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Title: caroline flack
Post by: ogri48 on 15 February 2020, 06:04:56 PM
beautifull. rich. we tend to think these people have it all, but they dont. dead at forty. suicide on valentines day. jesus… :\
Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: Stinka on 15 February 2020, 06:20:04 PM
Yeah it’s pretty shocking this whole debacle
Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: dazza on 15 February 2020, 09:38:18 PM
By all accounts MSM again has much to answer for.


Why anyone believes anything the MSM says is beyond me.




RIP. Another life taken too soon.
Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 15 February 2020, 09:54:09 PM
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Why anyone believes anything the MSM says is beyond me.
I think you are referring to the gutter press.
I don't know who she is, but I wouldn't be surpised if she's the lastest victim of the gutter press.
RIP.
Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: robbo on 15 February 2020, 11:57:48 PM
Her boyfriend didn't want to press charges, so the CPS must have a few questions to answer. The Love Island program has now been associated with 3 young suicides. What the foc is happening to young people nowadays. RIP Caroline.
Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: celticbiker on 16 February 2020, 10:45:21 AM
It's the way of the world nowadays. People's self worth is measured by the opinions and perceived lifestyle of others.
I have a tale to tell along these lines of an early example of the perfect life gone tragically wrong but it'll take a while to type up.
Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: darrsi on 16 February 2020, 11:26:24 AM
Her boyfriend didn't want to press charges, so the CPS must have a few questions to answer. The Love Island program has now been associated with 3 young suicides. What the foc is happening to young people nowadays. RIP Caroline.


The CPS did nothing wrong or out of the ordinary.
A serious assault took place in which the police got involved, and the reason the CPS take over is because in the past many victims, male or female, were way too scared to press charges for fear of any further trouble towards them.
So now if the matter is deemed serious enough the CPS take full control regardless, to remove the pressure and blame from the victims, so that they can't be influenced in any way, which i think is the right way to do things.
As for the media, we all know that they can make or break anyone whenever it takes their fancy, and i think that those who work in that industry don't really have a conscience the same as most half decent people.


Bit weird her fella was on holiday on Valentines Day, he could've planned that one a bit better, but there are no doubt many factors that contributed to her way of thinking resulting in this tragic outcome.
Very sad.  :(
Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: agricola on 16 February 2020, 11:48:01 AM
Id never heard of her, or seen Love Island. Does the death of a tv presenter justify so much mainstream coverage? Or a sad reflection of society today that someone who simply presents a tv programme is idolised to that extent. Darrsi makes sound point regarding the CPS
Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: darrsi on 16 February 2020, 12:19:29 PM
Id never heard of her, or seen Love Island. Does the death of a tv presenter justify so much mainstream coverage? Or a sad reflection of society today that someone who simply presents a tv programme is idolised to that extent. Darrsi makes sound point regarding the CPS


She's been in loads of shows, going as far back as Bo Selecta nearly 20 years ago, but also hosted many programs that have an acquired taste, which is why it would be understandable if you didn't know her.
Shows like Celebrity Jungle, Strictly Come Dancing, which she presented AND personally won it as a competitor too, and Love Island are most certainly not my cup of tea and i would never watch them, whereas other people can't get enough of all of them so she would be very familiar to them. 
Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: ogri48 on 16 February 2020, 03:18:17 PM
yeah good point well made about the cps darrsi
Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: darrsi on 16 February 2020, 03:42:07 PM
yeah good point well made about the cps darrsi


They don't make these decisions lightly, in fact it's more likely that they don't pursue a case unless they have more than enough evidence to make it all worth while in court.
Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: Gnasher on 16 February 2020, 06:41:40 PM
Bull shite, reality TV........ complete rubbish  :2guns


Our civilisation is reaching sort of where the Romans were 100 odd years before it all collapsed, they had gladiators killing each other for entertainment. Now we have crap TV like Love Island, big brother and alike that drives what are in my opinion, desperate, vulnerable, adults to sign up to be abused and humiliated by bullies, or has been celebrities desperate to get back into the lime light, for entertainment. 


