Quote from: bandit on 28 April 2019, 11:18:26 amDon't think the chain is endless when fitting it just means it's supplied with a rivet link only instead of a split link option, so hence the endless in the description. That has thrown me now.Here are the 2 options in busters one described as "Endless" and the other as "Open Chain with Rivet link". https://www.busters-accessories.co.uk/en/category/10108000000/vehicle/yamaha-fzs-600:21149/But both have a drop down list with "Accessories" which list separately either a hollow rivet or a solid rivet.Screenshot attached
Don't think the chain is endless when fitting it just means it's supplied with a rivet link only instead of a split link option, so hence the endless in the description.
Interesting read:https://www.sportbikes.net/forums/fz6-fz6r/450616-need-new-chain-want-endless.html
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Yamaha-FZS-600-S-Fazer-98-03-DID-JT-Quiet-Chain-And-Sprocket-Kit-P1/283334074132?hash=item41f806df14:g:eH0AAOSwm79ckjyC
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Yamaha-FZS-600-S-Fazer-98-03-DID-JT-Quiet-Chain-And-Sprocket-Kit-P1/283334074132?hash=item41f806df14:g:eH0AAOSwm79ckjyCSomething to read,https://www.mrcycles.com/endlesschainremoval
Quote from: bandit on 28 April 2019, 12:01:21 pmhttps://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Yamaha-FZS-600-S-Fazer-98-03-DID-JT-Quiet-Chain-And-Sprocket-Kit-P1/283334074132?hash=item41f806df14:g:eH0AAOSwm79ckjyCCan't remember the exact reasoning, but i've read on here many times not to use an "extra" or "super" heavy weight chain on these bikes.After reading that link i posted earlier it could just be that it's totally unnecessary and a bit overkill for this size of bike i s'pose? That aside, that's a pretty good deal, as that package has got everything you need by the looks of it.
Quote from: Fazerider on 28 April 2019, 10:50:31 amQuote from: celticbiker on 27 April 2019, 10:12:43 pm… The sets you buy usually come with afam sprockets… I guess things have changed. I’ve not bought an aftermarket C&S set for ages (the last 2 have been genuine Yamaha and I get 40k from them thanks to the oiler), but the sprockets always used to be JT.I must look into getting a Scottoiler to be honest, it really doesn't bother me using the brush method at all, in fact i like to see exactly what's going on, but it would make more sense to do it automatically.I've started using a thicker grade gear oil, is that still okay to use with these gadgets?
Quote from: celticbiker on 27 April 2019, 10:12:43 pm… The sets you buy usually come with afam sprockets… I guess things have changed. I’ve not bought an aftermarket C&S set for ages (the last 2 have been genuine Yamaha and I get 40k from them thanks to the oiler), but the sprockets always used to be JT.
… The sets you buy usually come with afam sprockets…
I've never fitted a chain link myself, not on a motorbike anyway, so one question is can you get it very wrong or is it that straightforward to do?Can you press the pin too much for example causing any issues?As you can fully understand it's not an area that you really want to botch in any way or form as the aftermath could be disastrous.
Quote from: darrsi on 28 April 2019, 12:19:59 pmI've never fitted a chain link myself, not on a motorbike anyway, so one question is can you get it very wrong or is it that straightforward to do?Can you press the pin too much for example causing any issues?As you can fully understand it's not an area that you really want to botch in any way or form as the aftermath could be disastrous. That is pricecly why I want an Endless chain - if it exists.
Another thing to mention, i spent decades using proper spray chain lube thinking it was the best thing since sliced bread, yet after trialing using engine oil instead put on with a paint brush i can really see and feel that the chain is in a much better condition than it ever was than when it was gunged up with lube.Nothing sticks to it any more so it looks cleaner for starters and when the oil is very quickly applied with the paint brush on a warm chain i can immediately see that every single link is getting a good covering, whereas i can now understand that it would be fairly easy to miss just one link using the spray lube which in turn can then become that weakest link that you suddenly feel through your footpeg further down the line.
So it really was overkill by Yamaha.
I use the Afam Riviting tool, simple to use
Quote from: fazersharp on 27 April 2019, 03:15:52 pmI will get a photo of the front sprocket for peoples opinion as to if I really need to change it as I understand it wears quicker than the rear. What is the tool you use?This is the one.https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/183609863691?
I will get a photo of the front sprocket for peoples opinion as to if I really need to change it as I understand it wears quicker than the rear. What is the tool you use?
Quote from: darrsi on 28 April 2019, 12:19:59 pmI've never fitted a chain link myself, not on a motorbike anyway, so one question is can you get it very wrong or is it that straightforward to do?Can you press the pin too much for example causing any issues?As you can fully understand it's not an area that you really want to botch in any way or form as the aftermath could be disastrous.Yes, you can overtighten the link if you spread the pin too hard. I use vernier calipers, tighten the tool slowly and stop once the rivet link is the same width as the other links. Easy.
This is a video of the tool that is supplied with the chain & sprocket kit from Ebay earlier.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cISYlybsTVU
Quote from: Fazerider on 28 April 2019, 12:36:10 pmQuote from: darrsi on 28 April 2019, 12:19:59 pmI've never fitted a chain link myself, not on a motorbike anyway, so one question is can you get it very wrong or is it that straightforward to do?Can you press the pin too much for example causing any issues?As you can fully understand it's not an area that you really want to botch in any way or form as the aftermath could be disastrous.Yes, you can overtighten the link if you spread the pin too hard. I use vernier calipers, tighten the tool slowly and stop once the rivet link is the same width as the other links. Easy.I can totally understand people being hesitant on doing it themselves though as it's such an important part of the bike that needs to be spot on.Ideally i s'pose it would be nice to have an old chain to practice on so that you can then be totally confident with everything.
A decent rivetter would cost 50-60 quid, although the Afam one is cheaper and a good choice as it is just a rivetter whereas most sets include tools to assist the breaking of the chain, which an angle grinder will do. The link that was posted showing hollow and solid links need different tools to flare the link. Solid links are rarely chosen where a Whale is the best tool, as this is a hammered on link commonly used in race paddocks. There is a chain/sprocket kit using Ognibene sprockets which have the "silent" dampers on them. I deliberated over what to get quite recently, and eventually plumbed for a stock Yamaha front, which are quite expensive, and a steel Afam rear which is available in black, which I thought, looked good.