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FZS600 Fazer / Re: 2002 FZS 600 Foxeye Fazer service book.
« on: 14 November 2017, 08:42:33 PM »
daviee any chance you could scan it or take photos so i can mess around on photoshop cleaning it up and make one for the download section that looks original for people ???

although i have no idea how i would get it onto the download section yet

FZS600 Fazer / Re: 2002 FZS 600 Foxeye Fazer service book.
« on: 14 November 2017, 04:51:51 PM »
no mistake made its just a confusion on owners manual as both the little booklet you get from yamaha and the haynes manual are often referered to as owners manual

haynes manuals dont have them in - they never do
little owners booklet doesnt  - see link

i am unable to find anything for recording service history like you get in the leather folders in the glovebox of a car (what i am guessing your looking for)

FZS600 Fazer / Re: 2002 FZS 600 Foxeye Fazer service book.
« on: 13 November 2017, 07:36:05 PM »
would be suprised if any still came with a recording booklet
i just type it in notepad and keep it in the folder with the manual i downloaded from the download section

now is the time to take the piss
its time for a poll

ok this is getting out of hand very quickly

so setting them all at the same zero would work in a perfect world and most of the time could work
due to how these sort of things work they need calibrated in use as they have moving parts and springs and all other things that may not be exactly the same as each other and will show a different reading anywhere other than 1 bar

another way to explain  calbration is  2 torque wrench's sitting on a table, one calibrated, one way out
you have no way to know which is which untill you put them under force on a test rig
ok we dont have a test rig for vacuum BUT WE DO we have four different ones of them
each cylinder is its own test rig giving the same vacuum all the time (ish)

im with daviee on this one
if there is a stopper to say zero (1bar) then i would avoid buying them, i would prefer something that does both negative and positive pressure.
when calibrating at home i would use one carb as a control to see they are all giving the same reading (calibrated to each other)
these setups are not that good at giving correct pressure readings but they can be good for making sure they all have the same negative pressure.
if you want accurate pressure readings from 4 individual carbs then the 30 quid kits are not going to cut it.

i will say i dont have one of these relatively cheap set ups myself but have come across them now and again - they can be usefull as long as they are calibrated now and again.

i think daviee is referring to the calibration of the carb balancers - i have had my eye on the same setups for a while but i know my bench setup works pretty well then i tune it with my ear and a piece of pipe (years of practice and still learning from my pops, webers and classic rally cars gives an advantage) the problem after balancing is the idle screw and getting it right from there

think of it this way - a cylinder will usually take as much air as it wants in there once ballanced (allowing same air volume) - our job is to give the right amount of fuel for that amount of air weather that be during tickover (idle screw) or jets and needles for later in the ranges
if your running stock everything then a quick balance then idle screw setup is all you need to worry about
(assuming you have clean carbs and no gummed up emulsion tubes)

a lot of people also overlook doing a compression test if things are a bit lumpy at tickover (including myself)

FZS600 Fazer / Re: Has my bike been lowered?
« on: 07 November 2017, 04:50:25 PM »
on side stand the left hand join on the center panel is 35 1/2 inches from the ground
(just ran in garage to measure what i could)

FZS600 Fazer / Re: headlight relays ?
« on: 05 November 2017, 11:04:56 AM »
i have twin mini bates on the chop and they are poor and they use old style bulbs
the 5 3/4" bates i used was a lot better and had a H4 bulb (had osram night racer in that - still have the helmet shaped box it came in)
- got to be carefull firing in crazy wattage bulbs had a bike in the other week and it fried the wiring cause they put in a 90W h4 bulb and the wiring couldnt cope

FZS600 Fazer / Re: headlight relays ?
« on: 04 November 2017, 09:53:50 PM »
update on this is
the relay mod does improve things
HOWEVER as metioned above the dominator headlights are shite
i looked inside and could see the reflector is extremly mottled (not smooth)
had a similar problem years ago with a bates headlight having lots its shine and fixed it with a bit of autosol with great results
DO NOT DO THIS WITH DOMINATORS - it removed the chrome in seconds and its now a shiney black paint
but it gets funnier - ordered a basic round headlight to do the job as now hitting the dark nights of winter (waiting on delivery)
thought i would hit the now useless headlight with paint stripper to remove the black and polish the steel just to help a bit, but the stripper didnt do anything to the black - or the chrome stuff that came off with autosol
strange things happen in my workshop that confuse not only me but also my father that just laughed and said - 'well that was made in china' lol

FZS600 Fazer / Re: Plastic welding needed
« on: 28 October 2017, 09:10:58 AM »

FZS600 Fazer / Re: Petrol Cap woes
« on: 26 October 2017, 11:21:43 AM »
good old graphite powder for sticky locks
but could also be worn key

yeah if its a daily and has a job to do definatly stick with the standard setup

i just threw them on when i was in and out of there a lot as the engine needed major repair when i bought it and im cutting the subframe off anyway in the future.

