Author Topic: Complete lack of start up. (Read 8151 times)

DangerNoodle · « **on:** 16 November 2016, 10:14:31 pm »

Okay so as much as I hate starting out with a negative post, this is quite important.

I picked up a 2000 Model FZS recently and everything seemed good, It started and ran both before and after transport from Liverpool to my house. The bike stopped running seemingly dye to lack of petrol, as I was putting it away and has since refused to start. So far I have filled the tank to rule out lack of petrol, charged the battery and checked the emergency cut out isn't active but still it won't start.

When I try using the starter there is no noise whatsoever, the only thing that happens is the engine light comes on along with the yellow light next to the fuel gauge. Any ideas will be appreciated!

His Dudeness · « **Reply #1 on:** 16 November 2016, 10:18:58 pm »

is it in gear? make sure it's in neutral. could be a dodgy side stand switch or kill switch.

DangerNoodle · « **Reply #2 on:** 16 November 2016, 10:24:36 pm »

It's definitely in neutral, both standard have been dropped and lifted before and after attempting the start as far as the kill switch, thst is possible because I don't have the kit to check that is 100%.

darrsi · « **Reply #3 on:** 16 November 2016, 10:50:50 pm »

Was the bike sitting around for long before buying it?
Just 'cos you've charged the battery doesn't mean the battery is good.
Try jumps leads from a car WITH THE CAR ENGINE OFF, and see if it starts. Obviously easier for someone to press the button while you hold the leads on, as they don't really clip on too well..
If it starts, dud battery.

unfazed · « **Reply #4 on:** 16 November 2016, 11:34:35 pm »

Always wise to check the fuses particularly the ignition fuse

DangerNoodle · « **Reply #5 on:** 16 November 2016, 11:44:32 pm »

True I'll see if I can get some jump leads tomorrow and test that idea out. As far as the ignition fuse, is it located in the 'fuse' box?

unfazed · « **Reply #6 on:** 16 November 2016, 11:57:58 pm »

Yep, fuse box under the seat near the battery.

bikemad · « **Reply #7 on:** 17 November 2016, 09:50:14 am »

Dirt corrosion on contacts either switch,solanoid,starter also bad earth can do this,put a screwdriver across the solanoid terminals if it turns over problem is the switch end.

Paul · « **Reply #8 on:** 17 November 2016, 10:09:43 am »

I had a similar problem with mine about two weeks ago

Pressed the starter button and nothing happened at all
No clicking from the solenoid

It turned out that the alarm loop plug had come disconnected.

The alarm loop plugs (two of them) are located under the seat near the CDI box.
I think that's where you connect an alarm if you have one.

How one of them got disconnected... I've no idea.
Anyway thanks to 'Unfazed' it now seems to work fine.

BBROWN1664 · « **Reply #9 on:** 17 November 2016, 01:21:10 pm »

If the lights on the dash are illuminating and the engine isn't cranking then the kill switch is turned off or it thinks its in gear.

Try this.
Make sure the kill switch is ON
Make sure the neutral light is ON
Make sure the side stand is UP
make sure the clutch lever is pulled IN
and press the start button

DangerNoodle · « **Reply #10 on:** 17 November 2016, 01:53:42 pm »

Cheers everyone, I'll go through these suggestions today and get back to you with my results.

DangerNoodle · « **Reply #11 on:** 17 November 2016, 04:58:06 pm »

So far the culprit seems to be a blown fuse in the ignition circuit. Haven't had chance to test it yet because I have none to hand. Thst and I've lost the block thst the positive battery terminal screws in to -_-

slappy · « **Reply #12 on:** 17 November 2016, 08:03:46 pm »

If it is a blown fuse then you still have to find the reason it has blown.

BBROWN1664 · « **Reply #13 on:** 18 November 2016, 08:36:29 am »

Quote from: slappy on 17 November 2016, 08:03:46 pm

If it is a blown fuse then you still have to find the reason it has blown.

Could just be old age. too many heating and cooling cycles and the just go.

As an aircraft engineer I was taught, find the fault before resetting any circuit breakers or replacing any fuses. Real life taught me, reset the damn thing and see if it goes again, that way, IF it goes again you may see the spark or hear the pop where the problem is. At worst, you will at least have a fresh puff of smoke to sniff for.

DangerNoodle · « **Reply #14 on:** 18 November 2016, 11:45:04 am »

I am hoping it's more of an 'old age' issue since when it blew the bike was already running and I was actually riding it into its storage. But as always I'll get the fuse in, start it up, and I'll get back with the outcome.

Cheers everyone so far

DangerNoodle · « **Reply #15 on:** 18 November 2016, 06:01:08 pm »

Replaced the fuse and still nothing. Getting the two lights when I press the ignition switch but still no signs of attempting ignition.

Checked and replaced the ignition fuse,
checked the solenoid fuses and they're fine, battery charge seems fine after checking it on a trickle charger.

Graham53 · « **Reply #16 on:** 18 November 2016, 08:16:18 pm »

At the start of the thread you said the engine light is on ?? And the fuel gauge warning light , but no neutral light ?? Or does the neutral light go out when starter pressed ?? .
I just tried starting mine after being laid up for a while and the battery was almost dead but not enough to turn starter and the lights went out when the starter was pressed due to the current drain,
Are you 100% the battery isn't shagged ? Is it the correct battery or check solenoid I had one go ages ago and it didn't click it was like I had a dead battery so I got a battery same fault then after much fault finding stuck a screwdriver across the starter motor connectors and hey presto it turned over the solenoid was shagged , you said the solenoid fuse was ok did you check the solenoid or just the fuse ??

unfazed · « **Reply #17 on:** 18 November 2016, 09:29:02 pm »

Was the fuse definitely blown???
Did you check the other fuses??

DangerNoodle · « **Reply #18 on:** 18 November 2016, 09:37:23 pm »

Definitely blown, took it out and checked under light. Checked every other fuse in the box plus the ones in the Solenoid. The only one I needed to replace was the blown ignition fuse.

DangerNoodle · « **Reply #19 on:** 18 November 2016, 09:41:53 pm »

In reply to Graham yes the neutral light was on when I turned the key, the fuel light (yellow) and the engine light (red) came on when I pressed the starter.

As far as the solenoid I only checked fuses as it started to rain and my bike is outside. If its dry tomorrow I'll try the bypass.

darrsi · « **Reply #20 on:** 18 November 2016, 11:01:07 pm »

Humour me, and try a jump lead start!

DangerNoodle · « **Reply #21 on:** 19 November 2016, 10:33:37 am »

I don't have any leads Darsi, otherwise I would do.

Paul · « **Reply #22 on:** 19 November 2016, 10:48:00 am »

If you want to bypass the starter cut out relay and circuits:
Connect the white/blue wire from the solenoid to the white/blue wire in the brown plug in wiring junction box under the tank

The white/blue wire in the brown plug runs to the starter button

I had a very similar problem last week.
Ultimately it turned out to be one of the alarm loop wires under the seat near the cdi box (the plug had come partially disconnected)

darrsi · « **Reply #23 on:** 19 November 2016, 11:01:34 am »

Quote from: DangerNoodle on 19 November 2016, 10:33:37 am

I don't have any leads Darsi, otherwise I would do.

That's what neighbours are for.

DangerNoodle · « **Reply #24 on:** 19 November 2016, 12:03:18 pm »

Haha agreed but the guy went and got a girlfriend and is more often at her house now :')