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« on: 11 June 2016, 01:50:15 pm »
GOT THIS OFF FACEBOOK.....








Pete Giles[/b]
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OK,.. here's a short list of financial and industrial FUBARs from the EU then,.. (it was longer, much longer, but really tough reading)
Cadbury moved production of several brands to a factory in Poland 2011 with EU grant. Despite promising the workforce they would not.
Ford Transit moved to Turkey 2013 with EU grant.
Jaguar Land Rover has recently agreed to build a new plant in Slovakia with EU grant, owned by Tata, the same company who have trashed our steel works and emptied the workers pension funds. They have not yet said what UK plants will lose out.
Peugeot closed its Ryton (was Rootes Group) plant and moved production to Slovakia with EU grant. That move was not wanted by Peugeot, it was forced on them by EU blundering and cost then dearly.
British Army's new Ajax fighting vehicles to be built in Spain using Swedish steel at the request of the EU to support jobs in Spain with EU grant, rather than Wales. (Just assembly)
Dyson gone to Malaysia, with an EU loan. (I didn't believe this till I checked Financial Times)
Crown Closures, Bournemouth (Was METAL BOX), gone to Poland with EU grant, once employed 1,200.
M&S manufacturing gone to far east with EU loan.
Hornby models gone. In fact all toys and models now gone from UK along with the patents all with with EU grants.
Gillette gone to eastern Europe with EU grant.
Texas Instruments Greenock gone to Germany with EU grant.
Indesit at Bodelwyddan Wales gone with EU grant.
Sekisui Alveo said production at its Merthyr Tydfil Industrial Park foam plant will relocate production to Roermond in the Netherlands, with EU funding.
Hoover Merthyr factory moved out of UK to Czech Republic and the Far East by Italian company Candy with EU backing.
ICI integration into Holland’s AkzoNobel with EU bank loan and within days of the merger, several factories in the UK, were closed, eliminating 3,500 jobs
Boots sold to Italians Stefano Pessina who have based their HQ in Switzerland to avoid tax to the tune of £80 million a year, using an EU loan for the purchase. (Now sold on again)
JDS Uniphase run by two Dutch men, bought up companies in the UK with £20 million in EU 'regeneration' grants, created a pollution nightmare and just closed it all down leaving 1,200 out of work and an environmental clean-up paid for by the UK tax-payer. They also raided the pension fund and drained it dry. (Joint CEOs charged with financial trading fraud, insider trading)
UK airports are owned by a Spanish company.
Scottish Power is owned by a Spanish company.
Most London buses are run by Spanish and German companies.
The Hinkley Point C nuclear power station to be built by French company EDF, part owned by the French government, using cheap Chinese steel that has catastrophically failed in other nuclear installations. Now EDF say the costs will be double or more and it will be very late even if it does come online.
Swindon was once our producer of rail locomotives and rolling stock. Not any more, it's Bombardier in Derby and due to their losses in the aviation market, that could see the end of the British railways manufacturing altogether even though Bombardier had EU grants to keep Derby going which they diverted to their loss-making aviation side in Canada. New trains contract awarded to German company.
39% of British invention patents have been passed to foreign companies, many of them in the EU
The Mini cars that Cameron stood in front of as an example of British engineering, are built by BMW mostly in Holland and Austria and those parts assembled in the UK. His campaign bus was made in Germany even though we have Plaxton, Optare, Bluebird, Dennis etc., in the UK. The bicycle for the Greens was made in the far east, not by Raleigh UK but then they are probably going to move to the Netherlands too as they have said recently.
Anyone who thinks the EU is good for British industry or any other business simply hasn't paid attention to what has been systematically asset-stripped from the UK. Name me one major technology company still running in the UK, I used to contract out to many, then the work just dried up as they were sold off to companies from France, Germany, Holland, Belgium, etc., and now we don't even teach electronic technology for technicians any more, due to EU regulations.
Yes some companies are in the UK with EU funding, but have you noticed that many, like Tata, are planning to shift the production away again, as soon as they will not have to pay a penalty to the EU for doing so. Hundreds already did, just using British skills to develop products and then opt for lower labour costs, often with a serious loss in quality too like Bosch alternators. Many employ staff only on a part-time basis, minimum wage and even those sent by DWP to work for nothing, those get just their benefits.
I haven't detailed our non-existent fishing industry the EU paid to destroy, nor the farmers being paid NOT to produce food they could sell for more than they get paid to do nothing, don't even go there.
I haven't mentioned what it costs us to be asset-stripped like this, nor have I mentioned immigration, nor the risk to our security if control of our armed forces is passed to Brussels or Germany.
The way companies abuse the EU commercial assistance system is not doing the EU, Britain or any other country any favours. It has massive loopholes that are simply exploited and no-one in Brussels has the wit nor sense to change it. Change in the EU is slow at best and in most cases, next to impossible due to the intense lobbying by companies with a vested interest in abusing this very broken system. I know Margaret Thatcher was not many people's favourite person, but she did get a number of measures agreed that have now been completely eroded and sadly, by her own party. Mr Junker has said that any more 'special status' for Britain will be difficult and will face legal challenges. In other words, we will not get most of them, if any.
If the EU may break up in the event of Britain voting to leave as suggested by both leaders of the Bundesbank and European Central Bank, then in all honesty, we have as a nation been propping up a failed system for too long, It will probably fail anyway, taking anyone still 'in' with it. Thus, this vote you have is not exactly 'remain' or 'leave', it is more an issue of jumping off the sinking ship while we have a chance to swim ashore now, or waiting till it is in really deep water and going down with it.
Find something that's gone the other way, I've looked and I just can't. If you think the EU is a good idea,
1/ You haven't read the party manifesto of The European Peoples' Party.
2/ You haven't had to deal with EU petty bureaucracy tearing your business down.
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« Reply #1 on: 11 June 2016, 03:46:58 pm »
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« Reply #2 on: 11 June 2016, 06:47:59 pm »
We don't make anything in this country anymore...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vmcmqTAu6b8


