Oh I see - we call them plumbers here in the UK.  :D


What do you call guys doing other house repairs? Stuck/broken doors, windows, jammed locks, leaking heat pipes, broken light switches etc?


Most of the time.... Dad 🤣
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Post by: mtread on 10 April 2020, 12:47:32 PM
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I got all excited and had to google her immediately...........you could have told us she's a ginger

Oi! I like gingers  :b
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Post by: Dudeofrude on 10 April 2020, 12:54:15 PM
Quote
I read about that one the other day and the Metro are just engaging in click bate - they missed out the part where the police cheif said
 
 "To be clear on the shopping trolley issue: This is about essential and necessary journeys, not what's in your trolley. I have been clear that we will not be judge and jury on what is an essential item or not, but we may now probe the purpose of the journey."
  I see the accompanying pictures one woman has a trolley full of garden stuff that you can buy in your local supermarket in the "seasonal isle" might be a bit extreme going out just to buy that that but what is wrong with buying a box of grass seed along with your loo rolls, pasta, and hand gel. After-all the supermarkets are still selling these items.   

Really?  I think the response from most folks around here would be a polite no – followed by reminding the police to practise social distancing, and if absolutely necessary telling them to fuck off.
 

I'm with you there VNA. They would get told where to shove it if they asked to search my shopping. At the end of the day the shops that solely sell 'unnecessary' items are shut so if I'm out going to a shop it is a shop that is allowed to stay open therefore I can buy what ever the hell I like. If I choose to walk to tesco and buy a video game then I will, it's no different than going to buy a pint of milk.

Also a necessary item is slightly subjective. Tampons are very necessary if you a woman but absolutely useless to me. In the same vane paper and stationary are necessary for me to help my kids with home schooling, but not so much to people who haven't got that to do

We are already sacrificing a lot mentally by being stuck at home 24/7 the least they can do is allow us to buy things to try and pass the time
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Post by: YamFazFan on 10 April 2020, 01:20:56 PM
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I got all excited and had to google her immediately...........you could have told us she's a ginger

Oi! I like gingers  :b

I reckon a blue-rinse could be considered a luxury at this moment in time :b
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Post by: mtread on 10 April 2020, 01:41:30 PM
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I reckon a blue-rinse could be considered a luxury at this moment in time

I mean real gingers of course. There are a lot of fakes out there. A bit like Pazzo levers  :D
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Post by: YamFazFan on 10 April 2020, 07:56:01 PM
Over 500 fines handed out to people breaching lockdown rules in Scotland...
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/police-hand-out-more-500-21847476 (https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/police-hand-out-more-500-21847476)
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Post by: fazersharp on 10 April 2020, 08:55:07 PM
What's all the fuss with Trump calling it the Chinese or Wuhan virus. 
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 10 April 2020, 10:08:06 PM
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Post by: Dudeofrude on 10 April 2020, 10:10:49 PM
What's all the fuss with Trump calling it the Chinese or Wuhan virus.

Well they like to say it's a racist remark 🙄🙄
Personally I think he's calling a spade a spade, you wouldnt say its racist to call a curry and Indian meal because it originated in India 🤷‍♂️ but on a political level it is very abrasive language to use. Youd think given that world trading is grinding to a halt and every stock market and economy in the world is tanking, hed want to keep his trade options open?
But then again what else would they expect from him. Surely nothing that comes out of his mouth surprises anyone anymore?
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 10 April 2020, 10:21:25 PM
 
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Personally I think he's calling a spade a spade

I’m not sure he’d know what a spade is, never mind what to do with it.
Anyway, putting the spade aside, lets see what else he has to say,


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NezEbDx4B9A (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NezEbDx4B9A)




Yup, he's a real smart guy - something of a genius - eh?

