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Has anyone else experienced this?
« on: 01 November 2016, 05:16:48 pm »
Went over to my friends house on Sunday, had a brew, got back on the bike and it wouldn't start.
Everything worked bar the starting system
Managed to bump start it and rode home without a problem


Tried several times starting it again but with no luck
You couldn't even here the solenoid click
And I've never experienced an electrical fault or starter fault before and I've had the bike from new


I have another 600 Fazer, so I swapped:
Starter button
Starter relay
Starter cut out relay
Battery
On to the other bike and they all worked and the bike started and ran fine.


Checked the wiring with a multi meter and it seemed ok
put the original, Starter button, [/size]Starter relay, [/size]Starter cut out relay, [/size]Battery back on the bike.
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Put all the connector blocks backed together, and the damn thing started no problem.


So I'm guessing I've got an intermittent electrical fault on the stater circuit somewhere.


Has anyone else experienced anything similar, and if so did you find out what caused it? 


The bikes a 2001 Fazer and its done 86,000 miles










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Re: Has anyone else experienced this?
« Reply #1 on: 01 November 2016, 05:35:26 pm »
Could be the starter motor itself. The carbon brushes have to make physical contact with the rotor so they wear down over time. If it refuses to start again try giving the starter motor a few taps with a hammer while you press the starter button and if it starts to turn over then you know it's the motor that's the problem or just take the motor out and have a look at the brushes.

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Re: Has anyone else experienced this?
« Reply #2 on: 01 November 2016, 05:40:06 pm »
Dudeness, thanks for the reply


I don't think it's the starter because the solenoid didn't click and the oil and fuel sensor lights didn't come on when I pressed the starter button.


I think pressing the starter button earths the oil and fuel sensor lights and causes them to come on until you release the starter button and then they're only earthed when you've not enough fuel or oil.

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Re: Has anyone else experienced this?
« Reply #3 on: 01 November 2016, 05:56:34 pm »
Ok that might point to the starter button then. Maybe a bit of corrosion or something in it. Is it starting ok now? I'd try hooking up a multimeter to the wire going to the starter and see if you've got 12V at the motor when you hit the button. You could also short the starter solenoid and see if the motor spins if it does then the starter is probably fine and it's something on the low current side. The basics like fuses and the battery would be worth checking too

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Re: Has anyone else experienced this?
« Reply #4 on: 01 November 2016, 08:01:20 pm »
Side stand switch?
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Re: Has anyone else experienced this?
« Reply #5 on: 03 November 2016, 08:14:18 am »
Poor contacts on the kill switch caused a similar issue on mine..
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Re: Has anyone else experienced this?
« Reply #6 on: 03 November 2016, 02:11:23 pm »
Problems with sidestand cutout switch or kill switch shouldn't stop the low fuel and low oil lights coming on.  More likely to be dirty starter button contacts or broken wire to starter button.

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Re: Has anyone else experienced this?
« Reply #7 on: 03 November 2016, 02:33:17 pm »
Problems with sidestand cutout switch or kill switch shouldn't stop the low fuel and low oil lights coming on.  More likely to be dirty starter button contacts or broken wire to starter button.


I only read the first post..  :b
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Re: Has anyone else experienced this?
« Reply #8 on: 09 November 2016, 12:29:47 pm »
The bikes continued doing the same thing..... not starting.


In any event if it's any help to someone else this is what I think it is .


Either an intermittent, possibly temperature related fault in the starter cut off relay.
Or a break or bad connection in the wiring loom somewhere between the solenoid (starter relay) and the brown plug in the wiring junction box


To fix it (it's worked so far) connect the blue and white wire from the solenoid (starter relay) to the blue and white wire in the brown plug in the wiring junction box under the tank.






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Re: Has anyone else experienced this?
« Reply #9 on: 09 November 2016, 05:42:27 pm »
At least you know starter motor and relay are working fine.  Bad connection or broken wire somewhere on the route that wire takes

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Re: Has anyone else experienced this?
« Reply #10 on: 09 November 2016, 10:39:03 pm »

To fix it (it's worked so far) connect the blue and white wire from the solenoid (starter relay) to the blue and white wire in the brown plug in the wiring junction box under the tank.

What you have done with the above is bypass the starter cut out circuit relay contacts and since it works then, this effectively rules out the starter button and the kill switch as being the problem..

Is the starter cut relay swapped exactly the same as the one on the bike,
Foxeye models use a different starter relay and are not interchangeable.

Check the whitish alarm bypass loop plugs under the seat for corrosion, as one of these plugs/sockets take out the starter circuit.


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Re: Has anyone else experienced this?
« Reply #11 on: 10 November 2016, 09:58:41 am »
To Unfazed


Took the seat off and there are two white plugs in the back part of seat well close to what I assume is the CDI box they both have one black wire looping in and out, are these the ones you mean?


Yes the other bike I tried the starter cut off relay on is identical same model same year, it's even the same colour scheme.
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Re: Has anyone else experienced this?
« Reply #12 on: 10 November 2016, 10:53:12 am »
To Unfazed


Checked the two white plugs under the seat with the black wire looping in and out.


One of them was not properly connected, it looked like it was but  the little plastic clip was not clipped behind the bit where it was supposed to be.


In any event I disconnected the by pass wire I had installed and tried the bike firstly with the connector how it was when I found it, and secondly when it was properly connected.


The bike then started up.


I have had the bike from new and I've never touched these connectors, so I've no idea how its become disconnected.


So it looks like I owe you a very big thank you.


THANK YOU Unfazed, your help is greatly appreciated.