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« Reply #3 on: 12 June 2016, 09:35:57 am »
Interesting read thanks mate

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« Reply #4 on: 12 June 2016, 06:35:34 pm »
Dyson gone to Malaysia, with an EU loan.

You mean Dyson do not mind to spend EU money on new plant yet he is suporting leave campaign  :moon
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« Reply #5 on: 12 June 2016, 09:24:38 pm »
Oh it's on Facebook so it must be true.....


You see most of these companies have moved some of their manufacturing to other (EU or non-EU) countries because the labour is cheaper. With modern technology you can build and run a factory anywhere in the world. It's called globalisation, nothing to do with the EU.


And companies over here are foreign owned because this government puts everything out to tender, and perhaps the most attractive bidders are not UK owned.


What you can bet on, is if we leave the EU, we also lose foreign investment here. Ford, BMW, Honda, Toyota, Nissan, even Triumph. All will be gone to other EU countries.

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« Reply #6 on: 12 June 2016, 09:30:39 pm »
Oh it's on Facebook so it must be true.....

You see most of these companies have moved some of their manufacturing to other (EU or non-EU) countries because the labour is cheaper. With modern technology you can build and run a factory anywhere in the world. It's called globalisation, nothing to do with the EU.

And companies over here are foreign owned because this government puts everything out to tender, and perhaps the most attractive bidders are not UK owned.

What you can bet on, is if we leave the EU, we also lose foreign investment here. Ford, BMW, Honda, Toyota, Nissan, even Triumph. All will be gone to other EU countries.

Speculation Mtread, just speculation......... But everything else by the other side is also just speculation - there are no CERTAINTIES on either side.

Either way its a gamble - you make your choice and put your X where you want to.

Personally, I don't believe either side.........but know which way I'll be voting.
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« Reply #7 on: 12 June 2016, 09:42:29 pm »
Well my first two bits are already true, but yes the last bit is what might happen.


However, given that vehicles manufactured in the UK are currently Customs tariff free when sold within the EU, but they might not be if we leave (depending on what deal we may or may not get), that isn't speculation.


I know where my X is going too.

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« Reply #8 on: 13 June 2016, 12:47:10 am »


Personally, I don't believe either side.........but know which way I'll be voting.
So which way is that then, think I know which way mtread is - which is out.
I am out by the way.
Europe hate us, they want our money,yet  dont back us in our fights, they do their own thing regardless of the rules they themselves set, and yet clamp down on us if we want to do our own thing. Like not give the vote to prisoners, one tiny little example so foc em we are out, they talk nice one day and threaten us the next. Europe (being France and Germany) are scared that if we leave then others will want to follow and their whole EU political superstate dreams will collapse.
Big business want us to stay because they don't like change and the unknown, but one week in to an out vote that will be the new known and they wont want change from that either.
Yes we are and island with and island mentality which has served us well enough over the years, it has kept us out of the Euro which is failing, the British public know best for the British public, but in or out - finally we get a say in a vote where our x in a box really does count for once.             
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« Reply #9 on: 13 June 2016, 10:39:28 am »
I'm not really that fussed over the economics of the situation of being in/out of the EU. The only reason I'm voting out is because the EU is run by appointed individuals rather than elected ones. If that means we lose out financially, well so be it! I'd rather hate the guy that was voted in, knowing I have a chance to vote him out in a few years time, instead of being dictated to by a guy I had no say in being where he is.