Sadly this isn't the first death connected to one of these shows, could well be the first death of a host.  I feel sorry for the families. 


Utter crap TV       
Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 16 February 2020, 06:57:15 PM
 
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As for the media, we all know that they can make or break anyone whenever it takes their fancy, and i think that those who work in that industry don't really have a conscience the same as most half decent people.
You mean the decent people who buy their crap.  The decent people who consume a diet of reality TV.  The same decent people who take to social media to express their outrage or whatever.
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Bull shite, reality TV........ complete rubbish 
Absolutely and completely agree.  But of course feed the masses crap and they'll no notice how much they are being shafted.
 
Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: vinnyb on 16 February 2020, 06:57:58 PM
Bull shite, reality TV........ complete rubbish  :2guns


Our civilisation is reaching sort of where the Romans were 100 odd years before it all collapsed, they had gladiators killing each other for entertainment. Now we have crap TV like Love Island, big brother and alike that drives what are in my opinion, desperate, vulnerable, adults to sign up to be abused and humiliated by bullies, or has been celebrities desperate to get back into the lime light, for entertainment. 


Sadly this isn't the first death connected to one of these shows, could well be the first death of a host.  I feel sorry for the families. 


Utter crap TV       

  I thought the Roman Empire collapsed longer ago than that, but then I must admit, I didn't find history that interesting when I was at school.  :lol
Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: HarryHornby on 17 February 2020, 07:33:44 AM
I buggered up the quote thing but, to reply to Darrsi's quote below:

"Bit weird her fella was on holiday on Valentines Day, he could've planned that one a bit better, but there are no doubt many factors that contributed to her way of thinking resulting in this tragic outcome.
Very sad.  :(  "



The CPS had stopped them seeing each other.  Her sister had tried to get the CPS to change the bail conditions to allow them to spend Christmas together but she was denied.  Those same bail conditions were in place up until the day she died.
Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: Gnasher on 17 February 2020, 08:06:13 AM
  I thought the Roman Empire collapsed longer ago than that, but then I must admit, I didn't find history that interesting when I was at school.  :lol


Now's the time to catch up mate  :) it started slowly, driven by greed for guess what......... yep money and profit.  Cuts, cuts and yep more cuts, over a 150 odd years or so, eventually they reached a point were the legions, now mainly made up of auxiliaries (cheaper soldiers not Roman) city and settlements that sprung up to gather/grow/dominate and the trade routes to them could no longer be kept open.  Lowering of standards, ever more corruption, Tribes/peoples like the Vandals (Germans, hay up wake world you're going to be hearing more about these in the next 1300yrs!) these were the biggest of a several.  Way to complicated to list here, but the similarities with what we've got today is pretty striking and unless we do something pretty quick, we in the Western world will go the same way, Daesh or ISIS mean anything to you! 
Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: darrsi on 17 February 2020, 04:38:00 PM
She presented the series Gladiators too.
Just saying....  :lol
Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: fazersharp on 17 February 2020, 05:06:48 PM
What is shocking is that 11 people have contributed to a post about a reality tv personality and yet only about 9 people have contributed to the political thread that Graham started - and half of them only posted to to ask for it to be locked  :eek   
Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: darrsi on 17 February 2020, 06:46:43 PM
What is shocking is that 11 people have contributed to a post about a reality tv personality and yet only about 9 people have contributed to the political thread that Graham started - and half of them only posted to to ask for it to be locked  :eek


And rightly so, what a load of shite that post turned into.
Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: darrsi on 17 February 2020, 06:54:15 PM
I buggered up the quote thing but, to reply to Darrsi's quote below:

"Bit weird her fella was on holiday on Valentines Day, he could've planned that one a bit better, but there are no doubt many factors that contributed to her way of thinking resulting in this tragic outcome.
Very sad.  :(  "



The CPS had stopped them seeing each other.  Her sister had tried to get the CPS to change the bail conditions to allow them to spend Christmas together but she was denied.  Those same bail conditions were in place up until the day she died.