 
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Post by: fazersharp on 10 April 2020, 10:24:07 PM
WE all know that VNA actually thinks the same as Trump 
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Post by: BBROWN1664 on 10 April 2020, 10:49:29 PM
WE all know that VNA actually thinks the same as Trump 

Maybe VNA is Trump :pokefun
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Post by: mtread on 10 April 2020, 11:10:07 PM
Maybe Fazersharp is really Boris...... posting from his hospital bed  :lol
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 10 April 2020, 11:16:21 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVEzB3jXgAA9seE?format=jpg&name=small)
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Post by: fazersharp on 10 April 2020, 11:19:44 PM
VNA agrees with Trump.
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Post by: YamFazFan on 11 April 2020, 10:44:41 AM
Apparently it's predominantly the younger generation who are flouting the lockdown rules and putting everyone at risk.
It's funny you know, just a few short weeks ago they were demanding we all listen to the experts when it comes to 'climate change'. Now it's warmed up and the sun is shining, they've suddenly had enough of the experts :\
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Post by: mtread on 11 April 2020, 10:54:13 AM
The trouble is, they are listening to the experts. The experts tell them they are least likely to fall ill with it. They stand to inherit houses with the 'boomer remover'  :thumbdown
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 11 April 2020, 11:24:43 AM
 So currently Europe and America are the epicentres of Covid19.  But we can also see it’s popped up in most countries around the globe. 



In the next few weeks most European countries should pass the peak of the outbreak, and should therefore be looking to work their way slowly out of lockdown.  Well, we'll see.



But what of the third world and the middle east etc?  How will we stem the tide in those countries? 



100 years ago the Spanish flu wiped out an estimated 6% of India’s population.  And we know that Covid19 is significantly more deadly than the flu.
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Mali in West Africa, for example, has three ventilators per million people. In Zambia, there is one doctor for approximately 10,000 people. In Pakistan health spending per head is one two-hundredth the level in the United States, one of the richest countries in the world which itself is struggling to cope with the effects of the virus.
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18359192.coronavirus-stalks-worlds-poorest/?ref=twtrec (https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18359192.coronavirus-stalks-worlds-poorest/?ref=twtrec)



Also watching worldometer I can’t help but notice a significant number of cases on the back of very limited testing in Brazil.  How do you practise social distancing in slums?
 
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 11 April 2020, 11:27:10 AM
 
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It's funny you know, just a few short weeks ago they were demanding we all listen to the experts when it comes to 'climate change'.
If this is what a pandemic can do, just think of the potential of global warming.  Will we heed the warning?  The clock is ticking and there ain’t much time.
 
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 11 April 2020, 11:33:33 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llL_9dLKb3c (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llL_9dLKb3c)
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Post by: YamFazFan on 11 April 2020, 12:07:40 PM
If this is what a pandemic can do, just think of the potential of global warming.  Will we heed the warning?  The clock is ticking and there ain’t much time.
Can't imagine folk are going to be too receptive to being lectured by some kid on how to hobble our shattered economy even further after all this is over and we're trying to recover.
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 11 April 2020, 12:14:56 PM
 
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Can't imagine folk are going to be too receptive to being lectured by some kid on how to hobble our shattered economy even further after all this is over and we're trying to recover.
The thing is the economic opportunities afforded by global warming are considerable, but nothing compared to the absolute chaos and utter destruction that will be visited upon us should we do nothing.


We've just seen a stark example of what happens when we ignore the experts.  Will we continue to have had enougth of the experts?

 
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Post by: YamFazFan on 11 April 2020, 12:20:27 PM
Government writes off historic NHS hospital debts...
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/nhs-to-benefit-from-13-4-billion-debt-write-off (https://www.gov.uk/government/news/nhs-to-benefit-from-13-4-billion-debt-write-off)
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Post by: YamFazFan on 11 April 2020, 12:23:53 PM
The thing is the economic opportunities afforded by global warming are considerable, but nothing compared to the absolute chaos and utter destruction that will be visited upon us should we do nothing.

I wouldn't want to be the one telling all the hard working families abiding by the lockdown rules that it's for their own good they can't fly off on holiday next year :rolleyes
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Post by: Gnasher on 11 April 2020, 12:41:38 PM
Can't imagine folk are going to be too receptive to being lectured by some kid on how to hobble our shattered economy even further after all this is over and we're trying to recover.


Recovery is important but not straight back to where everything was before all this.  I think there will be huge changes for some areas of the economy, which will have a very positive impact on global warming.  Some will probably never return, others will see huge cuts, anyone fancy a cruise?   