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« Reply #10 on: 13 June 2016, 11:50:23 am »
I'm not really that fussed over the economics of the situation of being in/out of the EU. The only reason I'm voting out is because the EU is run by appointed individuals rather than elected ones. If that means we lose out financially, well so be it! I'd rather hate the guy that was voted in, knowing I have a chance to vote him out in a few years time, instead of being dictated to by a guy I had no say in being where he is.
Same here , I would rather be governed by an elected  asshole   than an unelected asshole .

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« Reply #11 on: 14 June 2016, 01:46:28 am »
I'm not really that fussed over the economics of the situation of being in/out of the EU. The only reason I'm voting out is because the EU is run by appointed individuals rather than elected ones.

What, you mean like the Chancellor, Education Secretary, Home Secretary and every other Ministerial post which *YOU* do not get a say in?

And how many members of the House of Lords did you vote for..?


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« Reply #12 on: 14 June 2016, 11:52:22 am »
Graham - ypu have missed the bit where most agree, some don't, the law gets passed anyway and only some countries (like the UK) make it an actual law where others, who agreed it in the first place (France/Germany etc) do not take it on to their statute books.
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« Reply #13 on: 14 June 2016, 05:28:50 pm »
Graham - ypu have missed the bit where most agree, some don't, the law gets passed anyway and only some countries (like the UK) make it an actual law where others, who agreed it in the first place (France/Germany etc) do not take it on to their statute books.

That's a fault with the UK, not Europe and is an argument that we could still stay In and *NOT* be told what to do by the EU!

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« Reply #14 on: 14 June 2016, 05:51:59 pm »
Graham - ypu have missed the bit where most agree, some don't, the law gets passed anyway and only some countries (like the UK) make it an actual law where others, who agreed it in the first place (France/Germany etc) do not take it on to their statute books.

That's a fault with the UK, not Europe and is an argument that we could still stay In and *NOT* be told what to do by the EU!
That could be part of the problem in that we have had successive governments of all colours that are eurofiles and the euro sceptics have had to keep their heads down, until now they can finally "come out" and if it is an out vote then a lot of the cabinet politicians who are for in - will also be out and we then end up with a far more euro sceptic cabinet, but the irony is that if we are out then we wouldn't be needing a cabinet that would be willing to stand up to Europe any more.
What we now need is a sort of cash-in like the betting shops do, with the vote being so close we could stop everything and now go back to Brussels with our demands AND this time have them met in full.
Europe in their arrogance gave Camoron nothing thinking we would vote to stay anyway and now the EU elite are starting to panic.       
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« Reply #15 on: 14 June 2016, 07:43:35 pm »
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Europe in their arrogance gave Camoron nothing thinking we would vote to stay anyway and now the EU elite are starting to panic.       

  It is still worth remembering that this is all about the Tory party.  The only reason we are having a referendum is because DC put it in the Tory manifesto to unite his divided party and win the last general election.

That was the easy bit, now he has to win the referendum.  But DC and the Tory party are gambling our future on the back of their own petty squabbling. 

Whatever happens we have a Tory party in meltdown, that’s a government in meltdown.  Meanwhile the Labour elite still can’t accept the will of the membership and get behind Mr Corbyn.

But the EU elite panicking.  Worried, yes, but panicking, probably not.

What it does mean, I think, and this is where the leave camp are bull shitting, is that trade and all the positives of the single market will continue unchanged.  They won’t.   The EU isn’t going to sit back and watch member state after member state leave, so the UK is going to face years of difficult negotiations and trade restrictions if it leaves.  There is no way this will be an easy transition.  It will hurt, it will hit our currency, it will hit you in the pocket and it will effect our pensions.  But Boris, Gove and Farage are rich men who won’t be effected and don’t give a fuck about ordinary people.

What we will be walking away from at the end of the day is the biggest open trade area in the world.  And the biggest most powerful trading negotiator in the world, whilst at the same time having to abide by it’s rules and regulations but without any influence whatsoever.

