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General => General => Topic started by: Robbie8666 on 07 May 2015, 09:52:04 am
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wow its 09:50 & no ones mentioned the election!! :z :z
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Wow we manage to get to 09:52:04 AM before the election is mentioned
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Ive got an erection....does that count?
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Ive got an erection....does that count?
.......all the makings of a Benny Hill sketch.
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IMHO this election will all be about nothing really.
People will vote Labour as they are fed up with the cuts in services etc. People will vote UKIP for various reasons but will result in a Labour government in coalition with the SNP who should not be allowed to sit in Westminster as they should not have a vote on things affecting England in the same way that we cannot vote on things affecting Scotland.
The resulting ar$efec will mean higher taxes and unemployment for us all meaning in 5 years time everyone will be voting Conservative again to get Millibland out of office.
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I predict a Con/ukip coalition I think there are more people who will be voting ukip than the poles suggest.
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IMHO this election will all be about nothing really.
People will vote Labour as they are fed up with the cuts in services etc. People will vote UKIP for various reasons but will result in a Labour government in coalition with the SNP who should not be allowed to sit in Westminster as they should not have a vote on things affecting England in the same way that we cannot vote on things affecting Scotland.
The resulting ar$efec will mean higher taxes and unemployment for us all meaning in 5 years time everyone will be voting Conservative again to get Millibland out of office.
So, to sum up.......they're ALL c***s. :thumbup
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:thumbup
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Personally I think that the theory/solution proposed in a Terry Pratchett book is right. Anyone wanting to stand for election should be automatically disqualified.
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I predict a Con/ukip coalition I think there are more people who will be voting ukip than the poles suggest.
I woldnt predict them getting a coalition but i think youre right about the polls being wrong....i mean who actually does these polls...ive never ever been asked or completed a poll....plus i think they are manipulated to make people think it isnt worthwhile voting a particular party.
Imo its the folk that usually dont vote that'll come outta the woodwork to vote ukip....i mean if theyve never voted before then why would they suddenly vot con or labour now....what has changed is the increase of ukip.......ok while they aren't exactly the holy grail it is much like what happened in scotland whereby normal people could associate themselves with the political process & look what almost appened then.
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I'm voting lanister this year anything to keep a bitch north of the wall
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Why don't you use Proportional representation and get the government the majority of people want :eek
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I am paying higher taxes thanks to the condems , its called the umbrella tax , and extra VAT , the difference between labour and conservative is that under labour my taxes fund the unfortunate , under the conservatives my taxes fund the fortunate , IMO i think labour will try to form a minority government , which will fail , and another election before the year is out .
IMHO this election will all be about nothing really.
People will vote Labour as they are fed up with the cuts in services etc. People will vote UKIP for various reasons but will result in a Labour government in coalition with the SNP who should not be allowed to sit in Westminster as they should not have a vote on things affecting England in the same way that we cannot vote on things affecting Scotland.
The resulting ar$efec will mean higher taxes and unemployment for us all meaning in 5 years time everyone will be voting Conservative again to get Millibland out of office.
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Why don't you use Proportional representation and get the government the majority of people want :eek
If only we could. Wasn't there a ballot about that not too many years ago and it got rejected? Maybe with the rise of the smaller parties people might change their minds and want PR. Mined ewe having seen that UKIP idiot talking about shooting the other candidate and how his father came over here to sponge off the government, there is a case for no PR too.
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PR with one MP would not get you a chair round the table in Number 10.
Shame really as if FUKP win their seat it would be quite funny seeing Al Murray going in and out of #10
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FUKP and Monster Raving Loony party coalition would be fun
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This.......
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That gets my vote :rollin
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so whats the point of exit poles ive never seen one -where are they held,as that is going to influence the results, do they do it like the tv ratings so its only based on 100 people and then extrapolated
Another prediction --Labour will loose - ed will resign - his bro will come back from exile to rule and will win the next one.He knew dam well that labour would not win straight back in and let his bro have the leadership to then fail
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Why don't you use Proportional representation and get the government the majority of people want :eek
Because the Tories and Labour don't want it!
That's why the referendum on the Alternative Vote failed last time around, Labour wouldn't back it and the scummy Tories had their rich mates put out posters like "Vote No to AV or the Baby Dies" (http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/feb/25/no-to-alternative-vote-baby-ad)
Both of these parties know that if we actually had a representative voting system they'd not get into power based on the "Buggins Turn" principle that we get fed up with one of them, so the other lot get in, but then we get fed up with them...
