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Re: what did you do with your fazer today ?
« Reply #8225 on: 30 April 2020, 09:29:34 am »
Just a thought Grahamm, the metal sleeve at the bottom of the shock doesnt have a thread in it, so I dont follow how you could draw it out, unless you tap a thread in it. I cna corfirm its a bastard to get out though. Try to get some rotational movement first, dremmel a slot in the end so that you can get something on it and tap it around.

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Re: what did you do with your fazer today ?
« Reply #8226 on: 30 April 2020, 08:07:11 pm »
This is what I'm using:
80mm M8 bolt

Aluminium Sleeve to go over the one on the rear shock and a couple of 25mm penny washers to spread the load.

On the other end are two M8 bolts (locked against each other) and two 12mm washers which press against the sleeve.
The idea being that, when I tighten up the bolt (with a spanner holding the nuts at the other end, obviously!) it should draw the sleeve out of the bottom of the shock mount.
Except nothing would move :(

Tomorrow I'm going to try the blow torch to heat the two sides of the shock mount and hopefully that will expand them enough that I'll be able to get it moving.
I've heard of people using mole grips etc on the sleeve or, as you say, using a Dremel to cut a slot or even welding a bolt to the end so they can use a breaker bar on it, but I'll leave those for later...!

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Re: what did you do with your fazer today ?
« Reply #8227 on: 30 April 2020, 09:16:22 pm »
I could have sworn that when I had mine out, the sleeve fitted up against a shoulder, with about 10 to 12mm sticking proud on the right side. If im right, thats why you cant draw it out, youre drawing against the shoulder

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Re: what did you do with your fazer today ?
« Reply #8228 on: 01 May 2020, 01:39:20 pm »
I could have sworn that when I had mine out, the sleeve fitted up against a shoulder, with about 10 to 12mm sticking proud on the right side. If im right, thats why you cant draw it out, youre drawing against the shoulder

Damn, having had a look with a fibreoptic scope (bought it a couple of years ago for the hell of it, glad I did now!) it seems you're right.


What I *thought* was the end of the sleeve on the left hand side, is probably just the marks left from the end of the bolt that goes through the bottom of the rear shock :(


It didn't help that the bloody Haynes Manual shows the tool I made up in the Tools and Workshop Tips section and says "Hey, you can use this to get the bearing out of a swingarm".


Of course if Yamaha had made it a sensible design in the first foccing place...


Agricola: When you say "Dremel a slot", do you mean like a screwdriver slot that goes across both sides of the sleeve?


Also did you use heat? ISTR warnings that a butane torch can melt aluminium, so I don't want to wreck the swingarm if I try to heat the sections each side of the bottom of the shock...


Any helpful tips would be welcomed.

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Re: what did you do with your fazer today ?
« Reply #8229 on: 01 May 2020, 03:09:04 pm »
Yes, I dremmeled  a slot across the end face of the sleeve, big enough for a blade to fit in. I also dremmeled a slot/groove onto the outside diameter near to the end face of the sleeve, so that I could get a smallish chisel/punch etc into the slot, then tapped it out from the left side of the bike. Prior to punching/turning with the blade, I red heated a piece of round bar that fitted into the bore, and slipped it into the bore and let it transfer the heat into the sleeve. Add in release oil, and patience, and I finally got it out without damage. I wasnt concerned about the needle bearing and seals cos I was replacing them anyway

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Re: what did you do with your fazer today ?
« Reply #8230 on: 01 May 2020, 07:19:43 pm »
Ok, thanks for that :thumbup

I'm going to have to think about this and have another try tomorrow.

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Re: what did you do with your fazer today ?
« Reply #8231 on: 02 May 2020, 11:09:16 am »
You could also try a split collar clamped tight onto the od thats proud of the frame. Couple of tapped holes in the collar and it could be used as a jacking tool to jack the thing out, or help it out with a drift from the left side.

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Re: what did you do with your fazer today ?
« Reply #8232 on: 02 May 2020, 01:30:37 pm »
Fitted anew screen, tail tidy and LED indicators!

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Re: what did you do with your fazer today ?
« Reply #8233 on: 02 May 2020, 11:21:02 pm »
You could also try a split collar

I had no idea what one of those was, so I searched it and the images look *just* like one of the products I sell...!!!  :rollin


Well, anyway, I haven't, yet, managed to shift the sleeve on the bottom of the rear shock. I tried heating the bracket that holds it, then zapping the inside of the sleeve with some freeze spray, but it didn't want to move.

However I have finally managed to get all the brake pipes off, although that was a palaver.

There are another couple of screw connectors just above the gear box, but I was unable to get them to move and one started to round off.

So I decided to try heat on the ones at the front and, after putting some aluminium foil behind them and then a wet cloth, I heated them up and, joy of joys, they shifted!