I never knew that as i would only generally glance over the story then move on, as i thought it was just another celebrity domestic row.
As time goes on more about the scenario is slowly being leaked and it seems she was quite troubled, and the whole affair had hit a raw nerve.
Still sad whatever angle you look at things though.
Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: Dudeofrude on 17 February 2020, 07:09:25 PM
What annoys me is the fact that someone relatively famous couldn't take the pressure and killed herself and the whole media goes into a frenzy, 8 stories on the sky news app about her. Yet some poor guy drowns in the floods and they dont even care to mention his name in the single article they wrote about it.
I know it's sad in either case but why is her life more important than his 🤷‍♂️
Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: ogri48 on 17 February 2020, 07:57:51 PM
I cant help but agree. and if it had been the other way around, if the guy had battered her and left her blood all over the bedroom, what do we all think the media and public would be saying if he killed himself to avoid the court hearing?
Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: fazersharp on 17 February 2020, 08:32:45 PM
BBC had one of those black backgrounds with the dates and a photo of her - like they do for well known actors, a bit sickening when they too played their part in hounding her in the same report hey also showed some bbc footage of her surrounded by press and cameras and then the report over the footage they were calling it a "media scrum" - when they were there and part of it.

 Seems to be a lot of journalists falling over themselves backtracking
Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: darrsi on 17 February 2020, 09:02:00 PM
BBC had one of those black backgrounds with the dates and a photo of her - like they do for well known actors, a bit sickening when they too played their part in hounding her in the same report hey also showed some bbc footage of her surrounded by press and cameras and then the report over the footage they were calling it a "media scrum" - when they were there and part of it.

 Seems to be a lot of journalists falling over themselves backtracking


Yeah, you're not wrong there!
Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 17 February 2020, 10:04:24 PM
 
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BBC had one of those black backgrounds with the dates and a photo of her - like they do for well known actors, a bit sickening when they too played their part in hounding her in the same report hey also showed some bbc footage of her surrounded by press and cameras and then the report over the footage they were calling it a "media scrum" - when they were there and part of it.
Umm no.  A high-profile public figure appears in court on serious assault charges…….  Why is that you think this should not be reported?  BBC just doing it’s job.


However, I don’t think the BBC goes in for muck racking, gutter journalism, cheque book journalism or phone and email hacking for example.


I do not believe that the BBC can be accused of playing any role, or having had any influence on these recent sad events.  To suggest so is a bit silly.


 
Not that I am saying they don’t ever over step the mark or get it wrong.  They rightly got screwed over their reporting of Cliff Richard. 

 
Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: fazersharp on 17 February 2020, 10:54:47 PM
  BBC just doing it’s job I don’t think the BBC goes in for muck racking, gutter journalism, cheque book journalism or phone and email hacking.
 
Not that I am saying they don’t ever over step the mark or get it wrong.  They rightly got screwed over their reporting of Cliff Richard.
Is there ever any connection between your brain and what you are typing.
Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: fazersharp on 17 February 2020, 11:02:43 PM
I don't know who she is,
A high-profile public figure
Is there ever any connection between your  brain and what you are typing  :rollin
Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 17 February 2020, 11:34:37 PM
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Is there ever any connection between your  brain and what you are typing 
I don't do reality TV.
Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 17 February 2020, 11:36:14 PM
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Quote from: VNA on Today at 10:04:24 PM ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php?topic=25948.msg309448#msg309448[/url])<blockquote>  BBC just doing it’s job I don’t think the BBC goes in for muck racking, gutter journalism, cheque book journalism or phone and email hacking.
 
Not that I am saying they don’t ever over step the mark or get it wrong.  They rightly got screwed over their reporting of Cliff Richard.
</blockquote>Is there ever any connection between your brain and what you are typing.