The last thing either of them want is for us to find out that there's a better way of doing things that doesn't involve them!
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The country has spoken !!!
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Interesting predictions... most of which turned out a little far off the mark though I certainly didn't expect the Conservatives to get the lead they have (I did vote for them though... half expecting to be lynched by a foccer mob now...)
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Proportional representation. How would that really work.
650 seats in Westminster. only 66% of voters turned out so 221 seats need to remain vacant.
At the moment, Conservatives have around 37% of the total vote so they can have 158 seats. Now the hard part. 321 (at the moment) MP's squeezing into 158 seats. who decides which muppet gets a seat?
Even more interesting, the Greens got about 4% of the overall votes but only one MP. Using PR they should get 17 seats in Westminster. Who decides which 16 un-elected people get a say in government?
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Nowt's changed. 5 more years, as you where . . . move along now nothing to see :z
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to quote a Beatles line...................."I can't believe the news today"
either a massive stitch up has occurred or the country is full of knob heads (not directed at the true blues on here)
on the basis that's there's more lower paid/less well off than rich people and that the whole of the public sector are being done over by the tories (NHS/teachers/civil servants/emergency workers etc etc) then how the foc did they get in.......I'm not a fan of Milliband but I thought it was a done deal for Labour. A lot of people have been caught stone cold today
as I write, the tories have 323 seats and I think you need 326 otherwise its a coalition of some sort (I suspect all the votes are in now) so if that is the case, then who's going in with Cameron?
I'm worried for the country I really am. to quote another line from another group......."I predict a riot"...............watch this space
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Conservatives are up to 327 seats as of about 1 pm so they have the majority and don't need to enter in to a Coalition
As for proportional representation... it's good in theory, but the reform would be complex I expect. Only two methods I can think of; make each seat worth the same amount of voters (more or less a completely impractical / impossible) or assign a point value to each seat based on the representative amount of voters and tally points to determine leading party instead of the number of seats. Realistically I have no idea on how that would ultimately impact other processes of governing
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Interesting predictions... most of which turned out a little far off the mark
Er not quite,
Another prediction --Labour will loose - ed will resign -
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Most, not all ;) I reserve the right to be a pedantic bastard :D
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Let,s see what the next five years bring
Looking at the coloured map,,England was almost totally blue,,reds have small patches because they seem to huddle into small unionised cities,lots of working (or not,ethnical lkes too) red voters.
All them immigrants,you know,,economic or what you call them,,umm refugees,,do they vote Labour ?
This country is said to have one of the best growing economies in the world,,will that relay onto the workers as the employers feel safer or turn over more work,profit?
With the cuts to public services,,mostly good cuts,,some a bit hard to swallow,,will the countrys borrowing slow or stop,,can the deficit be cut,,,who the fuck borrowed all them BILLIONS,,Labour?
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:lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vczSt2RLuCY&feature=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vczSt2RLuCY&feature=youtu.be)
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will the countrys borrowing slow or stop,,can the deficit be cut,,,who the fuck borrowed all them BILLIONS,,Labour?
http://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2014/09/george-osborne-failure-public-trust.html (http://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2014/09/george-osborne-failure-public-trust.html)(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-XVlAL4Z4e84/VOyVTjLbkII/AAAAAAAAAjs/LPRfl20Jyt4/s1600/George%2BOsborne%2BLabour%2BBorrowing.jpg)
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Haha,, do you believe in internet posters,,,who or what do you believe ?
This politics is in the way you read it,,all politicians seem to make a good answer from any situation presented to them,,no matter how bad.
It seems that Labour voters are sad and now neglected,,abandoned by their not so left politicians,,(old conservatives)
Its odd how a party is voted in by majority and still people have grumps,,,
Why have the Conservatives been voted in for another chance to lead the country? the people did it
Does anyone tell the truth,,or is their as much good as bad but some only focus on the bad :)
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I believe the governments own figures.