unless your going for a full on mod of the bike i wouldnt bother with the pods  - i have them fitted and im no where near getting them set up perfect - but i need to run the carbs through the ultrasonic cleaner when i get a chance then have them setup on the dyno after the rebuild to get them tweaked perfectly

i will sometimes take a flap disc to my brake discs to remove the lip that sometimes appears on the outside of a disc just to ease taking calipers off and back on again but i am very carefull on doing it - always worth checking thickness with vernier calipers to see how far off the wear limit they are

-if anyone happens to know the wear limit of ybr125 custom front discs please let me know as i cant find it anywhere and i think i am about to get my godsons as he doesnt look after it like he should (and he is an ungratefull little shit)

FZS600 Fazer / Re: Another Shorty on a Fazer (exhaust that is)
« on: 24 October 2017, 01:14:50 PM »
Same sort of exhaust by the looks of things.

It'll sound totally different, but according to my Dyno mechanic you'll never beat the original stock exhaust for best performance.
I just don't like the sound of them, they're a bit too quiet for me.

True - the factory stock setup, all components are put together to operate in harmony.
Anything swapped out from that "safe" configuration, can have knock on effects.

When you say best performance, by deviating from the stock silencer, do you mean efficiency (fuel consumption - mpg) / or acceleration (performance)? A more free flowing exhaust still has benefits?

Car engines are usually "restricted" from factory, to suit the majority of the buying public. Restricted via their firmware/software maps (ECU). People remap them, to get a bit more performance out of the engine (which can actually also increase mpg).

We don't have any equivalent capabilities with the Fazer?

I suppose my main reasons for this change, was the increased noise (more road presence = SAFETY) plus cosmetics to compliment the Naked styling, losing that big long 1/2 metre cylinder for a much more sporty, compact unit. I'm not maintaining this bike to look like it just rolled off the production line. :)

factory ecu setup has lots of restrictions they have to adhere too and a remap can increase mpg but it will not comply to the other regulations (probably emmisions) after a remap - car manufacturers use mpg as a major selling point nowadays so they wouldnt give less mpg without a good reason (unless there is a global conspiracy by the CIA, NSA and MI-5 which edward snowden forgot to tell us about)

dont get me wrong i love remaps though, stock vw t4 2.5tdi 102bhp VS pendle performance remap 135bhp 250ft.lbs  (just dont tell MI-5)

and might aswell give your coolant/antifreeze a good flush through aswell as so many people forget to do it regularly enough

but dont use evans waterless coolant - its bullshit and ridiculously expensive

FZS600 Fazer / Re: cafe racer project
« on: 23 October 2017, 11:36:01 AM »

Yeah noticed that - from watching your channel.  :lol  Joking mate.  :b

thanks lol - all hectic here its getting annoying as no time for the bikes

FZS600 Fazer / Re: cafe racer project
« on: 23 October 2017, 11:20:53 AM »
holy crap you have got moving fast on that one
- so far i have done bugger all really apart from order a r6 seat and took some measurements
cant do anything yet anyhow as got a house move to plan

FZS600 Fazer / Re: Not sure where to post this
« on: 21 October 2017, 08:31:26 PM »
por15 is even failing!!! - ooh crap best buy a new tank for the chop then as that has a por15 liner (will replace anyhow as its heavy as fuck)

FZS600 Fazer / Re: Performance issue( missing at 5,000 RPM)
« on: 21 October 2017, 08:28:55 PM »
i used it on purpose
air : fuel ratio basically
-i never heard of the word untill i started watching Mythbusters
if i remember about 14.5 parts air to 1 part petrol makes bangs best but with every fuel it is different which is where things get interesting running methanol

FZS600 Fazer / Re: lights out!
« on: 21 October 2017, 08:22:46 PM »
ok you have 12v at the headlight fuse
just trace that wire at every junction and find where you havent got 12 v anymore
always have a sewing pin to hand in case you have to pierce the wire

i often jump straight to headlight and see if 12v there as it is easy to get too
no12v at HL its between fuse and bulb so likely switch but could be a plug inbetween
12v at HL -its a earth problem (run a temp earth to negative to make sure)

- its often easier to eliminate the possibilities than to find the problem direct

FZS600 Fazer / Re: Performance issue( missing at 5,000 RPM)
« on: 21 October 2017, 03:15:27 PM »
i think darrsi has hit nail on the head there
if you have a clogged air filter you increase negative pressure in the carb and you will pull more fuel through (pressure has to equilise somehow)
you are effectively running rich and using more fuel per mile and not enough air to give you the power when you need it as the stoichiometric efficiency is well off

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