Perhaps you can only see in simple terms of black and white.
Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: ogri48 on 18 February 2020, 09:23:56 AM
 :lol :lol :lol VNA I swear to god, if you weren't on this forum, youd stand at home in front of a mirror arguing with yourself until you got so angry you punched yourself in the face ;) ;) :lol
Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: vinnyb on 18 February 2020, 10:21:17 AM
:lol :lol :lol VNA I swear to god, if you weren't on this forum, youd stand at home in front of a mirror arguing with yourself until you got so angry you punched yourself in the face ;) ;) :lol

:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: slappy on 18 February 2020, 10:31:04 AM
:lol :lol :lol VNA I swear to god, if you weren't on this forum, youd stand at home in front of a mirror arguing with yourself until you got so angry you punched yourself in the face ;) ;) :lol

:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin



I would pay good money to see that ! 
Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: mtread on 18 February 2020, 11:09:30 AM
The media makes and breaks.
You only need to have recently watched 'The Christine Keeler Affair' (proper TV) to see that nothing has changed in 60 years.
Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 18 February 2020, 06:31:13 PM
 
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:lol :lol :lol VNA I swear to god, if you weren't on this forum, youd stand at home in front of a mirror arguing with yourself until you got so angry you punched yourself in the face ;) ;)

Like I say to suggest that the BBC are guilty of persecuting Ms Flack is ridiculous, unless that is you can produce evidence to the contrary Ogri.
 
Meanwhile a great many are stating how they find the bullying, muck racking and persecution of individuals by the tabloid press disgusting.  But then the next morning they buy another copy of the Sun, Mail, Express etc.


The fact is there is massive demand for the shite that these shitty so-called newspapers peddle.  And yup lives get destroyed in the process.
 
Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: YamFazFan on 18 February 2020, 06:32:42 PM
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Is there ever any connection between your  brain and what you are typing 
I don't do reality TV.
Delete 'TV' and that statement makes perfect sense.
Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: fireblake on 18 February 2020, 06:50:21 PM
Id never heard of her, or seen Love Island. Does the death of a tv presenter justify so much mainstream coverage? Or a sad reflection of society today that someone who simply presents a tv programme is idolised to that extent. Darrsi makes sound point regarding the CPS


She's been in loads of shows, going as far back as Bo Selecta nearly 20 years ago, but also hosted many programs that have an acquired taste, which is why it would be understandable if you didn't know her.
Shows like Celebrity Jungle, Strictly Come Dancing, which she presented AND personally won it as a competitor too, and Love Island are most certainly not my cup of tea and i would never watch them, whereas other people can't get enough of all of them so she would be very familiar to them.


Not forgetting CBBC when she was in her 20's
Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: Bazza123 on 20 February 2020, 10:03:25 PM
Very sad that someone has died. However if the tables had turned and it was a man in this situation, I’m not sure the public would be so forgiving.


For example, at the age of 31 she was dating a 17 year old, and I believe she had other domestic violence incidents to her name, with two different men. Her boyfriend in this case called 999 after this last one, so it must have been serious.


Would a man who had dated a 17 year old girl, who had (allegedly)attacked two other women before, and was said to have attacked his sleeping girlfriend with a bedside lamp be called “beautiful” in the press and magazines. I think not.


Women have been pushing for parity in police investigations against domestic abusers etc for a long time now. The same crowd now seem to be saying “how dare the CPS pursue her”.
Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: darrsi on 21 February 2020, 07:15:48 AM
She lamped him (literally) while he was asleep, which could've done some serious damage, or worse, which resulted in him calling the police and saying out loud "She's trying to kill me", and on responding they find him injured but also now her covered in blood after self harming.
The whole reason they altered the law years ago was because there would quite often be sympathy for an abuser once things had calmed down, they'd sobered up, or they'd begged for forgiveness AGAIN.
But in a few relationships this would almost be standard and regular behaviour, which sometimes like in this case can go one step too far where the injuries involved call for outside intervention to put a stop to it.
Booze certainly does not help, but add drugs to the mix and that's where the violence takes a different turn as they will bring out the worst in you.
Most peoples claims about poor mental health state are 'normally' triggered by booze, drugs or more likely a mixture of both in the first place, so it's all self inflicted.
It would have actually been very wrong if the CPS hadn't pursued what went on with the evidence that was presented, but i kind of get the feeling that this would have ended badly anyway whether they had or not, then people would have been shouting at why they didn't get involved.
Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: Oldgit on 21 February 2020, 02:06:04 PM

http:// (http:///)https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/troubled-young-lawyer-found-dead-21543189 (https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/troubled-young-lawyer-found-dead-21543189)

