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Title: Different Headlamp
Post by: 74eldiablo on 25 October 2018, 09:14:00 pm
I have a 2001 bike with a phillips lumiled H4 bulb fitted which is fantastic, I decided to buy a high power H1 led for the main beam which arrived today but sadly the round end wont go through the small apeture made for a normal H1 bulb...... bugger.
it looks a bit shit with a crap halogen h1 and a superbright H4 led. i ride in the dark so light is important.

Now i'm definately converted to LED bulbs as the difference between the lumiled H4 and the std H4 was pardon the pun (night and day)
I'm thinking about losing the top fairing and just having a single 7" headlamp instead (with possibly a headlamp fairing at a later date)
so i've seen this headlamp on fleabay.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/7-Daymaker-40w-LED-Hi-Lo-Headlight-with-Halo-Ring-For-Harley-Davidson-Black/202180490055 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/7-Daymaker-40w-LED-Hi-Lo-Headlight-with-Halo-Ring-For-Harley-Davidson-Black/202180490055)
I'm wanting to know will this be possible to wire into the std fazer loom?
i'm ok with cutting crimping soldering and heatshrinking wires etc but dont want to chop the loom only to find it wont work.
obviously i will need a headlamp housing and brackets so any advise as to whether this will work
do i need that ring that comes with the headlight to fit it into something like this?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Motorcycle-7-LED-Headlight-Lamp-Light-Housing-Bucket-W-Bracket-For-Harley-UK/152985459260 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Motorcycle-7-LED-Headlight-Lamp-Light-Housing-Bucket-W-Bracket-For-Harley-UK/152985459260)
or will it fir without the ring.
I quite like the idea of a streetfighter type fazer with the option to change it back should i want to at a later date.

cheers




Title: Re: Different Headlamp
Post by: darrsi on 26 October 2018, 05:58:39 am
You've got me interested now, as i've been thinking about brighter headlights over the last few days.
I have the spotlights which are brilliant, but now they kind of embarrass the headlights. The headlights look bright enough, until you look at the beam on the floor and they're not really doing too much, whereas i turn the spots on and they light the ground up in front of me with a nice white light.
Think i have Philips Extreme bulbs at the moment.


I know it's quite a hard material around the bulb that contains the holder, even though it does eventually erode away through vibration, but do you not think it would be possible to open up the hole with a Dremel to make it hold another H4 bulb?


Has anyone ever attempted this before with success?
Title: Re: Different Headlamp
Post by: darrsi on 27 October 2018, 04:40:57 pm
I've had a good look the last couple of days for 6500k LED lights to try and match the whiteness of my spotlights.


What a nightmare, there's thousands out there  :eek


And without trying them you really have no clue if they'll be any good or an improvement at all. I saw some reviews and they gave a proper thumbs down to what looked like a good thing.
Then you have LED's with fans on the back which are fine on the H4 side, but there's no way of holding the H1 bulb in place because currently it uses the plastic holder which is of no use if the light has a fan attached.
Also, whenever i found an H4 light that would suffice, they didn't do the matching H1 version, and vice versa.


I've found one place that does both without the fans and they're out of stock of the H4 now.  :rolleyes [size=78%] [/size]
[/size]I've emailed them as i'm still interested in buying them, i'll keep you posted if i ever get them.[size=78%]
Title: Re: Different Headlamp
Post by: 74eldiablo on 27 October 2018, 06:20:10 pm
The one i bought uses phillips chips, it is the newer type heatsink one without a fan, the connectors are proper quality ones.
I bought this for my firestorm to replace the gay rainbow effect bulb the previous owner had fitted, the firestorms headlight was far far superior to the fazer one, when i sold the storm after 1 month due to the ridiculous MPG i took out the bulb.
Only when i realised the fazer has two different types of bulb (which is a completely dumb idea) i swapped it out into the full beam of the fazer but it is only using half of the chips unless i make a wiring mod so it really does make the most of the lumiled bulb.
For the time being its constantly been ridden using full beam and it shits all over the halogen.I'm just gutted the new H1 cree chips led bulb wont fit, did a test halogen vs led out of the headlight and the led bulb is far superior and far brighter i just cannot get it in  :'(
this is due the fact the H1 bulb holder has 2 locating lugs that fit into the lugs on the back of the headlight, so if i cut it away (at the headlight end) the bulb holder will have nothing to 'locate' into and it will not be tight, i dare say the spring clip will hold it in place but cannot take the risk of it rattling around in the headlight.
So i'm thinking of doing away with the fairing altogether and buying a LED headlight unit, but dont want to buy it without knowing whats involved to replace a wiring setup designed for 2 lamps into just one lamp.
if its a straightfoward cut and replace a connector then i'll lose the fairing and get a better headlight and a headlight fairing .
need to think now
Title: Re: Different Headlamp
Post by: darrsi on 27 October 2018, 07:47:51 pm
Just so people know what we're on about.
Title: Re: Different Headlamp
Post by: darrsi on 27 October 2018, 07:52:39 pm
The amalgamating tape i put on there was to stop buzzing/vibrating of the bulb against the housing, which if left would gradually chip away at the housing over time, plus drive you made with the noise as well.
Title: Re: Different Headlamp
Post by: fazersharp on 27 October 2018, 08:37:15 pm
From my experience with the colour temperature of house hold LED bulbs you can not always go by what the seller/manufacturer quotes. I should know as I have 62 LED bulbs in Sharp Hall  :eek   
Title: Re: Different Headlamp
Post by: darrsi on 27 October 2018, 10:34:39 pm
What put me off a bit was i read an article that explained a lot about the randomness of LED's, some are quite directional with hotspots aiming where they're s'posed to, but cheaper imitations can spread the light like a living room lightbulb.
It's very hit and miss, you will literally need someone to try and then recommend a certain item.
As i said earlier what looked great in an advert were slated after being used.


