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General => General => Topic started by: Andy Clap on 02 September 2017, 05:27:51 pm
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Anybody know what colour Derbyshire speed camera vans are?
Think I saw one on a bridge overlooking the A6 duel carriageway north of Buxton.
Are they clearly marked? Can they get you off bridges?
Questions questions!! :)
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Don't know about the colours but I do know for a fact that they can get you from a bridge.
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Hi Andy, they've got marked and unmarked versions the unmarked is plain white with a camera logo front and side, the marked ones are a bit more obvious with red and yellow stripe decals.
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Anybody know what colour Derbyshire speed camera vans are?
Think I saw one on a bridge overlooking the A6 duel carriageway north of Buxton.
Are they clearly marked? Can they get you off bridges?
Questions questions!! :)
Sounds like Andy has a ticket on the way. I should not judge as think I may have got one in my van coming into Aberearon in Wales on Thursday, 35 or 6 in a 30 limit. Hope the camera was not operating :'(
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Thanks for the replies :thumbup
My mate got it on headcam; he thinks No, I still think Maybe!! We'll see...
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.....plus don't believe the 'myth' if you don't receive the Penalty within 14 or 28 days then its void. :)
These Vans should be clearly marked as Speed Camera vans with the fluorescent colours (just like static cameras are brightly coloured, like Gatso).
Bit sneaky if they "go undercover"... however nothing is surprising these days (with all the taxes and other ways we get stung, running motor vehicle(s) on UK roads).
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I thought that was true if you've not had the 'notice of intended prosecution' within a certain time (14days?) you've got away with it. (unless it's a rental or lease vehicle.)
Also if they fail to prosecute you within 6months you've also gotten away from it.
Although it's been a long since I had any tickets (I did get up to 11 points), I've avoided 2 tickets. Due to the length of time they took to catch up with me. :-)
(change addresses, company/lease company giving my wrong address, etc)
Fortunately I'm now cleaned and reformed and don't do the 70k a year that I used to. I've not been 'had' for over 6yrs. :-)
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Do people still buy Speed Camera Detectors? :)
I was impressed with how they actively detected radar/laser... however these days so many more Cameras installed no longer use these "old" technologies.
Although alot of these detectors also utilise GPS, plus a downloadable camera database, so they "know" the places of the cameras, and alert you (with no active detection).
Bit like buying a UHF Radio to listen (eavesdrop) on various frequencies, when most organisations have now switched to Digital ! :D
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ref your last post mate, my lad does a lot of driving and has 6pts, is there anything on the market you know of that will give him a heads up to the camera's/vans?
needs his licence for his job (I hear you all already :lol) but he's under time pressures to get there and get the job done. Company don't give a shit either way and just expect the work done at whatever cost
cheers
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ref your last post mate, my lad does a lot of driving and has 6pts, is there anything on the market you know of that will give him a heads up to the camera's/vans?
needs his licence for his job (I hear you all already :lol) but he's under time pressures to get there and get the job done. Company don't give a shit either way and just expect the work done at whatever cost
cheers
Active detection, Valentine One is the leading detector, cant get much better (premium pricetag, does it all).
Snooper offer mid-range devices. As a lot of camera types cant be actively detected (ANPR / average speed cameras). A device that offers regular access (download) of a camera (gps) database, offers decent all round protection.
There's a handful of Map Apps for the smartphones too, that offer access to a speed camera (gps) database. Might be worth looking into, as a one stop solution, although there'll be no active detection.
If you get zapped by a laser camera (ie a Police handheld unit), you have less than a second to react to your speed - by which point they'd already have your speed recorded anyway.
The BEST way to avoid getting caught is not to speed in the first place... ;)
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I run a snooper in my Merc it works but gives you false warning sometime, for example automatic doors on shops or petrol station set it off. It does not recognise speed average cameras but they don't get you straight away like a Gatso or Trevelio. Road works = averaging cameras, foccing great big yellow cameras on yellow poles = averaging cameras it is not rocket science. I update my Snooper on line once a month and it seems to work fine. Nothing is fool proof though the only guaranteed way of not getting a ticket is .....................
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I run a snooper in my merc it works but gives you false warning sometime, for example automatic doors on shops or petrol station set it off. It does not recognise speed avarage camers but they dont get you straight away like a gatso or treveio. Road works = averaging camers, foccing great big yellow cameras on yellow poles = avaraging camers it is not rocket science. I update my Snoopwr on line once a month and it seems to work fine. Nothing is fool proof though the pnly gauranteed way of not getting a ticket is .....................
Running false plates?
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ref your last post mate, my lad does a lot of driving and has 6pts, is there anything on the market you know of that will give him a heads up to the camera's/vans?
needs his licence for his job (I hear you all already :lol) but he's under time pressures to get there and get the job done. Company don't give a shit either way and just expect the work done at whatever cost
cheers
Tell his company to fec off and stick to the speed limits whilst on company time. They wont pay the fine or for a chauffer for him when he loses his licence.