It's happening every day, people need to be supported when going through troubling times.
Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: YamFazFan on 21 February 2020, 04:56:49 PM
  But then the next morning they buy another copy of the Sun, Mail, Express etc.
, Mirror, Guardian etc...
Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: darrsi on 22 February 2020, 06:40:21 AM

http:// (http:///)[url]https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/troubled-young-lawyer-found-dead-21543189[/url] ([url]https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/troubled-young-lawyer-found-dead-21543189[/url])

It's happening every day, people need to be supported when going through troubling times.



There was another one in the news yesterday, supposedly an "ex cocaine addict" who was unsurprisingly on loads of booze AND drugs when he brazenly stabbed a pub landlord to death because he'd been barred a few days earlier.
He too was blaming his 'mental health' issues for everything, although he did totally admit to the crime. Not that it made any difference because it was clearly all on CCTV anyway.
So another case where the culprit blames their troubles on their mental state, when in fact it's not nature taking a turn for the worse, but all preventable and self inflicted. I'm not saying people shouldn't let their hair down every now and then, but you need to be responsible for your own behaviour.
There are two main negative side effects that a lot of cokeheads suffer from, and that is unusual and out of character random acts of aggression or physical violence, and the other is talking total bullshit and lies thinking that people will believe your crap.
In short, it turns you into a predictably unpredictable arsehole.
Seen it all happen before with my own friends, with a response of complete and utter disbelief at something they've done or said that is so out of character you can easily guess what is going on with them.
Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: Grahamm on 22 February 2020, 01:55:02 PM
So another case where the culprit blames their troubles on their mental state, when in fact it's not nature taking a turn for the worse, but all preventable

Isn't it fortunate that mental health and drug rehabilitation programme provisions haven't been cut to ribbons over the past decade... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6025145/ (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6025145/)
Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 22 February 2020, 02:16:16 PM
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So another case where the culprit blames their troubles on their mental state, when in fact it's not nature taking a turn for the worse, but all preventable and self inflicted.
People who have mental health issues, and indeed people who are continually bullied often turn to drink and drugs.  Then in turn an uncaring, judgemental society can wash their hands of such people – they brought it on themselves – junkies etc.
 
Plus we have a gutter press that is happy to use peoples personal lives, personal issues etc for entertainment, and a public happy to lap it all up.
 
Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: fazersharp on 22 February 2020, 02:48:59 PM
So another case where the culprit blames their troubles on their mental state, when in fact it's not nature taking a turn for the worse, but all preventable

Isn't it fortunate that mental health and drug rehabilitation programme provisions haven't been cut to ribbons over the past decade... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6025145/ (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6025145/)
Why are you quoting an American - drug company backed - organisation.
Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: YamFazFan on 22 February 2020, 03:26:00 PM
Plus we have a gutter press that is happy to use peoples personal lives, personal issues etc for entertainment, and a public happy to lap it all up.
Like you when the gutter press publish stuff about Boris Johnson's personal life for example?.
Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: darrsi on 22 February 2020, 04:02:45 PM
So another case where the culprit blames their troubles on their mental state, when in fact it's not nature taking a turn for the worse, but all preventable

Isn't it fortunate that mental health and drug rehabilitation programme provisions haven't been cut to ribbons over the past decade... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6025145/ (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6025145/)


I'm not reading all that, sorry.
Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: darrsi on 22 February 2020, 04:06:23 PM
Plus we have a gutter press that is happy to use peoples personal lives, personal issues etc for entertainment, and a public happy to lap it all up.
Like you when the gutter press publish stuff about Boris Johnson's personal life for example?.