Another thing to look out for, which can be deceiving, is lights are advertised in wattage as a pair, rather than as singles, which can also confuse matters, 'cos they presume you're gonna use the pair at the same time, whereas that doesn't apply to our older models, as we need one H1 and one H4.
Title: Re: Different Headlamp
Post by: tommyardin on 28 October 2018, 01:08:05 am
The lights that have been mentioned in this post that has had links posted are Harley D lamps. Now the Americans for some strange reason drive on the wrong side of the road (mad bastards, dangerous to) but require their lamps to dip in the opposite direction to us sensible Brits, will these pose a problem with dazzling other drivers in this country and or at MOT time?
Title: Re: Different Headlamp
Post by: Northern Biker on 28 October 2018, 01:21:04 am
It can be a minefield, I've had a mixture of cheap bulbs and better ones without much success.
Then I found a place called Classic Car LED's. They make their own LED's which are designed for use in older classic cars, especially older classic cars with reflector headlights.
Read the reviews for their H1 and H4 bulbs, bright white light with a clear sharp cut off on the beam pattern, most of the bulbs I've tried before don't have this cut off, they just scatter the light everywhere.
Granted they are more expensive, but as we only need one H1 and one H4 bulb per bike, if you can split it with a mate or another member then it's not so bad, or keep a spare of each!
I've yet to buy some headlight bulbs for my bike but I've had them in my previous car and they were impressive, I'd recommend them all day long.
I do have their stop/tail bulbs in my fazer and they are very good too.
Title: Re: Different Headlamp
Post by: darrsi on 28 October 2018, 08:22:29 am
It can be a minefield, I've had a mixture of cheap bulbs and better ones without much success.
Then I found a place called Classic Car LED's. They make their own LED's which are designed for use in older classic cars, especially older classic cars with reflector headlights.
Read the reviews for their H1 and H4 bulbs, bright white light with a clear sharp cut off on the beam pattern, most of the bulbs I've tried before don't have this cut off, they just scatter the light everywhere.
Granted they are more expensive, but as we only need one H1 and one H4 bulb per bike, if you can split it with a mate or another member then it's not so bad, or keep a spare of each!
I've yet to buy some headlight bulbs for my bike but I've had them in my previous car and they were impressive, I'd recommend them all day long.
I do have their stop/tail bulbs in my fazer and they are very good too.


Just had a look, but it's the same issue i've been having previously, their H1 bulbs have the heat dissipating fins on the back which means they are no good for 98-01 bikes due to having no way of securing the lamp to the housing. 02-03 bikes are okay as i believe they have 2 x H4 fitments.


1600 lumens is similar to my Philips Extreme Vision bulbs, but i'm more interested in the daylight white 6500K colour of them, which will be a closer match to my spotlights.

I've just found another place that sells them and has both in stock.

I'll be the guinea pig and buy them so watch this space and i'll let you know the verdict when i get them, and i'll try and add some photos as well.
They're not too expensive to take a chance with.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nighteye-H1-H4-H7-H11-9005-9006-Auto-Car-LED-Fog-Light-Bulb-Driving-Lamp-6500K/123421235571?hash=item1cbc7a9973:m:maE9JzoMP7rmnlTtsdut35A:rk:17:pf:0 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nighteye-H1-H4-H7-H11-9005-9006-Auto-Car-LED-Fog-Light-Bulb-Driving-Lamp-6500K/123421235571?hash=item1cbc7a9973:m:maE9JzoMP7rmnlTtsdut35A:rk:17:pf:0)

NOTE: I've just noticed that on their listing it says 80 watt "per bulb", yet i know from a different advert that they are actually 80 watts "per pair" which would be less power consumption than the 2 x 55w bulbs i'm using now.

