BREXIT

[VNA - BMW Wank]

By your side on this one fella - you can VNA to the same group as Mtread - respect other views ffs!

But you are a patronising prick mtread

[Grahamm]

Now try showing us one weighted by population (you know, the *number* of people who voted) instead of area, because, surprisingly, large sections of empty space don't actually vote... 

Sorted ...

Err, no, that just shows areas, not the number of people.

Whilst you're looking for that, here's some interesting figures on the number of votes for you...

The Brexit Party - 5,248,533
UKIP -                      554,463

Total - 5,802,996


Lib Dems -  3,367,284
Greens    -  2,023,380
SNP -             594,553
Plaid Cymru - 163,928
Change UK  - 571,846

Total - 6,720,991


Oh and PS, the number of people who signed the petition Revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU - 6,085,326

[mtread]

I respect everybody's views. I just don't happen to agree with them. And I can do that without actually calling them pricks
Carlisle - I smell no biscuits either. Mind you in a Premier Inn all I can smell is harpic


So, the country is split (more or less) in half between hard Brexit and hard Remain. How do we get out of this mess?

[VNA - BMW Wank]

So, the country is split (more or less) in half between hard Brexit and hard Remain. How do we get out of this mess?

I’m gonna disagree with you, but please don’t call me a prick.


The United Kingdom is a Union.  It is the Union of the United Kingdom and Northern Ireland.  There are four countries in this Union.  Two, England and Wales, appear to perhaps (maybe no longer) have a majority of people who want to leave the EU.  Two countries, Scotland and Northern Ireland, clearly do not wish to leave the EU.


If you want to protect this Union, which many clearly feel is their country, then it is clear – cancel article 50.
   

[VNA - BMW Wank]

 

Oh and PS, the number of people who signed the petition Revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU - 6,085,326

Now 6,085,331


So the biggest petition in the history of the UK
The response from the government;

This Government will not revoke Article 50. We will honour the result of the 2016 referendum and work with Parliament to deliver a deal that ensures we leave the European Union.

In other words - fuck off!


Seems to be working well for them.

 

[mtread]

But...... in the international standard ISO list of 'countries' Northern Ireland is described as a 'province' not a 'country'. Probably so as not to upset Eire.
There I go, being a 'patronising prick' yet again


On the other hand, yes Revoke Article 50, and think about leaving the EU in another 40 years time. You know it makes sense 

[VNA - BMW Wank]

But...... in the international standard ISO list of 'countries' Northern Ireland is described as a 'province' not a 'country'. Probably so as not to upset Eire.
There I go, being a 'patronising prick' yet again

Pompous twat?

[john roche]

On the other hand, yes Revoke Article 50, and think about leaving the EU in another 40 years time. You know it makes sense 

Good plan, I'll be long dead by then.   


cheers


John

[YamFazFan]

Err, no, that just shows areas, not the number of people.

Yes I was aware of that Grahamm . I just liked the look of it and knew that you wouldn't .

[YamFazFan]

Carlisle - I smell no biscuits either.

Bank holiday Monday .

Walking around the castle last year it was all you could smell. Lovely. really whets the appetite for lunch . Apparently the locals can identify what type of biscuit the McVities factory is producing each day just from the odour wafting across the town

[Dynspud]

Same thing here in Cwmbran YamFazFan, with the Burton's Biscuits Factory.
Jammy Dodger production day smells the best 

[mtread]

Biscuit Means Biscuit!

[YamFazFan]

Biscuit Means Biscuit!

[YamFazFan]

Oh and PS, the number of people who signed the petition Revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU - 6,085,326

'The number of people who signed the petition'...that's a bold claim claim given the findings of exactly who, or rather what, has 'voted', and how many times, in previous online petitions .
I'll stick to the only count that truly matters thanks Grahamm. The election system where only real, registered and eligible voters participate .

[YamFazFan]

Both sides of the Leave/Remain argument can dance on the head of a pin all day counting up and adding on other parties and bits and pieces here, there, and everywhere in order to bolster their total count, but at the end of the day the undeniable fact is that in an In/Out referendum situation the electorate is split more or less 50/50 either way just as it was in 2016 when Leave won by a narrow margin.

Anybody who tries to claim that either side has got a significant lead over the other or that 'The country has changed it's mind' is ...well I refer to the new thread title

[mtread]

Agree completely. That's why it's still a mess. The trouble with referendums is that unless the majority is a big one, the 'problem' continues. The Proportional Representation referendum in 2011 was 32% Yes and 68% No, and we all stopped arguing about that straight away.