http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/uk_national_debt_chart.html (http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/uk_national_debt_chart.html)
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Sit down and shut up
You are being ruled by the Conservatives :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Oh and just like a politician you omitted this from the page you copied the above info,,please read
===The National Debt began a rapid increase in the aftermath of the worldwide financial crisis of 2008. :D
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Came across the percentages of vote a while ago
Conservatives 36.9% of the vote
Labour 30.5% of the vote
UKIP 12.6% of the vote
Lib Dems 7.8% of the vote
SNP 4.7% of the vote
Green 3.8% of the vote
Others 3.7% of the vote
No matter what way you add this up 63% of the population who voted do not want a Conservative government. :eek
In a highly developed, intelligent country like the UK you allow this and call it a fair election. :'( (Well maybe not fair :D )
Proportional Representation ensure only those who the voters want are elected by allowing more voting choices :thumbup
I rest my case :lol
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I voted green , not that my vote made any difference , Bristol South is a safe labour seat , the wife is more pissed off with me that i didn't vote Labour instead of buying a new bike .
I am disappointed for the country that the Tories can carry on with the cuts and increasing the deficit , will they honour there pledge for an in/out referendum on Europe . :evil
On the up side now i am employed rather than through an agency at least i don't have to pay the umbrella tax anymore , and with my increase in salary putting me in a higher tax band i will personally be better off , every cloud eh . ;)
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[Its funny how the Tories will attack the unions for that having a mandate to strike based on that principle , but are more than happy to form a government .uote author=unfazed link=topic=16874.msg194609#msg194609 date=1431110293]
Came across the percentages of vote a while ago
Conservatives 36.9% of the vote
Labour 30.5% of the vote
UKIP 12.6% of the vote
Lib Dems 7.8% of the vote
SNP 4.7% of the vote
Green 3.8% of the vote
Others 3.7% of the vote
No matter what way you add this up 63% of the population who voted do not want a Conservative government. :eek
In a highly developed, intelligent country like the UK you allow this and call it a fair election. :'( (Well maybe not fair :D )
Proportional Representation ensure only those who the voters want are elected by allowing more voting choices :thumbup
I rest my case :lol
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This should have been a stroll in the park for Labour,
But here's VNA's analysis of why they lost it;
1. The Labour party did not back their leader.
Forget all the crap about his geekyness and the press being on his back. Wee Eck didn't exactly have a great public image and he much much more bad press than Ed, but he had his party 100% behind him.
2. They backed the wrong team in Scotland. They put Jim Murphy in charge - ordinary people saw straight through him. A man who stands today for all he fought against for the last ten years, and he thought he could bribe a slice of the electorate with the offer of a pint at the football. Now if they had of put Neil Findlay in charge with Katie Clark as deputy, well it wouldn't be great but they might have hung on to half their Scottish seats.
3. Same problem as above, the Labour party is in turmoil, they need to stand for something, move to the left and stop trying to be the pale blue tory party. Ed was the right man but they wouldn't get behind him.
4. Scotland. The Tory's played the Labour party being in coalition game with the SNP brilliantly. Nicola Sturgeon presented as the most dangerous woman in the land, and so forth. Labour failed to hit back and people bought this nonsense. The media seemed to overlook the fact that the Conservatives would dump into bed with the DUP in a flash - apparently that's OK. The downside to this is, having insulted Scotland in order to win a majority, will Dave now be the man that loses the union?
What a result for the SNP though. Perhaps Labour, Lib Dems and the Tories will share a single mini cab to get to London. Ho ho.
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Here's the difference between what we got and how the people voted...
https://secure.avaaz.org/en/uk_electoral_reform_locb/?tCwjWbb
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To bring all this down to a Fazer level,more local government cuts will certainly result in more potholes on our already glorious roads!
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You have got it all wrong, they will just put up more cameras, paint them grey so you cannot see them and you will all be driving so slow potholes will be kept to make you think you are driving faster. :lol
http://www.perrys.co.uk/car-news/news/nearly-700-drivers-nicked-stealth-cameras-just-two-months/ (http://www.perrys.co.uk/car-news/news/nearly-700-drivers-nicked-stealth-cameras-just-two-months/)
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With the cuts to public services,,mostly good cuts,,
My pension and salary thinks not :'(
who the fuck borrowed all them BILLIONS,,Labour?
Was there any complaints at the time from the public while wastefully taking advantage of 'The good times'
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The debt:
Increased by 75% under Thatcher,
more than doubled under Major,
went up about 60% under Labour pre-crash
then another 50% post-crash to 2010.
Under Cameron it's gone up 79%
and is now £1.36tn.