Seeing that my spotlights are only 10w each yet completely outshine my headlights you would like to think that these may do the job okay, fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Different Headlamp
Post by: Fazerider on 28 October 2018, 09:08:42 am
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I'll be the guinea pig and buy them so watch this space and i'll let you know the verdict when i get them, and i'll try and add some photos as well.
They're not too expensive to take a chance with.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nighteye-H1-H4-H7-H11-9005-9006-Auto-Car-LED-Fog-Light-Bulb-Driving-Lamp-6500K/123421235571?hash=item1cbc7a9973:m:maE9JzoMP7rmnlTtsdut35A:rk:17:pf:0 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nighteye-H1-H4-H7-H11-9005-9006-Auto-Car-LED-Fog-Light-Bulb-Driving-Lamp-6500K/123421235571?hash=item1cbc7a9973:m:maE9JzoMP7rmnlTtsdut35A:rk:17:pf:0)

NOTE: I've just noticed that on their listing it says 80 watt "per bulb", yet i know from a different advert that they are actually 80 watts "per pair" which would be less power consumption than the 2 x 55w bulbs i'm using now.

Seeing that my spotlights are only 10w each yet completely outshine my headlights you would like to think that these may do the job okay, fingers crossed.

I wish they'd offer LED headlights with a lower colour temperature, 6000K is far too dazzling IMHO.
And a lot are also far too bright. Once upon a time a simple power limit was enough to keep the light output within sensible bounds, but the efficiency of modern discharge or LED sources renders that useless. So every time I'm out at night I find myself guessing that my side of the road is just a bit to the left of the things that are blinding me.
That aside, those Nighteye units don't look too extreme. I guess they've added the low and high beam powers AND converted the figure to tungsten equivalent to claim 80W per bulb. No way could that dissipate 80W with such minimal heatsinking, the lumens figure is far more telling, they're probably 8W. Which will make life easier for switchgear, wiring and battery.
Title: Re: Different Headlamp
Post by: darrsi on 28 October 2018, 10:41:46 am
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I'll be the guinea pig and buy them so watch this space and i'll let you know the verdict when i get them, and i'll try and add some photos as well.
They're not too expensive to take a chance with.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nighteye-H1-H4-H7-H11-9005-9006-Auto-Car-LED-Fog-Light-Bulb-Driving-Lamp-6500K/123421235571?hash=item1cbc7a9973:m:maE9JzoMP7rmnlTtsdut35A:rk:17:pf:0 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nighteye-H1-H4-H7-H11-9005-9006-Auto-Car-LED-Fog-Light-Bulb-Driving-Lamp-6500K/123421235571?hash=item1cbc7a9973:m:maE9JzoMP7rmnlTtsdut35A:rk:17:pf:0)

NOTE: I've just noticed that on their listing it says 80 watt "per bulb", yet i know from a different advert that they are actually 80 watts "per pair" which would be less power consumption than the 2 x 55w bulbs i'm using now.

Seeing that my spotlights are only 10w each yet completely outshine my headlights you would like to think that these may do the job okay, fingers crossed.

I wish they'd offer LED headlights with a lower colour temperature, 6000K is far too dazzling IMHO.
And a lot are also far too bright. Once upon a time a simple power limit was enough to keep the light output within sensible bounds, but the efficiency of modern discharge or LED sources renders that useless. So every time I'm out at night I find myself guessing that my side of the road is just a bit to the left of the things that are blinding me.
That aside, those Nighteye units don't look too extreme. I guess they've added the low and high beam powers AND converted the figure to tungsten equivalent to claim 80W per bulb. No way could that dissipate 80W with such minimal heatsinking, the lumens figure is far more telling, they're probably 8W. Which will make life easier for switchgear, wiring and battery.


I'll do a meter check if they get to stay on the bike when i try them. When i turn my current headlights on the battery voltage drops quite a bit, and as i mainly do shortish runs every day that can become a problem in colder winter nights, which is why the 10w spotlights have been great in every way, using less power AND giving me much more light on the road at night. I use them as daylight running lights as well. I even had another biker pull up next to me the other day asking where i got them from as he said they looked really bright for such a small unit. I wondered what he was doing 'cos he was in front of me, then he dropped behind me, then back in front of me again until he pulled up next to me at traffic lights. He was basically checking them out before he finally spoke to me.  :lol