I can see many who are currently working from home or were before being furloughed, will remain doing so going forward.  My Mrs is one of them, she's senior manager in her company, the company has out grown their work space, the directors have been trying to buy new premises for about 3 years now.  They had almost completed twice, luckily they didn't, for well before that the Mrs has been trying to get her directors to realise they don't need bigger offices, just allow up to 50% of employees to work from home.  Being control freaks and out of touch with current technology, thinking employees will skive, they wouldn't listen........... until now, company worked for 5 weeks with no one going into the office, they've done more work to boot. 

They're now going to continue home working for at least 50% and will be able to down size on the current office size, saving money and more importantly employees driving into work 5 days a week!  Obviously this won't work for everyone, but it will for many, I can also see a lot less driving/flying all over the country/world to have face to face meetings. 

All will lessen the impact on the environment Win Win, now the the real question is by how much............. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
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Post by: Gnasher on 11 April 2020, 01:02:18 PM
I wouldn't want to be the one telling all the hard working families abiding by the lockdown rules that it's for their own good they can't fly off on holiday next year :rolleyes


It's very likely, air travel capacity will be greatly reduced for some time going forward, put simply wont be any choice, for a while.  Plus why should we all be off 3 - 4 time a year with city breaks etc, it's this behaviour which is helping to fuel the environmental damage. 

Yes it's disappointing but something that MUST change, not for me but for my grandchildren (although I don't have any yet) and their children.  Like this current crisis the Trumps and greedy buggers of this world refused to listen to experts who very accurately predicted exactly what is happening right now.  They were in many counties (ours included) posted as scare mongers and idiots, only because the situation would threaten the domination of the current world systems and remove the power from those making all the money. 

If we ignore them on the environmental issues we will be totally screwed and no amount of money, lock down or vaccines will save us. 

Now that doesn't mean we all have to start living like cave men and using horses etc, it does mean making real changes, to what we do, how we do it, what we use and how we use it. 

Total unsustainable profit above all else has to change, failure to do so will at some point make this current situation seem like nothing more than an  inconvenience  :eek

We all need to wake up and smell the coffee!    ;)
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Post by: mtread on 11 April 2020, 01:16:10 PM
Do you remember, before the last election the Tories ridiculed Labour for suggesting we move to a 4 day working week?  :rolleyes
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Post by: mtread on 11 April 2020, 01:21:08 PM
..... and, it's quite clear that Johnson was far more ill than they were admitting. Can you trust anything said?
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Post by: YamFazFan on 11 April 2020, 01:25:01 PM
Do you remember, before the last election the Tories ridiculed Labour for suggesting we move to a 4 day working week?  :rolleyes
We weren't mired in a national emergency then were we?
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Post by: fazersharp on 11 April 2020, 01:27:24 PM
..... and, it's quite clear that Johnson was far more ill than they were admitting. Can you trust anything said?
No, ~ by anyone.
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Post by: Grahamm on 11 April 2020, 01:27:38 PM
 :rolleyes
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Post by: Grahamm on 11 April 2020, 01:34:45 PM
Government writes off historic NHS hospital debts...

Another government mix of spin and lies to try to make themselves look good.

This "debt" is the result of the NHS being chronically underfunded by the government and, thus, they have been *forced* to "borrow" money from the government AND PAY INTEREST ON IT! because they simply *cannot* run the services they need to to keep hospitals running properly.

This is solely as the result of the Tories politically motivated Austertity cuts.

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Post by: fazersharp on 11 April 2020, 01:34:56 PM
Do you remember, before the last election the Tories ridiculed Labour for suggesting we move to a 4 day working week?  :rolleyes
So the people bleating and seemingly happy we have been forced into socialist politics are the same ones pointing out we are heading for the biggest recession ever known.
We weren't mired in a national emergency then were we?

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Post by: fazersharp on 11 April 2020, 01:38:52 PM
News flash >> the government lies to us aided and abetted my the media  :rolleyes .
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Post by: YamFazFan on 11 April 2020, 01:39:10 PM
The Conservatives have been in power for 45 of the years since the NHS was founded and Labour for 27.
You'd have thought the Tories would have managed to abolish it by now if that were their aim wouldn't you? :rolleyes
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Post by: Gnasher on 11 April 2020, 01:39:43 PM
We weren't mired in a national emergency then were we?