In the meantime, the Tories will dismantle the EU working time directive and numerous other pieces of employment legislation at will so they can have a free hand in fucking it into the working man once more - well that is if they can pull themselves together and hang onto power after a leave vote.

On top of that, pretty much every poll so far has showed Scotland and NI voting decisively to remain in.  If that is the case, even getting out will be a long slow process and those respective parliaments may refuse to cooperate.  And yes it may in turn lead to the end of Great Britain as we know it today.

I want to stay in the EU.  It offers a buffer against the daft English electorate that keep repeatedly voting Tory.  Just as the Scottish Parliament acts as a buffer against Westminster so does the EU.  And given the opportunity to vote in another Scottish Independence I’ll vote again to leave the UK and join the EU.
 
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« Reply #16 on: 14 June 2016, 08:17:00 pm »
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Europe in their arrogance gave Camoron nothing thinking we would vote to stay anyway and now the EU elite are starting to panic.       

I want to stay in the EU.  It offers a buffer against the daft English electorate that keep repeatedly voting Tory.  Just as the Scottish Parliament acts as a buffer against Westminster so does the EU.  And given the opportunity to vote in another Scottish Independence I’ll vote again to leave the UK and join the EU.
 
Everything always has to come around to the Scottish independence with you doesn't it  :pokefun
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« Reply #17 on: 14 June 2016, 11:36:57 pm »
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Everything always has to come around to the Scottish independence with you doesn't it



But that's the inevitable consequence. The total vote is the one that counts, but the results will also be collected regionally.  If Scotland (and perhaps even London) gives a result very different to the total, why should they stay within the UK and be dragged out of the EU?


If it turns out to be Brexit, I'm moving to Scotland. The roads are better anyway.


On a pedantic note, NI isn't in Great Britain, it's in 'The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland'. Perhaps the correct term is UKxit (preceded with an 'F')
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« Reply #18 on: 15 June 2016, 09:19:41 pm »
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Everything always has to come around to the Scottish independence with you doesn't it  :pokefun


Darn it!  Not taking my bait then?

But seriously I get the feeling that people are blaming the EU for all their/our ills, when frankly it's not really the EU that is to blame.  It's our governments.  Coming out of the EU won't make things any better, only even worse.

You can also bet that in or out the EU will reform significantly over the next few years, that is if the EU wants to survive.  The EU is in danger of collaspsing and it knows it. 

I am dreading the 23rd, or rther waking up on the 24th to find out we have voted out.  It's like shooting yourself in the foot.

And bait aside, yup honestly, people in Scotland will be seriously pissed if we get dragged out by England against our will.

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« Reply #19 on: 15 June 2016, 09:52:44 pm »

You can also bet that in or out the EU will reform significantly over the next few years, that is if the EU wants to survive.  The EU is in danger of collaspsing and it knows it. 

We can only hope that if it is a stay vote that the shock of almost leaving will of given the EU a good enough kick up the arse to make some significant changes.
I get the impression from the rest of europe that they just dont like us much, where are all the leaders saying please UK dont leave we value your input you are a wonderful nation and enrich the whole of the eu with your sense of right and your kindness and loving values. They are missing a trick there and instead of threatening saying we wont give you trade deals they could be wooing us.     
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« Reply #20 on: 15 June 2016, 09:53:23 pm »

You can also bet that in or out the EU will reform significantly over the next few years, that is if the EU wants to survive.  The EU is in danger of collaspsing and it knows it. 

We can only hope that if it is a stay vote that the shock of almost leaving will of given the EU a good enough kick up the arse to make some significant changes.
I get the impression from the rest of europe that they just dont like us much, where are all the leaders saying please UK dont leave we value your input you are a wonderful nation and enrich the whole of the eu with your sense of right and your kindness and loving values. They are missing a trick there and instead of threatening saying we wont give you trade deals they could be wooing us to stay.     
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« Reply #21 on: 15 June 2016, 10:35:12 pm »
meanwhile in Wales  :rollin

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« Reply #22 on: 15 June 2016, 10:48:39 pm »
meanwhile in Wales  :rollin



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« Reply #23 on: 15 June 2016, 11:36:16 pm »
The way the polls are reading, whichever way the vote goes it looks like 51% of the population are going to be smug and 49% are going to be pissed off. It will then fester for some considerable time while everybody carries on arguing about it. 

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« Reply #24 on: 15 June 2016, 11:47:08 pm »
meanwhile in Wales  :rollin




GENIUS POST!!!! Hahahahahaa brilliant. Flippin needed that hehe...the polls are aswaying......got question time on now....
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