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Re: What did you do with whatever else you've got?
« Reply #625 on: 06 December 2014, 05:58:13 pm »
Didn't noggy say he had set it with his wife doing the measurements? I would assume that means he was kitted up and sat on it...

Missed that bit,  :groan

Laden sag would want to be 25 to 30% of the fork travel which according to the manual is 130mm which would make the laden sag around 30 to 40mm.

25mm would only be the start point of static sag

I Think my brain is sagging :b

trouble is that coz my bike has a side stand only then I didn't know what the bikes normal sag was without me on it..........so I guessed that it was 10mm :o :o :o

and then we went with the 25mm with me sat on it....that's an accurately guessed 35mm...innit :o :o :o

yes I know :o :o :o

I hate this  bike :lol

oh and yes I had my kit on.....although admittedly I didn't quite feel the need to actually wear the helmet so I held it on the tank  :)

Might be time to change to fork oil and put in the standard 5w

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Re: What did you do with whatever else you've got?
« Reply #626 on: 06 December 2014, 06:52:46 pm »
Became a chimney sweep for the morning and cleaned the chimney :b


Unfazed it doesnt matter how much you clean that chimney i think you're a bit too old for Santa to visit this year.


Nice try though, you never know :)
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Re: What did you do with whatever else you've got?
« Reply #627 on: 06 December 2014, 10:26:01 pm »
Wishfull thinking, he might get a new R1 down it. :lol

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Re: What did you do with whatever else you've got?
« Reply #628 on: 08 December 2014, 11:23:12 am »
So... life went bad for the MG over the weekend...

The new gearbox is mostly shot - god damn seller lied about its state...

Here is the damage to the cover surrounding the oil seal for the nearside driveshaft
ZS

After a bit of investigative work on the old box I figured I could just swap over the casings and life would be good. This did not work. I struggled for a bit trying to get the cover off of the old box, eventually resorting to Google where I found that there is a circlip hiding behind a bolt that needs to be released. Did this and off popped the cover with little effort. I proceeded to remove the new box from the car to do the same thing... but no. Not a chance. Fucker won't budge. I've done everything exactly the same as the old box but the cover still only lifts about 20mm and no further.

Stupid circlip...
ZS

Old gearbox
ZS


The real concerns are that there is some not very nice stuff leaking out of the box that happens to include metal filings... a fair few of them... and then, just to add salt to the wound, suddenly I hear tap tap tap tap as a load of ball bearings decide to make a bid for freedom. Looks like the bearing carrier on the offside of the diff has given up on life, which just so happens to be the one I can't even get to without dismantling the entire thing

Then I get a call from the estate agents. They aren't impressed with my vehicular maintenance. So, after all this, I give up. Old box, despite its issues, is going back on. I'll admit that I've made a bodge of this project from start to finish... but you live and learn. I look forward to having a nice 2+ car garage in the future where I have all the space I need, heating, lighting, tools where I can do whatever the foc I want

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Re: What did you do with whatever else you've got?
« Reply #629 on: 08 December 2014, 11:51:14 am »
Sorry to hear about your bad luck Deadeye......that is shit.........it pains me to read because i wouldnt have half the patience that you have doing all this.




What's the plan then?............is it time for the car to go despite your efforts?.....get another project maybe something less complicated ie no dismantling diffs etc?......or is it bullet biting time and buying a more confirmed reliable box etc


If i was gonna have a car project it would be something really small and relatively easy tech..........such as a Pug 106 Rallye
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Re: What did you do with whatever else you've got?
« Reply #630 on: 08 December 2014, 12:16:06 pm »
No way, the car is staying! That is unless I blow up the engine when I try to start it... that would be an entirely different story...

However, what it does mean is no LSD for now and I return to my potentially problematic 5th gear and shifting issues. I live in hope that tidying up the clutch and associated mechanisms might have fixed it since the gears don't look too bad on the old box. Unfortunately, this is yet another item that it is out of my experience, so I'm not 100% sure what I'm looking for...