Or the constant stupid and unfunny/offensive cartoons against Boris Johnson which could quite easily be classed as bullying.
In fact it really is thinking about it.
Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 22 February 2020, 04:40:44 PM
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Or the constant stupid and unfunny/offensive cartoons against Boris Johnson which could quite easily be classed as bullying.
In fact it really is thinking about it.
My, my, imagine that, bullying a bully, a homophobic and misogynistic racist liar. :lol
 
Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 22 February 2020, 04:44:00 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ERN5775UUAUSGaW?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: Grahamm on 22 February 2020, 08:23:44 PM
So, when presented with evidence, one person decides they don't like the message, so they're going to shoot the messenger and the other one can't be bothered to even look at it, because that would involve a bit of effort (despite the fact that there's a simple 16 line Abstract at the top which tells you everything you need to know about the article).

Now *what* does that remind me of...??  :rolleyes
Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: YamFazFan on 22 February 2020, 08:57:11 PM
I'd spend a bit more time examining why your beloved Labour party, who have the answer to everything, were led to their heaviest defeat since the 1930's if I were you Grahamm.
It's all very well constantly carping and whining about the incumbent Tory government but don't you think Labour should have been offering a credible, effective, alternative government instead of an unelectable, far left cult led by a Marxist who's stuck in the 1970's?.
Oh of course I forgot, the voters "Got it wrong again" :rolleyes
Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: YamFazFan on 22 February 2020, 09:10:35 PM
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Or the constant stupid and unfunny/offensive cartoons against Boris Johnson which could quite easily be classed as bullying.
In fact it really is thinking about it.
My, my, imagine that, bullying a bully, a racist, a homophobic and misogynistic racist liar. :lol
..and how useless must that mean the official opposition is if they go down to their heaviest defeat since the 1930's against such a man?.
Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: darrsi on 22 February 2020, 09:20:29 PM
I'd spend a bit more time examining why your beloved Labour party, who have the answer to everything, were led to their heaviest defeat since the 1930's if I were you Grahamm.
It's all very well constantly carping and whining about the incumbent Tory government but don't you think Labour should have been offering a credible, effective, alternative government instead of an unelectable, far left cult led by a Marxist who's stuck in the 1970's?.
Oh of course I forgot, the voters "Got it wrong again" :rolleyes


Wasting your breath with these few, as was quite apparent months ago.
Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 22 February 2020, 09:41:47 PM
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Oh of course I forgot, the voters "Got it wrong again"
It's a Tory government, lead, yes, by a homophobic and misogynistic racist liar.  Strange things, not surprisingly are happening, as nationalism and patriotism sweeps across England.
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Oh of course I forgot, the voters "Got it wrong again"
Do try and remember that this a government elected by England.  Here this might help....... ;)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ELpdL2DXYAAGQtS.jpg)

Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: Grahamm on 23 February 2020, 01:36:20 AM
I'd spend a bit more time (blah blah blah)

Ah, so we've gone from shooting the messenger to an ad hominem attack on me.

Fabulous technique!

Oh and, by the way, they're not MY "Beloved Labour Party". I'm not a Labour member. I'm not even a Labour supporter. What I *am* is someone who opposes the current Tory Party because of the mess they have got this country into.

Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: darrsi on 23 February 2020, 07:34:56 AM
I'd spend a bit more time (blah blah blah)

Ah, so we've gone from shooting the messenger to an ad hominem attack on me.

Fabulous technique!

Oh and, by the way, they're not MY "Beloved Labour Party". I'm not a Labour member. I'm not even a Labour supporter. What I *am* is someone who opposes the current Tory Party because of the mess they have got this country into.


A bit like the small fact that i'm not a supporter of ANY party, as i have made it quite obvious from an early stage that i can't stand any of these politicians whatsoever, because they are most certainly all made from a similar mould, it's just that some are clearly more incompetent than the others.
Whether Boris Johnson appears to be fucking things up in a big way, lying about whatever, or not keeping promises in an impossible and thankless job, i do strongly believe that if Corbyn was in his shoes then he would fuck things up even more.   
It was a no win scenario this time around when the voting was going on, and the most accurate description i ever read was on here when it was suggested it was like choosing whether to cut your throat or your wrists!
I don't know what kind of scenario you have in your mind if Steptoe had been put in charge, but i just can't see why you'd think he could do any better than the shower of shite we have now?
Remember, HE is the sole reason Labour got the worst results ever.
If any of the Labour Party had any savvy whatsoever, they'd have binned him years ago, but no, they let him bring the whole party down even though historically his background was appalling.
Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: darrsi on 23 February 2020, 07:39:22 AM
So, when presented with evidence, one person decides they don't like the message, so they're going to shoot the messenger and the other one can't be bothered to even look at it, because that would involve a bit of effort (despite the fact that there's a simple 16 line Abstract at the top which tells you everything you need to know about the article).