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I run a snooper in my merc it works but gives you false warning sometime, for example automatic doors on shops or petrol station set it off. It does not recognise speed avarage camers but they dont get you straight away like a gatso or treveio. Road works = averaging camers, foccing great big yellow cameras on yellow poles = avaraging camers it is not rocket science. I update my Snoopwr on line once a month and it seems to work fine. Nothing is fool proof though the pnly gauranteed way of not getting a ticket is .....................
Running false plates?
Dudeofrude's plate Registration = EK02 FSB
:rollin :'( :lol
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I run a snooper in my merc it works but gives you false warning sometime, for example automatic doors on shops or petrol station set it off. It does not recognise speed avarage camers but they dont get you straight away like a gatso or treveio. Road works = averaging camers, foccing great big yellow cameras on yellow poles = avaraging camers it is not rocket science. I update my Snoopwr on line once a month and it seems to work fine. Nothing is fool proof though the pnly gauranteed way of not getting a ticket is .....................
Running false plates?
Dudeofrude's plate Registration = EK02 FSB
:rollin :'( :lol
Nah nah nah don't be silly. If your gonna run fake plates then use foreign ones cause the police won't even bother haha
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The trouble is I can not speak French
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Or a number plate flipper about 125 quid, cheaper than penalty points and a fine.
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thanks lads, we all know to keep to the limit but we don't all the time and its a chance we take when we have a blast but work constraints are different. BB I hear what you're saying but if the job don't get done then they get rid and bring people in who will get the job done, no matter what. I'm trying to give me lad a half chance by getting him some detection as I know he'll continue to break the limit at times when behind schedule
does that first one mentioned....Valentine one....pick up EVERY detector/speed trap/mobile speed gun/fixed camera then?
if you know for sure, let me know as I may invest......his birthday soon and he doesn't know what he wants so I may surprise him
cheers boys
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Speeding in a van.. Does it really get you there that much quicker? I live in the South East / London. You can drive around like your hair is on fire or drive chilled out and it doesn't really make much difference it just moves you a few cars down the road.
I used to drive like a nutter, as fast as was safely possible everywhere, due to work pressure. Until I found myself stood in Wakefield magistrate court with no legal support from my company (cost me £400 for a brief and £400 in fines) and instructions that if I got a ban my boss would fire me.
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.....plus don't believe the 'myth' if you don't receive the Penalty within 14 or 28 days then its void. :)
So how long do I have to wait until I can uncross my fingers
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Everywhere on the net says the registered owner has to receive a notice of intended prosecution within 14days, perhaps the law has changed and f4celess can enlighten us. :-)
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Maddog - Tomtom sat navs with the camera updates notify you of known camera locations. Better to slow down when there might be a camera there (even the temporary sites that camera vans use) than push on waiting for a detector to tell you its active. many times the detectors don't go off until you have already been pinged. On busy roads they tend to pick up scatter form other cars but on a quitter road yours may be the only one targeted by the operator and then its too late.
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Everywhere on the net says the registered owner has to receive a notice of intended prosecution within 14days, perhaps the law has changed and f4celess can enlighten us. :-)
Every car forum I've previously been a member of, people were always posting "think I got caught by a camera" messages... then they got a penalty notice 4 to 6 weeks later... which was still valid. I think its the forums that spread the 14 day rumour in the first place (also police officers tend to tell you, you have 14 days to take your Docs to a station blah blah).
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BB - my lads issue is that he's all over the NW from Crewe in the South to up past Carlisle in the North, Colne to the East and Workington to the West....so with that many roads and multiple opportunities for floating scam vans, he'll never get to know the roads that well. Ultimately, the only way is to keep to the limits, he's not a nutter doing daft speeds but when he's been caught its more like 35 in a 30......60 in a 50
I say van, its a small Berlingo size van not a Tranny
hence, if I can get a detector that works for most cameras I will be giving him a fighting chance. I'd rather he kept to the limit but I'm being realistic
Our fire engine has a tom-tom you mentioned and it pings near fixed cameras, out of interest does anyone on here have a Citroen DS 3?
I had a sat nav built in to the dash when we bought the car but I cannot get it to recognise cameras and give me that heads up. I don't know what model satnav it is and the manual doesn't seem to cover it
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BB - my lads issue is that he's all over the NW from Crewe in the South to up past Carlisle in the North, Colne to the East and Workington to the West....so with that many roads and multiple opportunities for floating scam vans, he'll never get to know the roads that well. Ultimately, the only way is to keep to the limits, he's not a nutter doing daft speeds but when he's been caught its more like 35 in a 30......60 in a 50
I say van, its a small Berlingo size van not a Tranny
hence, if I can get a detector that works for most cameras I will be giving him a fighting chance. I'd rather he kept to the limit but I'm being realistic
Our fire engine has a tom-tom you mentioned and it pings near fixed cameras, out of interest does anyone on here have a Citroen DS 3?