So using these figures the best period was when Brown was chancellor as during those 10 years the debt only increased by 60% :eek
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And if Sir Fred the Shred is the most incompetent banker in British history, then Gordon Brown must surely go down as the most incompetent chancellor in British history.
No more boom and bust - ho ho ho.
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Who was chancellor when they tied us to the ERM, markets made a fortune
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Electoral PR:
Perhaps the Greater London Assembly is a good example. We get 2 votes, one for a local candidate, who is elected using traditional first-past-the-post for that constituency. There are 14 constituencies and therefore 14 Assembly Members elected that way.
The other vote is for the party and is London-wide. 11 more Assembly Members are allocated this way. They are allocated so that the overall number of seats for each party is in proportion with the London-wide vote.
It's much simpler than I've explained it!!!
In practice the current assembly's *constituency* members are Labour and Conservative, whereas the *London-wide* members are Lab, Con, LibDem and Green. The next election is 2016 and presumably we'll get some UKIP members from the London-wide ballot.
It is easy to understand (when explained properly (http://www.londonelects.org.uk/im-voter/counting-votes)) and it is useful to be able to vote in this way i.e. pragmatically in the constituency vote and from the heart in the London-wide one.
If this were adopted for Westminster elections we would have perhaps 400 constituencies, then the remaining 250 MPs would be allocated using a UK-wide party ballot.
I guess England & Wales would elect Con and Lab constituent MPs, Scotland's ~35 would be SNP and NI would have ~11 seats. But then the UK-wide vote would have allocated 24 to the Greens, 51 to the LibDems and 82 to UKIP.
The calculations are based on turnout so there are no unallocated seats.
The parties would draw up an ordered list of UK-wide candidates. If 24 seats are allocated to a party from the UK ballot then the top 24 names would become MPs.
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The debt:
went up about 60% under Labour pre-crash
So using these figures the best period was when Brown was chancellor as during those 10 years the debt only increased by 60% :eek
ONLY increased by :eek those 10 years were the boom time there should of been zero borrowing
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Who was chancellor when they tied us to the ERM, markets made a fortune
Norman Lamont.
(http://im.ft-static.com/content/images/e0d69856-1194-11df-9195-00144feab49a.img)
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The debt:
went up about 60% under Labour pre-crash
So using these figures the best period was when Brown was chancellor as during those 10 years the debt only increased by 60% :eek
ONLY increased by :eek those 10 years were the boom time there should of been zero borrowing
Aye. It's doubly disappointing because they started off by paying off the debt, but after 2002 it started rising again.
Incidentally he started off saying "No more Tory boom and bust" because in the 80s and 90s there were a few of them (small by present standards). But after a few years he dropped the word "Tory" and had to borrow to keep the economy from contracting and thereby making him wrong :rolleyes
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Why Labour lost:
Ed stood up to the press over phone hacking. They don't forgive you for that sort of thing.
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So also another help for all us busy folks ,,,what about internet voting?
We are told the internet can be safe,we do banking ion it,,so why so slow to come online ?
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So also another help for all us busy folks ,,,what about internet voting?
We are told the internet can be safe,we do banking ion it,
,so why so slow to come online ?
Because the first sentence is a lie
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Why Labour lost:
Ed stood up to the press over phone hacking. They don't forgive you for that sort of thing.
Indeed he did. But that's not why he lost.
Alex Salmond probably has, by far, the worst press of any politician in the UK. Yet, under his leadership his party did the impossible at the last Scottish elections - they won a majority in a coalition parliament.
Alex, like ED, is far from being a natural in terms of personality and engaging with the public.
But what he did enjoy, and what Nicola now enjoys is the full backing of the party.
The Labour party spent the last 5 years bitching about their leader. And yup, the press were happy to help.
And now of course we will see the real Tory party. Prepared to be fucked.
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No I think that is why they lost. When all the undecideds and barely-interesteds went to the polls, what would they have had in mind? The 'fact' that Ed was a loser geek, who couldn't eat a bacon sandwich, who was week and would get overrun by the SNP, that the crash happened because of Labour borrowing, that Ed has a funny nose and a funny voice, etc etc etc etc.
You can get away with a bad press with a small electorate - Ken Livingstone had unrelentingly bad press and still became London Mayor, and as an independent candidate at that!
But on a national level people don't care enough to look past what they read in the paper.
Any leader has people bitching about them. What makes you think that it was any worse under Ed? Did you read it in the papers?