For the future I think the plan is to reinstall the old box and get the car back on the road. If my finances are looking better next year then I'll be moving out of my current place in to something like a 2 bed house with a garage. I'll have much more freedom to then take the box off and fit the LSD by either repairing the new box, or sourcing another one or something along those lines.

It's definitely frustrating and hard work, but I do really enjoy mechanics at the end of the day... it never feels like it, but I guess it must be true if I keep putting myself through all of this. Having a full on work shop would make life much easier. I'm pretty please with my new ratchet spanners - they've made life sooo much easier on a few scenarios already :D

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Re: What did you do with whatever else you've got?
« Reply #631 on: 08 December 2014, 12:32:18 pm »
Took Dad to see Ralph McTell in concert as his Christmas present. My god, but what a performance! Humming all the songs today. Incredible delivery for a 70yr old!
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Re: What did you do with whatever else you've got?
« Reply #632 on: 08 December 2014, 01:09:38 pm »
So... life went bad for the MG over the weekend...

The new gearbox is mostly shot - god damn seller lied about its state...

Here is the damage to the cover surrounding the oil seal for the nearside driveshaft
ZS

After a bit of investigative work on the old box I figured I could just swap over the casings and life would be good. This did not work. I struggled for a bit trying to get the cover off of the old box, eventually resorting to Google where I found that there is a circlip hiding behind a bolt that needs to be released. Did this and off popped the cover with little effort. I proceeded to remove the new box from the car to do the same thing... but no. Not a chance. Fucker won't budge. I've done everything exactly the same as the old box but the cover still only lifts about 20mm and no further.

Stupid circlip...
ZS

Old gearbox
ZS


The real concerns are that there is some not very nice stuff leaking out of the box that happens to include metal filings... a fair few of them... and then, just to add salt to the wound, suddenly I hear tap tap tap tap as a load of ball bearings decide to make a bid for freedom. Looks like the bearing carrier on the offside of the diff has given up on life, which just so happens to be the one I can't even get to without dismantling the entire thing

Then I get a call from the estate agents. They aren't impressed with my vehicular maintenance. So, after all this, I give up. Old box, despite its issues, is going back on. I'll admit that I've made a bodge of this project from start to finish... but you live and learn. I look forward to having a nice 2+ car garage in the future where I have all the space I need, heating, lighting, tools where I can do whatever the foc I want








up against it deadeye  :\ .....been there myself a few times....going back many,many,many years when i was your age i had a mk1 escort with v6 3.0 ltr essex engine...one hell of a car.. :lol ....living with my parents and no garage meant working outside,it had a fierce appertite for rear diffs,gearboxes and head gaskets all fixed outside in all weathers,engine was a tight fit so to remove the gearbox that was engine out time,towards the end of my ownership engine in and outs were done in a day with time to spare  :D .....one car i shouldn`t of sold  :'( ...


time to walk away for a while matey,things will be easier when you go back......is the estate agent going to let you put it back together ?.........as iam a little   :rolleyes [size=78%]older than you,i now have my own garage at the bottom of the garden with light and power,and just about all the tools i need....it makes it a lot easier,no need to tidy up at the end of the day,just close the door untill tomorrow,iam half way through a job on mrs reds car its cold and frosty and wet outside but no problem for me ..........you`ll get there mate [/size] ;) .........pm to self,stop reading noggys long posts  :lol
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Re: What did you do with whatever else you've got?
« Reply #633 on: 08 December 2014, 01:45:44 pm »





Ha ha Red ya swine! :lol




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Re: What did you do with whatever else you've got?
« Reply #634 on: 08 December 2014, 03:16:02 pm »

up against it deadeye  :\ .....been there myself a few times....going back many,many,many years when i was your age i had a mk1 escort with v6 3.0 ltr essex engine...one hell of a car.. :lol ....living with my parents and no garage meant working outside,it had a fierce appertite for rear diffs,gearboxes and head gaskets all fixed outside in all weathers,engine was a tight fit so to remove the gearbox that was engine out time,towards the end of my ownership engine in and outs were done in a day with time to spare  :D .....one car i shouldn`t of sold  :'( ...


