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Fazer 1000/FZ1 corner / Re: Front Forks Fix/Change?
« on: 25 April 2013, 02:26:47 pm »
I'm taking notes from your build thread, hopefully I won't find it that much like hard work!


I'm more likely to whack the old forks up for sale straight away - otherwise they'll just sit in my garage for three years taking up space - I have far too much "oh I might use that sometime" stuff  in there already!  Can't decide whether or not to paint the legs silver though, maybe I'll try them black and see how it looks.


When I say I don't ride hard - I perhaps mean that I don't hang off the bike scraping my knees and elbows on the floor at roundabouts - I don't potter around like Miss Daisy - I did manage to play with the quick boys in the intermediate group at a bike track day!  Much to their horror when I turned up and took my luggage off then set about chasing them down with their slick tyres and "proper" bikes!  My ol' sports touring tyres didn't like it much though, rear tyre looked like the dog had eaten it by lunchtime.

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Fazer 1000/FZ1 corner / Re: Front Forks Fix/Change?
« on: 25 April 2013, 01:39:30 pm »
Blackcabbie,


It's exactly this reason, the ease of fitting, that is inspiring me - I'm not looking for out and out best performance - if I was I'd go and buy a supersports!  However, if I can fix a fork seal for £xx, or change to R6 shocks for £xx + £50 and gain performance whilst losing weight, well, it's a bit of a no brainer really.  Hell, I might even make that £50 back by selling my one good Fazer fork on eBay!


To that end I have decided to go down this route.  I've found some R6 forks and a spindle, not the cheapest at £150 all in, but they are near me for collection, and apparently in good condition.  I'll see how I get on and report back - should hopefully have it done in a week and be back on the road and legal - woot!

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Fazer 1000/FZ1 corner / Re: Front Forks Fix/Change?
« on: 24 April 2013, 10:09:46 am »
I'm all for lightness, so I guess moving to the 5SL makes most sense... I'd never consider another bike if mine was 40kgs lighter. Shame the forks are black though, they are going on a silver and blue bike!

I 'm not light though, which is a concern, as I don't want to go stripping things down already,  I've actually lowered the rear a bit too, so I guess I'd not have quite as much weight over the front anyway. Are the forks much lighter than standard? Don't suppose you weighed them did you?

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Fazer 1000/FZ1 corner / Re: Front Forks Fix/Change?
« on: 24 April 2013, 07:37:49 am »
I think I've answered my own question, I believe the only direct bolt on replacement that utilises the Fazer yokes and everything else, is the R6 5SL and 5EB route... 


So 5SL is the black leg bases which require the R6 axle too...and has a short travel so no problems with rad fouling.  5EB has a longer travel but can utilise the fazer axle.  It seems the 5EB is the more direct bolt on replacement of the two, but the fork may be a problem - these also seem to go for 10%-20% less on eBay too.  Are there any other advantages to either?

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Fazer 1000/FZ1 corner / Re: Front Forks Fix/Change?
« on: 23 April 2013, 07:50:50 pm »
Hi kebab,

I saw your build thread, very interesting, seems like these might be the way forward, though I'm not sure travel will be a problem, don't ride THAT hard! And the r6 forks are of a similar spring rate to standard, plus they are  lighter?


Is there much difference between the 5sl and 5eb?

Are there any r1 setups that are worth considering, or are they all replacement yokes and stuff?

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Fazer 1000/FZ1 corner / Front Forks Fix/Change?
« on: 23 April 2013, 04:56:26 pm »
Hi Foccers,


Now, I know this has been answered in differing ways a million times already - but after using the search and getting 150 different opinions I'm totally confused!


Firstly, my problem:-


I have a 2001 Fazer Thou.  I am an averagely weighted rider, and I ride fairly sensibly, though I do sometimes "press on".  I've never really found my suspension to be a problem on the Fazer other than it feeling a little unsettled under braking on crappy roads.  That said, I did splash out on an R6 rear shock from DevilsYam last year, and I've always had the forks dropped through 20mm or so - which did improve my riding experience nicely - even if I didn't know it was a problem before!


My issue is she eats right-hand fork seals.  I seem to be replacing them every two years or so and I've just got back from a failed MOT as it popped another on the way to the test centre.  Left hand side has been done once before, but it didn't leak before or after (I just had it done as the other side was already out).  I'm wondering if its either a problem with the fork stanchion, or maybe a problem that I don't ride her enough to keep things lubed?


Either way, I'm now looking at trying to find a garage to stick some new seals in again, costing another £80+.


