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FZS600 Fazer / Re: left to loosey or right to tighty
« on: 18 March 2019, 08:48:18 AM »

<after actually checking...>
They’re threaded so they loosen with impact, so the clutch mirror is the righty and needs to be turned anticlockwise to undo it.

FZS600 Fazer / Re: Worn out battery...
« on: 17 March 2019, 10:01:25 AM »

You mistrustful foccers.  :lol

I did post the pic on "What did you do with your Fazer today?" last year.
That was February 2018. Mileage is only a couple of thousand more now, thanks to being made redundant I don't have a long commute these days.

FZS600 Fazer / Re: Worn out battery...
« on: 15 March 2019, 11:05:58 PM »
I tell you what fella - I'd take the battery down to your local stealer and commend them on how long their stuff lasts....including the 200k bike. They must be willing to at least give you a new battery and possibly a free service.

BTW - your fluke is about as old as the bike..

The bike lasted longer than the dealer!
The Fluke, think it dates from about 1993. Another a reliable bit of kit... though after you've done a current measurement it's well worth double-checking you've put the leads and dial back to volts before putting it across a lead-acid battery: the high current fuse in it is about £10 IIRC.  :'(

FZS600 Fazer / Re: Worn out battery...
« on: 15 March 2019, 06:46:24 PM »

Yes, I bought the bike new and that is the original.
Up until now it’s benefitted from regular long runs, even in winter, as I had a 35-45 mile commute.
Batteries like that sort of treatment even if I didn't.  :lol

FZS600 Fazer / Worn out battery...
« on: 15 March 2019, 11:16:25 AM »

The bike’s been off the road now since November… the first winter it’s ever had without being used. Hadn’t planned it this way, lack of spare time has delayed engine replacement and always hoping I’d find the time meant I’d left the battery in it.
Retrieved it this morning and was surprised to find it still registered 12V and, given a boost, will doubtless turn an engine over as willingly as ever. Those original GS units were damn fine batteries.

Sadly it may need replacing soon, the jolting from 200k of crappy roads has worn through the casing and it’s starting to leak nasties. I’ll try to patch it: obviously want to keep what is probably the world’s highest mileage FZS600 battery going a bit longer :rollin but the end is in sight.

General / Re: New shoes!
« on: 14 March 2019, 05:19:28 PM »

Michelin PR3s are a good match for the FZS600. They’re lighter, which means the steering feels different if you’re used to Bridgestones.
There is anecdotal evidence that the Michelins are more prone to punctures as the kevlar cords are not as good at deflecting nails.

General / Re: what is a cager in training?
« on: 01 March 2019, 10:52:51 AM »

Always felt that was a bit pointless too as it’s based on the number of posts which you can see anyway. And quite a few people have a total greatly inflated by contributions to the meritless "three word story" and "word association" threads.
A ranking based on the usefulness of posts would be a welcome addition, eg. a count of thumbs-up clicks… but that would probably involve a change of forum platform and a lot of expense.

FZS600 Fazer / Re: wont start and petrol leaking from overflow tube
« on: 28 February 2019, 08:54:49 AM »

You can identify which carb is overfilling by checking the fuel level in each.
You need a short length of polyethylene tubing that fits on the drain spigot at the bottom of the carb. Bend it into a “U” and slacken off the drain screw and watch for the level the petrol rises to compared with the seam at the top of the float bowl. Details in the manual.

FZS600 Fazer / Re: wont start and petrol leaking from overflow tube
« on: 27 February 2019, 10:38:12 PM »
Possibly a leaking seal around one of the float valves, the O-rings tend to crack now they're getting old.
Alternatively, a stuck or leaking float.

FZS600 Fazer / Re: Fender Extender
« on: 25 February 2019, 11:07:40 AM »

The first thing I did to my Fazer was stick an extender to the mudguard with silicone. Twenty years and 200,000 miles on it's still firmly in place.
I wouldn't worry about the colour, black is well camouflaged against the tyre so it doesn't really notice. (OK, mine's a black bike, but I've seen plenty of red, silver, blue and brown Fazers with black extenders and they don't look any the worse for it.)