time to walk away for a while matey,things will be easier when you go back......is the estate agent going to let you put it back together ?.........as iam a little   :rolleyes [size=78%]older than you,i now have my own garage at the bottom of the garden with light and power,and just about all the tools i need....it makes it a lot easier,no need to tidy up at the end of the day,just close the door untill tomorrow,iam half way through a job on mrs reds car its cold and frosty and wet outside but no problem for me ..........you`ll get there mate [/size] ;) .........pm to self,stop reading noggys long posts  :lol


Yeah, the weather doesn't bother me much as long as it isn't raining... even then it still doesn't stop me, I just complain about it :P

I'm getting a bit faster at dealing with the gearbox, but its still a pain in the ass getting it to line up with the engine every damn time.

As for whether the estate agents will let me put it back together... well I'm not really going to give them a choice in the matter. From what I've gathered speaking to my neighbours, no one cares apart from one grumpy old man in one of the flats who just so happens to be the building manager. Most of my neighbours have actually offered help and the use of any of their tools. If I get caught again and they choose to evict me, then so be it. I told them that there may be one more incident due to having to move the car off the premises - technically a lie, but they woke me up with their phone call so I wasn't processing information at that time. I figure if they say anything then I'll fall back on this.

Hell, the first time I was told that I wasn't allowed to have the car on axle stands - for whatever reason I don't know. Now its been upgraded to no work what-so-ever outside of the garage. Unfortunately, the car is in no position to be moved at this time without further work and the garage won't fit the car - especially with everything else already in there, including two Fazers :P

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Re: What did you do with whatever else you've got?
« Reply #635 on: 08 December 2014, 03:38:04 pm »
One more quick one, I took some up close photos of the gears in the old box, do they look normal to those who know? I'm not sure if the marks on the teeth are supposed to be there or not...

Oh and now I can't get the fucking cover back on either...

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Re: What did you do with whatever else you've got?
« Reply #636 on: 08 December 2014, 03:40:25 pm »





Ha ha Red ya swine! :lol



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 :lol :lol :lol..........too much time on my hands mr nog, bike put away today untill next year, missing it already......anywhos, how long till we hear the patter of little nog ?
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Re: What did you do with whatever else you've got?
« Reply #637 on: 08 December 2014, 03:58:28 pm »





Only about 3 & a half weeks to go :eek :eek :eek




Looking forward to a month off though to help the missus out.......i know it wont be easy.....but anything is better than going to work........famous last words.


& fingers crossed i aint night shift when she goes into labour because the NHS has been stripped bear down here and we've got nigh on an hours drive to the hospital because of that, plus i gotta get relieved at work and then get home first before we start that journey, plus it'll be January so hopefully no snow either.


It'll all pan out. :)


Plus im playing the "oh i need more of a sensible bike now that the baby will be here" card :evil
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Re: What did you do with whatever else you've got?
« Reply #638 on: 08 December 2014, 05:15:57 pm »
No way, the car is staying! That is unless I blow up the engine when I try to start it... that would be an entirely different story...

However, what it does mean is no LSD for now and I return to my potentially problematic 5th gear and shifting issues. I live in hope that tidying up the clutch and associated mechanisms might have fixed it since the gears don't look too bad on the old box. Unfortunately, this is yet another item that it is out of my experience, so I'm not 100% sure what I'm looking for...

For the future I think the plan is to reinstall the old box and get the car back on the road. If my finances are looking better next year then I'll be moving out of my current place in to something like a 2 bed house with a garage. I'll have much more freedom to then take the box off and fit the LSD by either repairing the new box, or sourcing another one or something along those lines.

It's definitely frustrating and hard work, but I do really enjoy mechanics at the end of the day... it never feels like it, but I guess it must be true if I keep putting myself through all of this. Having a full on work shop would make life much easier. I'm pretty please with my new ratchet spanners - they've made life sooo much easier on a few scenarios already :D

What was the problem with the original gearbox?

