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Bikes, Hints'n'Tips => Fazer 1000/FZ1 corner => Topic started by: Carlsv8 on 31 March 2017, 07:26:17 am
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Anyone bought a set of the short adjustable titax'ish levers from China , any good or a waste of £15 ?
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I had a set and they were fine for the money, worked as expected and I had confidence in them not failing. I had them in black and after a while the anodizing had a bit of a purplish tinge but nothing you would notice without looking. I had to take out the bush from one of the leavers and use the one from the OEM lever as it wasn't the right size, but that was no big deal. I stupidly dropped my bike and snapped one of the levers and couldn't wait for another set to arrive from China so I have a set of Titax's now, they do look better but perform the same. If I could have had next day delivery of the Chinese one's I would have gone with them again.
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Got some last year but cant open page on ebay any more. Short folding type.
When they arrived the feral that the bolt goes through was the wrong size, seller sent out another set of feral's again wrong size.
Found out originals fitted so used them and got refund from seller.
They look good and have lasted well so far. I would buy another set
Mine were listed Yamaha YZF R1 R6 FZ1 FAZER R6S £17.48
1st ride out I had not checked bolt on folding hinge, went to brake and my fingers flicked the lever up and out of the way, few seconds of panic as I folded lever back and the braked for roundabout. For that reason I wouldn't get folding as there is no real need on a road bike.
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got 'em on mine no prob..look good and functional too :D
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Have a search of the forums, there's been a few threads all about these cheap levers. :)
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Thanks for the replies Fellas, £15 posted is worth the risk.
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used the Chinese levers on my zrx1200-zzr1100 and my fazer,never an issue with them,just check any allen screws are tight when you get them and pit a little threadlock on them,never an issue with them one bit
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I would reccomend you get the longest of the two varieties of chinese levers that are generally on offer. I can't help feeling that some of the riders who favour short levers are the same people who never practise emergency stops from speed, on a heavy old lump like the Fazer with 15 year old calipers it is so much more difficult using two fingers rather than four.
The brakes on the Gen 1 are good, but nothing like modern stuff where two fingered braking is pretty easy. I'm sure there are people here who do just fine (probably a lot younger than me!) with short levers on a Gen 1 but if you haven't tried a hard stop with the shorty levers i would give it a try just to make sure.
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I would reccomend you get the longest of the two varieties of chinese levers that are generally on offer. I can't help feeling that some of the riders who favour short levers are the same people who never practise emergency stops from speed, on a heavy old lump like the Fazer with 15 year old calipers it is so much more difficult using two fingers rather than four.
The brakes on the Gen 1 are good, but nothing like modern stuff where two fingered braking is pretty easy. I'm sure there are people here who do just fine (probably a lot younger than me!) with short levers on a Gen 1 but if you haven't tried a hard stop with the shorty levers i would give it a try just to make sure.
I've ordered the long set, the oe levers feel natural with their length so have tried to stay as close to original as possible. All down to the Chinese post office now.
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I would reccomend you get the longest of the two varieties of chinese levers that are generally on offer. I can't help feeling that some of the riders who favour short levers are the same people who never practise emergency stops from speed, on a heavy old lump like the Fazer with 15 year old calipers it is so much more difficult using two fingers rather than four.
The brakes on the Gen 1 are good, but nothing like modern stuff where two fingered braking is pretty easy. I'm sure there are people here who do just fine (probably a lot younger than me!) with short levers on a Gen 1 but if you haven't tried a hard stop with the shorty levers i would give it a try just to make sure.
I tried some genuine Titax short levers on my FZ1s, could not get on with them at all, never felt comfortable under hard braking. Sold them on and bought cheap chinese standard length levers , feel a lot better :)
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I would reccomend you get the longest of the two varieties of chinese levers that are generally on offer. I can't help feeling that some of the riders who favour short levers are the same people who never practise emergency stops from speed, on a heavy old lump like the Fazer with 15 year old calipers it is so much more difficult using two fingers rather than four.
The brakes on the Gen 1 are good, but nothing like modern stuff where two fingered braking is pretty easy. I'm sure there are people here who do just fine (probably a lot younger than me!) with short levers on a Gen 1 but if you haven't tried a hard stop with the shorty levers i would give it a try just to make sure.