There was a time where you just put up with the poor headlights, or at least put in the best bulbs you could find, but now with the roads being so poorly maintained everywhere and no doubt about to get worse again if weather reports are to be believed, then you really need to be able to see the road in front of you because some of the potholes out there are just downright dangerous.
It's a bloody disgrace how some councils have let their highways get into such a bad state. There's a huge dip in the road right next to my work that feels like you're riding into about half the height of a bath, it's that bad, and i reported it months ago yet nothing has been done at all, not even a temporary repair. When you see artic lorries go over it the whole lorry looks like it's about to tip over then it corrects itself once over it.
Title: Re: Different Headlamp
Post by: tommyardin on 28 October 2018, 03:38:26 pm
Looking at the different Nighteye bulbs it would appear some suppliers are quoting 800 Lumins output, while others seem to be claiming 8000 Lumins, while yet others 1600 Lumins. Then a figure of 80watt power consumption is being claimed by some.


Seems like a minefield to me, claim what you like  :'( and then you find out that figure quoted is the total out put of all 4 elements on twin H4 bulbs and yet another give a joint power of the main beams only. Would love to know what you think Darrsi, do keep us updated on your findings. Was thinking about putting a pair of H4's in my car. and maybe the FZS 600 if they seem OK.
Title: Re: Different Headlamp
Post by: darrsi on 28 October 2018, 08:11:19 pm
Looking at the different Nighteye bulbs it would appear some suppliers are quoting 800 Lumins output, while others seem to be claiming 8000 Lumins, while yet others 1600 Lumins. Then a figure of 80watt power consumption is being claimed by some.


Seems like a minefield to me, claim what you like  :'( and then you find out that figure quoted is the total out put of all 4 elements on twin H4 bulbs and yet another give a joint power of the main beams only. Would love to know what you think Darrsi, do keep us updated on your findings. Was thinking about putting a pair of H4's in my car. and maybe the FZS 600 if they seem OK.


If i only needed H4 lights then i would have probably gone for the ones with fins or fans attached.
They are higher wattage but no doubt brighter too.
The main problem has been the H1 which has put a proper spanner in the works, then finding an H1 and H4 of same brand, same white light, power, etc, and the Nighteye ones were more or less the only ones suitable.
Add to that it looks like a trusted brand, so i'm willing to give them a try.
Title: Re: Different Headlamp
Post by: F4celess on 30 October 2018, 01:41:31 pm
My Bike headlights take H4 Bulbs. However states using bulbs rated at 35/35 W.
If I dropped in a couple of 55/60W "super white" type bulbs, as you see from the likes of Phillips / Osram, am I at risk of burning / overheating the headlight housing / glass?  :rolleyes

What Wattage bulbs were supposed to be used in the standard fairing, on the Box eye / Fox eye?
Title: Re: Different Headlamp
Post by: darrsi on 30 October 2018, 03:49:06 pm
My Bike headlights take H4 Bulbs. However states using bulbs rated at 35/35 W.
If I dropped in a couple of 55/60W "super white" type bulbs, as you see from the likes of Phillips / Osram, am I at risk of burning / overheating the headlight housing / glass?  :rolleyes

What Wattage bulbs were supposed to be used in the standard fairing, on the Box eye / Fox eye?


I've always used 55w H4 bulbs in my bike, i presumed that was standard anyway for them?


Just checked and the H1 is 55w as well.
Title: Re: Different Headlamp
Post by: tommyardin on 30 October 2018, 04:05:55 pm
I have always had the high power H4 competition/ show bulbs from Halfords in my foxeye, I believe they are 80/90 watt. Says on the package ‘completion only not for road use’ Have had all my MOT tests done with them in place, a couple of times I have had a wow bright headlights from a Darren who does my MOT but it has always passed. Just ordered two led bulbs from the link Darrsi posted for my car but then found out that it takes 4  single filement bulbs, so will put them in the fazer, as my little combo van takes 4 bulbs as well.
Title: Re: Different Headlamp
Post by: hopefiendboy on 31 October 2018, 04:43:03 pm
@Darrsi


What spot lamps are you running? I'm keen to get some and if you have a link to them that would be superb!


I have a yr 2000 SP Boxeye and would also be interested in how the other replacement bulbs are going?!


Cheers!
Title: Re: Different Headlamp
Post by: Salty on 31 October 2018, 06:43:05 pm
I've got these: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2X-10W-Cree-LED-Work-Light-Spot-Lamp-Driving-Fog-ATV-Motorcycle-4WD-Boat-UK-SHIP/263658322681?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649.Also (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2X-10W-Cree-LED-Work-Light-Spot-Lamp-Driving-Fog-ATV-Motorcycle-4WD-Boat-UK-SHIP/263658322681?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649.Also) had the same on my last bike. They are really bright and great value.
Title: Re: Different Headlamp
Post by: darrsi on 31 October 2018, 07:01:13 pm
I've got these: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2X-10W-Cree-LED-Work-Light-Spot-Lamp-Driving-Fog-ATV-Motorcycle-4WD-Boat-UK-SHIP/263658322681?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649.Also (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2X-10W-Cree-LED-Work-Light-Spot-Lamp-Driving-Fog-ATV-Motorcycle-4WD-Boat-UK-SHIP/263658322681?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649.Also) had the same on my last bike. They are really bright and great value.