No but the principle was the same, it would just mean those that have most, will get a bit less.  It also challenges the past and current order of things and the Trumps and a like of this world don't want to give up their control.

If someone would have told us all just after the election that this current government would adopt total socialists policy's, spending more public money than Corbyn and McDonnell could have possibly dreamed of.  We'd have all said "no way"

Funny how 'needs must when the devil drives' takes over, they're spending more money than in over 15 yrs of cuts has ever saved. 

Paying for Corbyn's 4 day week would in comparison be peanuts!   :rollin   
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Post by: Grahamm on 11 April 2020, 01:40:46 PM
So the people bleating and seemingly happy we have been forced into socialist politics are the same ones pointing out we are heading for the biggest recession ever known.

The socialist policies weren't the *cause* of the "biggest recession" we're heading for.

That was the free market neo-liberal ideology that has been forced on the economy for the past few decades.

Now, suddenly, we see it for the house of cards that it is.
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Post by: YamFazFan on 11 April 2020, 01:45:06 PM
If someone would have told us all just after the election that this current government would adopt total socialists policy's, spending more public money than Corbyn and McDonnell could have possibly dreamed of.  We'd have all said "no way"
In normal times we would have said that for sure. In the grip of the biggest national crisis we've faced since WW11....errrmm :rolleyes
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Post by: YamFazFan on 11 April 2020, 01:46:52 PM
I wouldn't want to be the one telling all the hard working families abiding by the lockdown rules that it's for their own good they can't fly off on holiday next year :rolleyes


It's very likely, air travel capacity will be greatly reduced for some time going forward, put simply wont be any choice, for a while.  Plus why should we all be off 3 - 4 time a year with city breaks etc, it's this behaviour which is helping to fuel the environmental damage. 

Yes it's disappointing but something that MUST change, not for me but for my grandchildren (although I don't have any yet) and their children.  Like this current crisis the Trumps and greedy buggers of this world refused to listen to experts who very accurately predicted exactly what is happening right now.  They were in many counties (ours included) posted as scare mongers and idiots, only because the situation would threaten the domination of the current world systems and remove the power from those making all the money. 

If we ignore them on the environmental issues we will be totally screwed and no amount of money, lock down or vaccines will save us. 

Now that doesn't mean we all have to start living like cave men and using horses etc, it does mean making real changes, to what we do, how we do it, what we use and how we use it. 

Total unsustainable profit above all else has to change, failure to do so will at some point make this current situation seem like nothing more than an  inconvenience  :eek

We all need to wake up and smell the coffee!    ;)
Baggsy your XJR when you clear your garage out of vehicles this weekend ;)
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Post by: Gnasher on 11 April 2020, 02:15:26 PM
In normal times we would have said that for sure. In the grip of the biggest national crisis we've faced since WW11....errrmm :rolleyes

But like WW2 this crisis was totally predicted.   Only I believe for WW2 they did quite a bit more about it, as they knew they were in trouble due to cuts brought on mainly by a previous world recession.  Which funny enough was triggered by the likes of the Trumps. 

In 37-39 we formed a national government made up of all parties and started to rebuild and prepare to some degree but tried to do a deal with the devil, to save their money/investments and the then current order of their control and failed.  In 40- 45 a coalition under Churchill.  As the great man himself said " You cannot reason with a tiger when your head is in it's mouth"  something modern career politicians don't seem to grasp.

Unlike the 37 -39 government, our current government have just ignored the facts and done nothing until it was all too late. 

I just love history, it's all there and all pretty much been done before.  The biggest thing history teaches us is we never learn, some idiots think they can do better and know it all, mostly to protect their control, it also doesn't matter which end of the spectrum far right or left both are equal in their craving for power and greed :rollin :rollin :rollin
 
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Post by: YamFazFan on 11 April 2020, 02:32:27 PM

it also doesn't matter which end of the spectrum far right or left both are equal in their craving for power and greed :rollin :rollin :rollin


True. I agree.