[VNA - BMW Wank]

 

The trouble with referendums is that unless the majority is a big one, the 'problem' continues.

The other fact is that this was a referendum offered to the people in order to try and resolve matters internal to the Tory party. 



It was slipped into a manifesto safe in the knowledge that it would not actually have to be put to the people, and on the basis, well if it did actually have to be offered - nobody in reality would be daft enough to vote to leave the EU. 



David Cameron made perhaps the biggest blunder in UK political history.


Meanwhile we are still stuck.  The current parliament will not allow a NO DEAL BREXIT.  The Good Friday Agreement, in which peace in Northern Ireland and across the UK depends, requires at least a full customs union to be in place.  That is a legal and moral commitment.


Two out of four countries in our union voted to REMAIN in the EU.


And never mind that our economy and manufacturing jobs depend on EU membership.


We really have no choice.  We need to move on.  It is time to cancel article 50.
 

[YamFazFan]

We really have no choice.  We need to move on.  It is time to cancel article 50.

You know full well that's not going to happen. There wouldn't be a Parliamentary majority for it. Nowhere near.


A second referendum would be more likely.

[vinnyb]

Now try showing us one weighted by population (you know, the *number* of people who voted) instead of area, because, surprisingly, large sections of empty space don't actually vote... 

Sorted ...

Err, no, that just shows areas, not the number of people.

Whilst you're looking for that, here's some interesting figures on the number of votes for you...

The Brexit Party - 5,248,533
UKIP -                      554,463

Total - 5,802,996


Lib Dems -  3,367,284
Greens    -  2,023,380
SNP -             594,553
Plaid Cymru - 163,928
Change UK  - 571,846

Total - 6,720,991


Oh and PS, the number of people who signed the petition Revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU - 6,085,326

  Minus the Green vote, which could be as much down to David Attenborough and the fact that the environmental crisis is never out of the news at the moment, as it is Brexit and it's 4,697,611 against 5,802,996.
 All anyone can do is speculate on the reasons people voted the way they did, and even then that's only the third who could be arsed to vote at all.

[mtread]

Two out of four countries in our union voted to REMAIN in the EU.

One country and one province 

David Cameron made perhaps the biggest blunder in UK political history.

I think May comes a close second. If, straight after the referendum, she had ignored her hard Brexit ERG and approached Labour to agree to go to the EU for a soft Brexit, (rightly or wrongly) we'd be out by now. The parliamentary majority would be there, despite the hard Brexiteers or Remainers. But of course her pride /obstinacy /self interest meant she wouldn't. Her tactics were stupid. That's how history will judge her.

[VNA - BMW Wank]

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ou know full well that's not going to happen. There wouldn't be a Parliamentary majority for it. Nowhere near.

The likely hood is Labour will now become a REMAIN party.  Even the minority who are genuinely for BREXIT within the Labour party will accept the REMAIN position as few, or none, of that minority want to see a disastrous NO DEAL BREXIT.


The likely hood is that we will probably get a hard or NO DEAL BREXIT PM.


There are some decent Tories who are prepared to put country before party.  They will vote down NO DEAL, and if they feel the Union is at risk they will vote down article 50.


It may not happen, but the stakes are higher and more desperate than ever now, so there is a real possibility that article 50 will be cancelled.


And do not forget that the outcome of the EU elections is Labour becoming a REMAIN party.


Thanks Nige
 

[mtread]

  Minus the Green vote, which could be as much down to David Attenborough and the fact that the environmental crisis is never out of the news at the moment, as it is Brexit and it's 4,697,611 against 5,802,996.

Are you making this up  The Green Party have been absolutely clear they are a Remain Party since the beginning.
A lot of us Remainers voted tactically between Lib Dems and Green to maximise the number of MEPs for the two parties.

[VNA - BMW Wank]

 

One country and one province 

 
Stop it you pompous twat.

I think May comes a close second. If, straight after the referendum, she had ignored her hard Brexit ERG and approached Labour to agree to go to the EU for a soft Brexit, (rightly or wrongly) we'd be out by now. The parliamentary majority would be there, despite the hard Brexiteers or Remainers. But of course her pride /obstinacy /self interest meant she wouldn't. Her tactics were stupid. That's how history will judge her.

Totally agree.  She is totally unsuited to leadership.  You cannot act as dictator within a minority administration.
 

[VNA - BMW Wank]

Are you making this up  The Green Party have been absolutely clear they are a Remain Party since the beginning.

 Indeed.  You would not vote Green if you fundamentally opposed the EU.  The Green Party is a pro EU party – no question.
 

[VNA - BMW Wank]