These are the exact spotlights i have on my bike, and they are brilliant.
I had a mate wire them up to an on/off switch on my handlebars, rather than have them permanently on, although i do have them on most of the time now anyway.
Title: Re: Different Headlamp
Post by: darrsi on 31 October 2018, 07:05:02 pm
@Darrsi


What spot lamps are you running? I'm keen to get some and if you have a link to them that would be superb!


I have a yr 2000 SP Boxeye and would also be interested in how the other replacement bulbs are going?!


Cheers!


Link as above for the spotlights.


Still waiting on the new LED lights, but i’ll let you all know the outcome as soon as i try them, hopefully with some photo’s too.
Title: Re: Different Headlamp
Post by: Frosties on 31 October 2018, 10:37:44 pm
@Darrsi


What spot lamps are you running? I'm keen to get some and if you have a link to them that would be superb!


I have a yr 2000 SP Boxeye and would also be interested in how the other replacement bulbs are going?!


Cheers!



Link here to an old thread on the cree spotlights.


http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php/topic,21527.0.html (http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php/topic,21527.0.html)
Title: Re: Different Headlamp
Post by: tommyardin on 01 November 2018, 12:52:10 am
@Darrsi


What spot lamps are you running? I'm keen to get some and if you have a link to them that would be superb!


I have a yr 2000 SP Boxeye and would also be interested in how the other replacement bulbs are going?!


Cheers!


Link as above for the spotlights.


Still waiting on the new LED lights, but i’ll let you all know the outcome as soon as i try them, hopefully with some photo’s too.


Hi Darrsi,
Had an eBay message from the people (Your posted link) that I purchased them from saying that the bulbs are defective and that they would not be sending them and If I choose I can order a different bulb from them or have a refund. :'(


Copy of their message below:


Dear Customer How are you? We are now have a very pain problem, we just check that, the H4 LED Headlight has a quality problem, we can not send you problem goods, we are very sorry about it, and factory told us the goods can not be supplied at least 4 weeks.How you choose other style from us? or we refund you?We are so sorry for the inconvenient, but please do not leave us negative and neutral feedback, we can do our best help you. Thank you.Looking forward to your early reply.Jenny
Title: Re: Different Headlamp
Post by: tommyardin on 01 November 2018, 12:57:34 am
Just went back onto their site and they are now listing them (H4) as out of stock

Title: Re: Different Headlamp
Post by: darrsi on 01 November 2018, 06:44:16 am
Just went back onto their site and they are now listing them (H4) as out of stock


How annoying is that?
They've not contacted me at all, so i just emailed them, but it doesn't look too good does it?  :groan
Title: Re: Different Headlamp
Post by: darrsi on 01 November 2018, 09:47:10 am
I've had contact already with them, and fair play to them they've fully refunded me already.

That's a royal pain in the arse now, 'cos I still can't find any others anywhere like that as a pair with same brightness, same colour, etc, that come just as a lamp without any attachments on them.

I'll keep searching and let you know what I come up with.  :\
Title: Re: Different Headlamp
Post by: tommyardin on 01 November 2018, 12:39:12 pm
I've had contact already with them, and fair play to them they've fully refunded me already.

That's a royal pain in the arse now, 'cos I still can't find any others anywhere like that as a pair with same brightness, same colour, etc, that come just as a lamp without any attachments on them.

I'll keep searching and let you know what I come up with.  :\


 :lol :thumbup
Title: Re: Different Headlamp
Post by: tommyardin on 01 November 2018, 01:16:41 pm
There seems to be quite a few LED H4 bulbs available on the Bay ranging from £4-95 -£145 (Philliips) sharn't be buying them.
Some vendors give some images of the light pattern produced by the LED's, but a lot seem to dip the wrong way  :rolleyes  or is that governed by the car headlamp lens pattern and the reflector, if it is governed by the LED bulb then a lot of them are useless in the UK and a definite MOT failure and possibly a swollen eye from the offended motorist. :eek  unless of course he runs into you cos he is dazzled.
Title: Re: Different Headlamp
Post by: darrsi on 01 November 2018, 01:38:20 pm
I gave up looking for the LED’s after continually reading bad reviews, and they all seemed to be from China as well.
If anyone has the capabilty then i reckon there’s money to be made as it would appear there’s a gap in the market over here for them.


