[size=0px]What pads did they use?[/size][/size][size=0px]Is there much wear on the discs?[/size]
[size=0px]It depends what your coming from?My brakes are solid but like grabbing a brick. No feel but plenty of stopping powerWhere as if you try something more modern like a BMW with fancy electronic brakes then it has oodles of feel and is almost like having the brake disc in your handBraided hoses will make a decent difference especially when paired with new pads and a brake service. Thats about the best you can do[/size]
Quote[size=0px]What pads did they use?[/size][/size][size=0px]Is there much wear on the discs?[/size][size=0px]I dont know the pads they used, the service was done before I bought it. Good point about the disk, I'll check that.[/size]Quote[size=0px]It depends what your coming from?My brakes are solid but like grabbing a brick. No feel but plenty of stopping powerWhere as if you try something more modern like a BMW with fancy electronic brakes then it has oodles of feel and is almost like having the brake disc in your handBraided hoses will make a decent difference especially when paired with new pads and a brake service. Thats about the best you can do[/size][size=0px]I've had quite a few bikes, but nothing with modern brakes or electronics. I guess I'm mainly comparing it to the STreet triple R and GSXR 750 I had, both from the same era and no Electronics. I'll look into installing braded hoses. Is switching to the R1 master cylender worth considering?[/size]
A quick check of the discs, pads will rule out the above, and point you towards air in the system. It is possible you've got all of the above, so a good brake service by someone or yourself who knows what their doing, will sort the issue.
Also another try to try and I had to do this on my ABS Bandit GSF 1250 after it was serviced by a shop was pump and cable-tie the brake lever back to the bar for 2 evenings. The brakes on my 1250 are now as sharp as the brakes were on my FZS.
It's defiantly worth a try. It's not normally successful on ABS systems, once the air got into the pump, hopefully it's not
I have had to do it twice on the 1250 and once on the 1200, both which had ABS. Both times I was doing a caliper or MC service that meant draining the system. And each time the system would never fully bleed and I always had a soft lever. - 1200 took 2 days, so Sunday night, monday during the day while at work then again when I got home, and then it was perfect on Tuesday morning.- 1250, last time was for a full caliper service - rode the bike home during the week, pumped & tied back over night (then didn't ride the bike for a days, covid lockdown), then when when I rode it the next time the brakes were solid and sharp with hardly any lever movement (almost like new)The 1250 atm is almost as sharp as the FZS, I replaced all old oem hoses with a braided HeL hose kit when I first bought the bike. that and having all 8 pistons moving massively helps with feel & power.
Much depends on the type of pump and the pluming, some ABS units have bleed nipples on them as trapped air can be a real issue. Glad you got yours sorted the old way mate
So if we say that the GSF1250/1200 has first gen ABS, what gen does the FZ1 have? I ask because the ABS on the bandit is clunky at best, where as the ABS on my cousins Honda SH300 scouter by comparison was very controlled and had a much smoother action.
Ah sorry my question was more towards is the ABS better and less agricultural than the one on the bandit.
Also another thing to try and I had to do this on my ABS Bandit GSF 1250 after it was serviced by a shop was pump and cable-tie the brake lever back to the bar for 2 evenings. The brakes on my 1250 are now as sharp as the brakes were on my FZS.
Quote from: b1k3rdude on 27 June 2020, 10:42:11 pmSo if we say that the GSF1250/1200 has first gen ABS, what gen does the FZ1 have? I ask because the ABS on the bandit is clunky at best, where as the ABS on my cousins Honda SH300 scouter by comparison was very controlled and had a much smoother action.It's not quite as simple as generations mate, the following is based on my experience of working on them only. As general guide the first systems were really pinched off cars, heavy often dual pumps, with printed circuit board electronics, Bosch was the main leader back then, first I worked on was a BMW late 80's. Then came digital version, all much smaller, faster reacting, better pumps, senors etc etc, these just continue to evolve, which gives you various gens/versions within the type and they're still improving. These are now being overtaken by combined ABS/traction control systems, these have versions as well, early systems having separate electronics controlling each, to the norm and current systems that are joint. Traction control is a whole other ball game and measures, speed, lean, throttle and gear position. I've read they're also experimenting with traction control that can also apply the brakes (like in cars) but this is a very different kettle of fish with 2 wheels, I'm sure in time they'll crack it. Most manufactures don't make ABS units/system they buy them in, there's not many (at present) Bosch, Honda, Continental, ZF TRW, ATE and I think there's also a Chinese one but I've not worked on Chinese bikes so I don't know. I'm reading that others are now also thinking of coming into the motorcycle ABS market Hitachi for one.All systems have different design, strengths/weaknesses and then there's of course price. To try and answer your question GSF and FZ1 have the same type non traction control, I don't know if the GSF is the same as FZ1 I've not worked on one. Much is also dependant on where/how it's mounted on the bike, the more 90* bends, connections, ups downs etc the more they become susceptible to micro bubbles. As mentioned some have bleed nipples on the module/pump or they have to be bled in a certain way.I'm sure if you have a Google you can find, more and no doubt point me in the right direction
I going to attempt this. Do i need to loosend the fluid reservior cover first?
No amount of get around's is going to sort it and it will just get worse, get the system bled by someone who knows what they're doing.
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