FZS600 Fazer / Re: Crankcase Breather Pipe
« on: 21 February 2019, 08:53:25 PM »

It connects to the bottom of the airbox. Pic on page 3-25 of the manual.
(The little filter at the top of the carbs vents to free air.)

FZS600 Fazer / Re: Heavy/hard to pull in clutch
« on: 21 February 2019, 09:20:29 AM »

I see you raised a slipping clutch issue a few months ago and mentioned that the bike had been fitted with heavy duty springs.
If that is still the case it is the cause of your problem.
This doesn’t tally with you only recently noticing the clutch lever is ridiculously heavy of course, but HD springs do make the bike a misery to ride in traffic.

FZS600 Fazer / Re: Heavy/hard to pull in clutch
« on: 18 February 2019, 09:12:25 PM »
While you’re lubing everything, don’t forget the pivot for the lever… that can get very stiff as it’s exposed to the worst of the weather and, by hiding in plain sight, often gets neglected.


If you suspect valves aren’t closing I’d start by measuring clearances.
BP, Shell etc have pricier versions of petrol loaded with additives that supposedly clean the valves. However, the Fazer’s carbs are set to run rich, presumably to allow a safety margin in case of low octane fuel. This does mean that there is always a fair amount of soot in the exhaust but nothing to worry about.


The Fazer is fairly insensitive to the type of silencer fitted. Unless a mouse has built a nest in the exhaust I doubt the change is the cause of the problem.
What was the weather like when you tested it? The cold, misty mornings we’ve had lately are ideal for carb icing. If the heater passageways through the carbs have become blocked that can give symptoms similar to those you describe.

FZS600 Fazer / Re: What have you done to your FZS600 bike today
« on: 13 February 2019, 09:30:04 AM »

Fitted spotlights
Changed orange indicator lenses to smoked
Fitted heated grips

Smoked indicator lenses?
You have the majority of vehicles "out to get you" and you are lessening the chance of them seeing you make a turn, and if something unfortunate was to happen then believe me the first thing they will shout will either be "He didn't indicate" or "I couldn't see the indicators properly".
Are they even legal, and will they get through an M.O.T., it's not something that has ever even crossed my mind before to fit?

I find clear indicators to be the hazardous ones.
When in sunshine they can catch so much light that the difference between on and off is not visible.  Amber or smoked ones absorb external light on the way in as well as on the way out whereas the light you want only has to make the trip out... so the contrast between on and off is roughly 3 x better.

General / Re: Today's "What Gets My Goat"
« on: 10 February 2019, 09:51:54 PM »
That’s surprising. I replaced the two 4’ fluorescents in my kitchen with LED tubes a few weeks ago and feel like I need sunglasses in there.

You sure.  The ones they give us a work, which I think are cheapies, are nowhere near as bright as conventional tubes.  They do sometimes fool people into thinking they are quite bright as they tend to have a cold blue colour temp, rather then the warm yellow of conventional. 

Thinking about it, you’re probably right. Though I went for a 2700K colour temperature the 18W LED tubes do only claim 1800 lumens and the old fluorescents appear to be 3000.
The difference in brightness is doubtless because the old tubes are getting on a bit… they’re the originals I installed shortly after moving in, so are about 28 years old.
Also, it’s winter so my kitchen is usually pretty cold when I turn the lights on and fluorescents are famously dim until they warm up. I’m probably comparing 1800 lumens with about 800 as a result.   :rollin

General / Re: Today's "What Gets My Goat"
« on: 09 February 2019, 11:06:09 PM »
[... The LED fluorescent replacement tubes are not very bright and they don’t seem to last any longer than fluorescents, though at least the fittings last almost forever as it’s 240 straight onto the LED tube.   But what I notice at work is when they try to save on price by buying cheap, the reality is it costs them a fortune.

That’s surprising. I replaced the two 4’ fluorescents in my kitchen with LED tubes a few weeks ago and feel like I need sunglasses in there.

The cheap bulbs are downright dangerous as well as short-lived. Some I got off ebay had fake CE markings (spacing between the letters wrong) so I took a look at the circuit and realised that if one of the LEDs went open-circuit the capacitor which was rated at 35V would have about 10x that across it. Sure enough, a few months later the lamp died and a minute later there was a bang which blew the top off leaving exposed mains dangling out.