However, before I do, I wondered if there were any direct replacements that would be an "upgrade" as well?  I believe the R6 5EB front forks might bolt straight in(?), and the 5SL ones go in with a bit of work, and I've seen these go for £120 odd you see...  Not sure about early R1 offerings, but I don't want to go USD or go spending £300-500 on a Ktech rebuild or entire R1 front end... but if I can get either some R1 or R6 forks that fit nicely as is for £150, without (much) modification or changing yokes and brakes and stuff then it might make sense to do now, rather than sorting the seals?


Thoughts please!  Alternatively, if anyone local to Camberley wants to come and pop some new seals in for some beer money - that might be a third option!

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Fazer 1000/FZ1 corner / Re: Metzeler Roadtec Z8
« on: 24 May 2012, 10:56:22 am »
Did you get these in the end?  I'd be interested to see how you feel they compare - I've always loved the Bridgestone 02x series, and was looking at getting a pair for my missus' 600 Foccer which is in need of new rubber.  However, if these Metzers are a better choice??

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Running problems/TPS issue?
« on: 24 May 2012, 10:49:39 am »
Well, this lunchtime I am going to have another go at balancing the carbs with the carbtune, as its working properly now, and the job is fairly easy.  Just did my thou and made that much better.


If we still have issues then I might well need to delve further - but this carb tweaking business seems like a black art to me, adjusting pilot jets and cleaning float chambers and the like.  Are you offering your fine services to assist, red98??

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Running problems/TPS issue?
« on: 22 May 2012, 08:56:09 am »
OK, that makes some sense! I believe mine were in that range, but I didn't have the stablisers in the rubber tubes for the carb balancer, so it was very tricky to read!  I might have to go back in there and have another go, making a note of the readings I think, thank you!


Leading on from my previous comment about finding one cheaper, here is the post I found
http://www.bikesandtravels.co.uk/default.aspx?pagef=201&l1=Biking%20Blog%20FZS%20600%20Throttle%20Position%20Sensor%20-SOLVED!


A quick synopsis was that the TDM 850 had the same TPS and the Bandit 1200 might have been the same too - hopefully this might help other foccers if you've not stumbled across the article already

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Running problems/TPS issue?
« on: 21 May 2012, 10:18:15 pm »
I'm in Surrey, near Camberley/Reading... are you anywhere nearby?   I was afraid it might be a tps error :o(


I found a link (bookmark at work, I'll post it up here tomorrow as it might help others) to a blog where someone went on a quest for an affordable alternative - I think he found the tps from an 850 adventurer fitted, I'll ge the model number, but it was barely into double figures to buy, as opposed to the £185 for the Fazer one, does that sound right?

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Running problems/TPS issue?
« on: 21 May 2012, 06:02:36 pm »
Haha - good, not just (nearly) me then!


Typical IT geek - rip open box of new toy, plug in - MAKE IT GO MAKE IT GO!  Scratch head, shout profanities at object, break it, send it back or sulk (or all of the above)... then read the instructions.

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FZS600 Fazer / Running problems/TPS issue?
« on: 21 May 2012, 02:47:46 pm »
Greetings fellow foccers.


Seem to have an issue with the better half's Fazer 600.  I had running problems low down on gentle throttle, which I diagnosed as carbs out of balance (my Fazer thou does similar stuff).  So I purchased the carbtune, and used the instructions on here to balance the carbs. 


First step on the destructions was to check/alter the TPS, so switched on ignition, disconnected TPS, reconnected and it read 10k (just over) so I figured I was in setup mode and it needed adjusting. Undid screws and turned it every which way but Sunday and it made f'all difference to the reading on the tacho.  I removed it completely, blew on it and looked at it REALLY hard, reassembled and there was a glimmer of hope as it briefly flicked to 5k and then 0k on the tacho, but then back up to 10k again.  Only the once though.  After that, every so often, when turning it back and forward, the needle might flick vagually toward 7k, but then back up to 10k again.  Please note, its not that I am able to get it to say 0k or 10k and just unable to find 5k - I cannot get it to say anything BUT 10k where-ever I stick the damn sensor. 


I tried to find how to get the tacho to report an error, it will give me an error of 3k if I disconnect the tps completely, but I figured that is normal?  Doesn't seem to give an error when the tps is connected.  Anyway - is it broke?


Second step was I stuck the tps in vaguely the same position, and slapped on the carbtune.  Balanced the carbs as best I could, but the readings were leaping around all over the place, eventually I found that holding the revs around 3k with one hand and altering the screws with the other seemed to work, and I got it close after a lot of swearing.  Reassembled and went for a ride, and its a lot better, but not quite right, I guess the tps isn't right?


Lastly, a very important note to people doing the same... RTFM.  After all of the above and packing the bike back in the garage feeling grumpy... I read the carbtune sheet, and they detail how to add the suppressors/absorbers into the carbtune rubber lines.  This would have given me a much better balanced set of carbs and would negate the daft throttle holding issue I had - oops!  If you are going through the same walkthrough, make sure you read the carbtune booklet and make your rubber tubes up correctly first!!