Now *what* does that remind me of...??  :rolleyes


Ok, whatever, i can live with that.
We're having a quickfire discussion, and i'll openly admit i can't be arsed reading a novel length borefest of uninteresting scripture.
I don't want to, i don't need to, so i just won't.

Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: YamFazFan on 23 February 2020, 08:27:36 AM
I'd spend a bit more time (blah blah blah)

Ah, so we've gone from shooting the messenger to an ad hominem attack on me.

Fabulous technique!

Oh and, by the way, they're not MY "Beloved Labour Party". I'm not a Labour member. I'm not even a Labour supporter. What I *am* is someone who opposes the current Tory Party because of the mess they have got this country into.
OK. We've heard what you're against. Now who, or what, is your solution to to 'the mess'?.
Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: YamFazFan on 23 February 2020, 09:55:07 AM
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Oh of course I forgot, the voters "Got it wrong again"
It's a Tory government, lead, yes, by a homophobic and misogynistic racist liar.  Strange things, not surprisingly are happening, as nationalism and patriotism sweeps across England.
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Oh of course I forgot, the voters "Got it wrong again"
Do try and remember that this a government elected by England.  Here this might help....... ;)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ELpdL2DXYAAGQtS.jpg)
So it's alright when nationalism and patriotism sweeps across Scotland then?
Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: agricola on 23 February 2020, 10:20:09 AM
and as I predicted in another thread, the 3 Amigos continue to pollute other threads with shite.
Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: ogri48 on 23 February 2020, 03:31:09 PM
yup. it was about caroline flack, wasn't it originally? im just giving up on threads once they turn to boris/Brexit bashing. its fucking ridiculous.
Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 23 February 2020, 06:00:20 PM
 
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So it's alright when nationalism and patriotism sweeps across Scotland then?

Nationalism most certainly has not swept across Scotland.  There is a world of difference between an inclusive movement for self-determination and home rule, which has swept across Scotland, and indeed has strengthened as a result of BREXIT, and the nationalism that is sweeping across England.
 
Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 23 February 2020, 06:02:59 PM
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yup. it was about caroline flack, wasn't it originally?
Yup YamFazFan decided to make it about Boris, The Labour Party and a general election. :eek
Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: steve 10562cc on 23 February 2020, 06:03:48 PM
Perhaps the English have had enough of mouthy know all Scots
Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: YamFazFan on 23 February 2020, 06:23:51 PM
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yup. it was about caroline flack, wasn't it originally?
Yup YamFazFan decided to make it about Boris, The Labour Party and a general election. :eek
Grahamm tried to politicise it first with a dig at the Conservative government in his post #41. My posts were a response to that.
Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: Grahamm on 23 February 2020, 10:47:19 PM
Remember, HE is the sole reason Labour got the worst results ever.

No, HE is the ONLY person or thing that you are heaping all the blame on.

And the Brexit topic is over there ---->
Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: Grahamm on 23 February 2020, 10:49:14 PM
who, or what, is your solution to to 'the mess'?.

You already know the answer to that, but you won't accept it "Because DEMOCRACY!!!11111!!!!oneoneoneeleventyone!!!111!!!"

And, as I've said to darrsi the Brexit topic is that way ---->
Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: darrsi on 24 February 2020, 07:04:08 AM
On a more relevant side note, i just read that Kirk Douglas left his entire $61million fortune to charity.
That's a very generous thing to do, and it's not like his immediate family was short of a few quid, but i think i would've left some to them regardless if it was me.
Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: YamFazFan on 24 February 2020, 08:34:27 AM

who, or what, is your solution to to 'the mess'?.