General / Re: Radio show
« on: 09 February 2019, 09:32:09 AM »

US 1950’s biker culture all seemed a bit irrelevant to me, Laurie Taylor seemed to be trying to categorise all motorcyclists as Marlon Brando wannabes. The question “Is there such a thing as a middle-class biker?” was particularly silly.
That we’re principally white and male though, is something the programme could have explored better. Hollywood stereotyping doesn’t seem a good enough explanation, yet the PhD from Manchester didn’t get beyond that. What was interesting was her point on safety: that other road users find us intimidating so ignore us to reduce the stress… rather like the peril-sensitive sunglasses from The Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy. :lol

FZS600 Fazer / Re: 600 to 1000cc engine swap ??
« on: 04 February 2019, 11:31:05 PM »

A few years ago someone on here (Deefer?) did report that the 1000cc motor can be shoehorned into the 600 frame. Can’t recall the details, but since I find swapping the standard motor hard enough I was amazed that it is possible to ft the bigger lump in there.
As to whether it’s a good idea… sure, if you want an engineering project. Otherwise, no.

FZS600 Fazer / Re: Spark plug drain holes
« on: 04 February 2019, 09:42:16 AM »

HSS bits of that length are hard to find.
I had a pack of extra long masonry bits which I’d bought ages ago in a poundshop. The shaft of the “6mm” one was 190mm long, but tungsten carbide head was too wide. So I just hacksawed that off and used a round needle file to deepen the flute at the tip.

FZS600 Fazer / Re: Fzs600 self destruct
« on: 31 January 2019, 04:09:03 PM »

Well, the original nut that holds the drive sprocket on isn’t up to the job, but once it’s replaced with the new, thicker nut it’s reliable enough.
The gearshift mechanism is prone to wear which means false neutrals when you’re expecting second gear, but that usually only makes itself a nuisance at moderately high milage (80,000+ in my experience).
Other than that, it’s a gem IMHO.

General / Re: Having trouble starting bike in cold weather?
« on: 27 January 2019, 11:14:31 AM »

All the cars I’ve ever owned have had such a sloppy gearchange that the lever position is no indication of whether it had been left in neutral… depressing the clutch when starting has been second nature.
I well remember watching, at the age of 9, my mum start her Triumph Herald on the driveway and demolish the garage doors as a result of having left it in gear.  :rollin

FZS600 Fazer / Re: Spark plug drain holes
« on: 21 January 2019, 10:57:40 PM »

Lack of time meant I only got back to this yesterday and only for a couple of hours.
I’d ordered a 10mm x 1mm tap which extracted an astonishing amount of grit from the plug hole. That explains why it needed so much torque to get the plug out… I was surprised it didn’t shear off.
With the plug hole blocked off to stop debris dropping in it was then possible to clear the drain hole between the two plug wells. No way would an air line have done the job, the passage was stuffed with tight packed oily grit and needed a long drill bit to dig it all out.
Still have to persuade plug 2 to come out in one piece then I can clean out that thread... and then there's the right hand half of the engine, which is likely to be worse.
The right side will most likely be worse. The bike leans to the left on the side stand so the left side of the engine points down and has a chance to drain whereas the right side points up so all the rain water and dirt collects on that side around the spark plugs. Take your time when you're undoing those plugs and clean the area as best you can. Sometimes working the plugs in and out with a bit of oil helps to clear the threads

Yes, I’ve left a mixture of oil and WD40  soaking plug 2 which I only managed to shift by half a turn before my courage ran out. The force needed to move it that far was alarming.
On the upside, it was a pleasure to screw plug 1 into its lovely clean hole: smooth and easy all the way in. :b
I wish Yamaha had drilled independent drain holes for plugs 2 & 3, the fact that the outermost plugs are in the way makes clearing the passageways very difficult. I bet practically every FZS600 out there (apart from Fazersharp’s) has them blocked.
Even better, of course, would be if Yamaha had devised a seal that completely closed the area off from rain and dirt.

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