Interesting
I use two fingers and can stop no problem. Blue spot calipers are still very good, maybe not like radials but very good. As long as your brakes are working as they should you will get the back in the air before you stop.
I also have XL hands and can get 4 fingers on the levers if I wanted
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I didn't realise there was documented evidence that those who use short levers don't practice heavy braking as opposed to those with normal levers which do.
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I didn't realise there was documented evidence that those who use short levers don't practice heavy braking as opposed to those with normal levers which do.
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What documented evidence? I didn't go that far.
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Folding adjustable levers from China on all my bikes. No problems at all, though as others have said take care making sure everything is tightened and functioning properly when fitting. Yes I do feel 4 finger braking is occasionally warranted on the Fazer 1000 when the old brakes don't perform as well as the Brembo radials on the Busa with two fingers but it's no big deal, I have the length adjusted shortish but still easily able to 1,2,3,4 or even 5 finger (I'm from Devon , we also have webbed feet :lol) braking.
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I didn't realise there was documented evidence that those who use short levers don't practice heavy braking as opposed to those with normal levers which do.
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What documented evidence? I didn't go that far.
I was being facetious, sorry you didn't get that.
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For your info, I have shorty levers on my thou and I stop perfectly well thank you, mostly and hopefully not in an emergency but should the need arise then my levers would cope admirally as would I after 35 plus years of riding.
Incedentaly, where did you get that gem of information which suggests people with long levers practice emergency stops more than people with short levers, perhaps if I change back to long levers then I would be a better rider, is that what you're suggesting.
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I am average build but have always found the reach to clutch lever a minor annoyance so last week ordered a pair of alloy adjustable levers from SG Racing via their ebay shop for my 2016 Tracer700. They arrived next day & were easy enough to fit. Rode on Sunday & what a transformation!- I can easily span the clutch lever now which makes gear changes smoother & easier. The front brake wasnt an issue since the standard Yamaha lever is adjustable but I prefer the shape & feel of the new one. I bought them in blue to complement the bikes colour. In fact I was so pleased with them that on Saturday I ordered a pair for the Fazer which came yesterday-fitted in 10 mins-again impressed with quality & feel of these. Cant test ride Fazer yet as my engineering friend is rebushing the gear lever which has worn slightly oval on its shaft introducing some lateral movement which is an inconvenience I dont want to put up with-bike is showing 53000 miles and gearbox/clutch both in good condition.
I went for long levers for both bikes which gives plenty of room for 2,3 or 4 finger braking.
In my experience the blue spots on both 600 & thou are excellent brakes provided they are maintained properly-dont want any nasty 17 year old rubber hoses to detract from braking performance.
I realise I could have ordered ultra cheap ones from China/Hong Kong etc but these were priced midway between the cheap & the very dear ones & delivery was by return of post. Very happy! :lol
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almost the exact same reason for me buying chinese levers Dave - the clutch was just too much of a reach. The chinese ones have been fine for me (long ones), but the anodising is tarnishing a bit as they age. for £20 its no major headache to buy another set if its a serious gripe.
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For your info, I have shorty levers on my thou and I stop perfectly well thank you, mostly and hopefully not in an emergency but should the need arise then my levers would cope admirally as would I after 35 plus years of riding.
Incedentaly, where did you get that gem of information which suggests people with long levers practice emergency stops more than people with short levers, perhaps if I change back to long levers then I would be a better rider, is that what you're suggesting.
No it isn't. I was inferring from the start that it is likely that the first time you find shorty levers don't suit you is when you practice an emergency stop - and i should have gone on to say a stop that takes effort, say from 100mph. I think most would agree that four fingers is best from that sort of speed.
I was only trying to contribute constructive discussion, not invite facicious comment.
Your first reaction to points you disagree with is to take it personally. Please try not to.
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I am average build but have always found the reach to clutch lever a minor annoyance so last week ordered a pair of alloy adjustable levers from SG Racing via their ebay shop for my 2016 Tracer700.......I realise I could have ordered ultra cheap ones from China/Hong Kong etc but these were priced midway between the cheap & the very dear ones & delivery was by return of post. Very happy! :lol
What are the chances that these are made in China to the same standards as the cheap ones you can order direct and that the extra cost is down to a third parties markup and shipping costs?
