So who would you ban from using the NHS?

[noggythenog]

Scottish people,not permanently , just for a while to see how much can be saved.

 


No skin off our nose


We'll create our own health centres,every illness & disability catered for under one roof


We shall call them..........bargain booze!!!

[Raymy]

And it will sell only buckfast

[noggythenog]

And it will sell only buckfast

Yep, what'll it be, well ive got a bit o arthiritis, okey dokey you need some more tonic, come back for a check up after youv bashed yur mates head in with the bottle!!!



Strugglin to find the bucky down in wales now, all the  bargain booze closed in my area.


I can remember buying a box of it via Tesco online a while back but it was a dodgy move.

[mtread]

That is patch up and stabilize

Oh, you mean full NHS treatment then 

[Dave48]

The NHS came into being the same year I was born & I ,like many others have reason to be very grateful for its existence.
Now call me an old fart if you like but in my early years we were taught self-reliance, didnt sit around eating American size portions of junk food,walked to school,cycled,played sport & games-in other words used exercise to develop our bodies & sense of self-worth.
My sons were born in the late 70s/early 80s & I encouraged them along similar lines-one is now super-fit & the other has cycled all his life with no desire to drive a cage. They ,in turn, are encouraging their children to do the things that will give them good health in the years to come.
Somewhere along the line things have gone horribly wrong and "they" put dire programs on TV about, for example, super-obese people who cant leave their bedrooms or fit in normal size ambulances but continue to be fed supersize portions by their carers. Why are so many people unwilling to take responsibility for themselves? Why do they expect to abuse their bodies to the extent that they require enormous amounts of NHS time & resources?
Now as I & my generation approach old age we are being told WE are a drain on funds-remember we are the generation that held jobs,paid taxes & NI & generally contributed to the exchequer in taxed spending.
The nation will have to decide what its priorities are but unless you are willing to invest in education(of a relevant type) we shall continue to become dumbed down Britain. Ive read some topics/threads on this forum about some interesting subjects but I despair of  this country & the people who try to run it! Perhaps we should realise  that its time to get people to be self-reliant & chuck out all this nonsense about expecting the state(you & me) to pick up the tab for feckless & irresponsible behaviour? Don't get me started on foreign aid, poking our nose into Uncle Sams "little" wars around the globe. Lets start putting our own house in order first

[richfzs]

You speak sense, Mr dave48. I was born 1970, and think pretty much the same way as you, as do most of my friends (who are mostly older than me). I think (and fear) though, that it's people born in the 5 years or so after me, where the rot set in. There are obviously exceptions to that, I can think of 1 or 2 of the young uns on here who have their head screwed on, and you've obviously done a good job with your kids

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[red98]

The NHS came into being the same year I was born & I ,like many others have reason to be very grateful for its existence.
Now call me an old fart if you like but in my early years we were taught self-reliance, didnt sit around eating American size portions of junk food,walked to school,cycled,played sport & games-in other words used exercise to develop our bodies & sense of self-worth.
My sons were born in the late 70s/early 80s & I encouraged them along similar lines-one is now super-fit & the other has cycled all his life with no desire to drive a cage. They ,in turn, are encouraging their children to do the things that will give them good health in the years to come.
Somewhere along the line things have gone horribly wrong and "they" put dire programs on TV about, for example, super-obese people who cant leave their bedrooms or fit in normal size ambulances but continue to be fed supersize portions by their carers. Why are so many people unwilling to take responsibility for themselves? Why do they expect to abuse their bodies to the extent that they require enormous amounts of NHS time & resources?
Now as I & my generation approach old age we are being told WE are a drain on funds-remember we are the generation that held jobs,paid taxes & NI & generally contributed to the exchequer in taxed spending.
The nation will have to decide what its priorities are but unless you are willing to invest in education(of a relevant type) we shall continue to become dumbed down Britain. Ive read some topics/threads on this forum about some interesting subjects but I despair of  this country & the people who try to run it! Perhaps we should realise  that its time to get people to be self-reliant & chuck out all this nonsense about expecting the state(you & me) to pick up the tab for feckless & irresponsible behaviour? Don't get me started on foreign aid, poking our nose into Uncle Sams "little" wars around the globe. Lets start putting our own house in order first

 
 
 
well said dave.....it does worry me what the future holds for my kids and grand kids....yes i am really that old 

[DILLIGAFF]

Well if we made health insurance compulsory for foreign tourists we could soon rack up some nice fat claims and show a profit.


EG.. friend of mine holidays in Canada every year. Last year he fainted one morning, most probably due to a kingsize hangover.
When he came to he was in hospital with a shiny new pacemaker fitted???????????????


Never had any heart problems before or since but his insurance provider is probably around $30,000 poorer.


Meanwhile back in the UK, I have to go in for a colonoscopy on Friday. Preparation for this involves the dreaded PICOLAX purgative.
Last time they sent me two sachets in the post.
Now, due to cutbacks, I have to go to a chemist and buy these from my own pocket.
At present, if I was a tourist they would doubtless be provided free of charge.


Seems to me the NHS is clawing back pennies from people who have paid in all their lives and throwing literally hundreds of thousands at people who have not.

[Streetbudgie]

That is patch up and stabilize

Oh, you mean full NHS treatment then 

No I mean patch up and stabilize, no treatment beyond that, for example, you hire a scooter on holiday and fall off wearing flip flops and shorts.

You are treated in hospital for abrasions and a broken wrist, once set and bandaged you are sent on your way to follow this up with your GP who will refer you to your local hospital outside the UK where they will carry on your treatment, with what appropriate drugs, physio etc you need.

Quite simple really, works the same for UK citizens abroad from the UK if you do not have travel insurance, except you would as everyone has it, apart from those who visit the UK looking for a freebie.