Some on here are gonna be spitting chips that you've included the left in there though! :tape
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Post by: Gnasher on 11 April 2020, 02:35:41 PM
Baggsy your XJR when you clear your garage out of vehicles this weekend ;)

Nope you couldn't handle it  :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin

As mentioned it's not about giving it all up, that's how the 'denial gang' scare people into thinking they're going to lose it all.  We all just need to do things differently, like stop driving kids to school in cars, apparently this along would get us below our project target in one go.  Yes it would mean opening more or rather old schools, closer to where people live rather than having large 1500 plus one's and would cost money, but again in comparison to what is being spent now it's peanuts.  Not to mention a non reversal environmental damage scenario, where no amount of money will save us.   

That and the working from home, better public transport, less flying, fewer foreign holidays etc, blimey some people still refuse to use LED light bulbs, when they work better and save a considerable sum on home bills. 

It all adds up, if we all do it.

So no clearing out my garage or anybody else's, just those who control all the money at present need to be a lot less greedy.




 
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Post by: mtread on 11 April 2020, 02:51:19 PM
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In normal times we would have said that for sure. In the grip of the biggest national crisis we've faced since WW11....errrmm

So, as with after WW2 and now, Socialism is always the answer  :lol
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Post by: fazersharp on 11 April 2020, 03:09:38 PM

We all just need to do things differently, like stop driving kids to school in cars, apparently this along would get us below our project target in one go. 

think that was
 allowing schools to take out of catchment area kids and the introduction of league tables.
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Post by: vinnyb on 11 April 2020, 03:13:04 PM
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In normal times we would have said that for sure. In the grip of the biggest national crisis we've faced since WW11....errrmm

So, as with after WW2 and now, Massive public borrowing taking decades to repay is always the answer


  FTFY :lol
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Post by: Gnasher on 11 April 2020, 03:34:33 PM
think that was allowing schools to take out of catchment area kids and the introduction of league tables.

Partly, but that was a fall out of closing local smaller schools to save money, forced on local authorities by successive central governments, cutting grants.  This was also part of a bigger drive to destroy the comprehensive system in favour of grammar, private and now academy's.  It'a not apples for apples inner city main stream V's selective schools of course the selective school will always out preform the main stream, so people now vote with their feet and you get the ridiculous situation of parents driving past their local school sometimes across several counties (I know of someone who does) to take their kids to 3 different schools! 

Where it should be, all schools perform to a common standard or very close to it, not just allowed to slip and side.  Nothing is perfect but what we have now is broken and fails most kids, in that they don't all get the same opportunities.  And that is damaging them as well as the environment!   

As with most things once it's gone it's extremely difficult and expensive to put it back, just as government is finding out with the current crisis they're running into their own mess.

Basically you reap what you sow!   
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Post by: mtread on 11 April 2020, 04:11:46 PM
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So, as with after WW2 and now, Massive public borrowing taking decades to repay is always the answer
Margaret Thatcher 1980something - 'The trouble with Socialism, is eventually you run out of other people's money'
Rishi Sunak 2020 - 'The trouble with capitalism is you don't spend enough money, so when the shit eventually hits the fan you have to invent money you haven't got. No worry, the poor will pay it back'.  :\
Title: Re: COVID-19 AKA Coronavirus - A sense of proportion...
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 11 April 2020, 05:22:05 PM
Looks like the UK is rapidly heading towards becoming the poorest performing nation in Western Europe in terms of handling Covid19.
One of the better performers is Germany, 4x the testing, about a 1/4 of the deaths. 

Unless the last couple of days are just freakish figures, we have got more people dying every day than Italy.
This is a disaster.
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Post by: Gnasher on 11 April 2020, 05:56:26 PM
Looks like the UK is rapidly heading towards becoming the poorest performing nation in Western Europe in terms of handling Covid19.
One of the better performers is Germany, 4x the testing, about a 1/4 of the deaths. 

Unless the last couple of days are just freakish figures, we have got more people dying every day than Italy.
This is a disaster.

Sadly I think you may well be correct.  Much of it is as we've been saying, the current government has chosen to ignore all manner of advice, not only on this crisis but on much in general.  They've dismissed all manner of what if scenarios, with one aim in mind save money, above all else and it will never happen.  They have been in denial for years on all most major issues we face and as we all know, you can get away with all sorts but not indefinitely, eventually all the dominoes get lined up.  Yes it's rare but if and when they do and you've not got insurance, you're screwed.       