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For your info, I have shorty levers on my thou and I stop perfectly well thank you, mostly and hopefully not in an emergency but should the need arise then my levers would cope admirally as would I after 35 plus years of riding.
Incedentaly, where did you get that gem of information which suggests people with long levers practice emergency stops more than people with short levers, perhaps if I change back to long levers then I would be a better rider, is that what you're suggesting.
No it isn't. I was inferring from the start that it is likely that the first time you find shorty levers don't suit you is when you practice an emergency stop - and i should have gone on to say a stop that takes effort, say from 100mph. I think most would agree that four fingers is best from that sort of speed.
I was only trying to contribute constructive discussion, not invite facicious comment.
Your first reaction to points you disagree with is to take it personally. Please try not to.
Sorry I found your comment quite funny and in some way your last comment too, how can you say that people will find shorty levers unsuitable when they have to practice emergency stops, you do know that shorty levers are used on race bikes and on track almost all bends are an emergency stop of some degree.
Shorty levers are adjustable for span too so you can either have a long stretch or short stretch to the lever.
When I fitted mine it was instant comfort compared to the standard levers and also with that comfort comes a degree of extra confidence that I can get to the lever quicker, I hate having my hand outstretched to grab a brake or clutch lever.
I take your point that an emergency stop in not the best time to find out that your brake lever is at the bar but to be honest I don't think that would be a lever problem more a spongy brake problem which should've been sorted before the bike went near a road.
My apologies to you if I offended you but to be honest some of your comments are quite humorous, I myself use two finger braking for general riding but 3 fingers for extra pressure when close to shitting myself.
At the end of the day it's what people are comfortable with and with using.
My apologies again, no offence meant.
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For your info, I have shorty levers on my thou and I stop perfectly well thank you, mostly and hopefully not in an emergency but should the need arise then my levers would cope admirally as would I after 35 plus years of riding.
Incedentaly, where did you get that gem of information which suggests people with long levers practice emergency stops more than people with short levers, perhaps if I change back to long levers then I would be a better rider, is that what you're suggesting.
No it isn't. I was inferring from the start that it is likely that the first time you find shorty levers don't suit you is when you practice an emergency stop - and i should have gone on to say a stop that takes effort, say from 100mph. I think most would agree that four fingers is best from that sort of speed.
I was only trying to contribute constructive discussion, not invite facicious comment.
Your first reaction to points you disagree with is to take it personally. Please try not to.
Sorry I found your comment quite funny and in some way your last comment too, how can you say that people will find shorty levers unsuitable when they have to practice emergency stops, you do know that shorty levers are used on race bikes and on track almost all bends are an emergency stop of some degree.
Shorty levers are adjustable for span too so you can either have a long stretch or short stretch to the lever.
When I fitted mine it was instant comfort compared to the standard levers and also with that comfort comes a degree of extra confidence that I can get to the lever quicker, I hate having my hand outstretched to grab a brake or clutch lever.
I take your point that an emergency stop in not the best time to find out that your brake lever is at the bar but to be honest I don't think that would be a lever problem more a spongy brake problem which should've been sorted before the bike went near a road.
My apologies to you if I offended you but to be honest some of your comments are quite humorous, I myself use two finger braking for general riding but 3 fingers for extra pressure when close to shitting myself.
At the end of the day it's what people are comfortable with and with using.
My apologies again, no offence meant.
I did not say a thng about brake levers coming back to the bar, where did you get that from? And if you hate outstretching your hand to use a front brake then i suggest you learn because it's the proper way to stop a motorcycle, no instructor will teach you any other method.
It's a question of leverage that concerned me and the fact that a short lever obviously requires more effort to pull in than a long one especially with less fingers, not all of us have strong enough fingers to use just two, but iits easy with four.
As for use on the track, Ive done a few years of proddy racing and your comment on almost all bends being an emergency stop is patent nonsense, God help other riders if you ever do a trackday.