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Re: What did you do with whatever else you've got?
« Reply #639 on: 08 December 2014, 08:33:17 pm »
Dodgy 5th gear - it didn't like to engage without crunching most of the time unless I matched road speed and revs. I got pretty used to this so it became less of an issue. I also experienced heat soak, or something like that, with the clutch hydraulics which meant that in summer if I did anything under 50 for more than 15 minutes it became very hard to change gear. On very hot days in traffic it almost got to a point of having to pull over and stop because you just couldn't change gear.

There is information that the bracket that holds the slave clutch cylinder isn't up to the job, but also that the clutch release arm may need attention to free it up. The latter I have done whereas the former is something I will look at if I continue to experience issues. The hydraulic system itself is sealed so there isn't much you can do with it other than replace it. You can get a new system that isn't sealed which allows you to bleed the system adjust the pedal height in the car, but this mostly affects the other models, not the ZS 180.

Apologies for the long replies, but there's a lot of research and history that has lead me to my decisions :P The new box also had the LSD on it which would have been a nice upgrade. So, in the future I will be rebuilding a gearbox in some fashion :P

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Re: What did you do with whatever else you've got?
« Reply #640 on: 09 December 2014, 06:12:00 pm »
stripped the golf in an attempt to fix a water leak....left in bits in the garage just to make DEADEYE feel a bit better   ;).......you not the only one matey   :lol
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Re: What did you do with whatever else you've got?
« Reply #641 on: 09 December 2014, 10:04:06 pm »
Dodgy 5th gear - it didn't like to engage without crunching most of the time unless I matched road speed and revs. I got pretty used to this so it became less of an issue. I also experienced heat soak, or something like that, with the clutch hydraulics which meant that in summer if I did anything under 50 for more than 15 minutes it became very hard to change gear. On very hot days in traffic it almost got to a point of having to pull over and stop because you just couldn't change gear.

There is information that the bracket that holds the slave clutch cylinder isn't up to the job, but also that the clutch release arm may need attention to free it up. The latter I have done whereas the former is something I will look at if I continue to experience issues. The hydraulic system itself is sealed so there isn't much you can do with it other than replace it. You can get a new system that isn't sealed which allows you to bleed the system adjust the pedal height in the car, but this mostly affects the other models, not the ZS 180.

Apologies for the long replies, but there's a lot of research and history that has lead me to my decisions :P The new box also had the LSD on it which would have been a nice upgrade. So, in the future I will be rebuilding a gearbox in some fashion :P

Notches on the gears is normal,
Are all the linkages ok, nothing worn or twisted.
It may be sealed, but does it have a bleed nipple on the slave cylinder? It might be concealed
It there a small master cylinder reservoir above the clutch pedal, if so that is most likely where the seal is, probably a bit like the diaphragm in the master cylinder of the Fazers. Pull it up and cut a hole in the bottom of it and this will allow you replace the fluid, bleed it and keep the seal for the cap when you put it back on.

Did you try selecting gears when the box was out?
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Re: What did you do with whatever else you've got?
« Reply #642 on: 09 December 2014, 10:34:09 pm »
The linkages seem fine to me, I'll take a more thorough look in a few days when I take another crack at it.

The system is completely sealed - no bleed nipples anywhere. As far as I am aware, there is something you can do which involves rebuilding the master cylinder with some modified components to allow the system to be bled.

On both boxes I have tried selecting gears with the box off the car and they work ok :) From what I've read recently, the 5th gear synchro may be interfering with the casing going back on... or something like that :\ I found a complete rebuild guide to the PG1 box on the Rover Tech forums so that will come in handy later on

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Re: What did you do with whatever else you've got?
« Reply #643 on: 16 December 2014, 04:12:06 pm »
A ride to Woods Motorcycles, Abergele, then to Rhos on Sea prom for a coffee. 95 miles, mild weather, dry roads on ride back.