You already know the answer to that, but you won't accept it "Because DEMOCRACY!!!11111!!!!oneoneoneeleventyone!!!111!!!"


Nope, can't fathom what any of that is supposed to mean :rolleyes
Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: fazersharp on 24 February 2020, 08:51:17 AM
On a more relevant side note, i just read that Kirk Douglas left his entire $61million fortune to charity.
That's a very generous thing to do, and it's not like his immediate family was short of a few quid, but i think i would've left some to them regardless if it was me.
Not a lot really I would of thought he had a bit more than that. If he was sparticus today in a movie he would be paid 61M for one film.
Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: darrsi on 24 February 2020, 12:01:28 PM
On a more relevant side note, i just read that Kirk Douglas left his entire $61million fortune to charity.
That's a very generous thing to do, and it's not like his immediate family was short of a few quid, but i think i would've left some to them regardless if it was me.
Not a lot really I would of thought he had a bit more than that. If he was sparticus today in a movie he would be paid 61M for one film.


Family friend of ours scored a goal in a very early 1960's FA Cup Final match, i'm sure i remember him saying he was on about £30 a week wages back then.


Michael Douglas is worth about $300million, so he hasn't done too bad either.
Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: robbo on 24 February 2020, 06:34:12 PM
Up until December 1960, the FA had a maximum wage ceiling of £20 a week for footballers, so early 60's and 30 quid a week is very likely. Johnny Haynes became the first £100 a week player after the players union, led by Jimmy Hill, overturned the FA maximum wage ruling in January 1961.
Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: darrsi on 24 February 2020, 08:50:55 PM
Up until December 1960, the FA had a maximum wage ceiling of £20 a week for footballers, so early 60's and 30 quid a week is very likely. Johnny Haynes became the first £100 a week player after the players union, led by Jimmy Hill, overturned the FA maximum wage ruling in January 1961.


Money these days for football, and boxing, is obscene.
Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: YamFazFan on 24 February 2020, 09:45:29 PM

who, or what, is your solution to to 'the mess'?.

You already know the answer to that, but you won't accept it "Because DEMOCRACY!!!11111!!!!oneoneoneeleventyone!!!111!!!"


Nope, can't fathom what any of that is supposed to mean :rolleyes
...I'll take that as 'No I don't have an alternative solution' then :thumbup
Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: Grahamm on 24 February 2020, 11:37:17 PM
You can take it as anything you want. It doesn't make you right.

The answer is obvious (to anyone who isn't wedded to an ideology).
PS And the answer can be found in that thread over there --->
Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: YamFazFan on 25 February 2020, 06:02:44 AM
You can take it as anything you want. It doesn't make you right.

The answer is obvious (to anyone who isn't wedded to an ideology).
PS And the answer can be found in that thread over there --->
....loads of posts defending Labour and Corbyn in particular.
So I was right to start with ;) .
Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: Grahamm on 25 February 2020, 11:12:08 AM
....loads of posts defending Labour and Corbyn in particular.
So I was right to start with ;) .

If it pleases you to think that your wrong assumptions were right, far be it for me to bother to waste time trying to disabuse you of them.
Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: fazersharp on 25 February 2020, 01:39:53 PM
Very sad that someone has died. However if the tables had turned and it was a man in this situation, I’m not sure the public would be so forgiving.
Would a man who had dated a 17 year old girl, who had (allegedly)attacked two other women before, and was said to have attacked his sleeping girlfriend with a bedside lamp be called “beautiful” in the press and magazines. I think not.
Today on the BBC morning news they had the walking bloke in his speedo's in the studi (in his speedo's) Dan said "now is all over you can get some clobber on" then Sally Nugent pipped up looking at speedo man " Oh I don't know I quite like the speedo's ".
 Imagine the calls for the presenter to to be removed if it were a bloke looking at a woman in a bikini in the studio.

 
Title: Re: caroline flack
Post by: YamFazFan on 25 February 2020, 01:47:48 PM
The female presenters on the 'Loose Women' programme are some of the biggest hypocrites for that sort of thing.