I then found a website called autobulbsdirect.co.uk.


I went for the H1 & H4 in XENON ICE, which were touted as 6500K brightness, with a white output and road legal very slight blue tint.
Not only did they have very good reviews but they’re a UK company as well.


About £19 delivered in total for 2 of each bulb.
Title: Re: Different Headlamp
Post by: tommyardin on 01 November 2018, 02:03:53 pm
I gave up looking for the LED’s after continually reading bad reviews, and they all seemed to be from China as well.
If anyone has the capabilty then i reckon there’s money to be made as it would appear there’s a gap in the market over here for them.


I then found a website called autobulbsdirect.co.uk.


I went for the H1 & H4 in XENON ICE, which were touted as 6500K brightness, with a white output and road legal very slight blue tint.
Not only did they have very good reviews but they’re a UK company as well.


About £19 delivered in total for 2 of each bulb.


Are they LED though Darrsi
I been on their site and most of the LEDS cost much more then that
Title: Re: Different Headlamp
Post by: darrsi on 01 November 2018, 04:05:43 pm
No, i shelved that idea for now.
All i really want is a whiter light so will try out these so called 6500 bulbs for now.
Title: Re: Different Headlamp
Post by: tommyardin on 01 November 2018, 05:25:48 pm
No, i shelved that idea for now.
All i really want is a whiter light so will try out these so called 6500 bulbs for now.


6500 Kelvin is Natural Bright White, Daylight I believe runs from around 5000K to 6500.
6500 Kelvin being towards the blue end of the white spectrum.
Any idea how many Lumens of light one bulb puts out on main beam?
Title: Re: Different Headlamp
Post by: darrsi on 01 November 2018, 06:53:36 pm
No, i shelved that idea for now.
All i really want is a whiter light so will try out these so called 6500 bulbs for now.


6500 Kelvin is Natural Bright White, Daylight I believe runs from around 5000K to 6500.
6500 Kelvin being towards the blue end of the white spectrum.
Any idea how many Lumens of light one bulb puts out on main beam?


Doesn’t say about lumens, and now i’m reading that they’re 5000K.
But looking at another website and description codes, i have a feeling the ones i’ve ordered are a renamed/repackaged version of  “Osram Cool Blue Intense” bulbs.
Title: Re: Different Headlamp
Post by: darrsi on 01 November 2018, 06:57:31 pm
Maybe not, they sell them as well?
Title: Re: Different Headlamp
Post by: 74eldiablo on 01 November 2018, 07:44:32 pm
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sonh4lHu4XE#)

interesting, this is what made me choose mine

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1X-White-LED-H4-Hi-Lo-Dual-Bulb-Car-Driving-Fog-Light-Headlight-160W-Waterproof/302727320383?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1X-White-LED-H4-Hi-Lo-Dual-Bulb-Car-Driving-Fog-Light-Headlight-160W-Waterproof/302727320383?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649)

I'm very happy with it it has a very concentrated beam and is not scattered, i would buy the exact same one in H1 if i could
Title: Re: Different Headlamp
Post by: darrsi on 01 November 2018, 11:06:43 pm
! No longer available ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sonh4lHu4XE#[/url])

interesting, this is what made me choose mine

[url]https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1X-White-LED-H4-Hi-Lo-Dual-Bulb-Car-Driving-Fog-Light-Headlight-160W-Waterproof/302727320383?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649[/url] ([url]https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1X-White-LED-H4-Hi-Lo-Dual-Bulb-Car-Driving-Fog-Light-Headlight-160W-Waterproof/302727320383?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649[/url])

I'm very happy with it it has a very concentrated beam and is not scattered, i would buy the exact same one in H1 if i could



It's the H1 that's causing all the problems, it's just a nuisance tbe way it's secured.
Add to that the crappy reflective part of the headlight unit, if it was half decent to begin with we wouldn't have all these issues.
Title: Re: Different Headlamp
Post by: darrsi on 03 November 2018, 10:28:22 pm
New bulbs turned up at work today, i'll fit them tomorrow.
Tried to take a photo for comparison reasons today but the camera just whites out, so you msy have to take my word on how good or bad they are.
Title: Re: Different Headlamp
Post by: darrsi on 05 November 2018, 10:06:57 pm
Put the new bulbs in, not impressed at all.
The headlight unit still looks off colour compared to the spots, and with the spots turned off they barely light up the road, yet as soon as the spots are on, the road gets lit up.
In fact i think there's a chance the previous bulbs are a tad brighter.
The headlight unit/reflectors are simply useless.
The bulbs themselves are probably great when reflected properly, but that ain't happening on my bike.