I'm not offended by your comments and dont want your ironic apology, i'm a bit too thick skinned for that.
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Listen my friend, the fact that you've done track days is of no consequence to me and proves nothing yet you come on here telling people how many fingers they should be using and shorty levers aren't the best levers And blah blah blah.
Enough now.
Do it your way and I'll do it mine, it's kept me alive for 37 years of riding so I must be doing something right,it seems the only thing I've done wrong is to pull you up on a couple of points you made which quite frankly I saw as bullshit.
trust me I won't pull you up anymore because you're a trackday rider and obviously like the sound of your own opinion and frankly I'm not worthy.
Have a nice life and happy racing mr pieman.
Good day to you sir.
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Try reading this mr smartar I mean mr pieman.
Read it and absorb it.
There is a very good article on levers on a site called lifeatlean.com
Your task is to simply read it and keep an open mind, its all there for you and remember,it's all personal choice.
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Listen my friend, the fact that you've done track days is of no consequence to me and proves nothing yet you come on here telling people how many fingers they should be using and shorty levers aren't the best levers And blah blah blah.
Enough now.
Do it your way and I'll do it mine, it's kept me alive for 37 years of riding so I must be doing something right,it seems the only thing I've done wrong is to pull you up on a couple of points you made which quite frankly I saw as bullshit.
trust me I won't pull you up anymore because you're a trackday rider and obviously like the sound of your own opinion and frankly I'm not worthy.
Have a nice life and happy racing mr pieman.
Good day to you sir.
Don't presume to tell me what to do. The one problem here is you making things up, namely stuff about documented evidence which you excused as facitiousness (it was actually sarcasm but never mind), levers coming back to the bar and now ive supposed to have done track days which i never have and now i'm supposed to be telling people how to brake, which again i havn't. All i said was 'I have a feeling' nothing more than that, i certainly didn't say anything that warranted you baiting me over things i never even said.
One thing you were right on is that you are not worthy, you talk rubbish.
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You mentioned you did proddy racing, proddy racing is still on the race track or are you just splitting hairs with me.
Did you read the article, if you did then that should make things clearer for you.
Thank you.
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Interesting
I use two fingers and can stop no problem. Blue spot calipers are still very good, maybe not like radials but very good. As long as your brakes are working as they should you will get the back in the air before you stop.
I also have XL hands and can get 4 fingers on the levers if I wanted
Please stop this berating
Even though I questioned the comment it is no reason to start a war of words. The comments may be right?
We all have our opinions, right wrong good or bad without them this site would not be interesting.
We all learn from others posts and build an opinion into what is right and wrong.
Believe me I have had it and decided not to prove the person wrong but just to let it go.
Yes it was hard but I knew it would result in the likes of these comments which serve no purpose in helping each other overcome any problems we may have.
Please be good guys we all need you
P.S I cant promise to be a saint in the future lol
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Anyone got a link to the Chinese ones, please?
Ta :)
The only two fingers I use when braking is to the plonker who made me have to in the first place! :rollin
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Anyone got a link to the Chinese ones, please?
Ta :)
The only two fingers I use when braking is to the plonker who made me have to in the first place! :rollin
Cant find the same ones I have, but I wouldn't go folding again.
These are the same without fold and finger ribs
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CNC-Short-Brake-Clutch-Levers-for-Yamaha-FZS1000-2001-2002-2003-2004-2005-/321506315908?hash=item4adb450e84:g:9-MAAOSwEK9UAWFD (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CNC-Short-Brake-Clutch-Levers-for-Yamaha-FZS1000-2001-2002-2003-2004-2005-/321506315908?hash=item4adb450e84:g:9-MAAOSwEK9UAWFD)
Mine came from this guy
http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/Brake-Levers/178003/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_ipg=&_from=&_ssn=dormousesleep (http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/Brake-Levers/178003/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_ipg=&_from=&_ssn=dormousesleep)
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The ones I've bought are from a seller called My_sky 007, I'll put an update on when I get them.