Successive governments certainly over the last 10 years, have cut and cut severely all depts of central government and by reduction in grants, local authorities.  Governments have allowed (over 30 odd years) just about all our manufacturing and nearly all of our pharmaceutical industry to be sold and relocated around the world, all for profit, profit above all else.  Dominoes

Every way this current government is turning they're running into a large extent their own mess, worse they're trying to cover it up and slowly but surely being found out.  Dominoes

Worse still people are paying for it with their lives!


       
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Post by: mtread on 11 April 2020, 06:00:29 PM
Priti Patel today :, when pressed to apologise to NHS workers over a lack of personal protective equipment, couldn’t quite do it. She said: I’m sorry if people feel that there have been failings.
[/color]After being asked twice if she would apologise to NHS staff and their families over the lack of “necessary PPE” that has been linked to NHS workers becoming infected and dying, she said: [/color]I’ve been very clear in what I have said and I’m sorry that people feel that way.


Shocking, absolutely shocking! :eek
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 11 April 2020, 06:13:24 PM
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Sadly I think you may well be correct.  Much of it is as we've been saying, the current government has chosen to ignore all manner of advice, not only on this crisis but on much in general.  They've dismissed all manner of what if scenarios, with one aim in mind save money, above all else and it will never happen.  They have been in denial for years on all most major issues we face and as we all know, you can get away with all sorts but not indefinitely, eventually all the dominoes get lined up.  Yes it's rare but if and when they do and you've not got insurance, you're screwed.       
 
Successive governments certainly over the last 10 years, have cut and cut severely all depts of central government and by reduction in grants, local authorities.  Governments have allowed (over 30 odd years) just about all our manufacturing and nearly all of our pharmaceutical industry to be sold and relocated around the world, all for profit, profit above all else.  Dominoes
 
Every way this current government is turning they're running into a large extent their own mess, worse they're trying to cover it up and slowly but surely being found out.  Dominoes
 
Worse still people are paying for it with their lives!

Totally agree.  But I’m not sure anything will change. 
 
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 11 April 2020, 06:17:52 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVTqWQjWsAAmkxs?format=jpg&name=small)
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Post by: Gnasher on 11 April 2020, 06:26:06 PM
Priti Patel today :, when pressed to apologise to NHS workers over a lack of personal protective equipment, couldn’t quite do it. She said: I’m sorry if people feel that there have been failings.
After being asked twice if she would apologise to NHS staff and their families over the lack of “necessary PPE” that has been linked to NHS workers becoming infected and dying, she said: I’ve been very clear in what I have said and I’m sorry that people feel that way.


Shocking, absolutely shocking! :eek


The women is absolutely epitome of everything we don't need, she's arrogant beyond belief, she doesn't inspire, it's plain to see how she goes about her business, had she not been on national TV and this was a civil servant she'd have lashed the person asking the question she a bully.  You could hear it in her tone, get rid and fast, Boris she's going to cock up big style!   


   
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Post by: mtread on 11 April 2020, 06:46:15 PM
She cocked up in her previous job, was sacked and then Boris brings her back and promotes her.


Whereas Matt Handjob just thinks NHS staff are overusing PPE.
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Post by: mtread on 11 April 2020, 06:48:43 PM
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 11 April 2020, 08:48:53 PM
I make it that the UK is in 57th place in the world in terms of testing. 
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Post by: fazersharp on 11 April 2020, 10:20:54 PM
I make it that the UK is in 57th place in the world in terms of testing. 
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I make it that the UK is in 57th place in the world in terms of testing. 
 
And your point is what. If we were number 1 you would still have some sort of issue with that because it is the "scum Tory (pick a vna expletive ) that is in government  :rolleyes
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Post by: mtread on 12 April 2020, 12:21:08 AM
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And your point is what. If we were number 1 you would still have some sort of issue with that because it is the "scum Tory (pick a vna expletive ) that is in government 

But we're not number 1 or even number 56. That's clearly why too many people are dying. Difficult to defend isn't it?
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Post by: mtread on 12 April 2020, 01:14:09 AM
On the day 917 people died, some of the press think we ought to cheer
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Post by: YamFazFan on 12 April 2020, 09:21:20 AM
 Easter message from Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth. Thank you Ma'am...
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-will-not-overcome-us-says-the-queen-in-first-ever-recorded-easter-message-11972053
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Post by: YamFazFan on 12 April 2020, 11:14:21 AM

On the day 917 people died, some of the press think we ought to cheer


The loss of life is awful news.




