looks like it was the bikers fault the cyclists were near to the verge, unlike the pack of a dozen or so that were 2 and 3 abreast on the road from Cawood to Ryther last week, however I managed to get past on a tight left hander without hitting any of them, it must of been my lucky day....................... and theirs................lol.
looks like an inexperienced biker ,he travels from centre of road to the edge to get the cyclists. Road position totally wrong to see through the bend and he seems not to have the confidence to hit a greater lean angle and hit the throttle to duck round them.
300 hours community service and a five year ban for killing his second cyclist;http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-22397918
Quote from: VNA on 03 May 2013, 06:51:14 pm300 hours community service and a five year ban for killing his second cyclist;http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-22397918And the Sheriff effectively blamed the *cyclist* by saying that not wearing a helmet "contributed to her death"!No, some prick who should never have been let back in charge of a vehicle contributed to her death and a slap on the wrist Community Sentence and a 5 year ban is a foccing mockery of justice!He should be facing a 5 year jail term and a life ban on driving!
I passed my test in September 2011 - and I have to admit that I wasn't given a full understanding of how to steer a motorcycle. If it wasn't for my sheer curiosity in to how anything and everything works I probably still wouldn't know.
I passed my test in September 2011 - and I have to admit that I wasn't given a full understanding of how to steer a motorcycle. If it wasn't for my sheer curiosity in to how anything and everything works I probably still wouldn't know. I began to understand it much better after going through Twist of the Wrist II around last July / August
Quote from: Dead Eye on 03 May 2013, 08:55:36 pmI passed my test in September 2011 - and I have to admit that I wasn't given a full understanding of how to steer a motorcycle. If it wasn't for my sheer curiosity in to how anything and everything works I probably still wouldn't know. That's very true. As mentioned elsewhere, even when you *know* about countersteering and the fact that the bike can turn better than you think, actually being able to *do* it in a crisis situation is another matter entirely
I find counter-steering really interesting (go figure) and the way that TotW showed it helped me to understand the forces at play and the physics behind it - all very interesting stuff I've been putting it all in to practice and do fairly well for myself - I've been lucky in that I've never had any serious issues in controlling my machine. Hell, I've only gone down once and I was practically stationary and just lost my balance - freezing cold feet / legs + loose grit + a bit of bad balance had me on the floor looking like a pillock
I think that Counter steering gets explained wrong which confuses people, this pushing bars thing is wrong, the bars are somewhere to rest you hands,and stop them flapping about in the wind I always understood countersteering as something you did in a car, when you flick the steering wheel the wrong way to kick the arse out to start what they call drifting now. To me what they call countersteering on bikes these days, is counter weighing, steering the bike with your waist and hips, the bars aren't pushed left or right. One goes down giving the impression of being pushed because your elbow straightens and the other comes up giving the impression of being pulled because that elbow bends more.I've followed a couple of people recently, I don't know if they are new bikers or fairweathers that haven't been out for a while, but you can see the stiffness in there bodies. That tight neck raised shoulders. rod like back no flexablity in the body. if that did a bit of Weaving like GP racers do to warm their tyres up it would help them to loosen up the body and and get the feel for the bikes abilities again.
To me what they call countersteering on bikes these days, is counter weighing, steering the bike with your waist and hips, the bars aren't pushed left or right
Quote from: Razgruff on 03 May 2013, 10:49:48 pmTo me what they call countersteering on bikes these days, is counter weighing, steering the bike with your waist and hips, the bars aren't pushed left or rightPresuming you aren't just trolling, next time you're out, find a long straight bit of road (motorway, dual carriageway etc) where there isn't much traffic about and with as little as possible pressure from your hands on the bars, try the following:1) Try steering the bike with your waist and hips. 2) Gently push on the right bar and see which way the bike goes, then try with the left. See what happens.
Quote from: Razgruff on 03 May 2013, 10:49:48 pmI think that Counter steering gets explained wrong which confuses people, this pushing bars thing is wrong, the bars are somewhere to rest you hands,and stop them flapping about in the wind I always understood countersteering as something you did in a car, when you flick the steering wheel the wrong way to kick the arse out to start what they call drifting now. To me what they call countersteering on bikes these days, is counter weighing, steering the bike with your waist and hips, the bars aren't pushed left or right. One goes down giving the impression of being pushed because your elbow straightens and the other comes up giving the impression of being pulled because that elbow bends more.I've followed a couple of people recently, I don't know if they are new bikers or fairweathers that haven't been out for a while, but you can see the stiffness in there bodies. That tight neck raised shoulders. rod like back no flexablity in the body. if that did a bit of Weaving like GP racers do to warm their tyres up it would help them to loosen up the body and and get the feel for the bikes abilities again.One last thing that i've finally relented to which i think is related to counter steer is leaning over the tank.I always thought it was another one of those Moto GP copycat moves & wasnt particularly bothered about wind blast unless doing high speed straight lining so i chose not to do it, certainly not for cornering.Much to my surprise then on my last run when i tried it.The difference was quite dramatic & i was straight on the phone to my old man to discuss why it made such a difference.So what we hypothesised in the end was that it was maybe to do with lowering the weight & centre of gravity bla bla bla which i didnt totally think was responsible but then it clicked...whilst hunkered over i was more in line with the bars instead of being above them.This meant that when i counter steered round a corner all of the effort was going out forwards on the bars.When i am upright most of the weight is transferred downwards with the remainder going forwards.In a nutshell, leaning over the tank made it easier to counter steer with the bars, i wasnt moving my body around all that much.My arms were also more bent & it was easier to keep a loose grip whilst counter steering.
People will instinctively move their bodies & twist their hips & to some extent this will assist with cornering but the majority of the work is done with the Bars & moving the body actually only improves the push on the bars.
Presuming you aren't just trolling, next time you're out, find a long straight bit of road (motorway, dual carriageway etc) where there isn't much traffic about and with as little as possible pressure from your hands on the bars, try the following:1) Try steering the bike with your waist and hips.2) Gently push on the right bar and see which way the bike goes, then try with the left.See what happens.
QuotePresuming you aren't just trolling, next time you're out, find a long straight bit of road (motorway, dual carriageway etc) where there isn't much traffic about and with as little as possible pressure from your hands on the bars, try the following:1) Try steering the bike with your waist and hips.2) Gently push on the right bar and see which way the bike goes, then try with the left.See what happens. At what speeds ? and do I shift my weight or do I read this literally and just push the bars without shifting weight ?
I did mine over 25 years ago, but remember when you had to salon thought the cones this is where riders should be picking the the idea and feel for countersteering