I did try photo's but they just don't show the reality on camera.
Title: Re: Different Headlamp
Post by: redmandan on 05 November 2018, 10:36:33 pm
That's a shame Darrsi, I was following this thread as I was interested in getting something done about my bulbs. Dipped beam is reasonably good but full beam is utterly useless and I was hoping some new bulbs would help.
Title: Re: Different Headlamp
Post by: Northern Biker on 06 November 2018, 11:13:41 am
Shame the bulbs didn't work darrsi but it was worth a try.
I think I'm going to buy another headlight unit and retrofit some decent projector lenses into them.
The amount of money and time I've put into bulbs over the past year is unreal, I think the technology for LED headlight bulbs in reflector lenses isn't quite there yet and also I'm pissing into the wind here because it's the actual headlight and reflector unit on the bike which is badly designed so I reckon I'm going for projectors next.
Wish me luck!  :lol
Title: Re: Different Headlamp
Post by: mobile mouse on 06 November 2018, 09:38:39 pm
Try these   https://www.classiccarleds.co.uk/products/latest-led-headlight-h4-motorcycle (https://www.classiccarleds.co.uk/products/latest-led-headlight-h4-motorcycle)


based in UK...
Title: Re: Different Headlamp
Post by: Frosties on 06 November 2018, 10:30:52 pm
Darrsi - the spots are mounted on the top radiator side plate.....sooooooooo how about banging another set of spots on the lower screws - you'd look like an X-Wing fighter then.
Title: Re: Different Headlamp
Post by: darrsi on 07 November 2018, 06:09:16 am
Try these   https://www.classiccarleds.co.uk/products/latest-led-headlight-h4-motorcycle (https://www.classiccarleds.co.uk/products/latest-led-headlight-h4-motorcycle)


based in UK...


There are several like this about.......in H4.......which is fine for 02-03 bikes.


The problem is that 98-01 bikes have 1 x H4 and 1 x H1 bulb.


The H1 has a very slim fitted part where the bulb goes through the headlight unit, but as the O.P. has found out some of the upgraded bulbs are round and don't fit.
Also, the H1 bulb pushes in to a holder (photo of mine on Page 1) that then gets clipped down with that funny shaped wire clip. This is no good if you have heat dissipating fins or a fan on the rear of upgraded bulbs as it cannot be secured to the headlight unit.
Title: Re: Different Headlamp
Post by: darrsi on 07 November 2018, 06:12:32 am
Shame the bulbs didn't work darrsi but it was worth a try.
I think I'm going to buy another headlight unit and retrofit some decent projector lenses into them.
The amount of money and time I've put into bulbs over the past year is unreal, I think the technology for LED headlight bulbs in reflector lenses isn't quite there yet and also I'm pissing into the wind here because it's the actual headlight and reflector unit on the bike which is badly designed so I reckon I'm going for projectors next.
Wish me luck!  :lol


I think the reflectors are just a bit pony for starters, but then you have the fairing area directly in front of the light reflectors which i think is what gives it that yellow coloured dulling effect.
Title: Re: Different Headlamp
Post by: darrsi on 07 November 2018, 06:21:22 am
Darrsi - the spots are mounted on the top radiator side plate.....sooooooooo how about banging another set of spots on the lower screws - you'd look like an X-Wing fighter then.


The annoying thing as i've said before is when you see these new scooters that have headlights that literally put ours to shame.


At night time i just wanted the headlights to be of a similar colour to my spots, i don't expect them to chuck out the same beam, although that would be very nice, but having two bright white spots with two slightly yellow tinted headlights in comparison just doesn't seem right or look that great either.
Maybe it's a set up that gets noticed more on the road though, which wouldn't be a bad thing at all.
Title: Re: Different Headlamp
Post by: mobile mouse on 07 November 2018, 09:34:09 pm
They also do H1 LED bulbs.


https://www.classiccarleds.co.uk/products/pair-of-latest-led-headlights-h1-6800-lumen-main-or-dip-beam-conversion-9-32v (https://www.classiccarleds.co.uk/products/pair-of-latest-led-headlights-h1-6800-lumen-main-or-dip-beam-conversion-9-32v)



Title: Re: Different Headlamp
Post by: darrsi on 07 November 2018, 09:48:02 pm
They also do H1 LED bulbs.


https://www.classiccarleds.co.uk/products/pair-of-latest-led-headlights-h1-6800-lumen-main-or-dip-beam-conversion-9-32v (https://www.classiccarleds.co.uk/products/pair-of-latest-led-headlights-h1-6800-lumen-main-or-dip-beam-conversion-9-32v)