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Re: What did you do with whatever else you've got?
« Reply #644 on: 16 December 2014, 04:48:38 pm »
The linkages seem fine to me, I'll take a more thorough look in a few days when I take another crack at it.

The system is completely sealed - no bleed nipples anywhere. As far as I am aware, there is something you can do which involves rebuilding the master cylinder with some modified components to allow the system to be bled.

On both boxes I have tried selecting gears with the box off the car and they work ok :) From what I've read recently, the 5th gear synchro may be interfering with the casing going back on... or something like that :\ I found a complete rebuild guide to the PG1 box on the Rover Tech forums so that will come in handy later on

Run the box with a drill at slow speed and try selecting gears  :) Make sure the box is bolted or strapped to a bench or something. :eek Speaking from experience here  :'(

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Re: What did you do with whatever else you've got?
« Reply #645 on: 17 December 2014, 12:42:59 pm »
Today continued with my usual bad luck... the casing for the one working gearbox I have shattered...

I was tightening the bolts (not excessively, I promise) when suddenly the entire thing just splits in two. I now have no gearbox to go in to the car. Pretty much at the end of my tether so I've given up and purchased a new / refurbished unit from eBay meaning another £220 spent.

You know, I would of thought I'd be entitled to some sort of break given all the shit I've been put through the past few months... pahahaha I make myself laugh

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Re: What did you do with whatever else you've got?
« Reply #646 on: 17 December 2014, 05:09:44 pm »
That was tough luck indeed. Only for bad luck you would have no luck :D
 You might as well dismantle it and see what was wrong with it and maybe become an expert on MG gearboxes ,especially on removing and refitting :)

Would you be able to make one good box out of the two???

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« Reply #647 on: 17 December 2014, 08:07:36 pm »
I think I can make a good one out of the two... but that's a job for another day. During this whole escapade I've been under pressure from the building management.

Turns out that I'm not supposed to work on my car outside of the garage - unfortunately this was in a separate contract that I wasn't made aware of, nor given a copy of when I first moved in and I'd already got the car to a point where it couldn't be moved when they told me.

In any case, its a long ass story which has boiled down to an official written notice that I need to remove the car before the 22nd. It's also pretty damn unlikely they will renew the lease with me... so I'm house hunting for somewhere better at the same time.

I'll be glad when winter is over, so much stress these past few months. I'm not entirely without fault I guess, but the whole situation is so totally fubar it's not even funny...

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« Reply #648 on: 17 December 2014, 08:53:37 pm »


Do you love that car Deadeye, have you gone passed the point of no return?........I mean have you tallied up how much it has cost you on everything except consumables....if that figure is still really cheap then have you considered just getting rid of it and buying a little run around until the stress has passed over and things are more settled and then you can buy another project then when you have a clear mind and the facilities to do things at leisure.

there's lots of disposable cars out there for £500.......young guys and girls these days pass there test and they don't want them...they get brand new cars these days.......but I often see pretty good looking motors for sale for £500 and I think the key with these is not to spend any more on them....£500....rag it til it breaks....scrap....get another runner for £500

I think we've all been there with cars or bikes......I've had so many cars now and a few of them I spent some serious money on to keep them going......then other folk seem to get away with abusing their cars and them never going wrong no matter what they do.
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Re: What did you do with whatever else you've got?
« Reply #649 on: 17 December 2014, 09:21:05 pm »
I still love the car and it really isn't the car that's causing me the stress. I know full well that things may go wrong when doing any sort of work on a vehicle and I accept that. The stress is coming from the pressure of the Management Agency for the building (I'm in a flat with an en-bloc garage).

The costs I've put in to the car are still worth it, despite it costing way more than I had anticipated when I started in September.

Talking of another car though... it's likely I will be buying my friends car from him as well. It's a ridiculously good deal that I can't say no to - its a Mazda RX-8. They have their quirks, but they shouldn't really affect me plus I know its history of the past 2-3 years and what work has been done to it etc etc

Any foccers fancy helping me move house in Feb? :P