I had a sat nav built in to the dash when we bought the car but I cannot get it to recognise cameras and give me that heads up. I don't know what model satnav it is and the manual doesn't seem to cover it
A mate of mine has brought a 2nd hand car with bulit in satnav but not a ds but there is a SD card slot that is used to update the nav, mabe that ?
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to update mine, I have to go to Citroen online and pay, which I'll do shortly once all the new roadworks are completed up our end. You download the update to a USB stick then stick that in the car and it updates the satnav according to the dealer but its never pinged for cameras since day one so I'm at a loss/disappointed as they sold it as a good model. Citroen garage closed and dealership moved and took over by a Peugeot garage (both owned by Citroen BTW) but given recent events over the tyre, I won't be asking them for anything
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to update mine, I have to go to Citroen online and pay, which I'll do shortly once all the new roadworks are completed up our end. You download the update to a USB stick then stick that in the car and it updates the satnav according to the dealer but its never pinged for cameras since day one so I'm at a loss/disappointed as they sold it as a good model. Citroen garage closed and dealership moved and took over by a Peugeot garage (both owned by Citroen BTW) but given recent events over the tyre, I won't be asking them for anything
You can get 3rd party ones off ebay which is what the 2nd hand car garage did
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The most recent thing I can find on the web says they have to inform the registered owner within 14days still, else you can contest it.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/advice/the-truth-about-speeding-fines/ (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/advice/the-truth-about-speeding-fines/)
Anyway, I'm weirdly arging for the sake of it.. it's good to know the loopholes.
I managed to avoid a fine after getting clocked by a mobile van on the M4 doing 84 in a 70..
My company responded to them in good time and told them my [the driver] details and sent me an email saying they had done this.
I sent my company an email (and kept a copy) pointing out they had told them my old address.
They told me to leave this with them and they would rectify this...
I also sent my correct details to them with their reference number and all the information they requested...
Nothing...
5months later a policeman calls my company, trying to contact me..
I call him back explain, with evidence what had happened and that I had done everything in my power to rectify this. I also layed it on that I had found all of this, the threat to my license and job very stressfull and I just wanted them to take the necessary action.. Also if they had some discretion I would appreciate it, and perhaps as a first offender I might benefit from a speed awareness course...
Then I heard nothing.. It had obviously gone beyond the 6month period so they could not prosecute me. No action was taken, I heard nothing and forgot all about it...
so my only loophole advice would be to delay the time between getting caught and the final prosecution, perhaps by being as compliant as possible, but by moving addresses a few times during their process. ;-)
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so with that many roads and multiple opportunities for floating scam vans, he'll never get to know the roads that well. Ultimately, the only way is to keep to the limits, he's not a nutter doing daft speeds but when he's been caught its more like 35 in a 30......60 in a 50
I say van, its a small Berlingo size van not a Tranny
hence, if I can get a detector that works for most cameras I will be giving him a fighting chance. I'd rather he kept to the limit but I'm being realistic
Forget detectors - They are not worth it. The Tomtom solution pings for known camera sites used by the vans too. Just keep it updated.
That said, he is driving a Berlingo. That is a VAN and not a car based van so is bound by the speed limits for vans and not cars - make sure he knows this. This means 50 in NSL's not 60. 60 on dual carriageways, not 70 etc etc.
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He good thing about the Tom Toms is that they get their camera data from users as well as official maps. There is an button in the corner of the screen that yiu can press when you see a camera so if enough people report a camera location it starta to appear on the map.
Works great near me when it goes off in the usual camera van places but is damn annoying while driving down the m1, m25 or any other variable limit road as it pings for every single overhead camera where they are on or not haha
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BB, you sure about that van thing? I only ask coz we actually have berlingo's in work and there's never been a directive about speed and they're shit hot on that. They've had trackers fitted that record speeds and the only thing they seem arsed about is people doing over 70
e.g....on X occasions we have noted that the speed limit of 70 has been broken with X at 80mph
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Maddog - Car based vans (Fiesta/Corsa/Astra etc) are subject to car speed limits. All other vans (like the Berlingo that was a van before it was a car) are subject to van speed limits.
The thing that used to irritate me a little when I had my transit was I was limited to 60mph (even if I was empty) on the dual carriageways whilst my dad in his transit based camper van could do 70 with all the loose knives behind him.
Details are here and vans come under the goods vehicle section
https://www.gov.uk/speed-limits (https://www.gov.uk/speed-limits)
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thanks mate, wasn't doubting your knowledge, just really surprised our fleet manager hasn't brought it up given they'll bounce us for anything if they can. He's ex mil so I thought he ran a tight ship :rolleyes