I've explained above why these are no good!
Title: Re: Different Headlamp
Post by: Frosties on 08 November 2018, 10:48:31 pm
To be honest i don't think you'll find a buld alone is going to help. Projector type mods seem to be the only way....or there's this option  :rolleyes
Title: Re: Different Headlamp
Post by: darrsi on 09 November 2018, 05:27:11 am
To be honest i don't think you'll find a buld alone is going to help. Projector type mods seem to be the only way....or there's this option  :rolleyes


Exactly that, i do think that these bulbs i'm using now are a tiny bit whiter to look at than the Philips Extreme, but as a projected beam of light on the floor ahead, with the spots turned off, they're just not getting the reflection that they need to do their job properly.
I have no doubt at all if they were put into a cars headlight unit for example they would highly likely be a great improvement over standard bulbs.
Title: Re: Different Headlamp
Post by: tommyardin on 09 November 2018, 08:07:03 am
Having projector spots on the side of the radiator looks fine.

My fear would be that if you did have a low side off or even just drop the bike while at a stand still would the spots not wreck the radiator? This would be bad enough if it were to happen getting it out of the shed or garage or putting it away, but should it happen 50 miles from home you are now in serious trouble with a busted radiator and no way of riding anywhere.

As Darrsi has said the projector spots are absolutely brilliant and really illuminate the road ahead, I have my spots focused ahead at about 30 feet to the centre of the beam.
I find this position does not dazzle oncoming drivers but really lights up the edge of the road and give good warning of debris and road kill you would sooner not ride through. the spots that I fitted I can only describe as shockingly white and just nudging up against a smallest hint of blue.
I have a pair of H4 Xenon Ultra White competition bulbs (Halfords) in my 2003 reg FZS600, now when I put these in they were so much whiter that the standard H4 halogen bulb, but with the spots switched on they still look yellowish.

 I will go the LED route, but it appears that the wire retaining clip that holds the bulb in place seems to be hindered by the heat sink that is on most of the LED's making it impossible to fit. if this is the case, it makes me wonder how they are fitted to cars as the H4 fittings all look identical.

I had to take the 4th picture named 'OK' from above the projector beam because the beam is so bright my camera phone refused to capture an image. 
Title: Re: Different Headlamp
Post by: tommyardin on 09 November 2018, 08:46:10 am
Here is a short video clip of the lights on my FZS 600 Foxeye.
Again could not lower the camera into the beams as it just refused to capture an image, but what it does show is that all the lights do not overpower the indicators as some have said in the past.
Title: Re: Different Headlamp
Post by: redmandan on 15 November 2018, 12:35:13 am
Having projector spots on the side of the radiator looks fine.

My fear would be that if you did have a low side off or even just drop the bike while at a stand still would the spots not wreck the radiator? This would be bad enough if it were to happen getting it out of the shed or garage or putting it away, but should it happen 50 miles from home you are now in serious trouble with a busted radiator and no way of riding anywhere.

Sorry to flog this horse a little more but i like the mount you have here Tommy. My bike doesn't have this metal pipe attached to the chassis to mount the spots and offer crash protection though. Is this something you welded on yourself?
Title: Re: Different Headlamp
Post by: Frosties on 15 November 2018, 04:27:55 pm
Having projector spots on the side of the radiator looks fine.

My fear would be that if you did have a low side off or even just drop the bike while at a stand still would the spots not wreck the radiator? This would be bad enough if it were to happen getting it out of the shed or garage or putting it away, but should it happen 50 miles from home you are now in serious trouble with a busted radiator and no way of riding anywhere.

As Darrsi has said the projector spots are absolutely brilliant and really illuminate the road ahead, I have my spots focused ahead at about 30 feet to the centre of the beam.
I find this position does not dazzle oncoming drivers but really lights up the edge of the road and give good warning of debris and road kill you would sooner not ride through. the spots that I fitted I can only describe as shockingly white and just nudging up against a smallest hint of blue.
I have a pair of H4 Xenon Ultra White competition bulbs (Halfords) in my 2003 reg FZS600, now when I put these in they were so much whiter that the standard H4 halogen bulb, but with the spots switched on they still look yellowish.

 I will go the LED route, but it appears that the wire retaining clip that holds the bulb in place seems to be hindered by the heat sink that is on most of the LED's making it impossible to fit. if this is the case, it makes me wonder how they are fitted to cars as the H4 fittings all look identical.

I had to take the 4th picture named 'OK' from above the projector beam because the beam is so bright my camera phone refused to capture an image. 



Hi Tommy, I've mounted the same 10W Crees on my Bandit (about 2 yr ago) at the same rad top screw as the Fazer. The bike has been over 3 times and all these Cree spots do is fold in on their mounting - nothing breaks or twists. Just need to reset the spots.