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Deefer had the parts, but stopped talking to me when we were trying to sort out the price, so does anyone else have any parts lying around they might be able to help with please?

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Thanks mofo (I won't call you old, that seems rude :lol ), I've PM'd him already, but thanks to you I can hassle him on the phone if he doesn't respond!




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Hi Peeps,


I have picked up a crashed 2003 Fazer 600 and I'm trying to get it running for my better half on the quiet.  Thought I'd come here as you've all been helpful with my thou! 


Its a 2003 Fazer 600 with carbs, and primarily I'm looking for the starter clutch cover (kidney shaped cover on right hand side of bike) ideally with the bearings still in and two of the securing bolts.


I'm also looking for a right hand indicator and right hand drivers foot peg too, any help gratefully received!  Hopefully we can resurrect this fazer...


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Fazer 1000/FZ1 corner / Re: R6 shock Mod
« on: 21 February 2012, 10:36:51 am »
Hi all,  time to add my (quite verbose) two pence.  Feel free to just read the first and last paragraphs and ignore my drivel in between!


Another "+1" on Devilsyam kit.  I sent him my R6 shock I sourced, and he sent it back  with all bits ground and drilled, and the shock cleaned and all adjusted up for my ample bodyweight, along with good instructions and a shiny set of dog bones - all within a few days!


Fitting was quite easy, fortunately I could get to all of the bolts with a ratchet an spanner, even the top shock mount one with the addition of a UJ and a couple of extension bars.  How people undo that top mofo with a 14mm spanner I'll never know - I had a 2 foot ratchet on there!!  Anyway, ignoring the bolt size differences (instructions say 19mm on one, but they were all 17mm or 14mm on my bike) the instructions are more than informative enough, and the new shock just plopped straight in with no issues.  Only thing to be careful about is the washers glued to either side of the top shock mount - in this cold weather they popped off when I looked hard at them.  I just covered them in grease and got them to stick in place that way whilst I bolted everything up.


So, how is it I hear you ask?  Well, firstly let me say that I couldn't find the stock settings for the front forks as recommended, so they are set to 11 clicks out on compression, and 4 clicks on rebound with a couple of rings showing on the preload.  I did also pop the forks through the clamps 10mm to quicken up the steering.  If someone can confirm the stock settings for me I'm more than happy to try them, I think I might dial down the compression setting a touch. 


Anyway, I digress, my first impressions as I warmed up the bike gently were wow, this feels SOOO much lighter - once moving at any speed it feels like 10 kilos has been lopped off, not the 1 kilo difference between the two shocks!  She also felt much more willing in the corners, catching me out with her eagerness to bend over :)  So, I topped up her kangaroo juice, and went off on the hunt for some nice roads to play with.  Once "pressing on" a touch more, the bumpy potholed roads didn't upset the bike, she felt a lot more composed and glued to the roads, attacking corners with a new limpet like quality akin to my old CBR6 - it felt great!  Obviously not being a riding God I cannot give quantifiable evidence, but I was attacking corners more quicker, with absolutely no dramas - and both bike and rider felt a lot more comfortable and confident.  The upgraded ability of the back end seems to compliment the front end too, and that is much improved.


We then had to stop for a set of lights on a dual carriageway - and I wobbled up to the front, around the shiny metal bollards.  The lights changed and off we set - much like a scalded cat.  The difference in acceleration behaviour is quite something, gone is the feeling the back end is attached to a pogo stick!  The only motion is forwards, and its quite intoxicating!  I then attacked a fast dual carriageway section at a fairly unreasonable pace and the increased high speed cornering stability is quite apparent, again very confidence building.


Then back to home down slower twisties that I knew well, of course now I was happy and warm, as was my steed, so we "made progress" quite significantly here too.  She does now seem to have much more of a tendency to lighten the front wheel and shake her head when pushing hard out of corners, also hitting the odd crest in the road did see the front wheel lifting here and there - not wheelies or anything (I still can't do them) but definitely much more eager to lift an inch or two off the road and make you look like a hero.  There is absolutely no drama from the back end, just happiness and compliance with your every whim.


So in summary (if you are still with me) a VERY worthy upgrade, making your bike feel much keener, more planted and giving you much more confidence - There are no downsides it seems.  If you have some spare pennies - go buy an R6 shock kit from Devilsyam and get it on there - you won't be disappointed.  I've fallen in love with my bike all over again - certainly rekindled "the spark".  My next job is to remove the AIS facehugger, and see what removing a bit more weight does for us!

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