[BBROWN1664]

Wish that were true, sadly tax from fags and booze does not find its way into the NHS exclusively.

True but if it were not for the tax they pay, the NHS would have less money or everyone else would have to pay more tax.

[dBfazer600]

Meanwhile back in the UK, I have to go in for a colonoscopy on Friday. Preparation for this involves the dreaded PICOLAX purgative.
Last time they sent me two sachets in the post.
Now, due to cutbacks, I have to go to a chemist and buy these from my own pocket.
At present, if I was a tourist they would doubtless be provided free of charge.


Seems to me the NHS is clawing back pennies from people who have paid in all their lives and throwing literally hundreds of thousands at people who have not.

Mate this is the way forward as I would rather wipe my ass ring with chillies than go through that again. Hope all is ok
 

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Daz

[Tmation]

Sports men and women, they injure themselves all the time, stop that nonsense. Horse riders, cyclists in Lycra, wear proper protective gear for foc sake, the list is endless.


In fact the NHS should only that people who never get sick or injure themselves, that would save loads.


The whole point of the NHS is that treatment is free at the point of contact and long should it remain so.


I have an EHIC card for travelling in Europe (free first aid and patch up) then travel insurance to cover the rest.

[tomby1]

Motorcyclists.

[goldfazer]

'Sports men and women, they injure themselves all the time, stop that nonsense. '

Absolutely. make 'em sit in front of telly all day getting fat, getting diabetes and dodgy tickers

[VNA - BMW Wank]

Scottish people,not permanently , just for a while to see how much can be saved.

Well the NHS in Scotland is a devolved matter.  In England it's currently being privatised bit by bit, but in Scotland the bulk of it is still firmly in public hands.   So England could in the long run find the NHS has all but disappeared.  I guess we can probably expand our NHS to incorporate pay up front services for English folks, it's gonna be chaeper and better than the private crap your gonna end up with doon sooth and a nice wee earner for us up here!

But this thread is just another example of where the Tory Party would like to push you all.  It's all about envy, oooo look what they are getting, why does so and so get that for nothing and I've gotta pay for it.   Why should public service workers get a good pension when it's my tax that pays for it and I've gotta find my own scheme, and so forth.

It's magic, cos while our millionaire Eton educated in orbit around the moon cabinet get us all fighting each other over a few quid, them and their buddies, the bankers, the fatcats, the shareholders are all screwing you and running off with billions of your cash, and they ain't even paying any foccing tax on it.

This is just more Tory bait and plenty of you are dumb enougth to bite on it.

[demic77]

1. Pissed up (and sober for that matter) idiots who choose to kick off on A&E/Ambulance staff. 3 strikes and you're out.2. Those who earn shitloads and can afford to pay, don't ban 'em but make 'em contribute to the cost of treatment.
3. Health care "tourists" who come over specifically for free treatment.

[Tori]

I'm classed as obese, I've paid tax since I was 15, so I'm not entitled? Being self employed I've probably paid more tax than alot my age.

People who are housebound (seriously obese) are mostly relying on feeders surely? Those are the people that should pay for their treatment

[bri h]

I spent three years working as a health care assistant on the intensive care ward of broadmoor hospital. thats right folks its a hospital paid for and run /staffed by your nhs. I wont bore you with the details but people diagnosed with a personality disorder cannot be treated with drugs. It goes without saying that many of the most violent murders rapists and child molesters are kept there at great expense. would this be a good time to open a new thread on bringing back the death penalty for those can never be let out because there is no treatment for their conditions or to qoute billy conolly are they more to be pitied than scolded?

[Razgruff]

Why wait for a death penalty?
Why not just start up a new eugenics program,
they were going quite well here and the states until that silly Mr Hitler guy went and started all that bad publicity for them.
I mean we have a better knowledge of genetics now than we did then, we could prevent a lot of expense with early intervention.

I know a few on here would like the Chavs and Gipsies thinned out a bit.


 

[bri h]

ha ha theres a few "service users " in there that would have got on very well with adolf.

[bri h]

Of course theres the "nature or nurture" debate. A lot of them have been horrifically abused themselves so are they born bad or has their abuser turned them into monsters .

[goldfazer]

' Those who earn shitloads and can afford to pay, don't ban 'em but make 'em contribute to the cost of treatment

They already have - by paying 'shitloads' of tax + NI.  Had a similar coversation with a friend regarding paying for an MRI scan in an NHS hospital and he pointed out that one year he paid £700k in tax (yes, he's done better than me since school ) !!

[Streetbudgie]

' Those who earn shitloads and can afford to pay, don't ban 'em but make 'em contribute to the cost of treatment

They already have - by paying 'shitloads' of tax + NI.  Had a similar coversation with a friend regarding paying for an MRI scan in an NHS hospital and he pointed out that one year he paid £700k in tax (yes, he's done better than me since school ) !!

Seconded, the NHS was meant to be free at point of delivery, we all pay varying amounts according to our ability to pay but we do all pay.

Except for freeloading visitors who shouldn't be allowed beyond patch up and send home.

[Streetbudgie]

Of course theres the "nature or nurture" debate. A lot of them have been horrifically abused themselves so are they born bad or has their abuser turned them into monsters .

Then throw religion in and it gets really confusing, old testament believers spout 'an eye for an eye' and new testament believers spout 'forgiveness for all'

Personally I'm not religious and I believe the punishment should fit the crime.

[Razgruff]

I think BH's point was
Can you punish somebody that is unaware they have committed a crime,

You have to understand the court proceedings to be able to be tried in court, if not. you just get some sort of sectioning.

I'm sure a legal bod will be along and explain it better.