I did also try this on the ones in the frame, but didn't have any luck with them, so, instead, I decided that if I could wiggle stuff around enough, I might be able to pull the hard lines and the hoses to the ABS modulator out via the front of the bike.

Sounds simple, but it took me over half an hour trying to get everything through tiny gaps...


Anyway, eventually I got it all out, so I might have another go at freeing the screw connectors tomorrow or, if I feel up to it, having another shot at the rear shock.


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Re: what did you do with your fazer today ?
« Reply #8234 on: 03 May 2020, 12:27:22 am »
You could always convert it to conventional brakes  :rolleyes

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Re: what did you do with your fazer today ?
« Reply #8235 on: 03 May 2020, 03:10:12 pm »
You could always convert it to conventional brakes  :rolleyes


Wouldn't that mean the ABS light would always be on? If so, thats an MOT failure

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Re: what did you do with your fazer today ?
« Reply #8236 on: 03 May 2020, 08:41:20 pm »
Fitted anew screen, tail tidy and LED indicators!










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Re: what did you do with your fazer today ?
« Reply #8237 on: 04 May 2020, 12:15:41 am »
You could always convert it to conventional brakes  :rolleyes

I've only had the ABS activate on the front wheel *twice* ever since I bought the bike 13 years ago.


One time I remember well was when I was on a Ride Out and following a car down a country road.


We were just going around a bend and I was getting ready to accelerate and pass them after we'd exited the corner, when they suddenly must have realised they'd missed an entrance they were going to turn in to, so they slammed on their brakes.


I was far enough behind (of course) that I didn't have to emergency stop, but I did have to brake firmly.


Unfortunately there was a patch of gravel that I couldn't avoid, so, as I braked, I felt the ABS cut in, I then stopped safely.


Had I not had the ABS, I'd probably have ended up on the ground.


So, thanks for the suggestion, but I'll keep it :thumbup
« Last Edit: 04 May 2020, 12:16:34 am by Grahamm »

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Re: what did you do with your fazer today ?
« Reply #8238 on: 04 May 2020, 05:19:53 pm »
Fitted anew screen, tail tidy and LED indicators!


Oh go on then  :rolleyes  just fitted the belly pan too  :D
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Re: what did you do with your fazer today ?
« Reply #8239 on: 05 May 2020, 07:51:23 pm »
Very nice, :thumbup
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Re: what did you do with your fazer today ?
« Reply #8240 on: 05 May 2020, 07:54:36 pm »
Not today but at the weekend.... started the long overdue fork rebuild. Including holder tool from bicycle frame and sacrificed socket!
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Re: what did you do with your fazer today ?
« Reply #8241 on: 05 May 2020, 11:16:25 pm »
Very nice, :thumbup


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Re: what did you do with your fazer today ?
« Reply #8242 on: 12 May 2020, 11:07:17 am »

Took the Thou for its yearly check - another MOT pass with no advisories  :woot :woot




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Re: what did you do with your fazer today ?
« Reply #8243 on: 12 May 2020, 11:53:32 am »
Nice :thumbup . And in fast red too :thumbup .
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Re: what did you do with your fazer today ?
« Reply #8244 on: 13 May 2020, 07:56:59 am »
Adjusted the chain for the first time since replacement 8.5k miles ago. Gave a quick check over in preparation for a whizz out tomorrow morning. Ordered a set of rear axle crash bungs.
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Re: what did you do with your fazer today ?
« Reply #8245 on: 13 May 2020, 11:09:52 pm »
Changed the fork oil on the 600, put 10w back into it, had 15W to see what it was like, but made the front too stiff on compression for my liking on our undulating roads. Back to normal again  :woot

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Re: what did you do with your fazer today ?
« Reply #8246 on: 14 May 2020, 04:45:16 pm »
Had an excellent 165 mile thrash around Sussex and Kent's finest B roads. Good job I wore a winter coat, as my leathered up pals, froze their nuts off. Even had to give the new heated grips a minor work out as well. Weekends weather should be much warmer, so no doubt be doing it all over again on Sunday. :lol
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Re: what did you do with your fazer today ?
« Reply #8247 on: 14 May 2020, 05:05:14 pm »
Took her out for her first post lockdown thrashing. Nothing too manic, just a good 75miles around the wolds. Was definitely chilly but worth the sacrifice to be out on the road again

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Re: what did you do with your fazer today ?
« Reply #8248 on: 14 May 2020, 05:43:03 pm »
I didn't find it cold at all today. 50 miles or so around the Dales, full leathers on, plus boots and full facer, just minimising the risks of an off. I have to say, saw a fair few out on the bikes today, and didn't see anyone riding like a twat. Hats off to them all, nice and steady does it for a while

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« Reply #8249 on: 14 May 2020, 09:16:23 pm »
Took her out for her first post lockdown thrashing. Nothing too manic, just a good 75miles around the wolds. Was definitely chilly but worth the sacrifice to be out on the road again








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