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Thanks
Edit: Ordered these:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/291405813420 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/291405813420)
but will get these if I don't like the chinese ones:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/p/motorbike-black-lever-set-yamaha-yzf-r1-1999-04-lby23/1952439399?_trksid=p2047675.l2644 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/p/motorbike-black-lever-set-yamaha-yzf-r1-1999-04-lby23/1952439399?_trksid=p2047675.l2644)
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Just check ya nuts mate :-)
Thanks
Edit: Ordered these:
[url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/291405813420[/url] ([url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/291405813420[/url])
but will get these if I don't like the chinese ones:
[url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/p/motorbike-black-lever-set-yamaha-yzf-r1-1999-04-lby23/1952439399?_trksid=p2047675.l2644[/url] ([url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/p/motorbike-black-lever-set-yamaha-yzf-r1-1999-04-lby23/1952439399?_trksid=p2047675.l2644[/url])
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Just check ya nuts mate :-)
That's just good advice all round haha
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Just check ya nuts mate :-)
Yeah, I'll do that :thumbup
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Update for info - they arrived today (so only two weeks from order to delivery) and I like the look of 'em - black with red bits.
I'll post some pics when they're fitted, along with my opinion of them.
My clutch has been very stiff since I got the bike, despite new cable (and oil, of course), so I'm hoping these will make my hands ache less in traffic.
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You mentioned you did proddy racing, proddy racing is still on the race track or are you just splitting hairs with me.
Did you read the article, if you did then that should make things clearer for you.
Thank you.
No. You are presuming that I dont know better. In fact I do know better, having done 2 days with the Keith Code school in Australia a couple of years ago. They taught me all I need to know about braking, leverage, feathering brakes and control under full on brake force. I don't need to read 'articles'.
I hope you are not comparing proddy racing with track days. World of difference mate, not splitting hairs.
I'm not replying to this thread again. You admitted to being facicious (rude) from your very first post. That has been the problem here. Be civil.
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For fuck sake pal let it fucking go, your too long asleep mate.
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I thought they looked nice :)
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For fuck sake pal let it fucking go, your too long asleep mate.
Yep, leaving the forum solves that, the US one is where i post more often anyway. Cheers.
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Facetious doesn't mean rude.
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Nothing classier than gold shorties....on a gixxer....surely no one fits em to a fazer!
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Facetious doesn't mean rude.
Granted, if one was being subjective, but it does mean inappropriate. I would have stuck with rude if I was you.
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Fitted them this morning - took a few minutes and was very simple. Only needed the bushing swap on the clutch side.
I'm not riding it just yet, as the battery is on charge in the house, and it's starting to piddle down outside.
The action feels good - hopeful that they will be an improvement. They certainly look a lot better than the ones that were on it - not sure if they were originals or not. Yeah, I know it needs a clean! :o
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Hullooo chaps! (and chapesses :) )
I got the bike out for a test ride and some maintenance today (see woeful story of broken ExUp pulley) so I took a few shots in daylight:
From t' seat:
(https://s25.postimg.org/p4onzc9z3/levers-rear.jpg)
from t' front:
(https://s25.postimg.org/pg64c3qf3/levers-front.jpg)
From t' clutch side:
(https://s25.postimg.org/syi48hrb3/lever-clutch.jpg)
From t' brake side:
(https://s25.postimg.org/9fdiz4sjj/lever-brake.jpg)
Widest brake lever setting (there are 6):
(https://s25.postimg.org/jmw2bjerj/brake-span-6.jpg)
Widest setting, fully applied:
(https://s25.postimg.org/ngpikow3j/brake_span_full_6.jpg)
Smallest setting (1), fully applied:
(https://s25.postimg.org/dkofl1qbj/brakes_span_full_1.jpg)
Not much point showing the clutch lever settings - I found that as it was, on setting 1 and 2, put into gear = bike takes off! 3 is dragging. 4, 5 and 6 were okay - but further reach. So the clutch needed a bit of adjusting and testing. I'm happy with it now, even though I still can't use settings 1 and 2.
I do like these, they feel good - the brake is far better than the one I took off - which I found was actually broken at the fitting hole.
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Pictures (David Bailey doesn't needs worry) of my Chinese levers. They feel great but the adjusters are on maximum already. They feel a little bit 'loose' but I haven't got any expensive ones to compare them with. All in all well worth the money.