I couldn't help noticing the Julian Assange headline on that front cover. WTF :eek
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Post by: Gnasher on 12 April 2020, 11:18:56 AM
I couldn't help noticing the Julian Assange headline on that front cover. WTF :eek


What do you expect from a crap rag like the Mail................................... crap!
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 12 April 2020, 11:28:34 AM
 And Donald Tump’s America?
 
Here’s the plan.

(https://s.rfi.fr/media/display/fa11a4c8-7bb0-11ea-86fb-005056bff430/w:1240/p:16x9/2020-04-09t164235z_525329546_rc241g9gcjbl_rtrmadp_3_health-coronavirus-usa-hart-island_1_0.jpg)
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Post by: YamFazFan on 12 April 2020, 11:35:53 AM

I couldn't help noticing the Julian Assange headline on that front cover. WTF :eek


What do you expect from a crap rag like the Mail................................... crap!


Not exactly the point I was making, but nevermind :rolleyes
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Post by: Gnasher on 12 April 2020, 11:47:31 AM
Not exactly the point I was making, but nevermind :rolleyes


Totally the point :rolleyes crap rag, crap news.  Anyone reading it has to expect crap........................ so there is no point :rolleyes it's exactly what you'd expect crap!
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Post by: fazersharp on 12 April 2020, 11:49:42 AM
And Donald Tump’s America?
 
Here’s the plan.

 
So what's your point. Burials on Hart Island include individuals who were not claimed by their families or did not have private funerals and the homeless  and mass burials of disease victims. Its been used this way since 1869. Its not "trumps plan and you are just attempting to spread fake news. A little bit sick actually.
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Post by: Oldgit on 12 April 2020, 11:58:01 AM

totally agree with Fazersharp on this piece of non news, usually it was prisoners who buried the homeless/unclaimed corpses, but now they are no longer doing it there are private contractors doing it now.

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Post by: Gnasher on 12 April 2020, 12:00:26 PM
Burials on Hart Island include individuals who were not claimed by their families or did not have private funerals and the homeless  and mass burials of disease victims. Its been used this way since 1869. Its not "trumps plan and you are just attempting to spread fake news. A little bit sick actually.


Agree, they got to put them somewhere, but it's not fake news it's happened and is still happening.  Although I think allowing a drone to photograph it is another matter and that is America, anything for money!


I'd also question the BBC and others posting the footage, I think their angle is shock and sensationalism of news, which is happening far too much these days.   
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Post by: YamFazFan on 12 April 2020, 12:06:29 PM

Not exactly the point I was making, but nevermind :rolleyes


Totally the point :rolleyes crap rag, carp news.  Anyone reading it has to expect crap........................ so there is no point :rolleyes it's exactly what you'd expect crap!


Alright, calm down :rolleyes
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Post by: YamFazFan on 12 April 2020, 12:10:04 PM

carp news


That's the Angling Times BTW, not the Daily Mail ;)
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Post by: Gnasher on 12 April 2020, 12:12:17 PM
That's the Angling Times BTW, not the Daily Mail ;)


Well spotted  ;) :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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Post by: YamFazFan on 12 April 2020, 12:14:19 PM
I don't normally do that because it's a bit cheap, but I couldn't resist on this occasion :lol
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Post by: Gnasher on 12 April 2020, 12:16:01 PM
I don't normally do that because it's a bit cheap, but I couldn't resist on this occasion :lol


No worries, very funny  ;) :lol
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 12 April 2020, 01:33:55 PM
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totally agree with Fazersharp on this piece of non news
Funny then that the New York Post are taking an interest.
https://nypost.com/2020/04/09/nyc-to-bury-coronavirus-dead-on-hart-island-potters-field/
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Post by: Gnasher on 12 April 2020, 01:39:47 PM
More evidence the current government has lost control of the crisis and is now just fire fighting, in hope!


 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52261859 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52261859)



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